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[Steve Runyon-2]

Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to
combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting the
two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.


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[Scott Stewart-6]

absolutely not, Michael is pretty forgiving in managing his lists, but
CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs talk may need to be more actively and forcefully
moderated.

Steve Runyon wrote:
> Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to
> combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting the
> two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
>
>
>

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[S. Isaac Dealey]

> absolutely not, Michael is pretty forgiving in managing his lists, but
> CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs talk may need to be more actively and forcefully
> moderated.

And the mistaken posts seem to me to generally be one-directional,
posted to cf-jobs rather than cf-jobs-talk. People who are actually
posting jobs or availability generally seem to hit the right list.

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[Larry Lyons]

No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...> wrote:
> Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense to
> combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting the
> two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
>
>
>

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[Steve Runyon-2]

Np, thanks all - I withdraw the question.  :-)

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larryclyons@...>wrote:

> No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
> garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
> without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
> lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...> wrote:
> > Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense
> to
> > combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting
> the
> > two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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[Michael Dinowitz]

CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original
posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the
cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in
specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to
reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic
stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been
planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to
post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would
have to post from the site only for cf-jobs.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larryclyons@...>wrote:

> No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
> garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
> without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
> lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...> wrote:
> > Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense
> to
> > combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting
> the
> > two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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[Phillip Vector]

As long as you put on there telecommuting as an option and salary
offered (rejecting letters like "DOB" or such), I'm all for it. :)

Michael Dinowitz wrote:

> CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original
> posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the
> cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in
> specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to
> reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic
> stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been
> planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to
> post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would
> have to post from the site only for cf-jobs.
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larryclyons@...>wrote:
>
>> No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
>> garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
>> without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
>> lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...> wrote:
>>> Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense
>> to
>>> combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting
>> the
>>> two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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[Matt Williams-2]

"DOB" Depending On Birthdate? :) Probably good not to pay them
young'uns too much.
Matt

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Phillip M. Vector
<Vector@...> wrote:

> As long as you put on there telecommuting as an option and salary
> offered (rejecting letters like "DOB" or such), I'm all for it. :)
>
> Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>> CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original
>> posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the
>> cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in
>> specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to
>> reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic
>> stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been
>> planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to
>> post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would
>> have to post from the site only for cf-jobs.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larryclyons@...>wrote:
>>
>>> No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
>>> garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
>>> without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
>>> lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...> wrote:
>>>> Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense
>>> to
>>>> combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting
>>> the
>>>> two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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[Phillip Vector]

Ugh. Sorry. I'm posting with a 102 degree fever and taking care of a 5
year old. :)

DOE. Depending on Experience. Basically, tell us what you are willing to
pay. I hate countering the question of how much I'll accept with "How
much is your budget". :)

Matt Williams wrote:

> "DOB" Depending On Birthdate? :) Probably good not to pay them
> young'uns too much.
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Phillip M. Vector
> <Vector@...> wrote:
>> As long as you put on there telecommuting as an option and salary
>> offered (rejecting letters like "DOB" or such), I'm all for it. :)
>>
>> Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>> CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original
>>> posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the
>>> cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in
>>> specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to
>>> reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic
>>> stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been
>>> planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to
>>> post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would
>>> have to post from the site only for cf-jobs.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larryclyons@...>wrote:
>>>
>>>> No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
>>>> garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
>>>> without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
>>>> lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...> wrote:
>>>>> Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense
>>>> to
>>>>> combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting
>>>> the
>>>>> two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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[Dave Phillips-10]

Michael,

I like the form idea very much for cf-jobs.  To be honest, I'm guessing most
'new' posters are posting with the form anyway (can you tell that?)

The main reason I like it is that it can be structured so that we can always
identify the pieces of information we need to know up front and those who
are posting for the first time won't be so unsure about their post because
the form itself will inform them on what they need to provide.

I can't tell you how many posts I've seen over the years where the poster
didn't even include the location of the job in the post.  Too funny, really.
:)

Thanks for looking at this!

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdinowit@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:32 PM
To: cf-jobs-talk
Subject: Re: lists question

CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original
posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the
cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in
specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to
reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic
stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been
planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to
post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would
have to post from the site only for cf-jobs.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larryclyons@...>wrote:

> No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
> garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
> without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
> lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...> wrote:
> > Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make sense
> to
> > combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of splitting
> the
> > two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world sense.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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[Michael Dinowitz]

I'm totally against salary based on when you were born. :)
If you have some example forms and/or suggestions, please let me know. I'm
doing it both for people looking for work as well as people looking to hire.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Phillip M. Vector <Vector@...
> wrote:

> As long as you put on there telecommuting as an option and salary
> offered (rejecting letters like "DOB" or such), I'm all for it. :)
>
> Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> > CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the
> original
> > posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the
> > cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in
> > specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to
> > reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic
> > stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been
> > planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form
> to
> > post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would
> > have to post from the site only for cf-jobs.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larryclyons@...
> >wrote:
> >
> >> No. I do not want to see the CF-jobs talk littered with chatter and
> >> garbage. its bad enough that people automatically respond to the list
> >> without checking for the sender's email address. Combining the two
> >> lists will really reduce the signal to noise ratio.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Steve Runyon <s.runyon@...>
> wrote:
> >>> Given how infrequently the lists are used correctly, would it make
> sense
> >> to
> >>> combine CF-Jobs and CF-Jobs-Talk?  I agree that the concept of
> splitting
> >> the
> >>> two is a good one in theory, but maybe it doesn't make real-world
> sense.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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[Dan O'Keefe]

> I can't tell you how many posts I've seen over the years where the poster
> didn't even include the location of the job in the post.  Too funny, really.
> :)

Good point - always find myself having to hunt through the post to
find the location and if they are requiring on site. If we make those
required fields, can you force the subject line to append the location
and site requirements?

Dan

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[S. Isaac Dealey]

> Ugh. Sorry. I'm posting with a 102 degree fever and taking care of a
> 5 year old. :)
>
> DOE. Depending on Experience. Basically, tell us what you are willing
> to pay. I hate countering the question of how much I'll accept with
> "How much is your budget". :)

Might just want to reframe the response. I don't care for people saying
DOE and asking me to set their budget either... but I might frame the
response as "You'll have to make an offer if you're interested in hiring
me. How much is my experience worth to you?"



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 isn't it time for a change?
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[Larry Lyons]

That's a great idea Michael. I'm all for it.

regards,
larry

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Michael Dinowitz
<mdinowit@...> wrote:

> CF-Jobs is written so that any reply is automatically sent to the original
> posters email address, not to the cf-jobs list. In order to reply to the
> cf-jobs list someone would have to write the cf-jobs email address in
> specifically or have a bad email client. I'm setting the cf-jobs list to
> reject any 'reply-to' message which will stop replies but the off topic
> stuff would still be a problem. The answer to that is something I've been
> planning for a while which is to use a singe, standard job posting form to
> post to the list rather than free-flow emails. In other words, you would
> have to post from the site only for cf-jobs.
>

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