last.fm: suggested artists...

[Chris Joelly-4]

Hello all,

i am curious if anyone has a suggestion for the last.fm suggestion
"problems" with amarok :-)

The last.fm artists suggestion feature is somehow nice, abut it seems to
have serious problems. Imagine lots of artists with the same name, then the
suggestions are a really mess. Ok, its only artist name based, so this -
i think - is a problem by design. As the feature is not really good at
the moment in Amarok 2 - as i get the impression - on the mailing list,
maybe if this feature is improving over time it would be good to rethink
the "artist selection algorithm"? maybe it is possible to take the
"genre" tags into account so that the suggestions increase in quality?

Sure, this is not the 100% solution, but i think on average the
suggestions will be better. last.fm has the troubles with their
recommendations too, also by design :-) But maybe things approve if the
algos are better designed and take more parameters into account?

thanks,

Joysn

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[Christoph Spielmann]

Well I created a script for amarok which approximately does something like that. I use last.fm's similar artist feature too but i throw in some more ingredients to get a "better" (at least in my eyes) suggestion for similar artists for the one which is currently playing.

At the moment i'm more or less in a complete rewriting mode for the script again and this time i want to use the actual audio-data (read signal analysis, svm, distance-matrixes...) to generate a list of similar artists, something that SHOULD get a more accurate estimate for similar artists (don't know yet, i just have the basic pieces together). Soren Harward who is a amarok developer i think, is or was working on something similar. i dunno what the current state of his work is. At one point it was actually in amarok-svn but i think his changes were reverted later on.

Christoph

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Chris Joelly <chris-m-lists@...> wrote:

Hello all,

i am curious if anyone has a suggestion for the last.fm suggestion
"problems" with amarok :-)

The last.fm artists suggestion feature is somehow nice, abut it seems to
have serious problems. Imagine lots of artists with the same name, then the
suggestions are a really mess. Ok, its only artist name based, so this -
i think - is a problem by design. As the feature is not really good at
the moment in Amarok 2 - as i get the impression - on the mailing list,
maybe if this feature is improving over time it would be good to rethink
the "artist selection algorithm"? maybe it is possible to take the
"genre" tags into account so that the suggestions increase in quality?

Sure, this is not the 100% solution, but i think on average the
suggestions will be better. last.fm has the troubles with their
recommendations too, also by design :-) But maybe things approve if the
algos are better designed and take more parameters into account?

thanks,

Joysn

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On 16 Oct 2009, at 02:47, Chris Joelly wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> i am curious if anyone has a suggestion for the last.fm suggestion
> "problems" with amarok :-)
>
> The last.fm artists suggestion feature is somehow nice, abut it  
> seems to
> have serious problems. Imagine lots of artists with the same name,  
> then the
> suggestions are a really mess. Ok, its only artist name based, so  
> this -
> i think - is a problem by design. As the feature is not really good at
> the moment in Amarok 2 - as i get the impression - on the mailing  
> list,
> maybe if this feature is improving over time it would be good to  
> rethink
> the "artist selection algorithm"? maybe it is possible to take the
> "genre" tags into account so that the suggestions increase in quality?
>
> Sure, this is not the 100% solution, but i think on average the
> suggestions will be better. last.fm has the troubles with their
> recommendations too, also by design :-) But maybe things approve if  
> the
> algos are better designed and take more parameters into account?

Thank you for pointing out deficiencies in last.fm's recommendation  
code. However, you must understand, we are not last.fm. So sending us  
a mail is a bit misguided. We do not provide the recommendations---
that's the whole point of last.fm. So taking it up with them would be  
much more productive (if they listen, which I doubt they will).

leo
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