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Re: microblogging backgrounds

2009-11-28T20:23:40Z

On Saturday 28 November 2009, 16:29 Lydia Pintscher wrote:
> I just uploaded KDE background images that cosmonautirussi did for us
> for identi.ca, Twitter and co to the promo section on
> community.kde.org.
> http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2009/11/28/lets-make-identi-ca-and-twitter-a-
> little-more-kde/ has some more info.

Great idea! Now I just need to find a wordpress theme now like these ones :P

Thanks!!

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Re: microblogging backgrounds

2009-11-28T12:56:53Z

Lydia -

Those are awesome. And very high quality as well. Thanks for sharing!

James Cain
http://thebluemint.blogspot.com
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On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Lydia Pintscher <lydia@...> wrote:

Heya :)

I just uploaded KDE background images that cosmonautirussi did for us
for identi.ca, Twitter and co to the promo section on
community.kde.org.
http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2009/11/28/lets-make-identi-ca-and-twitter-a-little-more-kde/
has some more info.

Cheers
Lydia

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microblogging backgrounds

2009-11-28T11:29:57Z

Heya :)

I just uploaded KDE background images that cosmonautirussi did for us
for identi.ca, Twitter and co to the promo section on
community.kde.org.
http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2009/11/28/lets-make-identi-ca-and-twitter-a-little-more-kde/
has some more info.

Cheers
Lydia

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-28T04:33:46Z

In data sabato 28 novembre 2009 10:57:22, Lydia Pintscher ha scritto:

> Are you really sure about this? KDE Plasma i18n("Desktop") will make

I agree. Also, in some languages there isn't a direct translation of "Desktop"
in the computer sense, and you get rather odd-sounding results if you do.

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-28T01:57:22Z

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 17:26, Aaron J. Seigo <aseigo@...> wrote:
> one final point to get consensus on: "KDE Development Platform" is a brand and
> so should -not- be translated in the UI's, correct?
>
> so ...
> "Plasma Desktop" -> "Plasma i18n("Desktop")"
> i18n("KDE Software Compilation")
> "KDE Development Platform"
>
> this should be added to the branding page on the wiki

Are you really sure about this? KDE Plasma i18n("Desktop") will make
support a pita. It will make it harder for non-english-speaking people
to search for help and news about our desktop.

Cheers
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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T15:14:43Z

On Friday 27 November 2009, Stuart Jarvis wrote:
> This is an effect on one of our "Powered by KDE" type labels:
>
> * Built on the KDE Platform
> --> Built on the KDE Framework
> --> Built on the KDE Development Framework (long?)

Do you build an application _on_ a framework? Or do you rather build an
application _with_ a framework? To me "on" sounds like "on top of", but
isn't a framework more like a set of building blocks one uses to build
an application with?

Regards,
Ingo

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T11:11:03Z

On November 27, 2009, Albert Astals Cid wrote:

> A Divendres, 27 de novembre de 2009, Stuart Jarvis va escriure:
> > On Friday 27 November 2009 16:26:43 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > On November 27, 2009, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > > >From my point of view I don't see a significant advantage for
> > > > > "framework"
> > > >
> > > > instead of "platform", they are both somewhat fine. So why don't we
> > > > just stick with what we have decided for now?
> > >
> > > seems to be the consensus, ok, fair enough :)
> > >
> > > one final point to get consensus on: "KDE Development Platform" is a
> > > brand and so should -not- be translated in the UI's, correct?
> > >
> > > so ...
> > > "Plasma Desktop" -> "Plasma i18n("Desktop")"
>
> Hope you don't do that by code, because some languages are going to need to
> put Desktop before plasma and not after

yes, that was just shorthand for the purpose of making what part would get
translated clear :)

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T09:23:16Z

A Divendres, 27 de novembre de 2009, Stuart Jarvis va escriure:

> On Friday 27 November 2009 16:26:43 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > On November 27, 2009, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > > >From my point of view I don't see a significant advantage for
> > > > "framework"
> > >
> > > instead of "platform", they are both somewhat fine. So why don't we
> > > just stick with what we have decided for now?
> >
> > seems to be the consensus, ok, fair enough :)
> >
> > one final point to get consensus on: "KDE Development Platform" is a
> > brand and so should -not- be translated in the UI's, correct?
> >
> > so ...
> > "Plasma Desktop" -> "Plasma i18n("Desktop")"

Hope you don't do that by code, because some languages are going to need to
put Desktop before plasma and not after

Albert

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T09:00:25Z

On Friday 27 November 2009 16:26:43 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

> On November 27, 2009, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> > >From my point of view I don't see a significant advantage for
> > > "framework"
> >
> > instead of "platform", they are both somewhat fine. So why don't we just
> > stick with what we have decided for now?
>
> seems to be the consensus, ok, fair enough :)
>
> one final point to get consensus on: "KDE Development Platform" is a brand
> and so should -not- be translated in the UI's, correct?
>
> so ...
> "Plasma Desktop" -> "Plasma i18n("Desktop")"

One point here: we want the local language equivalent of "desktop" as in
computer, rather than as in the desktop metaphor don't we? (desktop vs
netbook). Better make that clear to the translators.

Stu

> i18n("KDE Software Compilation")
> "KDE Development Platform"
>
> this should be added to the branding page on the wiki
>
> > > it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
> > > mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
> > > "Platform".
> >
> > Hm, I'm afraid I don't get the reasoning here. What's the advantage of
> > aligning the name of our development platform with the name of a Nokia
> > division?
>
> makes for a good flow in the story: there's Qt Development Framework, and
> on top of that is the KDE Development Framework.
>

Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T08:26:43Z

On November 27, 2009, Cornelius Schumacher wrote:
> >From my point of view I don't see a significant advantage for "framework"
>
> instead of "platform", they are both somewhat fine. So why don't we just
> stick with what we have decided for now?

seems to be the consensus, ok, fair enough :)

one final point to get consensus on: "KDE Development Platform" is a brand and
so should -not- be translated in the UI's, correct?

so ...
"Plasma Desktop" -> "Plasma i18n("Desktop")"
i18n("KDE Software Compilation")
"KDE Development Platform"

this should be added to the branding page on the wiki

> > it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
> > mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
> > "Platform".
>
> Hm, I'm afraid I don't get the reasoning here. What's the advantage of
> aligning the name of our development platform with the name of a Nokia
> division?

makes for a good flow in the story: there's Qt Development Framework, and on
top of that is the KDE Development Framework.

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T05:50:28Z

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Cornelius Schumacher
<schumacher@...> wrote:
> On Friday 27 November 2009 06:27:45 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>>
>> i've lost where the email was now, but in one of the recent long but
>> excellent threads someone (apologies to whomever raised the idea for
>> forgetting who it was :/) suggested "KDE Development Framework" instead of
>> "KDE Development Platform"
>
> The nice thing about "platform" is that you can build on it, this gives a nice
> visual analogy. Framework sounds pretty abstract.

Yes, that was the reason we went for platform during the meeting...

> From my point of view I don't see a significant advantage for "framework"
> instead of "platform", they are both somewhat fine. So why don't we just stick
> with what we have decided for now?
>
>> it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
>> mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
>> "Platform".
>
> Hm, I'm afraid I don't get the reasoning here. What's the advantage of
> aligning the name of our development platform with the name of a Nokia
> division? The terms are used for pretty different kinds of things. I actually
> would find that confusing.
>
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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T03:03:27Z

On Friday 27 November 2009 06:27:45 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
>
> i've lost where the email was now, but in one of the recent long but
> excellent threads someone (apologies to whomever raised the idea for
> forgetting who it was :/) suggested "KDE Development Framework" instead of
> "KDE Development Platform"

The nice thing about "platform" is that you can build on it, this gives a nice
visual analogy. Framework sounds pretty abstract.

From my point of view I don't see a significant advantage for "framework"
instead of "platform", they are both somewhat fine. So why don't we just stick
with what we have decided for now?

> it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
> mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
> "Platform".

Hm, I'm afraid I don't get the reasoning here. What's the advantage of
aligning the name of our development platform with the name of a Nokia
division? The terms are used for pretty different kinds of things. I actually
would find that confusing.

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T02:49:25Z

On Friday 27 November 2009 06:27:45 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

> hi all ..
>
> i've lost where the email was now, but in one of the recent long but
> excellent threads someone (apologies to whomever raised the idea for
> forgetting who it was :/) suggested "KDE Development Framework" instead of
> "KDE Development Platform"
>
> i think we should really consider taking that name before we bake
> "Development Platform" into an actual release.
>
> it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
> mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
> "Platform".
>
> can we get consensus on this?

I prefer Framework because it sounds "less exclusive" than Platform. To me, a
platform is the whole thing (i.e. a complete Linux stack with Qt and kdelibs), a
framework is something you can use to gain functionality. I hope you get what I mean.

So yeah, Framework, from my POV.
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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-27T02:29:29Z

On Friday 27 November 2009 09:56:22 Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Thursday 26 November 2009 21:29:28 Stuart Jarvis wrote:
> > On Thursday 26 November 2009 02:33:17 Nathan Ogden wrote:
> > > Since most netbooks don't have
> > > DVD drives, I don't know that it would be necessary to have the Plasma
> > > Netbook option on there, much less one of the main desktop options.
> >
> > Hehe, good point :-)
>
> Except that we do use external DVD drives.
>

Another good point... I think I'll retire from the discussion of netbook
access to optical media as it's clearly not my area of expertise :-)

Stu

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T02:27:10Z

On Friday 27 November 2009 05:27:45 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> hi all ..
>
> i've lost where the email was now, but in one of the recent long but
> excellent threads someone (apologies to whomever raised the idea for
> forgetting who it was :/) suggested "KDE Development Framework" instead of
> "KDE Development Platform"
>
We actually said "KDE Platform" (that /may/ be also referred to as "KDE
Development Platform"). Does "KDE Framework" work as a short - or even the
official - form? Otherwise "KDE Development Framework" is ~ nine syllables and a
fair bit of writing and we might inadvertently be inviting people to shorten
it to something more convenient, like "KDE" :-(

> i think we should really consider taking that name before we bake
> "Development Platform" into an actual release.
>
Definitely

> it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
> mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
> "Platform".
>
> can we get consensus on this?
>
The alignment with Qt is nice and it does avoid some of the problems someone
somewhere suggested about platform also referring to things like Windows,
Linux, Mac etc...

This is an effect on one of our "Powered by KDE" type labels:

* Built on the KDE Platform
--> Built on the KDE Framework
--> Built on the KDE Development Framework (long?)

I've no objection in principle, just wanted to raise some potential issues.
None of them are that big.

Stu

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-27T01:56:22Z

On Thursday 26 November 2009 21:29:28 Stuart Jarvis wrote:
> On Thursday 26 November 2009 02:33:17 Nathan Ogden wrote:
> > Since most netbooks don't have
> > DVD drives, I don't know that it would be necessary to have the Plasma
> > Netbook option on there, much less one of the main desktop options.
>
> Hehe, good point :-)
>
Except that we do use external DVD drives.

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Re: [Campkde-organizers] More Camp KDE promotion ideas

2009-11-27T01:34:04Z

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 00:07, Justin Kirby <justin@...> wrote:

> I started a wiki page to generalize what we've come up with in this thread
> for use on other events. I tried to build it as a child of
> http://community.kde.org/Promo/Strategy (the link is there at least) but the
> URL is http://community.kde.org/Hosting_a_KDE_event and I'm not sure how to
> get it to the right place. Can someone lend a hand (or better) tell me how
> to fix this? Also, some parts of the page are better fleshed out than
> others so please feel free to hack away at the content there.
>
> Thanks!
> Justin

Fixed. For the how see
http://community.kde.org/index.php?title=Promo/Strategy&curid=40&diff=402&oldid=396

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Lydia

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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-27T00:51:37Z

Hmmmm this was discussed but i don't remember the outcome ;)

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> On November 26, 2009 21:27:45 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > hi all ..
> >
> > i've lost where the email was now, but in one of the recent long but
> > excellent threads someone (apologies to whomever raised the idea for
> > forgetting who it was :/) suggested "KDE Development Framework" instead of
> > "KDE Development Platform"
> >
> > i think we should really consider taking that name before we bake
> > "Development Platform" into an actual release.
> >
> > it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
> > mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
> > "Platform".
> >
> > can we get consensus on this?
> >
>
> haha, iirc I suggested it jokingly *because* of "Qt Development Frameworks".
> do I have to watch what crazy names I suggest too, now? ;)
>
> still... it does fit, doesn't it? +1 from me then :)
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Re: dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-26T22:14:43Z

On November 26, 2009 21:27:45 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

haha, iirc I suggested it jokingly *because* of "Qt Development Frameworks".
do I have to watch what crazy names I suggest too, now? ;)

still... it does fit, doesn't it? +1 from me then :)

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Re: kde stickers

2009-11-26T21:35:43Z

Hi Nuno,

Do you have the sources for the new "I am KDE, We are KDE" image or a
vector formatted version, so that we can scale it as per our needs?
Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

Pradeepto

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Hi,

I have some little budget left, and I would like to make some more
stickers/banners. I already have KDE logo stickers. But I have some
questions -

1. is it still fine to use the "Be Free" artwork? ( since we are in
re-branding phase and have new "I am KDE, We are KDE" catch phrase )

2. is there a link where I could get larger image of "I am KDE, We
are KDE" artwork.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!

Pradeepto
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dev platform - dev framework ..?

2009-11-26T21:27:45Z

hi all ..

i've lost where the email was now, but in one of the recent long but excellent
threads someone (apologies to whomever raised the idea for forgetting who it
was :/) suggested "KDE Development Framework" instead of "KDE Development
Platform"

i think we should really consider taking that name before we bake "Development
Platform" into an actual release.

it aligns nicely with Qt Development Frameworks (as the original poster
mentioned) and it is both a bit more hip and a bit less ambiguous than
"Platform".

can we get consensus on this?

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T21:25:27Z

On November 26, 2009, Friedrich W. H. Kossebau wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Vendredi, le 27 novembre 2009, à 04:46, Justin Kirby a écrit:
> > Ah ok. I didn't realize all those core workspace components always
> > carried the same release version number as the main release.
>
> No, they don't always do.
>
> E.g. Dolphin will be only at 1.4 in the, oh well ;) , SC 4.4
>
> BTW: There are still places where it says KDE if referring to the Platform:
> See e.g. About Dolphin dialog:
> "Using KDE 4.3.80 (KDE 4.3.80 (KDE 4.4 Beta1))"
> Or "dolphin -v" gives:
> Qt: 4.6.0
> KDE: 4.3.80 (KDE 4.3.80 (KDE 4.4 Beta1))
> Dolphin: 1.3.80
>
> Should be fixed by someone who feels to be able to. I now rather feel a big
> need for bedtime...

i'll take care of these tomorrow; may need to apply for a string freeze
violation approval, but i'll get it done.

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T21:24:12Z

On November 26, 2009, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> We will, no doubt, describe things somewhat differently in the next cycle,
> but I don't think our top level branding is affected by this. We did have
> a plasma-netbook package that people could install and I think we will
> split out plasma-desktop with 4.4. Other than this, I think the rebranding
> mostly affects how we talk about things and not the technical structure of
> our packages.

+1

> I do think we are taking this rebranding decision seriously. I expect
> we'll be back for more advice when we get closer to release and are
> developing our descriptions of the release.

hopefully we'll have good answers; and when we don't, we can fill the gaps
together. :)

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T21:22:59Z

On November 26, 2009, Nathan Ogden wrote:
> On 11/26/2009 03:47 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > To kick off the pitch:
> > "OpenSUSE 11.3 comes with either GNOME 3.0 or Plasma Desktop 4.4 and
> > many applications like the GIMP 2.10, Amarok 2.3.3, F-Spot, Digikam
> > and many more"
>
> Question - Would it be too soon to refer to just "Plasma Deskto X.x"
> right now? Should we use "KDE Plasma Desktop X.x" as a sort of
> transition phrase instead of dropping the KDE part cold turkey?

depends on the context. it will always be "KDE Plasma desktop" just like it's
"Toyota Prius sedan", but there will be times we can shorten it to just
"Plasmas desktop". in the above case, if it's a formal communication it would
probably be better to say "GNOME 3.0 or the KDE Plasma Desktop 4.4" imho

> > "Mandriva ships the latest GNOME and KDE applications like Plasma
> > Desktop 4.4, GIMP 2.10 etc etc"
> >
> > Or:
> > "Ubuntu is a cutting edge distribution with a choice between GNOME,
> > Plasma Desktop or Plasma Netbook on separate live CD's. We ship the
> > latest version - the KDE workspaces and applications are at 4.4.2,
> > GNOME is at 3.0.1."
>
> What about replacing "KDE workspaces" with "KDE Plasma workspaces"?
> Would that help with the clarity for general users?

hm... i think it's a good idea to keep that flexibility there in case we
diversify the workspaces (happened twice in the past already: kpanel + kfm +
kwm -> kicker + kdesktop + kwin -> plasma +kwin)

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T20:22:01Z

Hi,

Vendredi, le 27 novembre 2009, à 04:46, Justin Kirby a écrit:
> Ah ok. I didn't realize all those core workspace components always
> carried the same release version number as the main release.

No, they don't always do.

E.g. Dolphin will be only at 1.4 in the, oh well ;) , SC 4.4

BTW: There are still places where it says KDE if referring to the Platform:
See e.g. About Dolphin dialog:
"Using KDE 4.3.80 (KDE 4.3.80 (KDE 4.4 Beta1))"
Or "dolphin -v" gives:
Qt: 4.6.0
KDE: 4.3.80 (KDE 4.3.80 (KDE 4.4 Beta1))
Dolphin: 1.3.80

Should be fixed by someone who feels to be able to. I now rather feel a big
need for bedtime...

Cheers
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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T19:46:26Z

Ah ok. I didn't realize all those core workspace components always
carried the same release version number as the main release.

On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Chani <chanika@...> wrote:

>
>>> To kick off the pitch:
>>> "OpenSUSE 11.3 comes with either GNOME 3.0 or Plasma Desktop 4.4 and
>>> many applications like the GIMP 2.10, Amarok 2.3.3, F-Spot, Digikam
>>> and many more"
>>>
>>> Or:
>>> "Mandriva ships the latest GNOME and KDE applications like Plasma
>>> Desktop 4.4, GIMP 2.10 etc etc"
>>>
>>> Or:
>>> "Ubuntu is a cutting edge distribution with a choice between GNOME,
>>> Plasma Desktop or Plasma Netbook on separate live CD's. We ship the
>>> latest version - the KDE workspaces and applications are at 4.4.2,
>>> GNOME is at 3.0.1."
>>>
>>> How about those?
>>
>> Wait wait wait...I agree in principle with most of the wording here
>> but I'm
>> not sure about saying "Plasma Desktop 4.4". Maybe I'm confused but I
>> thought 4.4 (as in our next day where we release a bunch of new
>> software in
>> unison) referred to the KDE Software Compilation and isn't really
>> directly
>> associated with the Plasma Desktop. Doesn't the Plasma Desktop
>> have its
>> own version number as that is only part of the overall Software
>> Compilation?
>
> konq 4.4, kwin 4.4... isn't that how we've always done it? we
> release a bunch
> of kde stuff and give all of it the same version number.
>
>
> distros, though... their installers usually provide not just the
> workspace,
> but a whole bunch of apps too, and give a choice between mostly-
> gnome (with
> gnome workspace) or mostly-kde (with the workspace formerly known as
> kde ;)
>
> which is probably where a good part of that "kde apps only run in kde"
> misconception comes from.
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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T19:28:57Z

> > To kick off the pitch:
> > "OpenSUSE 11.3 comes with either GNOME 3.0 or Plasma Desktop 4.4 and
> > many applications like the GIMP 2.10, Amarok 2.3.3, F-Spot, Digikam
> > and many more"
> >
> > Or:
> > "Mandriva ships the latest GNOME and KDE applications like Plasma
> > Desktop 4.4, GIMP 2.10 etc etc"
> >
> > Or:
> > "Ubuntu is a cutting edge distribution with a choice between GNOME,
> > Plasma Desktop or Plasma Netbook on separate live CD's. We ship the
> > latest version - the KDE workspaces and applications are at 4.4.2,
> > GNOME is at 3.0.1."
> >
> > How about those?
>
> Wait wait wait...I agree in principle with most of the wording here but I'm
> not sure about saying "Plasma Desktop 4.4". Maybe I'm confused but I
> thought 4.4 (as in our next day where we release a bunch of new software in
> unison) referred to the KDE Software Compilation and isn't really directly
> associated with the Plasma Desktop. Doesn't the Plasma Desktop have its
> own version number as that is only part of the overall Software
> Compilation?

konq 4.4, kwin 4.4... isn't that how we've always done it? we release a bunch
of kde stuff and give all of it the same version number.

distros, though... their installers usually provide not just the workspace,
but a whole bunch of apps too, and give a choice between mostly-gnome (with
gnome workspace) or mostly-kde (with the workspace formerly known as kde ;)

which is probably where a good part of that "kde apps only run in kde"
misconception comes from.

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T18:54:10Z

On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:47:11 +0100 Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@...>
wrote:
>Or:
>"Ubuntu is a cutting edge distribution with a choice between GNOME,
>Plasma Desktop or Plasma Netbook on separate live CD's. We ship the
>latest version - the KDE workspaces and applications are at 4.4.2,
>GNOME is at 3.0.1."

Within the Ubuntu project, the Gnome and KDE elements are already
separately branded as Ubuntu and Kubuntu with individual release
announcements. In our last cycle, with KDE 4.3, we had both Kubuntu and
Kubuntu Netbook (the latter as a tech preview).

We will, no doubt, describe things somewhat differently in the next cycle,
but I don't think our top level branding is affected by this. We did have
a plasma-netbook package that people could install and I think we will
split out plasma-desktop with 4.4. Other than this, I think the rebranding
mostly affects how we talk about things and not the technical structure of
our packages.

I do think we are taking this rebranding decision seriously. I expect
we'll be back for more advice when we get closer to release and are
developing our descriptions of the release.

Scott K

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T18:05:12Z

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@...> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Nathan Ogden <nathanogden76@...> wrote:
> Regarding the example given above, I'll make this comment. Since most of
> these conversations right now would be concerning the desktop version as
> opposed to the netbook version, I propose we use KDE Plasma Desktop to
> replace KDE X.x. I would assume we would want to add the version number,
> too. I think we could treat this similar to the way Canonical does with
> Ubuntu/Kubuntu and Ubunut Netbook Remix. Most of the time, people say
> Ubuntu/Kubuntu because they are talking about the desktop. They say Ubuntu
> Netbook Remix when referring to the netbook.
>
> Regarding the boilerplate language in general, if someone can give me some
> more specifics, I might be able to come up with something soon. I have some
> time off through the end of the week. For specifics, I am referring to
> things such as 1) what kinds of situations (release notes, installation
> media terminology, person-to-person, etc.) are we focusing on right now?, 2)
> are we just concerned with the wording for the brand (KDE Plasma Desktop) or
> are we also wanting to give all the wording for the whole conversation they
> may have?

I agree with your point. Generally, one should refer to what currently
often is named "KDE 4.x" as "KDE Plasma Desktop 4.x" or just "Plasma
Desktop 4.x".

So indeed, it would be a choice between:

- Gnome
- KDE Plasma Desktop
- KDE Plasma Netbook

- KDE Plasma Mediacenter

+1 on this part

To kick off the pitch:
"OpenSUSE 11.3 comes with either GNOME 3.0 or Plasma Desktop 4.4 and
many applications like the GIMP 2.10, Amarok 2.3.3, F-Spot, Digikam
and many more"

Or:
"Mandriva ships the latest GNOME and KDE applications like Plasma
Desktop 4.4, GIMP 2.10 etc etc"

Or:
"Ubuntu is a cutting edge distribution with a choice between GNOME,
Plasma Desktop or Plasma Netbook on separate live CD's. We ship the
latest version - the KDE workspaces and applications are at 4.4.2,
GNOME is at 3.0.1."

How about those?

Wait wait wait...I agree in principle with most of the wording here but I'm not sure about saying "Plasma Desktop 4.4". Maybe I'm confused but I thought 4.4 (as in our next day where we release a bunch of new software in unison) referred to the KDE Software Compilation and isn't really directly associated with the Plasma Desktop. Doesn't the Plasma Desktop have its own version number as that is only part of the overall Software Compilation?

If all agree, the text above might be a good start for the page Aaron
and Stu suggested. I'm sure Nathan can come up with a few more and we
can brainstorm to see whether it solves all communication cases that
might arise. Be sure to add the stuff about the choice. Once we are
done, let's please communicate the existence of this page to the
distributions - again, Nathan, feeling up to that? Stu has had his 5
minutes of fame for now, he's probably still stoned after being called
'royal', so it's your turn now ;-)

Re: Fwd: [Campkde-organizers] Release event invite list

2009-11-26T17:49:16Z

Stuart, and all,

Google Doc seemed easiest and most appropriate for now given the privacy of the people on the list. I created one out of Troy's spreadsheet and shared it with everyone on the promo list. Let me know if you didn't get access for some reason and would like it.

-Justin

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Stuart Jarvis <stuart.jarvis@...> wrote:

On Wednesday 25 November 2009 10:04:24 Sebastian Kügler wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 November 2009 10:46:52 Claudia Rauch wrote:
> > 009/11/25 Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@...>:
> > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Justin Kirby <justin@...>
wrote:
> > >> Just saw this email from Troy circulating on the campkde organizers
> > >> list.
> > >>
> > >> Should we try importing this into google docs or something and using
> > >> it as a starting point for contacting people for Camp KDE?
> > >
> > > Or maybe use the wiki, I dunno. Either way, good idea - it's on the
> > > task page that we need to do this.
> >
> > As this list contains email addresses, making it public in a wiki is
> > not a good idea. Also, can we please coordinate more who is contacting
> > whom, so that we make sure nobody gets spammed by us?
>
> Same goes for *this* publically archived mailinglist...
>
> In general, please don't post contact information on public fora. You can
> use kde-ev- marketing@... for that.
>

How about having the list of contacts on the wiki (plus websites if applicable
but no email addresses) but with each one have the name of someone who has the
contact details? Then if someone wants to pick some of them up they just
request the contact details on this list (or private mail - reply with contact
addresses should be private mail).

Or we can just use Google docs.

Stu

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Re: "Powered by KDE" = :) or :( ?

2009-11-26T17:04:15Z

On Friday 27 November 2009 01:09:13 Bugs Bane wrote:
>
> Just trying to figure out the new rebranding thang. So for an app
> using kdelibs, would "Powered by KDE" be kosher? Is there a preferred
> (equally short) alternative?

At the marketing sprint we came up with the following options:

* Made with KDE technology
* Powered by KDE
* Free Software by KDE
* Built on the KDE platform
* Part of the KDE family

We'll do a poll on kde-apps.org to get some feedback what app developers
actually would want to use. We might end up with providing more than one
option.

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"Powered by KDE" = :) or :( ?

2009-11-26T16:09:13Z

Howdy kampers! ;-)

Just trying to figure out the new rebranding thang. So for an app
using kdelibs, would "Powered by KDE" be kosher? Is there a preferred
(equally short) alternative?

Thanks!

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Re: some boilerplate for our downstreams

2009-11-26T15:10:34Z

On 11/26/2009 03:47 PM, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Nathan Ogden <nathanogden76@...> wrote:
>
>> Regarding the example given above, I'll make this comment. Since most of
>> these conversations right now would be concerning the desktop version as
>> opposed to the netbook version, I propose we use KDE Plasma Desktop to
>> replace KDE X.x. I would assume we would want to add the version number,
>> too. I think we could treat this similar to the way Canonical does with
>> Ubuntu/Kubuntu and Ubunut Netbook Remix. Most of the time, people say
>> Ubuntu/Kubuntu because they are talking about the desktop. They say Ubuntu
>> Netbook Remix when referring to the netbook.
>>
>> Regarding the boilerplate language in general, if someone can give me some
>> more specifics, I might be able to come up with something soon. I have some
>> time off through the end of the week. For specifics, I am referring to
>> things such as 1) what kinds of situations (release notes, installation
>> media terminology, person-to-person, etc.) are we focusing on right now?, 2)
>> are we just concerned with the wording for the brand (KDE Plasma Desktop) or
>> are we also wanting to give all the wording for the whole conversation they
>> may have?
>>
> I agree with your point. Generally, one should refer to what currently
> often is named "KDE 4.x" as "KDE Plasma Desktop 4.x" or just "Plasma
> Desktop 4.x".
>
> So indeed, it would be a choice between:
> - Gnome
> - KDE Plasma Desktop
> - KDE Plasma Netbook
> - KDE Plasma Mediacenter
>
> To kick off the pitch:
> "OpenSUSE 11.3 comes with either GNOME 3.0 or Plasma Desktop 4.4 and
> many applications like the GIMP 2.10, Amarok 2.3.3, F-Spot, Digikam
> and many more"
>

Question - Would it be too soon to refer to just "Plasma Deskto X.x"
right now? Should we use "KDE Plasma Desktop X.x" as a sort of
transition phrase instead of dropping the KDE part cold turkey?

> Or:
> "Mandriva ships the latest GNOME and KDE applications like Plasma
> Desktop 4.4, GIMP 2.10 etc etc"
>
> Or:
> "Ubuntu is a cutting edge distribution with a choice between GNOME,
> Plasma Desktop or Plasma Netbook on separate live CD's. We ship the
> latest version - the KDE workspaces and applications are at 4.4.2,
> GNOME is at 3.0.1."
>

What about replacing "KDE workspaces" with "KDE Plasma workspaces"?
Would that help with the clarity for general users?

> How about those?
>
> If all agree, the text above might be a good start for the page Aaron
> and Stu suggested. I'm sure Nathan can come up with a few more and we
> can brainstorm to see whether it solves all communication cases that
> might arise. Be sure to add the stuff about the choice. Once we are
> done, let's please communicate the existence of this page to the
> distributions - again, Nathan, feeling up to that? Stu has had his 5
> minutes of fame for now, he's probably still stoned after being called
> 'royal', so it's your turn now ;-)
>

Oh, sure. Fame and glory - that's what it's all about! :-) I'll start
with the use cases that are still left to be done. We'll see where it
goes from there (time available, etc.)

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Re: [Campkde-organizers] More Camp KDE promotion ideas

2009-11-26T15:07:56Z

I started a wiki page to generalize what we've come up with in this thread for use on other events. I tried to build it as a child of http://community.kde.org/Promo/Strategy (the link is there at least) but the URL is http://community.kde.org/Hosting_a_KDE_event and I'm not sure how to get it to the right place. Can someone lend a hand (or better) tell me how to fix this? Also, some parts of the page are better fleshed out than others so please feel free to hack away at the content there.

Thanks!
Justin

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Roger Pixley <skreech2@...> wrote:

Technically if you put a ! for a group in identi.ca and have that forwarded to your twitter account identi.ca is smart enough to convert it into a #. also a ! doubles instantly as a # for identi.ca's purposes (auto tag!)

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Jeff Mitchell <mitchell@...> wrote:

Justin Kirby wrote:
> A) Social networking
>
> A1) I'm in the process of utilizing any channel I can find to announce
> the Camp KDE event in social networks. Jeff has already setup something
> on Identi.ca but later mentioned just using the !CampKDE (I think that
> was the tag?) seems to be more logical.

Well, using #CampKDE the tag. The problem is that people won't get
!CampKDE notices if they're not following the group. They won't get the
tag either, but if you have use one or the other while also posting to
!kde or !linux or some such thing, which one makes more sense? (!CampKDE
is also meaningless on Twitter, so if we're trying to send notices to
both, might as well use #CampKDE...right?)

> I think that makes lots of
> sense, and if possible, would like to send out notices via
> Identi.ca/Twitter any time we have a new confirmed speaker/talk. Is
> there anyone here who has access to that information so I can do this?

As already mentioned, I do. But since this won't be happening until
after I get back (the submission deadline is December 5th) there's no
need to rush.

> C) The "I'm going to Camp KDE" thing Leo did is really cool. Will be
> posting my blog entry on the planet sometime in the next couple days
> utilizing that. Thanks Leo!

A while back -- like, two months ago, and then a month ago, and then
three weeks ago, and then a week ago -- I asked Eugene to create "I'm
going to Camp KDE!" badges for blogs, similar to the ones used for
Akademy. Finally Eugene did do some artistry for it, which turned into
the Plasma applet that Leo made, but I haven't heard anything back from
Eugene about a static badge for blogs. I recommend pestering him.

> One final note...I was wondering if we did a survey last year of the
> actual participants to get feedback on the meeting. I think it would be
> really cool to know from the people that actually show up a) did they
> enjoy it?

Yes. :-)

> b) what were their favorite parts of the meeting?

The laid-back attitude and the beach. The latter part is why learning
about the extra half hour each way of transport to the venue has me
really stressed out -- last year people ditched talks to go swimming,
which was very noticeable in such a small conference (and IMHO very
unprofessional). I worry about people not showing up in the morning,
leaving after lunch, and/or simply not showing up to the venue at all
(especially for the BoF/Lightning Talks days. I'm actually considering
whether we should simply move the hacking times to the hostel, since
people would probably rather stay there so they can peel off and
swim/play frisbee/whatever beach activities when they need a break.)

Did Claudia yet contact any of you about calling up bus lines to see how
much a coach would cost?

> c) how did
> they hear about the camp

We posted on Dot, on blogs, and...that's about it. We didn't have much
in the way of promo -- it was too new and too small.

> and d) what made them choose to come?

The location. I know of several people who told me in the past that they
wouldn't come to a Camp in the U.S. either because they had
philosophical reasons for not traveling there (silly, and presumably
gone with Obama in the office) or mainly because they'd been to the U.S.
before but had never been to Jamaica, so it was a good excuse to go to a
new country.

> Metrics like that would be invaluable for determining what worked and
> what didn't both in the meeting itself and in the promotion efforts
> leading up to the Camp. If something doesn't already exist please let
> me know and I will draft something up.

Do feel free to send a survey around -- this is just the feedback that I
got.

Another task for anyone interested -- look into where we could go on our
day trip. There are a decent number of breweries, there's the world
famous San Diego Zoo (but hard to keep people in a cohesive group
there), and there is ...?

--Jeff

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Re: KDE on Windows release dates

2009-11-26T14:43:17Z

On November 26, 2009, Stuart Jarvis wrote:
> If Windows builds follow a little later than the main SC release (more
> likely for the major releases?) then we could run a short dot article on
> those when they're ready.

and if we have a heads-up on even approximately when they will be ready, we
can include a "Microsoft Windows binaries are expected to ship within <time
period>"

and s,Microsoft Windows,MacOS,g

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