lead in before recording

[Ilan]

Friends,
After working with Rosegarden, I'm missing something basic.
My wife asked me to show her how to record with Thorn and I remembered that with Classic I manged to set something up so that there would be a 2 bar lead time before it would start to record.
After spending more than an hour with Thorn, I simply can't find it.
I'm rather embarrassed that I can't do the basics.
I looked through the manual and can't find any reference to it.
Since I did it in Classic, I'm sure its there, somewhere.

Ilan

[cannam]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Ilan <ilan.tal@...> wrote:
>
> After spending more than an hour with Thorn, I simply can't find it.

Hmmm... Edit -> Preferences -> Number of count-in bars when recording
(on the general configuration, Behaviour tab).

However, it doesn't actually work for me.

I don't believe that we've changed anything deep that should stop it
from working, more likely a settings store/recall problem?


Chris

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[Ilan]

Thanks Chris,
At least I found it, but it doesn't work here either.
If you point to where to start I can try and fix it.

It is a most important feature as there is no way to press the record button and start to play at the same instant. In the meantime, I'll let my wife beat on it to see if other problems come up.

Ilan

[Ilan]

Something new, and strange.
My wife says there is a half tone difference between the Roland synthesizer compared to the sound blaster inside my laptop. Have you ever heard of such a thing? This can't be connected to the fact that I don't have a real time kernel? Very strange, and new to me.

Any ideas?

Ilan

[GARY SEVIOUR]

Ilan,
Have you tried this?
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/tutorials/en/chapter-6.html (scroll down to 6.3 Check Your Configuration)

Settings -> Configure Rosegarden -> General -> Behavior

Guessing the the correct words to search for in documentation seems a common problem with creativity oriented software. I have struggled to find any refernces to "count-in" as I was always searching for "pre-count".

Regards,
Gary

--- On Thu, 5/11/09, Ilan <ilan.tal@...> wrote:

> From: Ilan <ilan.tal@...>
> Subject: [Rosegarden-user]  lead in before recording
> To: rosegarden-user@...
> Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 10:42 AM
>
> Friends,
> After working with Rosegarden, I'm missing something
> basic.
> My wife asked me to show her how to record with Thorn and I
> remembered that
> with Classic I manged to set something up so that there
> would be a 2 bar
> lead time before it would start to record.
> After spending more than an hour with Thorn, I simply can't
> find it.
> I'm rather embarrassed that I can't do the basics.
> I looked through the manual and can't find any reference to
> it.
> Since I did it in Classic, I'm sure its there, somewhere.
>
> Ilan
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[Ilan]

Thanks Gary,
I found it, but it isn't yet working - but at least I know where it is!

Something else has come up.
In the matrix editor is there any way to chop off part of a note, or move it slightly left or right?
I remember seeing cubase where a friend showed me how he could trim off part of a note which exceeded the boundary of the bar.
I saw in Rosegarden that I can move a note by an integral amount.
It crossed the bar boundary and I moved it back by one unit where it crossed that boundary as well.

My wife very much likes the matrix editor with the notation editor being used once the piece is finally polished up the way she wants it.

Ilan

[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Thursday 05 November 2009, Ilan wrote:

> My wife says there is a half tone difference between the Roland synthesizer
> compared to the sound blaster inside my laptop. Have you ever heard of such
> a thing? This can't be connected to the fact that I don't have a real time
> kernel? Very strange, and new to me.

The most likely explanation is that you're running QSynth or something similar
on the laptop, and you don't have the sample rates matched up.  JACK is
running at 48 kHz, but QSynth is running at 44.1 kHz, or vice versa.

A common problem.
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[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Thursday 05 November 2009, Ilan wrote:

> In the matrix editor is there any way to chop off part of a note, or move
>  it slightly left or right?

You can do most of this with the arrow tool, I think.  If not, use the move
and resize tools explicitly.  I don't have time for  a detailed explanation,
so go experiment and see if you can figure it out now that you have some idea
where to start.
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[Brett McCoy-2]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Ilan <ilan.tal@...> wrote:

> Something else has come up.
> In the matrix editor is there any way to chop off part of a note, or move it
> slightly left or right?
> I remember seeing cubase where a friend showed me how he could trim off part
> of a note which exceeded the boundary of the bar.
> I saw in Rosegarden that I can move a note by an integral amount.
> It crossed the bar boundary and I moved it back by one unit where it crossed
> that boundary as well.
>
> My wife very much likes the matrix editor with the notation editor being
> used once the piece is finally polished up the way she wants it.

Set Grid to 'None' in the matrix editor, and then you can move the
notes around freely, or change their length without regard to the note
lengths (great for doing legato phrasing).

-- Brett
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[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Thursday 05 November 2009, Chris Cannam wrote:

> However, it doesn't actually work for me.
>
> I don't believe that we've changed anything deep that should stop it
> from working, more likely a settings store/recall problem?

A recall problem.  Fixed.
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[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Thursday 05 November 2009, Brett McCoy wrote:
> Set Grid to 'None' in the matrix editor, and then you can move the
> notes around freely, or change their length without regard to the note
> lengths (great for doing legato phrasing).

Or hold shift while moving/resizing them.
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[Jim Cochrane-7]

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:44:27 -0800 (PST)
Ilan <ilan.tal@...> wrote:

>
> Thanks Gary,
> I found it, but it isn't yet working - but at least I know where it
> is!
> ...
>
> My wife very much likes the matrix editor with the notation editor
> being used once the piece is finally polished up the way she wants it.
>
> Ilan

Hey, Ilan - you said you and your wife are using Thorn.  Does this mean
that you think the latest version of Thorn can be considered, by those
with some patience, functional enough to be useful for music
composition?  Or is your wife just trying it out in anticipation of a
future, more-polished, release?

It might be time for me to try it out (after I get sound/music working
on my backup computer, since my main computer died a few weeks
ago :-( ).


Thanks.
Jim


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[Christopher Cherrett]

Hi Micheal,

I added ctrl+J and ctrl+k to oomidi which increases and decreases the
size of selected notes by grid designation in the matrix editor. Very
handy and I will port it over when I start coding in thorn.

-------- Original Message  --------
Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] lead in before recording
From: D. Michael McIntyre <michael.mcintyre@...>
To: rosegarden-user@...
Date: 11/05/09 08:51
> On Thursday 05 November 2009, Brett McCoy wrote:
>  
>> Set Grid to 'None' in the matrix editor, and then you can move the
>> notes around freely, or change their length without regard to the note
>> lengths (great for doing legato phrasing).
>>    
>
> Or hold shift while moving/resizing them.
>  



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[Ilan]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
That REALLY scared me to think that there was such an awful HOLE
that the Rolland played one thing and the laptop another!
I didn't notice the change in frequency with my non musical ear,
but how it could happen really scared me.
In fact, I do use qsynth and up until now never gave it a second thought.

Jim, yes we do use Thorn. I didn't see any point to using Classic.
If my wife is going to use this, why have her learn something and then
relearn the whole thing again? If I've got it on my computer, why not use it?
Aside from the hit on the head with the frequency shift, I don't see any
show stoppers. Michael solved that one for me, as well as the lead in.

There is a small thing which we should fix. I hit upon it while under pressure
trying to get Rosegarden going. I'm supposed to be the "expert" in this
household. I don't remember how I got there but I had a situation in which
no track had the yellow LED on, and I didn't notice the mistake. When I
pressed the Record (red circle) it gave me an error message saying no
instrument had been chosen. I thought to myself "let it choose the default
acoustic piano and not bother me", so I didn't understand the problem.
I would change the error message to tell me that no track has been
selected, please press on the yellow button on a track. I'm sure it can
be worded better, but point me to the problem which I have obviously
missed.

Ilan

[Jim Cochrane-7]

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 03:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Ilan <ilan.tal@...> wrote:

>
> ...
>
> Jim, yes we do use Thorn. I didn't see any point to using Classic.
> If my wife is going to use this, why have her learn something and then
> relearn the whole thing again? If I've got it on my computer, why not
> use it?
> Aside from the hit on the head with the frequency shift, I don't see
> any show stoppers. Michael solved that one for me, as well as the
> lead in.

Thanks, Ilan, for that feedback.  I'm pleasantly surprised to hear that
Thorn has come along this far.  I'm sure there is still a lot of work
to do - bugs, loose ends, etc.; but it sounds like the RG developers
have gotten a lot further than I had thought.

I think I should compile it and try it out - when I find the time
(maybe over Thanksgiving wkend.)  I know there's no guarantee at this
point that it will work as I expect, but if I find problems, hopefully
I can help by contributing useful bug reports.


Jim

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