lilybuntu confusion

[Mark Polesky]

regarding this...
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00294.html
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00303.html

Jonathan Kulp wrote:

> After making the .iso I tested it in Sun VirtualBox OSE and
> everything worked perfectly. Here are the exact steps I
> followed (see if you think they're noob-friendly enough):
>
> 1. Install the OS in VirtualBox, then restart the virtual
>    machine and log in
> 2. open a terminal
> 3. open firefox
> 4. Get lilypond source code from git by copying the terminal
>    commands in CG (have to use Ctrl+Shift+V to paste into
>    terminal)
> 5. run ./autogen.sh, then "make all" and "sudo make install"
> 6. cd Documentation/user
> 7. make doc
> 8. use Evince to view pdf output

Please forgive my ignorance/ineptitude, but I'm stuck on step 1.
Which OS do I install in VirtualBox, and what do I do with the
.iso that I downloaded?

- Mark


     


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[Jonathan Kulp-2]

Mark Polesky wrote:

> regarding this...
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00294.html
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00303.html
>
> Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>> After making the .iso I tested it in Sun VirtualBox OSE and
>> everything worked perfectly. Here are the exact steps I
>> followed (see if you think they're noob-friendly enough):
>>
>> 1. Install the OS in VirtualBox, then restart the virtual
>>    machine and log in
>> 2. open a terminal
>> 3. open firefox
>> 4. Get lilypond source code from git by copying the terminal
>>    commands in CG (have to use Ctrl+Shift+V to paste into
>>    terminal)
>> 5. run ./autogen.sh, then "make all" and "sudo make install"
>> 6. cd Documentation/user
>> 7. make doc
>> 8. use Evince to view pdf output
>
> Please forgive my ignorance/ineptitude, but I'm stuck on step 1.
> Which OS do I install in VirtualBox, and what do I do with the
> .iso that I downloaded?
>

You use the lilybuntu.iso file to install the lily-dev ready
Ubuntu.  In VirtualBox, go to the File>Virtual Media Manager
settings, click the CD/DVD images tab, and then add the
lilybuntu.iso file to the list using the "Add" button.  Once it's
there, close out of that and go through the steps to add a new
virtual machine.  Choose Linux, then Ubuntu, set up the virtual
hard disk, allocate memory and so forth. Once the machine's
identity is set up, you have to go into the machine's settings and
in the CD/DVD-ROM area choose to "mount CD/DVD drive," then tell
it which .iso image to mount.  After you've set it to mount the
lilybuntu.iso file, close it out and then you'll be ready to start
up the new virtual machine and go through the Ubuntu installation
process.  After it's done installing, you'll need to go back into
the settings and uncheck the box that says "mount CD/DVD" drive,
or else it'll boot back into the install process again.  Once it's
installed and you can boot into a regular session, you'll want to
install the Guest Additions so that you can make it go fullscreen
instead of the 800x600 window it has by default.  That's done in
the Devices menu of the VB window border around the virtual machine.

HTH,

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[Carl Sorensen-3]

On 6/30/09 1:30 PM, "Mark Polesky" <markpolesky@...> wrote:

>
>
> regarding this...
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00294.html
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00303.html
>
> Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>> After making the .iso I tested it in Sun VirtualBox OSE and
>> everything worked perfectly. Here are the exact steps I
>> followed (see if you think they're noob-friendly enough):
>>
>> 1. Install the OS in VirtualBox, then restart the virtual
>>    machine and log in
>> 2. open a terminal
>> 3. open firefox
>> 4. Get lilypond source code from git by copying the terminal
>>    commands in CG (have to use Ctrl+Shift+V to paste into
>>    terminal)
>> 5. run ./autogen.sh, then "make all" and "sudo make install"
>> 6. cd Documentation/user
>> 7. make doc
>> 8. use Evince to view pdf output
>
> Please forgive my ignorance/ineptitude, but I'm stuck on step 1.
> Which OS do I install in VirtualBox, and what do I do with the
> .iso that I downloaded?

You install the operating system that is on the .iso you downloaded.

Being on a windows machine, you may need to burn a cd from the .iso, then
install from the cd.

There are some free utilities for Windows that allow you to mount an .iso
directly, and hence to install the operating system from the .iso.

I did a Google search of windows .iso mount, and got several.

One that is open source and claims to work with both XP and Vista is
WinCDEmu:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincdemu

Hope this helps,

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[Francisco Vila-5]

2009/7/1 Carl D. Sorensen <c_sorensen@...>:
> You install the operating system that is on the .iso you downloaded.
>
> Being on a windows machine, you may need to burn a cd from the .iso, then
> install from the cd.

In a virtual machine, the CD drive is also virtual, an ISO image works
as if a real CD were inserted into the unit, so no need to burn it on
a real disk.
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[Mark Polesky]

Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> You use the lilybuntu.iso file to install the lily-dev ready
> Ubuntu.

Okay, I think I got somewhere, but now jEdit won't open on my
host drive. I don't know if it's related, but installing
VirtualBox/lilybuntu is the only thing that really changed since
I could last open jEdit...

I tried troubleshooting jEdit according to their FAQ, but jEdit
still won't open.

Could it be related? I need my jEdit!
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[Mark Polesky]

Mark Polesky wrote:
> Okay, I think I got somewhere, but now jEdit won't open on my
> host drive. I don't know if it's related, but installing
> VirtualBox/lilybuntu is the only thing that really changed since
> I could last open jEdit...
>
> I tried troubleshooting jEdit according to their FAQ, but jEdit
> still won't open.
>
> Could it be related? I need my jEdit!

Following the advice of jEdit FAQ, I temporarily renamed my
.jedit folder (I changed it to temp.jedit), and now Windows
won't let me change it back - I get the error "You must type
a filename." Erg, this is just getting worse.

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[Jonathan Kulp-2]

Mark Polesky wrote:

> Mark Polesky wrote:
>> Okay, I think I got somewhere, but now jEdit won't open on my
>> host drive. I don't know if it's related, but installing
>> VirtualBox/lilybuntu is the only thing that really changed since
>> I could last open jEdit...
>>
>> I tried troubleshooting jEdit according to their FAQ, but jEdit
>> still won't open.
>>
>> Could it be related? I need my jEdit!
>
> Following the advice of jEdit FAQ, I temporarily renamed my
> .jedit folder (I changed it to temp.jedit), and now Windows
> won't let me change it back - I get the error "You must type
> a filename." Erg, this is just getting worse.
>
> - Mark

I have no idea why it would do something like this. Maybe Bertalan
can chime in soon, as he's the JEdit guy and I know he's used
VirtualBox and lilybuntu.  Do you have a backup of your .jedit
folder?  Or maybe you can create a new .jedit folder and copy the
contents of temp.jedit into it. I don't use JEdit or even Windows
except as a virtual machine, so I'm afraid I can't be much help.
If VirtualBox relies on Java in some way, then maybe the runtime
environment got messed up for JEdit.

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[Graham Percival-3]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 04:07:08PM -0600, Carl D. Sorensen wrote:
>
> On 6/30/09 1:30 PM, "Mark Polesky" <markpolesky@...> wrote:
>
> > regarding this...
> > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00294.html
> > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00303.html

Mailing lists are not documentation.
(not directed at you, Mark :)

> > Jonathan Kulp wrote:
> >> After making the .iso I tested it in Sun VirtualBox OSE and
> >> everything worked perfectly. Here are the exact steps I
> >> followed (see if you think they're noob-friendly enough):
> >>
> >> 1. Install the OS in VirtualBox, then restart the virtual
> >>    machine and log in

gperciva@nagi:~/svn/lilypond/Documentation/devel$ grep VirtualBox
*
gperciva@nagi:~/svn/lilypond/Documentation/devel$

Hmm.  It appears that these contributor-related instructions
didn't make it in the CG.

(still not directed at Mark)

> You install the operating system that is on the .iso you downloaded.
>
> One that is open source and claims to work with both XP and Vista is
> WinCDEmu:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincdemu

More good info.
(still not directed at Mark)


Perhaps somebody-not-Mark could write the instructions in CG 1.3,
then a Frogmeister-not-Mark could proofread those instructions and
add whatever else is needed.

If you want to rename the section, go ahead.  If you want to
suggest a different location fine; I haven't really thought about
where to put it.  The important thing at the moment is just to get
it... I'll be reviewing the CG in a few days, anyway.

... actually, the *most* important thing at the moment is to get
into the habit of using the CG, both for writing and reading.

Cheers,
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[Jonathan Kulp-2]

Graham Percival wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 04:07:08PM -0600, Carl D. Sorensen wrote:
>> On 6/30/09 1:30 PM, "Mark Polesky" <markpolesky@...> wrote:
>>
>>> regarding this...
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00294.html
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00303.html
>
> Mailing lists are not documentation.
> (not directed at you, Mark :)
>
>
> gperciva@nagi:~/svn/lilypond/Documentation/devel$ grep VirtualBox
> *
> gperciva@nagi:~/svn/lilypond/Documentation/devel$
>
> Hmm.  It appears that these contributor-related instructions
> didn't make it in the CG.
>
> (still not directed at Mark)
>
>> You install the operating system that is on the .iso you downloaded.
>>
>> One that is open source and claims to work with both XP and Vista is
>> WinCDEmu:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincdemu
>
> More good info.
> (still not directed at Mark)
>
>
> Perhaps somebody-not-Mark could write the instructions in CG 1.3,
> then a Frogmeister-not-Mark could proofread those instructions and
> add whatever else is needed.
>

I'll do it.

> If you want to rename the section, go ahead.  If you want to
> suggest a different location fine; I haven't really thought about
> where to put it.  The important thing at the moment is just to get
> it... I'll be reviewing the CG in a few days, anyway.
>

It looks like it'll need at least a new subheading. I'll try to
come up with something that makes sense.

> ... actually, the *most* important thing at the moment is to get
> into the habit of using the CG, both for writing and reading.
>

Indeed. A gross oversight not to have done this already. :)

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[Carl Sorensen-3]

On 7/1/09 1:32 AM, "Graham Percival" <graham@...> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 04:07:08PM -0600, Carl D. Sorensen wrote:
>>
>> On 6/30/09 1:30 PM, "Mark Polesky" <markpolesky@...> wrote:
>>
>>> regarding this...
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00294.html
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00303.html
>
> Mailing lists are not documentation.
> (not directed at you, Mark :)
>
>>> Jonathan Kulp wrote:
>>>> After making the .iso I tested it in Sun VirtualBox OSE and
>>>> everything worked perfectly. Here are the exact steps I
>>>> followed (see if you think they're noob-friendly enough):
>>>>
>>>> 1. Install the OS in VirtualBox, then restart the virtual
>>>>    machine and log in
>
> gperciva@nagi:~/svn/lilypond/Documentation/devel$ grep VirtualBox
> *
> gperciva@nagi:~/svn/lilypond/Documentation/devel$
>
> Hmm.  It appears that these contributor-related instructions
> didn't make it in the CG.
>
> (still not directed at Mark)
>
>> You install the operating system that is on the .iso you downloaded.
>>
>> One that is open source and claims to work with both XP and Vista is
>> WinCDEmu:  http://sourceforge.net/projects/wincdemu
>
> More good info.
> (still not directed at Mark)
>
>
> Perhaps somebody-not-Mark could write the instructions in CG 1.3,
> then a Frogmeister-not-Mark could proofread those instructions and
> add whatever else is needed.
>
> If you want to rename the section, go ahead.  If you want to
> suggest a different location fine; I haven't really thought about
> where to put it.  The important thing at the moment is just to get
> it... I'll be reviewing the CG in a few days, anyway.
>
> ... actually, the *most* important thing at the moment is to get
> into the habit of using the CG, both for writing and reading.
>

Great points.

It seems to me, though, that there is a time for discussing stuff on the
mail lists until the answers get settled.

Once the answers are settled, then they should go in the CG.

So I think we're right on the edge of it being time to put it in the CG.

So, Jon, will you be somebody-not-Mark, and I'll be Frogmeister-not-mark?

Thanks,

Carl


> Cheers,
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[Jonathan Kulp-2]

Carl D. Sorensen wrote:

>>
>> Perhaps somebody-not-Mark could write the instructions in CG 1.3,
>> then a Frogmeister-not-Mark could proofread those instructions and
>> add whatever else is needed.
>>
>> If you want to rename the section, go ahead.  If you want to
>> suggest a different location fine; I haven't really thought about
>> where to put it.  The important thing at the moment is just to get
>> it... I'll be reviewing the CG in a few days, anyway.
>>
>> ... actually, the *most* important thing at the moment is to get
>> into the habit of using the CG, both for writing and reading.
>>
>
> Great points.
>
> It seems to me, though, that there is a time for discussing stuff on the
> mail lists until the answers get settled.
>
> Once the answers are settled, then they should go in the CG.
>
> So I think we're right on the edge of it being time to put it in the CG.
>
> So, Jon, will you be somebody-not-Mark, and I'll be Frogmeister-not-mark?
>

Yep, sounds good. Would you prefer that I send text for review and
then create the patch when we like it, or should I just create a
patch to be reviewed?

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[Carl Sorensen-3]

On 7/1/09 7:59 AM, "Jonathan Kulp" <jonlancekulp@...> wrote:

> Yep, sounds good. Would you prefer that I send text for review and
> then create the patch when we like it, or should I just create a
> patch to be reviewed?

You're a Doc editor, so why don't you just create a patch.   I'll review it
once it's created.

Thanks,

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[Mark Polesky]

Carl D. Sorensen  wrote:>
> > Yep, sounds good. Would you prefer that I send text for review
> > and then create the patch when we like it, or should I just
> > create a patch to be reviewed?
>
> You're a Doc editor, so why don't you just create a patch.  I'll
> review it once it's created.

Jon, sorry if I upset you with my "grievances" yesterday. Just so
you know, Bertalan Fodor graciously helped me off-list and things
seem back to normal, so there's no need to worry.

And thank you for the .iso and the great work you put into it! A
few glitches on my (temperamental) computer shouldn't diminish
that.

But as not-somebody-not-Mark, I'd like to make one tiny suggestion.
I think it would be helpful if no step was omitted. Assume the
reader has *no* context to understand the consequence or relevance
of any step.

For example, when you say "allocate memory and so forth", that's
about 5 steps that could be spelled out.

1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
   * are there system requirements for compiling LilyPond?
   * Do I need more RAM to compile the program than I would to
     compile just the docs?
   * I initially selected 384, but then VirtualBox warned me that
     384 MB is more than 75% of all my RAM (I'm on an older
     computer with only 504 MB RAM). That would've left 120 MB for
     everything else and the warning said that was a bad idea. But
     I didn't know what to lower it to, or if I could lower it at
     all. So I changed the 384 to 200. I still don't know if it
     matters.

2) Boot Hard Disk (Primary Master): select
   Create new hard disk: select

3) Storage type: Dynamically exapanding storage?

4) Virtual Location Disk Location: use recommended location

5) Virtual Location Disk Size: use recommended (8 GB)?
   * Does compiling LilyPond require more/less?
   * What if I only want to allocate 2GB (hypothetically)?
   * If I select 8GB, it'll start at the base size in expand
     dynamically anyway, right? It would be good to understand
     this.

Hope this helps.
- Mark


     


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[Carl Sorensen-3]

Mark,

Thanks for the updated feedback!


On 7/1/09 8:59 AM, "Mark Polesky" <markpolesky@...> wrote:

>
>
> Carl D. Sorensen  wrote:>
>>> Yep, sounds good. Would you prefer that I send text for review
>>> and then create the patch when we like it, or should I just
>>> create a patch to be reviewed?
>>
>> You're a Doc editor, so why don't you just create a patch.  I'll
>> review it once it's created.
>
> Jon, sorry if I upset you with my "grievances" yesterday. Just so
> you know, Bertalan Fodor graciously helped me off-list and things
> seem back to normal, so there's no need to worry.
>
> And thank you for the .iso and the great work you put into it! A
> few glitches on my (temperamental) computer shouldn't diminish
> that.

Actually, you are somebody-Mark, not somebody-not-Mark!

>
> But as not-somebody-not-Mark, I'd like to make one tiny suggestion.
> I think it would be helpful if no step was omitted. Assume the
> reader has *no* context to understand the consequence or relevance
> of any step.
>
> For example, when you say "allocate memory and so forth", that's
> about 5 steps that could be spelled out.
>
> 1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
>    * are there system requirements for compiling LilyPond?
>    * Do I need more RAM to compile the program than I would to
>      compile just the docs?
>    * I initially selected 384, but then VirtualBox warned me that
>      384 MB is more than 75% of all my RAM (I'm on an older
>      computer with only 504 MB RAM). That would've left 120 MB for
>      everything else and the warning said that was a bad idea. But
>      I didn't know what to lower it to, or if I could lower it at
>      all. So I changed the 384 to 200. I still don't know if it
>      matters.

As long as there's enough memory to run things, you're OK.  Extra memory
needs will be met by using virtual memory (on the hard disk).

>
> 2) Boot Hard Disk (Primary Master): select
>    Create new hard disk: select
>
> 3) Storage type: Dynamically exapanding storage?
>
> 4) Virtual Location Disk Location: use recommended location
>
> 5) Virtual Location Disk Size: use recommended (8 GB)?
>    * Does compiling LilyPond require more/less?
>    * What if I only want to allocate 2GB (hypothetically)?
>    * If I select 8GB, it'll start at the base size in expand
>      dynamically anyway, right? It would be good to understand
>      this.

Probably want to use the recommended.  2GB may make it too tight.

>
> Hope this helps.

The feedback is *always* helpful.

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[Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)]

1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
   * are there system requirements for compiling LilyPond?
   * Do I need more RAM to compile the program than I would to
     compile just the docs?
   * I initially selected 384, but then VirtualBox warned me that
     384 MB is more than 75% of all my RAM (I'm on an older
     computer with only 504 MB RAM). That would've left 120 MB for
     everything else and the warning said that was a bad idea. But
     I didn't know what to lower it to, or if I could lower it at
     all. So I changed the 384 to 200. I still don't know if it
     matters.
    

As long as there's enough memory to run things, you're OK.  Extra memory
needs will be met by using virtual memory (on the hard disk).
  

Well, I would recommend _at least_ 384MB, but running two OS'es at the same time on a computer with 0.5G RAM can be hard.

3) Storage type: Dynamically exapanding storage?
    

Yes, definitely.

5) Virtual Location Disk Size: use recommended (8 GB)?
   * Does compiling LilyPond require more/less?
   * What if I only want to allocate 2GB (hypothetically)?
   * If I select 8GB, it'll start at the base size in expand
     dynamically anyway, right? It would be good to understand
     this.
    

Probably want to use the recommended.  2GB may make it too tight.
  

You can't even install the OS on 2GB. You need at least a 4GB hard disk, but that could be tight as well. I would recommend 6GB.

I would mention, that the lilybuntu.iso is a Live CD (mounted as a virtual CD), which must be installed to the virtual hard drive before you can use the development tools.

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[Jonathan Kulp-2]

Mark Polesky wrote:

> Carl D. Sorensen  wrote:>
>>> Yep, sounds good. Would you prefer that I send text for review
>>> and then create the patch when we like it, or should I just
>>> create a patch to be reviewed?
>> You're a Doc editor, so why don't you just create a patch.  I'll
>> review it once it's created.
>
> Jon, sorry if I upset you with my "grievances" yesterday. Just so
> you know, Bertalan Fodor graciously helped me off-list and things
> seem back to normal, so there's no need to worry.
>

No worries, wasn't upset at all, just concerned that your system
got borked.

> And thank you for the .iso and the great work you put into it! A
> few glitches on my (temperamental) computer shouldn't diminish
> that.
>
> But as not-somebody-not-Mark, I'd like to make one tiny suggestion.
> I think it would be helpful if no step was omitted. Assume the
> reader has *no* context to understand the consequence or relevance
> of any step.
>

Sorry, Mark. After seeing your prodigious scheme hacks I just
assumed you were leagues ahead of me. :)

Bert and Carl have already responded to the specific points below
and I'd second what they said.

What I'll do in the CG is make recommendations on specs such as
amount of RAM, disk space and so forth, but I'm hesitant to go
through step-by-stem for installation of a virtual machine, since
1) that would mean we throw our lot in with a specific
virtualization tool (I use VirtualBox, and so do others, but there
are other tools that will do just as well or maybe better); and 2)
  I'd be duplicating stuff from the VirtualBox manual, which is a
better place to learn about the installation of VMs and the
various things you have to do to get them set up how you want them.

What I can say in CG is that this whole process is known to work
well on VirtualBox, and maybe make a reminder to install "guest
additions" to get fullscreen if one is using VBox. For
virtualization tools, I'd say refer to their manuals and I could
even link to a couple of them online.

Jon

> For example, when you say "allocate memory and so forth", that's
> about 5 steps that could be spelled out.
>
> 1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
>    * are there system requirements for compiling LilyPond?
>    * Do I need more RAM to compile the program than I would to
>      compile just the docs?
>    * I initially selected 384, but then VirtualBox warned me that
>      384 MB is more than 75% of all my RAM (I'm on an older
>      computer with only 504 MB RAM). That would've left 120 MB for
>      everything else and the warning said that was a bad idea. But
>      I didn't know what to lower it to, or if I could lower it at
>      all. So I changed the 384 to 200. I still don't know if it
>      matters.
>
> 2) Boot Hard Disk (Primary Master): select
>    Create new hard disk: select
>
> 3) Storage type: Dynamically exapanding storage?
>
> 4) Virtual Location Disk Location: use recommended location
>
> 5) Virtual Location Disk Size: use recommended (8 GB)?
>    * Does compiling LilyPond require more/less?
>    * What if I only want to allocate 2GB (hypothetically)?
>    * If I select 8GB, it'll start at the base size in expand
>      dynamically anyway, right? It would be good to understand
>      this.
>

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[Mark Polesky]

Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
> > > 1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
> >
> > As long as there's enough memory to run things, you're OK.
> > Extra memory needs will be met by using virtual memory (on the
> > hard disk).
>
> Well, I would recommend _at least_ 384MB, but running two OS'es
> at the same time on a computer with 0.5G RAM can be hard.

Actually, VirtualBox will not let me use less than 75% of my host
RAM. So I can set it to 377 MB at the most. Should I quit now, or
see if it can work? At the moment, I just want to compile the docs.

I'll wait for some advice before I proceed this time!
- Mark


     


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[Jonathan Kulp-2]

Mark Polesky wrote:

> Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
>>>> 1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
>>> As long as there's enough memory to run things, you're OK.
>>> Extra memory needs will be met by using virtual memory (on the
>>> hard disk).
>> Well, I would recommend _at least_ 384MB, but running two OS'es
>> at the same time on a computer with 0.5G RAM can be hard.
>
> Actually, VirtualBox will not let me use less than 75% of my host
> RAM. So I can set it to 377 MB at the most. Should I quit now, or
> see if it can work? At the moment, I just want to compile the docs.
>
> I'll wait for some advice before I proceed this time!
> - Mark
>

I don't think it can hurt anything if you set your virtual RAM to
377.  It'll probably go sort of slow on Windows. I assume it's XP
you're running, right?  XP can probably survive on the remaining
RAM while the virtual machine is running.

If you run into a wall here, you might try installing Ubuntu via
Wubi (http://wubi-installer.org/), which installs Ubuntu from
inside Windows, creating a dual-boot setup without having to
repartition.  I don't think you could use the lilybuntu.iso with
Wubi (it does a network install, not a CD or iso install), but I
could provide you with the shell script I used to install all of
the Lilypond build dependencies. Downside is that you'd have to
reboot to go into the Linux side, but at least there'd be enough RAM.

Jon

p.s. Could your machine handle a RAM upgrade, or is it maxed out
already?  I have two 1GB sticks of laptop RAM that I'm not using
anymore, and if they were compatible with your machine I'd be
happy to send you one or both.
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[Carl Sorensen-3]

We had a *bad* experience with Wubi; somebody lost his computer (I think it
was the second Andrew, not Hawryluk.

I think we should not recommend wubi.

Carl


On 7/1/09 11:50 AM, "Jonathan Kulp" <jonlancekulp@...> wrote:

> Mark Polesky wrote:
>> Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
>>>>> 1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
>>>> As long as there's enough memory to run things, you're OK.
>>>> Extra memory needs will be met by using virtual memory (on the
>>>> hard disk).
>>> Well, I would recommend _at least_ 384MB, but running two OS'es
>>> at the same time on a computer with 0.5G RAM can be hard.
>>
>> Actually, VirtualBox will not let me use less than 75% of my host
>> RAM. So I can set it to 377 MB at the most. Should I quit now, or
>> see if it can work? At the moment, I just want to compile the docs.
>>
>> I'll wait for some advice before I proceed this time!
>> - Mark
>>
>
> I don't think it can hurt anything if you set your virtual RAM to
> 377.  It'll probably go sort of slow on Windows. I assume it's XP
> you're running, right?  XP can probably survive on the remaining
> RAM while the virtual machine is running.
>
> If you run into a wall here, you might try installing Ubuntu via
> Wubi (http://wubi-installer.org/), which installs Ubuntu from
> inside Windows, creating a dual-boot setup without having to
> repartition.  I don't think you could use the lilybuntu.iso with
> Wubi (it does a network install, not a CD or iso install), but I
> could provide you with the shell script I used to install all of
> the Lilypond build dependencies. Downside is that you'd have to
> reboot to go into the Linux side, but at least there'd be enough RAM.
>
> Jon
>
> p.s. Could your machine handle a RAM upgrade, or is it maxed out
> already?  I have two 1GB sticks of laptop RAM that I'm not using
> anymore, and if they were compatible with your machine I'd be
> happy to send you one or both.
> --
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[Arno Waschk]

When wanting to avoid dangerous hard disk operations, i would recommend andLinux.
It runs a kernel within windows, and on top of the filesystem. You only need access to ext3 partition somewhere for compiling (since andLinux does not know "ln -sf" on NTFS or the like), running lilypond works perfectly here, and about three times faster than the official windows build, by the way...

Yours, Arno

Carl D. Sorensen wrote:

We had a *bad* experience with Wubi; somebody lost his computer (I think it
was the second Andrew, not Hawryluk.

I think we should not recommend wubi.

Carl


On 7/1/09 11:50 AM, "Jonathan Kulp" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Mark Polesky wrote:
>> Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
>>>>> 1) Memory: use the recommended base size of 384 MB?
>>>> As long as there's enough memory to run things, you're OK.
>>>> Extra memory needs will be met by using virtual memory (on the
>>>> hard disk).
>>> Well, I would recommend _at least_ 384MB, but running two OS'es
>>> at the same time on a computer with 0.5G RAM can be hard.
>>
>> Actually, VirtualBox will not let me use less than 75% of my host
>> RAM. So I can set it to 377 MB at the most. Should I quit now, or
>> see if it can work? At the moment, I just want to compile the docs.
>>
>> I'll wait for some advice before I proceed this time!
>> - Mark
>>
>
> I don't think it can hurt anything if you set your virtual RAM to
> 377.  It'll probably go sort of slow on Windows. I assume it's XP
> you're running, right?  XP can probably survive on the remaining
> RAM while the virtual machine is running.
>
> If you run into a wall here, you might try installing Ubuntu via
> Wubi (http://wubi-installer.org/), which installs Ubuntu from
> inside Windows, creating a dual-boot setup without having to
> repartition.  I don't think you could use the lilybuntu.iso with
> Wubi (it does a network install, not a CD or iso install), but I
> could provide you with the shell script I used to install all of
> the Lilypond build dependencies. Downside is that you'd have to
> reboot to go into the Linux side, but at least there'd be enough RAM.
>
> Jon
>
> p.s. Could your machine handle a RAM upgrade, or is it maxed out
> already?  I have two 1GB sticks of laptop RAM that I'm not using
> anymore, and if they were compatible with your machine I'd be
> happy to send you one or both.
> --
> Jonathan Kulp
> http://www.jonathankulp.com



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