tag:old.nabble.com,2006:forum-6704Nabble - kde-general2009-12-03T02:24:55ZGeneral KDE discussiontag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26623785Re: Okular preferred linux PDF reader2009-12-03T02:24:55Z2009-12-03T02:24:55ZAnne Wilson-5On Wednesday 02 December 2009 23:08:43 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
<br>> I don't think Acrobat Reader has to be afraid of anything considering
<br>> Okular's font rendering that looks like <censored>. Seriously, my eyes
<br>> start to hurt after a while reading anything in Okular.
<br>>
<br>This doesn't appear to be the general experience, so it would help if you
<br>could try to find the reason for it. Do you have font rendering problems in
<br>any other area? Do all documents viewed in Okular have font rendering
<br>problems? If not, what to the affected documents have in common?
<br><br>Anne
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> > Except for printing and magnification!
<br>> > In features, with acroread, it is possible to print first the even
<br>> > numbered pages in reverse order then, after placing the printed sheets
<br>> > text side down in the input tray, the odd number pages in true order.
<br>> > Duplex printing from a simplex printer.
<br>> > Can anyone find how to do this with Okular?
<br>> > Other print capabilities from acroread are scaling to paper size and
<br>> > printing two copies of a single page side-by-side on one sheet (ideal for
<br>> > fliers). When acroread is zoomed in the text scales perfectly, with
<br>> > okular it and the picographic parts become very pixellated.
<br>>
<br>> Please comment on these bugs:
<br>> <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60037" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60037</a><br>> <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171925" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171925</a><br>> <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196303" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196303</a></div><br>Yes these fairly encapsulate the problem. My work-around is to use acroread
<br>which does have its own print dialogue.
<br><br>>
<br>> > On the plus side, Okular starts much faster and is perfectly adequate for
<br>> > reading documents designed to be viewed at normal magnification.
<br>>
<br>> What problems do you have with magnification?
<br>I think that I malign okular. The problem is that I use pdf maps and diagrams
<br>that show massive detail and would view normally on A0 paper. I found that
<br>attempting to magnify up with okular often left me with a white window so I
<br>used the window magnify facility, hence the pixellation. On further inspection
<br>I find that okular has a limited magnification range and if one requests
<br>greater magnification, then it just wipes the window! If one asks for anything
<br>up to 300% it will eventually display the magnified image, it just takes some
<br>time. Acroread takes some time to start but the time to re-render at greater
<br>magnification is negligible.
<br>Sorry for my over simplified miss-post.
<br>>
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<br>> results!
<br>>
<br><br>Please file a bug on what you expect to happen and what does happen.
<br>This is the only way to get it fixed. Thanks.
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<br>> Okular's font rendering that looks like <censored>. Seriously, my eyes
<br>> start to hurt after a while reading anything in Okular.
<br>>
<br><br>I have not noticed this. Can you send to me a screenshot of a PDF open
<br>in Okular and something else that shows the rendering difference?
<br>Thanks!
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<br>> In features, with acroread, it is possible to print first the even numbered
<br>> pages in reverse order then, after placing the printed sheets text side down
<br>> in the input tray, the odd number pages in true order. Duplex printing from a
<br>> simplex printer.
<br>> Can anyone find how to do this with Okular?
<br>> Other print capabilities from acroread are scaling to paper size and printing
<br>> two copies of a single page side-by-side on one sheet (ideal for fliers). When
<br>> acroread is zoomed in the text scales perfectly, with okular it and the
<br>> picographic parts become very pixellated.
<br>>
</div><br>Please comment on these bugs:
<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60037" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60037</a><br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171925" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171925</a><br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196303" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196303</a><br><br>> On the plus side, Okular starts much faster and is perfectly adequate for
<br>> reading documents designed to be viewed at normal magnification.
<br>>
<br><br>What problems do you have with magnification?
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<br>> Except for printing and magnification!
<br>> In features, with acroread, it is possible to print first the even numbered
<br>> pages in reverse order then, after placing the printed sheets text side
<br>> down in the input tray, the odd number pages in true order. Duplex
<br>> printing from a simplex printer.
<br>> Can anyone find how to do this with Okular?
<br><br>Odd/even page printing arrives for all KDE apps in 4.4 for CUPS on *nix only.
<br>Reverse order already works. Voila.
<br><br>> Other print capabilities from acroread are scaling to paper size and
<br>> printing two copies of a single page side-by-side on one sheet (ideal for
<br>> fliers).
<br><br>n-up printing is already supported, try the Pages tab in the print dialog. In
<br>fact you can go up to 16 pages per sheet if your reading glasses are strong
<br>enough :-)
<br><br>Just a note, combining odd/even pages and n-up will produce unexpected
<br>results!
<br><br>John.
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>>From these guys:
<br>> <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/</a><br>>
<br>>>From TFA:
<br>> """If I had to choose which of these tools was best suited for use as
<br>> modern PDF viewer I would, without hesitation, select Okular. Not only
<br>> is Okular as stable as the other offerings, it offers far more
<br>> features which allows it to compete (and in many ways defeat) Acrobat
<br>> Reader."""
<br>>
</div>Printing simply doesn't work very well. KDE blames this on Qt, but
<br>depending on Qt for printing has turned out to be a serious mistake.
<br><br>Magnification only goes to 400% which is not enough for some uses.
<br><br>I didn't see any problems with the font rendering that PL mentioned. Is
<br>it possible that the PDF he is viewing contains bit mapped fonts? A
<br>proper PDF doesn't need to contain fonts at all, but doing this doesn't
<br>seem to be a simple thing. If these are PDFs that you created, the
<br>problem is probably that you have "Enable Font embedding" checked on the
<br>Printer page in "qtconfig"; uncheck it and see if things improve.
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<br>> From these guys:
<br>> <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/</a><br>>
<br>> From TFA:
<br>> """If I had to choose which of these tools was best suited for use as
<br>> modern PDF viewer I would, without hesitation, select Okular. Not only
<br>> is Okular as stable as the other offerings, it offers far more
<br>> features which allows it to compete (and in many ways defeat) Acrobat
<br>> Reader."""
<br><br>I don't think Acrobat Reader has to be afraid of anything considering
<br>Okular's font rendering that looks like <censored>. Seriously, my eyes
<br>start to hurt after a while reading anything in Okular.
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> >From these guys:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/</a><br>>
<br>> >From TFA:
<br>>
<br>> """If I had to choose which of these tools was best suited for use as
<br>> modern PDF viewer I would, without hesitation, select Okular. Not only
<br>> is Okular as stable as the other offerings, it offers far more
<br>> features which allows it to compete (and in many ways defeat) Acrobat
<br>> Reader."""
<br>>
</div>Except for printing and magnification!
<br>In features, with acroread, it is possible to print first the even numbered
<br>pages in reverse order then, after placing the printed sheets text side down
<br>in the input tray, the odd number pages in true order. Duplex printing from a
<br>simplex printer.
<br>Can anyone find how to do this with Okular?
<br>Other print capabilities from acroread are scaling to paper size and printing
<br>two copies of a single page side-by-side on one sheet (ideal for fliers). When
<br>acroread is zoomed in the text scales perfectly, with okular it and the
<br>picographic parts become very pixellated.
<br><br>On the plus side, Okular starts much faster and is perfectly adequate for
<br>reading documents designed to be viewed at normal magnification.
<br><br>--
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<br><a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/30/linux-pdf-viewers/</a><br><br>From TFA:
<br>"""If I had to choose which of these tools was best suited for use as
<br>modern PDF viewer I would, without hesitation, select Okular. Not only
<br>is Okular as stable as the other offerings, it offers far more
<br>features which allows it to compete (and in many ways defeat) Acrobat
<br>Reader."""
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<br>> but are set "automagically", in ways entirely unintuitive and
<br>> unpredicatable to the typical sysadmin type used to being able to set
<br>> something and have it affect just that, not that and a half dozen other
<br>> things there was no warning would change as they don't appear to be
<br>> connected at all to the setting that was actually changed.
<br>>
<br>> It wouldn't be half as complicated, if various items weren't
<br>> "automagically" set, to what could well be entirely unsuitable half-way
<br>> colors, based on the setting of not one but two (maybe more?) other
<br>> settings. If those half-way settings were exposed as directly settable
<br>> in themselves, the side effects of setting one thing and having it affect
<br>> something else entirely unexpected, because it wasn't even the specified
<br>> color, would disappear, making the entire thing much more directly and
<br>> intuitively cause-effect predictable, and thus much less complicated,
<br>> even if there ends up being five times the actual number of settings to
<br>> tweak.
<br>>
</div><br>This is quite another argument in favor of separate "regular user"
<br>settings and "advanced settings". VLC does this so well, I only wish
<br>that KDE would as well, especially for UI configuration situations in
<br>which usability/accessibility are concerned.
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Tuesday 01 December 2009 03:43:19 Pierre Rosado wrote:<br>
> I am looking a stop watch, a plasmoid like wmtimer with timer and stop<br>
> watch.<br>
><br>
</div>No idea what wmtimer does, but if you merely want to time things, have you<br>
tried ktimetracker? It's not a plasmoid, but a small app.<br>
<br>
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<br>> I am looking a stop watch, a plasmoid like wmtimer with timer and stop
<br>> watch.
<br>>
<br>No idea what wmtimer does, but if you merely want to time things, have you
<br>tried ktimetracker? It's not a plasmoid, but a small app.
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Anne Wilson posted on Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:40:38 +0000 as excerpted:
<br>>
<br>> > On Sunday 29 November 2009 18:24:28 spir wrote:
<br>> >> As a general remark, current kde color settings system is far, far, too
<br>> >> big
<br>> >> & complicated.
<br>> >>
<br>> > It is not expected that most people will fiddle with these details.
<br>> > Usually, choosing a theme to suit your needs is adequate. For those
<br>> > that do feel the need, giving access to as many items as possible is the
<br>> > only way to address that - as you can see from reading Dotan's thread.
<br>>
<br>> FWIW, that's part of the problem, some settings are NOT exposed directly,
<br>> but are set "automagically", in ways entirely unintuitive and
<br>> unpredicatable to the typical sysadmin type used to being able to set
<br>> something and have it affect just that, not that and a half dozen other
<br>> things there was no warning would change as they don't appear to be
<br>> connected at all to the setting that was actually changed.
<br>>
<br>> It wouldn't be half as complicated, if various items weren't
<br>> "automagically" set, to what could well be entirely unsuitable half-way
<br>> colors, based on the setting of not one but two (maybe more?) other
<br>> settings. If those half-way settings were exposed as directly settable
<br>> in themselves, the side effects of setting one thing and having it affect
<br>> something else entirely unexpected, because it wasn't even the specified
<br>> color, would disappear, making the entire thing much more directly and
<br>> intuitively cause-effect predictable, and thus much less complicated,
<br>> even if there ends up being five times the actual number of settings to
<br>> tweak.
<br>>
</div><br>Yo!
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Pierre Rosado posted on Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:09:46 -0500 as excerpted:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Do you know about any chronograph plasmoid?<br>
><br>
> Thanks in advanced,<br>
><br>
> PD: Timer plasmoid does not have the option.<br>
<br>
</div>Stop-watch? Or a graph of <something> over time, aka a plotter?<br>
What <something>?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>I am looking a stop watch, a plasmoid like wmtimer with timer and stop watch. <br> <br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
If you're looking for the former, have you checked <a href="http://kde-look.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">kde-look.org</a>? I've<br>
not needed that functionality, but given the variety of plasmoids at<br>
kdelook...<br>
<br>
If the latter, there's all sorts of options, including "the application<br>
formerly known as ksysguard" (generically aka system monitor, altho all<br>
the system monitor plasmoids are something entirely different, the<br>
problem with generic names, thus taking the hint from Prince for "The<br>
application formerly known as...", superkaramba and its various themes,<br>
yasp-scripted (kdelook) and its various themes, various other plasmoids,<br>
etc.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the suggestion, I am going to check them out.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
FWIW, yasp-scripted could be reasonably easily setup for the former as<br>
well, as it's very flexible (almost like superkaramba, but without the<br>
locationals, as it simply takes stuff in order, thus less complex than<br>
superkaramba). Much of the flexibility lies in its scriptability, since<br>
it's possible to have it report in text, plot or bar-graph form, the<br>
output of any arbitrary command, including shell scripts, python/perl/php/<br>
ruby/whatever scripts, c/c++ native executables, etc. I only do shell<br>
scripting, but am already envisioning the shell script implementation,<br>
using a date command to initialize, then comparing the output of a<br>
current data command against the initial date command with some simple<br>
math, and formatting the output as dd:hh:mm:ss... such an implementation<br>
wouldn't be accurate enough tho, to do more than second accuracy, and<br>
that not reliably. Given the limitations of plasma (the display loop<br>
must be single-threaded for various technical reasons), plus the various<br>
scheduling limitations depending on the kernel you run and its config,<br>
etc, sub-second accuracy isn't likely to be too good in any case, even if<br>
it's a 100% native coded plasmoid. Perhaps that's why nothing of that<br>
nature is shipped by default, tho it's quite likely someone's implemented<br>
it as a plasmoid anyway, and put it up on kdelook.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div>
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<br><br>> Do you know about any chronograph plasmoid?
<br>>
<br>> Thanks in advanced,
<br>>
<br>> PD: Timer plasmoid does not have the option.
<br><br>Stop-watch? Or a graph of <something> over time, aka a plotter?
<br>What <something>?
<br><br>If you're looking for the former, have you checked kde-look.org? I've
<br>not needed that functionality, but given the variety of plasmoids at
<br>kdelook...
<br><br>If the latter, there's all sorts of options, including "the application
<br>formerly known as ksysguard" (generically aka system monitor, altho all
<br>the system monitor plasmoids are something entirely different, the
<br>problem with generic names, thus taking the hint from Prince for "The
<br>application formerly known as...", superkaramba and its various themes,
<br>yasp-scripted (kdelook) and its various themes, various other plasmoids,
<br>etc.
<br><br>FWIW, yasp-scripted could be reasonably easily setup for the former as
<br>well, as it's very flexible (almost like superkaramba, but without the
<br>locationals, as it simply takes stuff in order, thus less complex than
<br>superkaramba). Much of the flexibility lies in its scriptability, since
<br>it's possible to have it report in text, plot or bar-graph form, the
<br>output of any arbitrary command, including shell scripts, python/perl/php/
<br>ruby/whatever scripts, c/c++ native executables, etc. I only do shell
<br>scripting, but am already envisioning the shell script implementation,
<br>using a date command to initialize, then comparing the output of a
<br>current data command against the initial date command with some simple
<br>math, and formatting the output as dd:hh:mm:ss... such an implementation
<br>wouldn't be accurate enough tho, to do more than second accuracy, and
<br>that not reliably. Given the limitations of plasma (the display loop
<br>must be single-threaded for various technical reasons), plus the various
<br>scheduling limitations depending on the kernel you run and its config,
<br>etc, sub-second accuracy isn't likely to be too good in any case, even if
<br>it's a 100% native coded plasmoid. Perhaps that's why nothing of that
<br>nature is shipped by default, tho it's quite likely someone's implemented
<br>it as a plasmoid anyway, and put it up on kdelook.
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<br><br>> On Sunday 29 November 2009 18:24:28 spir wrote:
<br>>> As a general remark, current kde color settings system is far, far, too
<br>>> big
<br>>> & complicated.
<br>>>
<br>> It is not expected that most people will fiddle with these details.
<br>> Usually, choosing a theme to suit your needs is adequate. For those
<br>> that do feel the need, giving access to as many items as possible is the
<br>> only way to address that - as you can see from reading Dotan's thread.
<br><br>FWIW, that's part of the problem, some settings are NOT exposed directly,
<br>but are set "automagically", in ways entirely unintuitive and
<br>unpredicatable to the typical sysadmin type used to being able to set
<br>something and have it affect just that, not that and a half dozen other
<br>things there was no warning would change as they don't appear to be
<br>connected at all to the setting that was actually changed.
<br><br>It wouldn't be half as complicated, if various items weren't
<br>"automagically" set, to what could well be entirely unsuitable half-way
<br>colors, based on the setting of not one but two (maybe more?) other
<br>settings. If those half-way settings were exposed as directly settable
<br>in themselves, the side effects of setting one thing and having it affect
<br>something else entirely unexpected, because it wasn't even the specified
<br>color, would disappear, making the entire thing much more directly and
<br>intuitively cause-effect predictable, and thus much less complicated,
<br>even if there ends up being five times the actual number of settings to
<br>tweak.
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<br>> hardware) settings, and on the configured gamma.
<br>>
<br><br>That could be, I have two monitors in use with this system (internal
<br>laptop and external LCD) and one is mearly difficult to see with, not
<br>impossible like the other.
<br><br><br>> Dotan, have you tried fiddling with "The application formerly known as
<br>> kcontrol" (generically aka system settings, tho it's really kde settings
<br>> and has little to do with the rest of the system, so kcontrol is more
<br>> accurate /and/ less generic), Computer admin, Display, Gamma?
<br>>
<br><br>Regarding the System Settings name, please comment on this bug:
<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199326" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=199326</a><br><br>I do not want to alter the gamma as I have a fix (use a different
<br>theme's scrollbars).
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> According to the kgamma handbook (khelpcenter), the defaults are 1.00 X,
<br>> 1.80 Mac, 2.20 MSWormOS (my name for it, FWIW). If you haven't done the
<br>> calibration, go ahead and do it, following the procedure outlined in the
<br>> kgamma handbook. On my LCDs, I ended up with an RGB gamma of 1.25 red
<br>> and green, 1.65 blue. That /dramatically/ improved the contrast at the
<br>> dark end of things, for me. Note that CRTs will likely come out with far
<br>> different numbers, and there's all sorts of other factors involved as
<br>> well, from the backlite (florescent or LED) on LCDs and possible screen
<br>> coatings on CRTs, to typical ambient lighting conditions, to make and
<br>> model of monitor, to specific monitor on the same production run, to
<br>> personal preference, to...
<br>>
<br>> That will make a big difference, or at least it did here.
<br>>
<br>> As for changing the scrollbar specifically, that's controlled by look and
<br>> feel, appearance, colors, but there's not an individual setting for it.
<br>> After your gamma is set correctly, you may want to tweak the colors a bit
<br>> anyway.
<br>>
<br>> Here, I have a STRONG preference for light foregrounds/text, dark
<br>> backgrounds, AND for way more color than the wimpy/sickly default mostly-
<br>> grays so I started by finding a scheme that came at least reasonably
<br>> close to meeting my needs. Of the default kde themes, Obsidian Coast and
<br>> Wonton Soup came closest, being at least light on dark, but they were
<br>> still way too sickly weak for my tastes. kdelook to the rescue! =:^)
<br>> The best one I found there was darkblue-deb, a theme Debian may ship,
<br>> apparently, or at least a Debian fan created! =:^)
<br>>
</div><br>Thanks, I will take a look at that.
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> But it wasn't /exactly/ right, either, tho it came reasonably close. So
<br>> I had to tweak it a bit.
<br>>
<br>> If you are going to do *any* color tweaking on your own, besides changing
<br>> the schemes, you **NEED** to read the associated help page. If you
<br>> don't, you will not understand what you are doing, and will likely get
<br>> /something/ wrong, such that you'll get a dialog or tooltip text or
<br>> /something/, with "invisible" text (or invisible thumb buttons on the
<br>> scrollbar, as in this thread, etc), simply due to not paying attention to
<br>> how the various color sets and color roles combine, in some cases with
<br>> automatic settings based on the others. After Mathew and I hashed things
<br>> out on this list a couple versions ago, the color settings dialog is
<br>> /much/ improved over what it was, but kde4 has an incredibly rich and
<br>> complex color layout, WAY more complex than kde3, and if you don't read
<br>> that help text, you WILL miss some of the nuances and very likely screw
<br>> /something/ up.
<br>>
<br>> That said, the most important point to remember is to check any changes
<br>> you make in the preview. Note that on the colors tab, choosing any color
<br>> set other than the default "common colors" from the dropdown, you get a
<br>> more detailed preview of how the various roles of that color set in their
<br>> normal and alternate state look. If ANY of those words don't have enough
<br>> foreground/background contrast to easily read the words, you WILL have
<br>> problems when the associated color set and role comes up. Thus, if you
<br>> can't read any of those words, you better go back and tweak your colors
<br>> some more!
<br>>
<br>> One other detail to note! The Oxygen style (kcontrol, look&feel,
<br>> appearance, styles) does button gradients/hilites that the other styles
<br>> don't do. I don't know the precise algorithm behind it, and the effect
<br>> only seems to be noticeable if the button color is dark enough so many
<br>> probably won't see it at all, but if your chosen button background color
<br>> is dark enough and you're running Oxygen style, you should notice a
<br>> definite difference between the button background color you set in
<br>> colors, and the actual button background color as shown on the system --
<br>> the color will be the same hue, but lighter than the color selected in
<br>> the color settings dialog, due to the Oxygen button hiliting effect.
<br>> FWIW, once I realized that, after a bit of experimentation, I settled on
<br>> a very very dark red (with an even smaller touch of green, #140800), so
<br>> dark many people would call it black, as the button normal background
<br>> setting. The hiliting effect lightens it to a dark (but not black)
<br>> brown, which sets off nicely against the window and view background blues
<br>> of darkblue-deb, as well as the bright yellow I chose (another mod from
<br>> darkblue-deb) as my button text color. However, during the
<br>> experimentation I tried green as well, and noted the same lightening
<br>> effect there. I expect that blue would have it as well, but didn't test
<br>> that since with window and view normal backgrounds already dark blue
<br>> (from darkblue-deb), dark-blue buttons wouldn't show up so well!
<br>>
<br>> Meanwhile, the precise color settings controlling the scrollbar are
<br>> window normal background, for the scrollbar background, and button normal
<br>> background, for the scroll button. Again, be sure and check your
<br>> previews when you change them tho, ensuring that all the text roles still
<br>> show up as sufficiently readable, and if you're running Oxygen style and
<br>> have a dark button normal background, consider the effect when it's
<br>> lightened a bit due to that hiliting, when you check those previews!
<br>>
</div><br>Would you mind sending to me your modified colour scheme. It sounds
<br>like I could learn a lot from it. Thanks!
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<br>>
<br><br>Buttons? What exactly is the text of the option? Thanks!
<br><br>> Highjacking the thread ;-), I take the opportunity to ask about tab colors. On my system, for any reason I am unable to guess, unactive tabs have a more intense color than active ones. Indeed I want the opposite! but cannot find which color tabs use.
<br>> Visually speaking, inactive tabs have a color that looks slightly lighter than buttons, while active ones have a color slightly lighter than window background.
<br>> Hints welcome, thank you.
<br>> By the way, I have also a problem with progress bars (eg in package managers): fore- and back- ground colors beeing nearly identical.
<br>>
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<br>> As a general remark, current kde color settings system is far, far, too big
<br>> & complicated.
<br>>
<br>It is not expected that most people will fiddle with these details. Usually,
<br>choosing a theme to suit your needs is adequate. For those that do feel the
<br>need, giving access to as many items as possible is the only way to address
<br>that - as you can see from reading Dotan's thread.
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sunday 29 November 2009 10:51:29 Dotan Cohen wrote:
<br>>> > By changing your theme? No, I'm not being sarcastic. Some things
<br>>> > are hard- coded into themes, and this may be one of them.
<br>>>
<br>>> That is quite what I did as a workaround.
<br>>>
<br>>> > As a matter of interest, which theme are you finding hard to see?
<br>>> > This is something I haven't noticed in any theme I've tried.
<br>>>
<br>>> Oxygen in particular suffers from many usability issues, this is one of
<br>>> them. Most of the other themes suffer from this as well, as the
<br>>> scrollbar is the same colour as the window background.
<br>>>
<br>> Strange. I'm using oxygen at the moment, and I don't see any problem
<br>> with the scrollbar - and my eyes are really not that good. There seems
<br>> to be quite good contrast between the scroll 'handle' and its
<br>> background.
</div><br>A lot of it depends on the monitor and its brightness/contrast (aka
<br>hardware) settings, and on the configured gamma.
<br><br>Dotan, have you tried fiddling with "The application formerly known as
<br>kcontrol" (generically aka system settings, tho it's really kde settings
<br>and has little to do with the rest of the system, so kcontrol is more
<br>accurate /and/ less generic), Computer admin, Display, Gamma?
<br><br>According to the kgamma handbook (khelpcenter), the defaults are 1.00 X,
<br>1.80 Mac, 2.20 MSWormOS (my name for it, FWIW). If you haven't done the
<br>calibration, go ahead and do it, following the procedure outlined in the
<br>kgamma handbook. On my LCDs, I ended up with an RGB gamma of 1.25 red
<br>and green, 1.65 blue. That /dramatically/ improved the contrast at the
<br>dark end of things, for me. Note that CRTs will likely come out with far
<br>different numbers, and there's all sorts of other factors involved as
<br>well, from the backlite (florescent or LED) on LCDs and possible screen
<br>coatings on CRTs, to typical ambient lighting conditions, to make and
<br>model of monitor, to specific monitor on the same production run, to
<br>personal preference, to...
<br><br>That will make a big difference, or at least it did here.
<br><br>As for changing the scrollbar specifically, that's controlled by look and
<br>feel, appearance, colors, but there's not an individual setting for it.
<br>After your gamma is set correctly, you may want to tweak the colors a bit
<br>anyway.
<br><br>Here, I have a STRONG preference for light foregrounds/text, dark
<br>backgrounds, AND for way more color than the wimpy/sickly default mostly-
<br>grays so I started by finding a scheme that came at least reasonably
<br>close to meeting my needs. Of the default kde themes, Obsidian Coast and
<br>Wonton Soup came closest, being at least light on dark, but they were
<br>still way too sickly weak for my tastes. kdelook to the rescue! =:^)
<br>The best one I found there was darkblue-deb, a theme Debian may ship,
<br>apparently, or at least a Debian fan created! =:^)
<br><br>But it wasn't /exactly/ right, either, tho it came reasonably close. So
<br>I had to tweak it a bit.
<br><br>If you are going to do *any* color tweaking on your own, besides changing
<br>the schemes, you **NEED** to read the associated help page. If you
<br>don't, you will not understand what you are doing, and will likely get
<br>/something/ wrong, such that you'll get a dialog or tooltip text or
<br>/something/, with "invisible" text (or invisible thumb buttons on the
<br>scrollbar, as in this thread, etc), simply due to not paying attention to
<br>how the various color sets and color roles combine, in some cases with
<br>automatic settings based on the others. After Mathew and I hashed things
<br>out on this list a couple versions ago, the color settings dialog is
<br>/much/ improved over what it was, but kde4 has an incredibly rich and
<br>complex color layout, WAY more complex than kde3, and if you don't read
<br>that help text, you WILL miss some of the nuances and very likely screw
<br>/something/ up.
<br><br>That said, the most important point to remember is to check any changes
<br>you make in the preview. Note that on the colors tab, choosing any color
<br>set other than the default "common colors" from the dropdown, you get a
<br>more detailed preview of how the various roles of that color set in their
<br>normal and alternate state look. If ANY of those words don't have enough
<br>foreground/background contrast to easily read the words, you WILL have
<br>problems when the associated color set and role comes up. Thus, if you
<br>can't read any of those words, you better go back and tweak your colors
<br>some more!
<br><br>One other detail to note! The Oxygen style (kcontrol, look&feel,
<br>appearance, styles) does button gradients/hilites that the other styles
<br>don't do. I don't know the precise algorithm behind it, and the effect
<br>only seems to be noticeable if the button color is dark enough so many
<br>probably won't see it at all, but if your chosen button background color
<br>is dark enough and you're running Oxygen style, you should notice a
<br>definite difference between the button background color you set in
<br>colors, and the actual button background color as shown on the system --
<br>the color will be the same hue, but lighter than the color selected in
<br>the color settings dialog, due to the Oxygen button hiliting effect.
<br>FWIW, once I realized that, after a bit of experimentation, I settled on
<br>a very very dark red (with an even smaller touch of green, #140800), so
<br>dark many people would call it black, as the button normal background
<br>setting. The hiliting effect lightens it to a dark (but not black)
<br>brown, which sets off nicely against the window and view background blues
<br>of darkblue-deb, as well as the bright yellow I chose (another mod from
<br>darkblue-deb) as my button text color. However, during the
<br>experimentation I tried green as well, and noted the same lightening
<br>effect there. I expect that blue would have it as well, but didn't test
<br>that since with window and view normal backgrounds already dark blue
<br>(from darkblue-deb), dark-blue buttons wouldn't show up so well!
<br><br>Meanwhile, the precise color settings controlling the scrollbar are
<br>window normal background, for the scrollbar background, and button normal
<br>background, for the scroll button. Again, be sure and check your
<br>previews when you change them tho, ensuring that all the text roles still
<br>show up as sufficiently readable, and if you're running Oxygen style and
<br>have a dark button normal background, consider the effect when it's
<br>lightened a bit due to that hiliting, when you check those previews!
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<br><br>> In KDE 4.3.2 I have a very hard time seeing the scrollbar and I cannot
<br>> find out how to change it's appearance in System Settings.
<br>> Specifically, there does not seem to be a way to change the scrollbar
<br>> colour. However, the Klearlooks theme does have a coloured bar, so I
<br>> assume that it is possible to configure. How?
<br><br>I changed _all_ colors to create a completely custom theme. As a consequence, I discovered that scroll bars use the color set to buttons (Actually, all "terminal" (non-container) widgets seem to use the color set to buttons. At least, on my system.)
<br><br>Highjacking the thread ;-), I take the opportunity to ask about tab colors. On my system, for any reason I am unable to guess, unactive tabs have a more intense color than active ones. Indeed I want the opposite! but cannot find which color tabs use.
<br>Visually speaking, inactive tabs have a color that looks slightly lighter than buttons, while active ones have a color slightly lighter than window background.
<br>Hints welcome, thank you.
<br>By the way, I have also a problem with progress bars (eg in package managers): fore- and back- ground colors beeing nearly identical.
<br><br>As a general remark, current kde color settings system is far, far, too big & complicated.
<br><br>Denis
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> > By changing your theme? No, I'm not being sarcastic. Some things are
<br>> > hard- coded into themes, and this may be one of them.
<br>>
<br>> That is quite what I did as a workaround.
<br>>
<br>> > As a matter of interest, which theme are you finding hard to see? This
<br>> > is something I haven't noticed in any theme I've tried.
<br>>
<br>> Oxygen in particular suffers from many usability issues, this is one
<br>> of them. Most of the other themes suffer from this as well, as the
<br>> scrollbar is the same colour as the window background.
<br>>
</div>Strange. I'm using oxygen at the moment, and I don't see any problem with the
</div>scrollbar - and my eyes are really not that good. There seems to be quite
<br>good contrast between the scroll 'handle' and its background.
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<br>> coded into themes, and this may be one of them.
<br>>
<br><br>That is quite what I did as a workaround.
<br><br><br>> As a matter of interest, which theme are you finding hard to see? This is
<br>> something I haven't noticed in any theme I've tried.
<br>>
<br><br>Oxygen in particular suffers from many usability issues, this is one
<br>of them. Most of the other themes suffer from this as well, as the
<br>scrollbar is the same colour as the window background.
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<br>> In KDE 4.3.2 I have a very hard time seeing the scrollbar and I cannot
<br>> find out how to change it's appearance in System Settings.
<br>> Specifically, there does not seem to be a way to change the scrollbar
<br>> colour. However, the Klearlooks theme does have a coloured bar, so I
<br>> assume that it is possible to configure. How?
<br>>
<br>By changing your theme? No, I'm not being sarcastic. Some things are hard-
<br>coded into themes, and this may be one of them.
<br><br>As a matter of interest, which theme are you finding hard to see? This is
<br>something I haven't noticed in any theme I've tried.
<br><br>Anne
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Saturday 28 Nov 2009 19:04:06 James Tyrer wrote:
<br>> > If you previously installed OpenOffice, the problem is probably that you
<br>> > still have a file in: ".../share/mimelnk/". This would not be in your
<br>> > "$HOME/.kde4/" directory since it is not a KDE app. You should look for
<br>> > the 'desktop' file in:
<br>> >
<br>> > /usr/share/mimelnk/application/
<br>> > $HOME/.local/share/mimelnk/application/
<br>> >
<br>> > and remove the obsolete 'desktop' files for OpenOffice.
<br>>
<br>> When I upgraded, I installed onto a clean disk. I then transferred all the
<br>> /home directories from the old installation to the new, so as to keep all
<br>> the settings for kmail, flightgear u.v.a.
<br>>
<br>> I looked through the directory $HOME/.local/share/applications and found a
<br>> whole load of obsolete desktop files. I removed the files referring to
<br>> OpenOffice.org and retried. This time, the system complained that it could
<br>> not find Xine! I then removed the entire contents of that directory, and
<br>> now the Dolphin file manger opens as required.
<br>>
<br>> Thank you for your help.
<br>>
</div>Next time, make your backup copy as before, but only transfer to the new
</div>install the directories that you are certain you need. You can always add to
<br>them later if you find you have missed some.
<br><br>Anne
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> If you previously installed OpenOffice, the problem is probably that you
<br>> still have a file in: ".../share/mimelnk/". This would not be in your
<br>> "$HOME/.kde4/" directory since it is not a KDE app. You should look for
<br>> the 'desktop' file in:
<br>>
<br>> /usr/share/mimelnk/application/
<br>> $HOME/.local/share/mimelnk/application/
<br>>
<br>> and remove the obsolete 'desktop' files for OpenOffice.
<br>>
</div>When I upgraded, I installed onto a clean disk. I then transferred all the
<br>/home directories from the old installation to the new, so as to keep all the
<br>settings for kmail, flightgear u.v.a.
<br>
<br>I looked through the directory $HOME/.local/share/applications and found a
<br>whole load of obsolete desktop files. I removed the files referring to
<br>OpenOffice.org and retried. This time, the system complained that it could not
<br>find Xine! I then removed the entire contents of that directory, and now the
<br>Dolphin file manger opens as required.
<br><br>Thank you for your help.
<br><br>Basil Fowler
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<br>find out how to change it's appearance in System Settings.
<br>Specifically, there does not seem to be a way to change the scrollbar
<br>colour. However, the Klearlooks theme does have a coloured bar, so I
<br>assume that it is possible to configure. How?
<br><br><br>--
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<br><p>From forum: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/kde-general---list2-f6705.html" embed="fixTarget[6705]" target="_top" >kde-general - list2</a></p>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26556241Re: Hangover from kde 3.5 in kde4 when launching file manager after plugging in a SSC card2009-11-28T11:30:44Z2009-11-28T11:30:44ZDuncan-2Anne Wilson posted on Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:52:10 +0000 as excerpted:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Saturday 28 November 2009 16:40:18 Basil Fowler wrote:
<br>>> Firstly, I was able to sort out yesterday's problem - it was not a KDE
<br>>> matter after all, but a sysconfig problem.
<br>>>
<br>>> But I believe this one is:
<br>>>
<br>>> As I mentioned previously, I have upgraded to Mandriva 2010.0 from
<br>>> 2008.1. When plug in USB storage and click on the icon with the USB
<br>>> sign, a flag comes up with the list "Devices recently plugged in".
<br>>>
<br>>> On clicking on the device, a window appears in the centre of the screen
<br>>> with a list of actions. one action is "Open with File Manager" - so
<br>>> far so good.
<br>>>
<br>>> When I click on this option, I get the error message: KDEinit could not
<br>>> launch openoffic.org-2-2 Could not find openoffice.org2.2 executable
<br>>>
<br>> It seems strange that it should look for OpenOffice if you selected File
<br>> Manager!
</div><br>Indeed!
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>> This is not surprising, since I have not had openoffice.org 2.2 on the
<br>>> computer for a long time.
<br>>>
<br>>> I have "grepped" the entire .kde4 directory for any reference to this
<br>>> program, but have found none.
<br>>>
<br>>> Any hints where to look? File Associations?
<br>>>
<br>> That's certainly the first place I'd look. You'll find it in
<br>> SystemSettings, Advanced tab.
</div><br>... Or, depending on your "application formerly known as kcontrol,
<br>generically aka system settings", settings (got that, the kcontrol aka
<br>systemsettings settings, even if it doesn't really control many system
<br>settings at all, see that sysconfig setting mentioned above, it's for kde
<br>settings, thus kcontrol is more accurate in any case), under "Advanced
<br>User Settings", "File Associations". That's on kde 4.3.3, kcontrol set
<br>to "classic tree view".
<br><br>Under file associations, under inode, I'd check blockdev, directory, and
<br>mount-point. Were it a CD/DVD, I'd also check under x-content for the
<br>appropriate media type, but unless you've done something exotic like
<br>format your USB mass-storage as ISO-9660 or some such, that's unlikely to
<br>be of interest, here.
<br><br>Another place to check, also under advanced user settings, is Device
<br>Actions. That's based on info hal feeds in, with each action available
<br>or not based on a boolean logic tree. The open with filemanager action
<br>should be there. Here, it's set to "kioclient exec %f".
<br><br>So now we lookup kioclient. Try running kioclient --help in a konsole
<br>window. Here, the interesting option for further information is
<br>kioclient --commands. Running that and checking the exec option, the
<br>"%f" above would be a placeholder for the file (likely presented as a
<br>file:// url), aka the 'url' in the documentation. 'mimetype' is omitted,
<br>so according to that, the mimetype is determined automatically (by file
<br>associations).
<br><br>Which brings us back to file associations, but there's another angle on
<br>them other than the one above. Above, we checked the logical mimetypes
<br>to see if they had any strange OOo associated actions, but the reverse
<br>possibility is that the normal OOo mimetype is for some reason too broad,
<br>and taking in whole filesystems or block devices (presumably fat32 if
<br>you've not formatted the mass-storage otherwise). So that's the other
<br>thing to check there. Do a search for openoffic.org-2-2 and see what
<br>comes up.
<br><br>Also note that it's possible, particularly if you upgraded in-place, that
<br>the setting might be in the system mimetypes, not your user mimetypes.
<br>One way to check that would be (from a VT with X not running, or from
<br>Gnome or something other than kde4, at least) to rename your ~/.kde4 dir
<br>temporarily, then log back in with a "clean" user config, and see if the
<br>action happens then. If it does, it's very likely a system config
<br>issue. If not, you know it's in your user kde config. You can of course
<br>revert the temporary test at that point, again logged out of KDE, of
<br>course, deleting the temp config it wrote during the test and replacing
<br>it with your original config, if desired. If you have as many
<br>customizations as I do, you'll desire. If you don't customize much,
<br>it'll probably be no big deal to blow away the old config and start anew,
<br>and simpler to do that than to find the issue.
<br><br>Another testing alternative, even more thorough, would be to create a
<br>brand new user, entirely fresh home dir, and login to kde as them. If
<br>the problem exists there, you know for sure it's a system problem, since
<br>there was no existing user config at all to even consider. If it
<br>doesn't, you know it's a user config problem.
<br><br>--
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Firstly, I was able to sort out yesterday's problem - it was not a KDE matter
<br>> after all, but a sysconfig problem.
<br>>
<br>> But I believe this one is:
<br>>
<br>> As I mentioned previously, I have upgraded to Mandriva 2010.0 from 2008.1.
<br>> When plug in USB storage and click on the icon with the USB sign, a flag
<br>> comes up with the list "Devices recently plugged in".
<br>>
<br>> On clicking on the device, a window appears in the centre of the screen with a
<br>> list of actions. one action is "Open with File Manager" - so far so good.
<br>>
<br>> When I click on this option, I get the error message:
<br>> KDEinit could not launch openoffic.org-2-2
<br>> Could not find openoffice.org2.2 executable
<br>>
<br>> This is not surprising, since I have not had openoffice.org 2.2 on the
<br>> computer for a long time.
<br>>
<br>> I have "grepped" the entire .kde4 directory for any reference to this program,
<br>> but have found none.
<br>>
<br>> Any hints where to look? File Associations?
<br>>
</div>If you previously installed OpenOffice, the problem is probably that you
<br>still have a file in: ".../share/mimelnk/". This would not be in your
<br>"$HOME/.kde4/" directory since it is not a KDE app. You should look for
<br>the 'desktop' file in:
<br><br> /usr/share/mimelnk/application/
<br> $HOME/.local/share/mimelnk/application/
<br><br>and remove the obsolete 'desktop' files for OpenOffice.
<br><br>--
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Firstly, I was able to sort out yesterday's problem - it was not a KDE
<br>> matter after all, but a sysconfig problem.
<br>>
<br>> But I believe this one is:
<br>>
<br>> As I mentioned previously, I have upgraded to Mandriva 2010.0 from 2008.1.
<br>> When plug in USB storage and click on the icon with the USB sign, a flag
<br>> comes up with the list "Devices recently plugged in".
<br>>
<br>> On clicking on the device, a window appears in the centre of the screen
<br>> with a list of actions. one action is "Open with File Manager" - so far so
<br>> good.
<br>>
<br>> When I click on this option, I get the error message:
<br>> KDEinit could not launch openoffic.org-2-2
<br>> Could not find openoffice.org2.2 executable
<br>>
</div>It seems strange that it should look for OpenOffice if you selected File
</div>Manager!
<br><br>> This is not surprising, since I have not had openoffice.org 2.2 on the
<br>> computer for a long time.
<br>>
<br>> I have "grepped" the entire .kde4 directory for any reference to this
<br>> program, but have found none.
<br>>
<br>> Any hints where to look? File Associations?
<br>>
<br>That's certainly the first place I'd look. You'll find it in SystemSettings,
<br>Advanced tab.
<br><br>Anne
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<br>after all, but a sysconfig problem.
<br><br>But I believe this one is:
<br><br>As I mentioned previously, I have upgraded to Mandriva 2010.0 from 2008.1.
<br>When plug in USB storage and click on the icon with the USB sign, a flag
<br>comes up with the list "Devices recently plugged in".
<br><br>On clicking on the device, a window appears in the centre of the screen with a
<br>list of actions. one action is "Open with File Manager" - so far so good.
<br><br>When I click on this option, I get the error message:
<br>KDEinit could not launch openoffic.org-2-2
<br>Could not find openoffice.org2.2 executable
<br><br>This is not surprising, since I have not had openoffice.org 2.2 on the
<br>computer for a long time.
<br><br>I have "grepped" the entire .kde4 directory for any reference to this program,
<br>but have found none.
<br><br>Any hints where to look? File Associations?
<br><br>TiA
<br><br>Basil Fowler
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:40:43 +0100
<br>> spir <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26550006&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">denis.spir@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> the gendarmerie is military police
<br>>
<br>> They are a military-style police force, the term "military police" in
<br>> English means a police force that polices the army.
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</div><br>Right. Both are right in the case of the gendarmerie.
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