tag:old.nabble.com,2006:forum-6545Nabble - kde-usability2009-12-23T01:58:58Zkde-usability home is <a href="http://www.kde.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26900118Re: [KDE Usability] tab handling inconsistency2009-12-23T01:58:58Z2009-12-23T01:58:58ZBugzilla from cannewilson@googlemail.comOn Tuesday 22 December 2009 20:07:56 Shaun Reich wrote:
<br>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Anne Wilson <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26900118&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cannewilson@...</a>>
<br>wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> > On Monday 21 December 2009 21:21:26 Shaun Reich wrote:
<br>> >> > Is there any reason preventing choosing one way to do it and
<br>> >> > implementing it across all three apps?
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Not that I can see...
<br>> >>
<br>> >> If anything, the Konqueror case would probably be the greatest reason
<br>> >> to not change, as I suppose there are some people that like the tab
<br>> >> copying(?). In which case, I don't see a reason why KTabBar could not
<br>> >> be modified so that the user could e.g. hold Ctrl while dragging the
<br>> >> tab to duplicate it.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> >The Konqueror method seems to
<br>> >> > be the most recent; besides being a kdelibs class does anyone remember
<br>> >> > why it was used?
<br>> >>
<br>> >> I think that the Konqueror method was based off the already-introduced
<br>> >> middle mouse button tab dragging, so then they probably thought: with
<br>> >> that introduced, we could make it copy tabs on left button dragging -
<br>> >> why not, the button isn't used anyways...and it wasn't..iirc,
<br>> >> applications *only* used middle mouse tab dragging, left would not do
<br>> >> anything in regular scenarios.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Correct me if I am wrong, of course.
<br>> >
<br>> > Interesting. Middle-button dragging in konqueror does not work here, and
<br>> > copying tabs, when I already have 15+ open, is, frankly, a pain, but
<br>> > seems to be the only way I can get two tabs to be adjacent. If there
<br>> > really *is* a move option, it's certainly well-hidden.
<br>> >
<br>>
<br>> Looks like someone broke it recently(in kdelibs), I think there was an
<br>> issue before... you can see that the cursor changes when you hold the
<br>> middle click..the cursor is supposed to change to something that looks
<br>> like a cross...this was likely accidental, as we were trying to
<br>> preserve the behaviour and had to do some work to do so.
<br>>
</div>I updated to 4.3.85 yesterday, and see some change. Now the cursor does look
</div>like a Move cross, but there seems to be no way to drop it between existing
<br>tabs, or after the whole group. Dropping it on a tab replaces the content of
<br>that tab.
<br><br>OK, I can wait for the functionality to be fixed, and meanwhile, I know what
<br>to tell people if the question comes up on MLs etc. Thanks for answering. It
<br>helps a lot.
<br><br>Anne
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<br>> issue before...
<br>For what it's worth:
<br>The bug report about the "tab moving not working" is here:
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Monday 21 December 2009 21:21:26 Shaun Reich wrote:
<br>>> > Is there any reason preventing choosing one way to do it and
<br>>> > implementing it across all three apps?
<br>>>
<br>>> Not that I can see...
<br>>>
<br>>> If anything, the Konqueror case would probably be the greatest reason
<br>>> to not change, as I suppose there are some people that like the tab
<br>>> copying(?). In which case, I don't see a reason why KTabBar could not
<br>>> be modified so that the user could e.g. hold Ctrl while dragging the
<br>>> tab to duplicate it.
<br>>>
<br>>> >The Konqueror method seems to
<br>>> > be the most recent; besides being a kdelibs class does anyone remember
<br>>> > why it was used?
<br>>>
<br>>> I think that the Konqueror method was based off the already-introduced
<br>>> middle mouse button tab dragging, so then they probably thought: with
<br>>> that introduced, we could make it copy tabs on left button dragging -
<br>>> why not, the button isn't used anyways...and it wasn't..iirc,
<br>>> applications *only* used middle mouse tab dragging, left would not do
<br>>> anything in regular scenarios.
<br>>>
<br>>> Correct me if I am wrong, of course.
<br>>>
<br>> Interesting. Middle-button dragging in konqueror does not work here, and
<br>> copying tabs, when I already have 15+ open, is, frankly, a pain, but seems to
<br>> be the only way I can get two tabs to be adjacent. If there really *is* a
<br>> move option, it's certainly well-hidden.
<br>>
<br>> Anne
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</div><br>Looks like someone broke it recently(in kdelibs), I think there was an
<br>issue before... you can see that the cursor changes when you hold the
<br>middle click..the cursor is supposed to change to something that looks
<br>like a cross...this was likely accidental, as we were trying to
<br>preserve the behaviour and had to do some work to do so.
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> > Is there any reason preventing choosing one way to do it and
<br>> > implementing it across all three apps?
<br>>
<br>> Not that I can see...
<br>>
<br>> If anything, the Konqueror case would probably be the greatest reason
<br>> to not change, as I suppose there are some people that like the tab
<br>> copying(?). In which case, I don't see a reason why KTabBar could not
<br>> be modified so that the user could e.g. hold Ctrl while dragging the
<br>> tab to duplicate it.
<br>>
<br>> >The Konqueror method seems to
<br>> > be the most recent; besides being a kdelibs class does anyone remember
<br>> > why it was used?
<br>>
<br>> I think that the Konqueror method was based off the already-introduced
<br>> middle mouse button tab dragging, so then they probably thought: with
<br>> that introduced, we could make it copy tabs on left button dragging -
<br>> why not, the button isn't used anyways...and it wasn't..iirc,
<br>> applications *only* used middle mouse tab dragging, left would not do
<br>> anything in regular scenarios.
<br>>
<br>> Correct me if I am wrong, of course.
<br>>
</div>Interesting. Middle-button dragging in konqueror does not work here, and
</div>copying tabs, when I already have 15+ open, is, frankly, a pain, but seems to
<br>be the only way I can get two tabs to be adjacent. If there really *is* a
<br>move option, it's certainly well-hidden.
<br><br>Anne
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<br>> > The realignment looks great. Do you know if there will be any issues with how the device strings will translate? Will the column expand or the label wrap?
<br>> >
<br>> > Mute toggle. Generally modal toggles that change like this can get confusing (is it on to turn on or on to turn off? then you add a level of complexity when the button actually changes). However, if an option is toggled to mute, can you also disable the slider? I think that will make the mute option make more sense immediately.
<br>> >
<br>> > Capture cannot be disabled?
<br>> >
<br>> > Finally, the old mixer had ticks on the slider so you had a general idea of where the selection is. I don't think we need as many ticks as in the original, but at least 0/50/100.
<br><br>Thanks for you feedback.
<br><br>a) yes, the alignment was the main thing, that I wanted to fix. As you see in the screenshot the "mic boost" column wraps. Then all the sliders are aligned, as if all columns had two label-lines (same thing for 1,2,3,4,.. lines). The code was already there in kmix, but it did not work anymore with qt4 I think.
<br><br>b) I really could not stand the checkbox with the mute-label. It also was an alignment mess and clustered the gui. But if you look at most media-players, the user should be familiar with mute-toggle-buttons. There are still issues with "miss-use" of the mute-button, for example in the screenshot for mic-boost. But this is a lower-level thing.
<br><br>c) Capture can be toggled/selected by clicking on the LED on top.
<br><br>d) sliders can still be configured in the kmix-settings.
<br><br>I did not look much at the lower-level code of kmix until now. I think there is also much room for improvement.
<br><br><br>- Cyberbeat
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<br>> (Updated 2009-12-05 15:15:44)
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Review request for usability.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Summary
<br>> -------
<br>>
<br>> kmix layout was a mess. some layout-things simply did not work for qt-4 anymore.
<br>>
<br>> This is not meant for commit yet, but as an idea and foundation to build upon:
<br>>
<br>> - mixer-elements are correct vertically aligned and have equal width
<br>> - no text for mute/record. still to decide if to use toggle-buttons or LEDs. I experimented with both. There are cases where a mute-symbol does not fit the meaning of the "mute"-control.
<br>> - selection-elements on the right are now top-aligned
<br>>
<br>> Perhaps someone has motivation to improve this further. Would be a pitty if this rotts on my harddisk. kmix really still needs much work to make it usable.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Diffs
<br>> -----
<br>>
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/CMakeLists.txt 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/mdwenum.cpp 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/mdwslider.h 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/mdwslider.cpp 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/pics/CMakeLists.txt 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/viewsliders.h 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/viewsliders.cpp 1059019
<br>>
<br>> Diff: <a href="http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/diff" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/diff</a><br>>
<br>>
<br>> Testing
<br>> -------
<br>>
<br>> works for me. love it much more than before.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Screenshots
<br>> -----------
<br>>
<br>> Kmix in action
<br>> <a href="http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/s/273/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/s/273/</a><br>>
<br>>
<br>> Thanks,
<br>>
<br>> Cyberbeat
<br>>
<br>>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Peter Penz <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26880579&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">peter.penz@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> > Dolphin uses the standard Qt mechanism for tab handling (QTabWidget),
<br>> > which is > available since Qt 4.4. If I remember correctly from some old
<br>> > mail threads: Konqueror uses KTabWidget, which offers a custom way for
<br>> > moving tabs (this was >required for Qt versions < Qt 4.4). Konsole
<br>> > implemented a custom way of moving >tabs since KDE 4.0 (4.1?).
<br>>
<br>> Well..you meant QTabbar really, as Dolphin doesn't use a tab widget -
<br>> can't speak for Konqueror, but I have a feeling it is the same.
<br>>
<br>> It's not QTabBar - Dolphin and Konqueror use the K equivalents. By the
<br>> way, It was Qt 4.5 that introduced the way that Dolphin currently
<br>> behaves, with respect to tabs(invoked by QTabBar::setMovable())
</div><br>Thanks for the good summary, of course you are right and I mixed up some
<br>things ;-)
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<br>> implementing it across all three apps?
<br><br>Not that I can see...
<br><br>If anything, the Konqueror case would probably be the greatest reason
<br>to not change, as I suppose there are some people that like the tab
<br>copying(?). In which case, I don't see a reason why KTabBar could not
<br>be modified so that the user could e.g. hold Ctrl while dragging the
<br>tab to duplicate it.
<br><br><br>>The Konqueror method seems to
<br>> be the most recent; besides being a kdelibs class does anyone remember
<br>> why it was used?
<br><br>I think that the Konqueror method was based off the already-introduced
<br>middle mouse button tab dragging, so then they probably thought: with
<br>that introduced, we could make it copy tabs on left button dragging -
<br>why not, the button isn't used anyways...and it wasn't..iirc,
<br>applications *only* used middle mouse tab dragging, left would not do
<br>anything in regular scenarios.
<br><br>Correct me if I am wrong, of course.
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<br>> Dolphin uses the standard Qt mechanism for tab handling (QTabWidget), which is > available since Qt 4.4. If I remember correctly from some old mail threads:
<br>> Konqueror uses KTabWidget, which offers a custom way for moving tabs (this was >required for Qt versions < Qt 4.4). Konsole implemented a custom way of moving >tabs since KDE 4.0 (4.1?).
<br><br>Well..you meant QTabbar really, as Dolphin doesn't use a tab widget -
<br>can't speak for Konqueror, but I have a feeling it is the same.
<br><br>It's not QTabBar - Dolphin and Konqueror use the K equivalents. By the
<br>way, It was Qt 4.5 that introduced the way that Dolphin currently
<br>behaves, with respect to tabs(invoked by QTabBar::setMovable())
<br><br><br>I have disagreed with Konqueror's way of handling tabs since I was
<br>introduced to it, I have even filed a bug about it iirc ;p
<br><br>At Qt 4.5, Dolphin was changed to use the new, (neater looking too ;-)
<br>method for allowing dragging of tabs. KTabBar had already, for a
<br>while, it's own way to move tabs around..which I was not really
<br>satisfied with..
<br><br>KTabBar then had some functions deprecated, some modifications to
<br>support middle mouse button tab dragging also(so that it would look
<br>the same as left mouse dragging), and we made sure to preserve the
<br>konq behaviour.
<br><br>Personally, my opinion on the Konqueror way of dragging tabs...is that
<br>it is in fact, unintuitive. Should a user know that a tab has to be
<br>middle mouse dragged for the dragging to work and that left mouse
<br>dragging copies the tab? Some people don't even have middle mouse
<br>buttons or if they do, they hate using them (laptops can be a pain..or
<br>just crappy mouses).
<br><br>I'm not sure I understand how many people, on average, would want to
<br>*copy* a tab instead of dragging it...seems rather out of the
<br>ordinary, application windows don't make a copy of themselves when you
<br>drag them with the left mouse ;-)
<br><br>With Konsole..their tab dragging was great before Qt 4.5, as it was
<br>the only application that had tab dragging that was somewhat
<br>rewarding..all of the others tended to be kind of boring and
<br>buggy/weird when it came to that.
<br><br>As for having Konsole use the new functionality, I don't see why it
<br>shouldn't, unless there are some specific cases it needs to address
<br>yet the other does not.
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<br><br>For 4.4 I added an assistant to KGet that creates Metalinks but I'm far from
<br>happy with its usability, so it would be great if you could give me feedback
<br>on it so that I can improve it for 4.5.
<br>I have some ideas already, but I wanna avoid posting them for now as I want to
<br>check their feasibility first and don't want to influence your ideas.
<br><br>But first you have to know what Metalinks are for and what this assistant is
<br>for.
<br>Metalinks are like torrent-files, they contain information about a download
<br>and pointers to different sources for that download. Thus opening Metalink can
<br>create a download with multiple files that can have multiple sources each,
<br>like many mirrors or torrent-files etc. A Metalink can also contain
<br>information about the files, like checksums for verification/repair purposes,
<br>signatures etc. Information that helps to make sure a download worked is used
<br>by KGet automatically, so users don't have to think about it. Metalinks can
<br>contain information about themselves, like when they have been created or
<br>updated, or where updated versions of that Metalink (e.g. containing the most
<br>recent KDE release) can be downloaded.
<br><br>So that is what Metalinks are about, the normal KGet-user simply opens these
<br>files with KGet, chooses which files to download and is done. The Metalink
<br>creator though is an assistant to create such Metalinks, e.g. to make it
<br>easier for people visiting your website to download your software or whatever.
<br>You could categorize it as admin-tool.
<br>You can find the Metalink creator in the file menu.
<br><br><br><br>The following screenshots show the metalink-creator in action -- alternatively
<br>you can skip the screenshots only read the text and use the Metalink-creator
<br>itself.
<br><br><a href="http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/218/26084707.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/218/26084707.png</a><br>1. The introduction page, here the user has to choose a saving-location and
<br>name and can also decide if the metalink should be based on an existing one
<br><br><a href="http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1821/29321400.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1821/29321400.png</a><br>2. Optional information. Origin is the place the metalink can be found on the
<br>web, if dynamic is set updated versions will be found at origin.
<br><br><a href="http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/560/54309863.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/560/54309863.png</a><br>3. The heart of the metalink creator, here you have to add at least one file
<br>that has at least one mirror. For this there are three ways.
<br><br><a href="http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5858/97895520.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5858/97895520.png</a><br>3.1 Pressing "Add" is the most complicated one, here the user has to enter
<br>everything manually.
<br><br><a href="http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9338/311z.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9338/311z.png</a><br>3.1.1 The user has to enter the name and at least one mirror
<br><br><a href="http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5416/312l.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5416/312l.png</a><br>3.1.2 The user should add the filesize in bytes and checksums
<br><br><a href="http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3893/313q.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/3893/313q.png</a><br>3.1.3 here you see optional information the user could add, but that is not
<br>that important
<br><br>3.2 Drag and dropping files into the dialog or pressing "Add local files" adds
<br>local files.
<br><br><a href="http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4152/321c.png" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4152/321c.png</a><br>3.2.1 The user can add mirrors already here. Imagine you added two files
<br>"a.zip" and "b.zip" both reside on your server in the same directory
<br>"<a href="http://example.com/files/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://example.com/files/</a>", so you add the mirror
<br>"<a href="http://example.com/files/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://example.com/files/</a>", if the files weren't in the same directory then
<br>you should not entere a mirror here (some exceptions exist). The user can also
<br>decide to create checksums automatically for all the files.
<br>3.2.2 Optional is the same as 3.1.3 but in this case for all the
<br>dropped/opened files
<br><br><br>Ok, so this is what the metalink-creator will look like in 4.4. It would be
<br>great if you could help me improve it for 4.5
<br><br><br>Thanks for reading,
<br>matthias
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<br><br><br>The realignment looks great. Do you know if there will be any issues with how the device strings will translate? Will the column expand or the label wrap?
<br><br>Mute toggle. Generally modal toggles that change like this can get confusing (is it on to turn on or on to turn off? then you add a level of complexity when the button actually changes). However, if an option is toggled to mute, can you also disable the slider? I think that will make the mute option make more sense immediately.
<br><br>Capture cannot be disabled?
<br><br>Finally, the old mixer had ticks on the slider so you had a general idea of where the selection is. I don't think we need as many ticks as in the original, but at least 0/50/100.
<br><br>- Celeste Lyn
<br><br><br>On 2009-12-05 15:15:44, Cyberbeat wrote:
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<br>> (Updated 2009-12-05 15:15:44)
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Review request for usability.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Summary
<br>> -------
<br>>
<br>> kmix layout was a mess. some layout-things simply did not work for qt-4 anymore.
<br>>
<br>> This is not meant for commit yet, but as an idea and foundation to build upon:
<br>>
<br>> - mixer-elements are correct vertically aligned and have equal width
<br>> - no text for mute/record. still to decide if to use toggle-buttons or LEDs. I experimented with both. There are cases where a mute-symbol does not fit the meaning of the "mute"-control.
<br>> - selection-elements on the right are now top-aligned
<br>>
<br>> Perhaps someone has motivation to improve this further. Would be a pitty if this rotts on my harddisk. kmix really still needs much work to make it usable.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Diffs
<br>> -----
<br>>
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/CMakeLists.txt 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/mdwenum.cpp 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/mdwslider.h 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/mdwslider.cpp 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/pics/CMakeLists.txt 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/viewsliders.h 1059019
<br>> branches/KDE/4.3/kdemultimedia/kmix/viewsliders.cpp 1059019
<br>>
<br>> Diff: <a href="http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/diff" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/diff</a><br>>
<br>>
<br>> Testing
<br>> -------
<br>>
<br>> works for me. love it much more than before.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Screenshots
<br>> -----------
<br>>
<br>> Kmix in action
<br>> <a href="http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/s/273/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/2328/s/273/</a><br>>
<br>>
<br>> Thanks,
<br>>
<br>> Cyberbeat
<br>>
<br>>
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hello Ralph,
<br>>
<br>>> Dear usability team,
<br>>>
<br>>> I just documented some inconsistency ind how apps handle tabs.
<br>>> Comparing Konqueror, Dolphin & Konsole I found 3 different
<br>>> methods how to
<br>>> organize tabs.
<br>>>
<br>>> Could someone please look over
<br>>> <a href="http://userbase.kde.org/User:RalphMW/tabbing" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://userbase.kde.org/User:RalphMW/tabbing</a><br>>> and possibly place it in a more appropriate place.
<br>>
<br>> I did not place it to a appropriate place, but probably can give some explaination about the root cause:
<br>>
<br>> Dolphin uses the standard Qt mechanism for tab handling (QTabWidget), which is available since Qt 4.4. If I remember correctly from some old mail threads: Konqueror uses KTabWidget, which offers a custom way for moving tabs (this was required for Qt versions < Qt 4.4). Konsole implemented a custom way of moving tabs since KDE 4.0 (4.1?).
</div><br>Is there any reason preventing choosing one way to do it and
<br>implementing it across all three apps? The Konqueror method seems to
<br>be the most recent; besides being a kdelibs class does anyone remember
<br>why it was used? I agree with Ralph that the method used in Dolphin
<br>(QTabWidget) has the best design/interaction method. Are there any
<br>reasons why QTabWidget could not be used in Konq and Konsole?
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> I've added the maintainers of Konqueror and Konsole to CC (I'm not sure if my information is 100 % correct...)
<br>>
<br>> Best regards,
<br>> Peter
<br>>
<br>>>
<br>>> Thank you very much
<br>>> and keep up the good work!
<br>>>
<br>>> Ralph.
<br>>> --
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Dear usability team,
<br>>
<br>> I just documented some inconsistency ind how apps handle tabs.
<br>> Comparing Konqueror, Dolphin & Konsole I found 3 different
<br>> methods how to
<br>> organize tabs.
<br>>
<br>> Could someone please look over
<br>> <a href="http://userbase.kde.org/User:RalphMW/tabbing" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://userbase.kde.org/User:RalphMW/tabbing</a>
<br>> and possibly place it in a more appropriate place.
</div><br>I did not place it to a appropriate place, but probably can give some explaination about the root cause:
<br><br>Dolphin uses the standard Qt mechanism for tab handling (QTabWidget), which is available since Qt 4.4. If I remember correctly from some old mail threads: Konqueror uses KTabWidget, which offers a custom way for moving tabs (this was required for Qt versions < Qt 4.4). Konsole implemented a custom way of moving tabs since KDE 4.0 (4.1?).
<br><br>I've added the maintainers of Konqueror and Konsole to CC (I'm not sure if my information is 100 % correct...)
<br><br>Best regards,
<br>Peter
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> Thank you very much
<br>> and keep up the good work!
<br>>
<br>> Ralph.
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<br><br>I just documented some inconsistency ind how apps handle tabs.
<br>Comparing Konqueror, Dolphin & Konsole I found 3 different methods how to
<br>organize tabs.
<br><br>Could someone please look over <a href="http://userbase.kde.org/User:RalphMW/tabbing" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://userbase.kde.org/User:RalphMW/tabbing</a>
<br>and possibly place it in a more appropriate place.
<br><br>Thank you very much
<br>and keep up the good work!
<br><br>Ralph.
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<br>> Hmm.. where does one get karaoke files from to test with?
<br><br>The package include a few songs, that should be installed at:
<br>`kde4-config --install data`/kmid2
<br>The four .kar files came from the old kmid, and I've added two new .mid files,
<br>created by me using Rosegarden. All six examples contain lyrics, but you can
<br>use kmid2 as a player for all kind of MIDI files, with the filename
<br>extensions .mid/.kar or anything else.
<br><br>There is well known search engine at <a href="http://www.vanbasco.com/midisearch.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.vanbasco.com/midisearch.html</a><br>You can also play the songs coming with VanBasco karaoke player (a free
<br>windows MIDI/Karaoke player) using kmid2. It is also possible to use VanBasco
<br>in Linux+Wine, if you want.
<br><br>More sites indexing many MIDI/Karaoke files: <a href="http://midikaraoke.com/songdir/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://midikaraoke.com/songdir/</a><br><a href="http://www.mididb.com/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mididb.com/</a><br><br>More places: I like the jazz songs played by Dough McKenzie. He has very good
<br>didactic material and a collection of hundreds of MIDI files, without lyrics,
<br>here: <a href="http://www.dougmckenzie.nl/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.dougmckenzie.nl/</a><br><br>For classic music MIDI files, there are thousands of sites all over Internet.
<br>For instance <a href="http://www.stringquartets.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.stringquartets.org</a> and <a href="http://www.bachcentral.com" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.bachcentral.com</a><br><br>The Choral Public Domain Library has sheet music and MIDI files, for choral
<br>music: <a href="http://www.cpdl.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpdl.org</a><br><br>Thanks for testing!
<br><br>Regards,
<br>Pedro
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
<br>> <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26865826&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">pedro.lopez.cabanillas@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> > Hi Celeste,
<br>> >
<br>> > On Friday, December 4, 2009, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote:
<br>> >> Hi Pedro,
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Any chance you can .deb package it? Compiling from source can be a
<br>> >> problem for some people (like me ;)
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ~ Celeste
<br>> >
<br>> > Sorry for the delay. I've finally created some 32- and 64-bit .deb
<br>> > packages for Ubuntu, with the help of the openSUSE build service and
<br>> > community. Warning: I've not tested all of them.
<br>> >
<br>> > * for Ubuntu 9.04
<br>> > <a href="http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.04&p=1&q=kmid2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.04&p=1&q=kmid2</a><br>> >
<br>> > * for Ubuntu 9.10
<br>> > <a href="http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.10&p=1&q=kmid2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.10&p=1&q=kmid2</a><br>> >
<br>> > I've also updated some links in userbase:
<br>> > <a href="http://userbase.kde.org/KMid2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://userbase.kde.org/KMid2</a><br>> >
<br>> > Regards,
<br>> > Pedro
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<br><br>On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
<br><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26865205&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">pedro.lopez.cabanillas@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi Celeste,
<br>>
<br>> On Friday, December 4, 2009, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote:
<br>>> Hi Pedro,
<br>>>
<br>>> Any chance you can .deb package it? Compiling from source can be a
<br>>> problem for some people (like me ;)
<br>>>
<br>>> ~ Celeste
<br>>
<br>> Sorry for the delay. I've finally created some 32- and 64-bit .deb packages
<br>> for Ubuntu, with the help of the openSUSE build service and community.
<br>> Warning: I've not tested all of them.
<br>>
<br>> * for Ubuntu 9.04
<br>> <a href="http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.04&p=1&q=kmid2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.04&p=1&q=kmid2</a><br>>
<br>> * for Ubuntu 9.10
<br>> <a href="http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.10&p=1&q=kmid2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.10&p=1&q=kmid2</a><br>>
<br>> I've also updated some links in userbase:
<br>> <a href="http://userbase.kde.org/KMid2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://userbase.kde.org/KMid2</a><br>>
<br>> Regards,
<br>> Pedro
<br>>
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<br>> about annoyances (in the beginning).
<br>>
<br><br>I cannot watch it right now, but I suggest that you file bug reports
<br>and feature requests on the parts that you do like. That is how legao
<br>reverse engineering works: the devs who do the implementation are
<br>never to see the original product. They only implement the features
<br>that those who have seen the original file.
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<br><br>On Friday, December 4, 2009, Celeste Lyn Paul wrote:
<br>> Hi Pedro,
<br>>
<br>> Any chance you can .deb package it? Compiling from source can be a
<br>> problem for some people (like me ;)
<br>>
<br>> ~ Celeste
<br><br>Sorry for the delay. I've finally created some 32- and 64-bit .deb packages
<br>for Ubuntu, with the help of the openSUSE build service and community.
<br>Warning: I've not tested all of them.
<br><br>* for Ubuntu 9.04
<br><a href="http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.04&p=1&q=kmid2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://software.opensuse.org/search?baseproject=Ubuntu%3A9.04&p=1&q=kmid2</a><br><br>* for Ubuntu 9.10
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<br>> 2009/11/4 Dotan Cohen <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26852524&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dotancohen@...</a>>:
<br>>> I was just introduced to this video:
<br>>> <a href="http://10gui.com/video/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://10gui.com/video/</a><br>>
<br>> On the subject of potentially useful videos, I found one called "Don't
<br>> Make Me Click". Definitely worth watching.
<br>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuELwq2ThJE&hl" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuELwq2ThJE&hl</a><br><br>Methinks people working on Oxygen should watch this... at least the part
<br>about annoyances (in the beginning).
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<br>> I agree, milliseconds is too detailed of information. Although, I
<br>> don't think I would have used the word "stupid" in the bug title, that
<br>> is a good way to get a developer to ignore the bug, regardless of how
<br>> much sense it makes to fix.
<br>>
<br>Ok, you're right on that :-) I've changed the bug title to "[...] showing way "too detailed" values" :-)
<br>(I guess I've been using the term "stupid" so much lately, that I forgot that it actually is a word that can "hurt" people, even though I didn't really mean it that way :-)^^)
<br><br>Thanks :-)
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<br><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26829934&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">pano_90@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> I recently noticed this (imho) "usability" bug. It is about the "estimated time left" thingy in the plasma Job notification,
<br>> I thought it might be good to let you know :-)
<br>> I'll just copy and paste the stuff from my bugreport here [1]
<br>>
<br>>> Currently (KDE 4.4 Beta 1) the "estimated time left" information in the Job
<br>>> notifications (e.g. when copying files) is showing really stupid values from a
<br>>> user point of view (unless he is a mathematician :-P):
<br>>>
<br>>> Some examples:
<br>>>
<br>>> 25,78 seconds remaining
<br>>> 512 Milliseconds remaining
<br>>>
<br>>> I think you can get my point:
<br>>> How much is 25,78 seconds? Wouldn't it be better to simply round it to 26
<br>>> seconds?
<br>>> I think I don't have to say anything about the Milliseconds thing, do I?
<br>>> (btw: in 4.3 it was fine, I don't know why this was changed)
<br>>> Thanks :-)
<br>>
<br>> [1] <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218958" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218958</a></div><br>I agree, milliseconds is too detailed of information. Although, I
<br>don't think I would have used the word "stupid" in the bug title, that
<br>is a good way to get a developer to ignore the bug, regardless of how
<br>much sense it makes to fix.
<br><br>>
<br>> Thanks :-)
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<br><br>I recently noticed this (imho) "usability" bug. It is about the "estimated time left" thingy in the plasma Job notification,
<br>I thought it might be good to let you know :-)
<br>I'll just copy and paste the stuff from my bugreport here [1]
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Currently (KDE 4.4 Beta 1) the "estimated time left" information in the Job
<br>> notifications (e.g. when copying files) is showing really stupid values from a
<br>> user point of view (unless he is a mathematician :-P):
<br>>
<br>> Some examples:
<br>>
<br>> 25,78 seconds remaining
<br>> 512 Milliseconds remaining
<br>>
<br>> I think you can get my point:
<br>> How much is 25,78 seconds? Wouldn't it be better to simply round it to 26
<br>> seconds?
<br>> I think I don't have to say anything about the Milliseconds thing, do I?
<br>> (btw: in 4.3 it was fine, I don't know why this was changed)
<br>> Thanks :-)
</div><br>[1] <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218958" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218958</a><br><br>Thanks :-)
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<br>> My question could have been
<br>> reworded to ask if there is such an _additional_ keyboard shortcut
<br>> with Ctrl, how would it be marked?
<br><br>Settings -> Configure Shortcuts.
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<br>> Yes, that was a serious question! In addition to the text that makes
<br>> it clear which Ctrl / Alt modifier to use, there are often underlined
<br>> letters in the menu items' names which work in addition to those in
<br>> text (one uses Alt to activate them). My question could have been
<br>> reworded to ask if there is such an _additional_ keyboard shortcut
<br>> with Ctrl, how would it be marked?
<br><br><br>Dotan,
<br><br> I'm a new contributor, so don't take me too much into consideration.
<br><br> If I understood you right, you are talking about menu root items which don't have any subitems...
<br><br> In this case you say that the ALT shortcut is represented with an underline, but the common way to represent the Control shortcut, as used in the subitems (which is to place the text "CTRL+<Key>" aligned to the right of the submenu option text), do not apply. Is that right?
<br><br> I, particularly, wouldn't use a root menu item as the executor of any action... I'd use a toolbar button or rearrange the words (and concepts) to create a root menu item and a subitem that executes the task, as (in my opinion) no one expects to have any action executed when clicking on a menu root item.
<br><br>[]'s
<br>Luiz.
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> 2009/12/14 Markus <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26802674&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kamikazow@...</a>>:
<br>>> Am Montag 14 Dezember 2009 10:40:18 schrieb Dotan Cohen:
<br>>>> How are the Ctrl-* shortcuts marked?
<br>>>
<br>>> Is that a serious question? Have you never opened a menu?
<br>>> File -> Save [Ctrl-S]
<br>>
<br>> Yes, that was a serious question! In addition to the text that makes
<br>> it clear which Ctrl / Alt modifier to use, there are often underlined
<br>> letters in the menu items' names which work in addition to those in
<br>> text (one uses Alt to activate them). My question could have been
<br>> reworded to ask if there is such an _additional_ keyboard shortcut
<br>> with Ctrl, how would it be marked?
</div><br>In order to replace what we have or add additional information? I dont
<br>think we need to add any additional information to the menus, they are
<br>already information heavy with icons, labels, underlined characters,
<br>and written out shortcuts.
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>>
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<br>> Am Montag 14 Dezember 2009 10:40:18 schrieb Dotan Cohen:
<br>>> How are the Ctrl-* shortcuts marked?
<br>>
<br>> Is that a serious question? Have you never opened a menu?
<br>> File -> Save [Ctrl-S]
<br><br>Yes, that was a serious question! In addition to the text that makes
<br>it clear which Ctrl / Alt modifier to use, there are often underlined
<br>letters in the menu items' names which work in addition to those in
<br>text (one uses Alt to activate them). My question could have been
<br>reworded to ask if there is such an _additional_ keyboard shortcut
<br>with Ctrl, how would it be marked?
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But it looks like you want to come up with some issues you've already noticed. I'd say: just do it. :)</div><div><br></div><div>It's called open source because it's open, isn't it?</div><div>Just my 2 cents in order to encourage you a bit. :)</div><div><br></div><div>Judith</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Courier; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Courier; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Courier; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Courier; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">______________________________</div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "><br></span></font></div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Georgia" size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10px; "><b>Dipl.-Ing. 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<br><div><div>On 14 Dec 2009, at 16:01, Sander Pientka wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi Celeste, unfortunately not :(<br><br>2009/12/14 Celeste Lyn Paul <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26781324&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">celeste@...</a>>:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi Sander,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Do you have any design/HCI/UE experience?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">~ Celeste<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Sander Pientka <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26781324&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cumulus0007@...</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'm interested in participating in the KDE Usability project. I'm an<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">enthusiastic KDE user and I notice a lot of aspects in the KDE UI that<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">should receive some serious improvements. With the idea that it is<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">this team's job to improve the KDE interface in mind, I joined the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mailing list.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I had a look at your site, but I couldn't find any starter's guide or<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">something similar, so any further assistance would be appreiciated.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Regards, Sander Pientka<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">kde-usability mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26781324&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kde-usability@...</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Celeste Lyn Paul<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">KDE Usability Project<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">KDE e.V. Board of Directors<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.kde.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">www.kde.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">kde-usability mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26781324&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kde-usability@...</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>kde-usability mailing list<br><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26781324&i=5" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kde-usability@...</a><br>https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability<br></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html><br />_______________________________________________
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<br><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability</a><br><p>From forum: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/kde-usability-general-f6436.html" embed="fixTarget[6436]" target="_top" >kde-usability-general</a></p>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26779171Re: [KDE Usability] Apply for membership2009-12-14T07:01:22Z2009-12-14T07:01:22ZSander Pientka-2Hi Celeste, unfortunately not :(
<br><br>2009/12/14 Celeste Lyn Paul <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26779171&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">celeste@...</a>>:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi Sander,
<br>>
<br>> Do you have any design/HCI/UE experience?
<br>>
<br>> ~ Celeste
<br>>
<br>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Sander Pientka <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26779171&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cumulus0007@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>> Hi,
<br>>>
<br>>> I'm interested in participating in the KDE Usability project. I'm an
<br>>> enthusiastic KDE user and I notice a lot of aspects in the KDE UI that
<br>>> should receive some serious improvements. With the idea that it is
<br>>> this team's job to improve the KDE interface in mind, I joined the
<br>>> mailing list.
<br>>>
<br>>> I had a look at your site, but I couldn't find any starter's guide or
<br>>> something similar, so any further assistance would be appreiciated.
<br>>>
<br>>> Regards, Sander Pientka
<br>>> _______________________________________________
<br>>> kde-usability mailing list
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<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --
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<br>> KDE Usability Project
<br>> KDE e.V. Board of Directors
<br>> www.kde.org
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<br><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability</a><br><p>From forum: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/kde-usability-general-f6436.html" embed="fixTarget[6436]" target="_top" >kde-usability-general</a></p>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26779076Re: [KDE Usability] Apply for membership2009-12-14T06:56:55Z2009-12-14T06:56:55ZCeleste Lyn PaulHi Sander,
<br><br>Do you have any design/HCI/UE experience?
<br><br>~ Celeste
<br><br>On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Sander Pientka <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26779076&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">cumulus0007@...</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> I'm interested in participating in the KDE Usability project. I'm an
<br>> enthusiastic KDE user and I notice a lot of aspects in the KDE UI that
<br>> should receive some serious improvements. With the idea that it is
<br>> this team's job to improve the KDE interface in mind, I joined the
<br>> mailing list.
<br>>
<br>> I had a look at your site, but I couldn't find any starter's guide or
<br>> something similar, so any further assistance would be appreiciated.
<br>>
<br>> Regards, Sander Pientka
<br>> _______________________________________________
<br>> kde-usability mailing list
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</div><br><br><br>--
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<br>KDE Usability Project
<br>KDE e.V. Board of Directors
<br>www.kde.org
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<br>> How are the Ctrl-* shortcuts marked?
<br><br>Is that a serious question? Have you never opened a menu?
<br>File -> Save [Ctrl-S]
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<br>>> is the user supposed to know if the modifier key for the shortcut is
<br>>> Ctrl-* or Alt-*?
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> It is always Alt (or a bug)... if KDE follows convention, that is. Ctrl- is
<br>> supposed to be for shortcuts.
<br>>
<br><br>Thanks. How are the Ctrl-* shortcuts marked?
<br><br>--
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<br><br>A search for usability does not yield much as the word itself is often
<br>overused by users throwing the term at everything they find wrong or
<br>lacking, so it kind of dilutes the word, and there may be bugs that
<br>are closed, or it may only be in the body of the bug report, not the
<br>subject.
<br><br><br><br>(I keep forgetting to click "reply to all", and end up posting
<br>out-of-mailing-list..how annoying)
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<br><br>so I can just post issues I've came across here? With screenshots and
<br>mockups of course.
<br>A search for "usability" on the wiki gives me lots of old and abandoned pages...
<br>2009/12/13 Shaun Reich <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26768532&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">predator106@...</a>>:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>> (I believe) everybody is welcome to contribute by editing it with corrections and improvement... I'd say you are free to create a new page if a specific one you're searching for doesn't exist > yet.
<br>>
<br>> Right, everyone is always encouraged to contribute, by any means ;-)
<br>>
<br>> With regards to finding many usability issues in KDE, you are welcome
<br>> to bring issues here if you would like, especially if there could be
<br>> some disputes on the issue.
<br>>
<br>> For some issues, you can file bug reports with the subject prefix
<br>> "HIG:" and wait for some developers to jump on it.
<br>>
<br>> If the issue is an easy fix, like sentence improvements,
<br>> spelling/grammatical errors..etc., please use "HIG: JJ: some issue",
<br>> (the JJ standing for junior-job) so that it gives a starting point for
<br>> any new hackers looking to get their feet wet, as we want them to feel
<br>> invited.
<br>>
<br>> You may also want to have a look here:
<br>> <a href="http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=68&sid=f8ff0e5d85ff644e301a3f35647979b8" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=68&sid=f8ff0e5d85ff644e301a3f35647979b8</a><br>>
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<br><br>Right, everyone is always encouraged to contribute, by any means ;-)
<br><br>With regards to finding many usability issues in KDE, you are welcome
<br>to bring issues here if you would like, especially if there could be
<br>some disputes on the issue.
<br><br>For some issues, you can file bug reports with the subject prefix
<br>"HIG:" and wait for some developers to jump on it.
<br><br>If the issue is an easy fix, like sentence improvements,
<br>spelling/grammatical errors..etc., please use "HIG: JJ: some issue",
<br>(the JJ standing for junior-job) so that it gives a starting point for
<br>any new hackers looking to get their feet wet, as we want them to feel
<br>invited.
<br><br>You may also want to have a look here:
<br><a href="http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=68&sid=f8ff0e5d85ff644e301a3f35647979b8" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=68&sid=f8ff0e5d85ff644e301a3f35647979b8</a><br><br>--
<br>KDE Developer,
<br>Shaun Reich
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<br><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability</a><br><p>From forum: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/kde-usability-general-f6436.html" embed="fixTarget[6436]" target="_top" >kde-usability-general</a></p>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26768013Re: [KDE Usability] Apply for membership2009-12-13T09:22:52Z2009-12-13T09:22:52ZLuiz Carlos SilveiraHello, Sander
<br><br> I'm a new participant too, currently studying the docs and the mailing lists before starting to contribute.
<br><br> While we wait for more experienced friends to assist us with your question, you may try to search for the term "usability" on the KDE TechBase -- <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://techbase.kde.org/</a>
<br><br> That site is a Wiki, so (I believe) everybody is welcome to contribute by editing it with corrections and improvement... I'd say you are free to create a new page if a specific one you're searching for doesn't exist yet.
<br><br>[]'s
<br>Luiz
<br><br>On Sunday 13 December 2009 14:13:26 Sander Pientka wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> I'm interested in participating in the KDE Usability project. I'm an
<br>> enthusiastic KDE user and I notice a lot of aspects in the KDE UI that
<br>> should receive some serious improvements. With the idea that it is
<br>> this team's job to improve the KDE interface in mind, I joined the
<br>> mailing list.
<br>>
<br>> I had a look at your site, but I couldn't find any starter's guide or
<br>> something similar, so any further assistance would be appreiciated.
<br>>
<br>> Regards, Sander Pientka
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<br><a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability" target="_top" rel="nofollow">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usability</a><br><p>From forum: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/kde-usability-general-f6436.html" embed="fixTarget[6436]" target="_top" >kde-usability-general</a></p>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26767347[KDE Usability] Apply for membership2009-12-13T08:13:26Z2009-12-13T08:13:26ZSander Pientka-2Hi,
<br><br>I'm interested in participating in the KDE Usability project. I'm an
<br>enthusiastic KDE user and I notice a lot of aspects in the KDE UI that
<br>should receive some serious improvements. With the idea that it is
<br>this team's job to improve the KDE interface in mind, I joined the
<br>mailing list.
<br><br>I had a look at your site, but I couldn't find any starter's guide or
<br>something similar, so any further assistance would be appreiciated.
<br><br>Regards, Sander Pientka
<br>_______________________________________________
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