mail options

[Riccardo Escher]

Hello!

I was searching in evolution (2.2.1) for the possibility to set e-mail
options like return-receipt or priority, but I didn't find nothing.
Does somebody know how to set these options?

Best Regards

Riccardo Escher
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[Andre Klapper]

hi riccardo,

Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 13:13 +0200 schrieb Riccardo Escher:
> I was searching in evolution (2.2.1) for the possibility to set e-mail
> options like return-receipt or priority, but I didn't find nothing.
> Does somebody know how to set these options?

priority isn't implemented, see
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209002

for return-receipt, see
http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/evolution-patches/2005-April/010410.html
(don't know the current status, sorry; but should be in in 2.4.x when
it's out)

cheers,
andre

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[Yavor Doganov]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:13:41 +0200, Riccardo Escher wrote:

> I was searching in evolution (2.2.1) for the possibility to set e-mail
> options like return-receipt or priority, but I didn't find nothing.
> Does somebody know how to set these options?

These are evil features, because:
 * A high priority for you might be low priority or even spam for me
 * Return receipts, as discussed many times before, are immoral

Once upon a time the Evolution team was swearing that they will never
include these features.  Well, as Andre pointed out, r-rcpt was
implemented and I'm pretty sure that under the huge corporate pressure
(morons migrating from the proprietary world and asking for this kind of
crap) the "priority" will be implemented as well (soon).

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[Riccardo Escher]

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 09:35 -0400, evolution-request@...
wrote:
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:25:09 +0300
> From: Yavor Doganov <yavor@...>
> Subject: [Evolution] Re: mail options

> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:13:41 +0200, Riccardo Escher wrote:
>
> > I was searching in evolution (2.2.1) for the possibility to set e-mail
> > options like return-receipt or priority, but I didn't find nothing.
> > Does somebody know how to set these options?
>
> These are evil features, because:
>  * A high priority for you might be low priority or even spam for me
>  * Return receipts, as discussed many times before, are immoral
>
> Once upon a time the Evolution team was swearing that

[...]
Ok, thank you, now I know because these features are missing.

So long as someone does nothing against the laws you should let him
decide by himself what is moral or not, you are not the pope and we are
no catechumens; paternalism produces bad software (and yes, I am
immoral :D!). It is not proprietary crap when you want to grab someone
by his b****cks which left you in the lurch.

This time I used thunderbird to set these flags and I am glad that they
will be implemented soon in evolution too.

Bye
Riccardo Escher


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[Anders.Naslund]

I think the biggest thing is that setting those flags means nothing.
I choose not to view the "flag" setting and I turn down return reciept on a permanent basis. You might find it important to set the flags but there is no mechanism whatsoever that guarantees that the user honors them. So in a way, they are tricking You into believing that You can create a sense of urgensy by using them...but You can't.
As always..if it's urgent: Call.

/A
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Subject: [Evolution] Re: mail options

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 09:35 -0400, evolution-request@...
wrote:
> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:25:09 +0300
> From: Yavor Doganov <yavor@...>
> Subject: [Evolution] Re: mail options

> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:13:41 +0200, Riccardo Escher wrote:
>
> > I was searching in evolution (2.2.1) for the possibility to set
> > e-mail options like return-receipt or priority, but I didn't find nothing.
> > Does somebody know how to set these options?
>
> These are evil features, because:
>  * A high priority for you might be low priority or even spam for me
>  * Return receipts, as discussed many times before, are immoral
>
> Once upon a time the Evolution team was swearing that

[...]
Ok, thank you, now I know because these features are missing.

So long as someone does nothing against the laws you should let him decide by himself what is moral or not, you are not the pope and we are no catechumens; paternalism produces bad software (and yes, I am immoral :D!). It is not proprietary crap when you want to grab someone by his b****cks which left you in the lurch.

This time I used thunderbird to set these flags and I am glad that they will be implemented soon in evolution too.

Bye
Riccardo Escher


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[Adam Tauno Williams]

> These are evil features, because:
>  * A high priority for you might be low priority or even spam for me
>  * Return receipts, as discussed many times before, are immoral
> Once upon a time the Evolution team was swearing that they will never
> include these features.  Well, as Andre pointed out, r-rcpt was
> implemented and I'm pretty sure that under the huge corporate pressure
> (morons migrating from the proprietary world and asking for this kind of
> crap) the "priority" will be implemented as well (soon).

Internally these features are very useful and sane.  Simply configure
your edge mail server not to do delivery receipts, etc...  but inside an
office network people want these features for good reason.  And until
someone come out with a better way to provide the functionality in a
manner everyone supports....


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[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:25 +0300, Yavor Doganov wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:13:41 +0200, Riccardo Escher wrote:
>
> > I was searching in evolution (2.2.1) for the possibility to set e-mail
> > options like return-receipt or priority, but I didn't find nothing.
> > Does somebody know how to set these options?
>
> These are evil features, because:
>  * A high priority for you might be low priority or even spam for me
>  * Return receipts, as discussed many times before, are immoral

To associate return receipts with (lack of) morality is a classic
example of "it depends on who's morality you are talking about".

> Once upon a time the Evolution team was swearing that they will never
> include these features.  Well, as Andre pointed out, r-rcpt was
> implemented and I'm pretty sure that under the huge corporate pressure
> (morons migrating from the proprietary world and asking for this kind of
> crap) the "priority" will be implemented as well (soon).

Return Receipt, Priority & Message Read Receipt are very useful
when used judiciously, and I'm glad they are being implemented.

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[Nigel Metheringham]

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 13:31 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Return Receipt, Priority & Message Read Receipt are very useful
> when used judiciously, and I'm glad they are being implemented.

If by return receipt you mean the Return-Receipt-To: header then this
should not be implemented under any circumstances.  Thankfully very few
MTAs handle this now because it is a serious security problem - for
example:-
      * Say I had put that header on this message.  However the address
        I put in there was not my address, but your address.  How many
        return receipts would you be getting from this list?  Say I had
        copied the original message to some of the *big* lists.
      * If I had put that header with a mailbox I own as the target I
        would now have the subscription address of all the list members
        (that would probably be a breach of EU Data Protection
        legislation, although working out who is the guilty party would
        be a problem).
      * I write a spamming worm of some sort.  Each message it sends has
        a Return-Receipt-To: header aimed at an anti-spam organisation.

Return-Receipt-To: was a serious problem more than 10 years back.  Its
not got any better.

        Nigel.
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[Adam Tauno Williams]

> If by return receipt you mean the Return-Receipt-To: header then this

> should not be implemented under any circumstances.  Thankfully very few
> MTAs handle this now because it is a serious security problem - for
> example:-
>       * Say I had put that header on this message.  However the address
>         I put in there was not my address, but your address.  How many
>         return receipts would you be getting from this list?  Say I had
>         copied the original message to some of the *big* lists.
>       * If I had put that header with a mailbox I own as the target I
>         would now have the subscription address of all the list members
>         (that would probably be a breach of EU Data Protection
>         legislation, although working out who is the guilty party would
>         be a problem).
>       * I write a spamming worm of some sort.  Each message it sends has
>         a Return-Receipt-To: header aimed at an anti-spam organisation.
> Return-Receipt-To: was a serious problem more than 10 years back.  Its
> not got any better.

Then do the following -
(a) ignore Return-Receipt-To if it differs from "Reply-To"
(b) ignore Return-Receipt-To if the messages is from a list (contains
"List-Id")
- most vacation notifiers already include such counter-measures and work
without incident.


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[Ow Mun Heng]

On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 13:22 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > These are evil features, because:
> >  * A high priority for you might be low priority or even spam for me
> >  * Return receipts, as discussed many times before, are immoral
>  Simply configure
> your edge mail server not to do delivery receipts, etc...

Just curious, how does one achieve that? Are there special emails being
sent for delivery receipts? If so, how does it look like?

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