lilypond 2.13 download

[Martin Tarenskeen]

Hi,

I can't download lilypond 2.13.x from the Lilypond website.
When I go to http://lilypond.org/web/install/#2.13 I see version 0.0.0 and documentation version 0.0.0-0, and if
I point my mouse on any of the downloadlinks I see "http://lilypond.org/dev/null" everywhere.

The links for version 2.12.x and the older version seem to be OK.

Finally I was able to download the source tarball I was looking for via another website, but something has to be
fixed here ?

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[Francisco Vila-5]

2009/7/4 Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarenskeen@...>:
> Hi,
>
> I can't download lilypond 2.13.x from the Lilypond website.
> When I go to http://lilypond.org/web/install/#2.13 I see version 0.0.0 and documentation version 0.0.0-0, and if
> I point my mouse on any of the downloadlinks I see "http://lilypond.org/dev/null" everywhere.

It may be a case of "Malkovich substitution" such as

http://lfw.org/jminc/LilyPond/http://lilypond.org

I see it all right here. Try reloading the page.
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[Martin Tarenskeen]

On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 12:07:53PM +0200, Francisco Vila wrote:

> 2009/7/4 Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarenskeen@...>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I can't download lilypond 2.13.x from the Lilypond website.
> > When I go to http://lilypond.org/web/install/#2.13 I see version 0.0.0 and documentation version 0.0.0-0, and if
> > I point my mouse on any of the downloadlinks I see "http://lilypond.org/dev/null" everywhere.
>
> It may be a case of "Malkovich substitution" such as
>
> http://lfw.org/jminc/LilyPond/http://lilypond.org
>
> I see it all right here. Try reloading the page.

My problem seems to be LOCALE language dependent. If I switch to english
or german, start firefox, and then go to the lilypond website, everything
is OK. But in my native language - dutch - I'm having the problems I
described. Does this make any sense? There are quite some dutch
lilyponders around here who might share my problem ?

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[Graham Percival-3]

On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 12:18:59PM +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> My problem seems to be LOCALE language dependent. If I switch to english
> or german, start firefox, and then go to the lilypond website, everything
> is OK. But in my native language - dutch - I'm having the problems I
> described. Does this make any sense? There are quite some dutch
> lilyponders around here who might share my problem ?

I can't see any dutch download site at all; the only languages on
that page are:
German
Spanish
French
Japanese (no 2.13 links)
Hungarian


This is also true of the site built from git, so it's not a
webserver issue.  Anybody involved in the translations could
investigate (the translation infrastructure is too complicated for
me), or we could just wait until the next version of the webpages
(where things should be simpler).

Cheers,
- Graham


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[Francisco Vila-5]

2009/7/4 Graham Percival <graham@...>:

> On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 12:18:59PM +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
>> My problem seems to be LOCALE language dependent. If I switch to english
>> or german, start firefox, and then go to the lilypond website, everything
>> is OK. But in my native language - dutch - I'm having the problems I
>> described. Does this make any sense? There are quite some dutch
>> lilyponders around here who might share my problem ?
>
> I can't see any dutch download site at all; the only languages on
> that page are:
> German
> Spanish
> French
> Japanese (no 2.13 links)
> Hungarian

nl exists in our web as a maintained language and there is a download
page for it.

http://lilypond.org/web/install/index.nl.html

Just it is not linked from other languages' download page. I think
this is (should be) an automatic feature if the building scripts
worked properly.

Oops, you were right, the versions column shows 0.0.0. and the links go to null/

'make LANG=nl check-translation' gives a diff output of 326 lines, not too much.
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[Jan Nieuwenhuizen-2]

On za, 2009-07-04 at 11:41 +0200, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:

> I can't download lilypond 2.13.x from the Lilypond website.
> When I go to http://lilypond.org/web/install/#2.13 I see version 0.0.0 and documentation version 0.0.0-0, and if
> I point my mouse on any of the downloadlinks I see "http://lilypond.org/dev/null" everywhere.

Thanks, we are looking into this.

Jan.

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[John Mandereau-2]

Hi guys,
Le samedi 04 juillet 2009 à 09:37 -0700, Graham Percival a écrit :
> This is also true of the site built from git, so it's not a
> webserver issue.

There has never been any file named nl/install/index.html in the web
site source tree, and "make" does not generate any file named
install/index.nl.html on my box, so install/index.nl.html that is
actually present on lilypond.org must be a stalled file; could you
remove it from lilypond.org manually?  AFAIK the site build scripts
never delete stalled files.



>   Anybody involved in the translations could
> investigate (the translation infrastructure is too complicated for
> me),

It isn't that complicated, but maybe it's easier (or more motivating) to
understand for non native English-speaking people.


>  or we could just wait until the next version of the webpages

I doubt it's worth translating install/index.html in Dutch just before
the new web site is brought online.


> (where things should be simpler).

I'm not sure about this either :-P

John



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[Graham Percival-3]

On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 01:56:19PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote:

> Hi guys,
> Le samedi 04 juillet 2009 à 09:37 -0700, Graham Percival a écrit :
> > This is also true of the site built from git, so it's not a
> > webserver issue.
>
> There has never been any file named nl/install/index.html in the web
> site source tree, and "make" does not generate any file named
> install/index.nl.html on my box, so install/index.nl.html that is
> actually present on lilypond.org must be a stalled file; could you
> remove it from lilypond.org manually?  AFAIK the site build scripts
> never delete stalled files.

I deleted it; we'll see what happens in an hour or two.

> >   Anybody involved in the translations could
> > investigate (the translation infrastructure is too complicated for
> > me),
>
> It isn't that complicated, but maybe it's easier (or more motivating) to
> understand for non native English-speaking people.

It involves the build system, odd python files, etc.

> > (where things should be simpler).
>
> I'm not sure about this either :-P

How will it be different from the doc translations?  It's all
texinfo files.  In fact, these texinfo files don't have any
@lilypond sections, so wouldn't it be even easier?

I admit that translators might want to replace some svg images (in
Text input), but surely the base system for translations wouldn't
be hard?

Cheers,
- Graham


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[Martin Tarenskeen]

Hi,

It looks like things have been fixed: lilypond 2.13 is available for
download again, also on the Dutch page that I'm looking at.

But I discovered another mistake: On the v2.13 Documentation page the
link "download the tarball" doesn't work. It points to a
lilypond-2.13.2-1.documentation.tar.bz2 which does not exist.
Version 2.13.2-0 does exist, but the current documentation
tarball version is lilypond-2.13.3-0.documentation.tar.bz2.

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[John Mandereau-2]

2009/7/7 Graham Percival <graham@...>:
> It involves the build system,

just like the site in English.


> odd python files, etc.

I admit that these scripts are little or not documented.


> How will it be different from the doc translations?  It's all
> texinfo files.  In fact, these texinfo files don't have any
> @lilypond sections, so wouldn't it be even easier?

What would be easier? The stalled files issue is orthogonal with
switching to Texinfo.

Best,
John


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