many changes in 2.X SVN

[Paul Davis]

i spent a good part of today catching up on patches from the bug
tracker and recent work done in the mixbus branch. these include:

* LV2 patches from nedko to support log params and external GUI
* visual state patch so that changing visual states with keys or menu
always works
* freesound mootcher patch (Freesound *might* work again)
* libsndfile is now no longer included in the source tree. you need
libsndfile 1.0.18 or later, preferably built with FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis
support
* FLAC & Ogg/Vorbis import & export now supported
* better (less crashy) handling of catastrophes with JACK
* handle LADSPA log parameters properly or at least better
* improved I/O button labelling
* edit group visibility maintained across session loads
* splash window can be forced to behave with wacky WM's like ion3
* about window is now a transient (floating) of the editor window
* even stronger checks on naming a send the same as a track or bus

this all adds up to a reasonable bit of sudden change, and is the end
point for the now-imminent 2.8.3 release. i'd really appreciate it if
a few of you could test out an svn build and check into a few of the
features mentioned above, so that i can be sure that these patches at
least do not break other stuff and at best actually work :)

many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...

thanks,
--p
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[John Emmas]

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From: "Paul Davis"
Subject: [Ardour-Users] many changes in 2.X SVN
>
> i'd really appreciate it if a few of you could test out an svn build and
> check into a few of the features
>
Paul, can I flag up a potential problem - possibly with Ardour, possibly
with the upgrade process - although hopefully just a one-off glitch with my
copy of subversion.  I'm not yet running the very latest upgrades but until
last weekend I was at svn5656 which was around 3 weeks old.  Then (last
Friday or Saturday) I ugraded to svn5686 which must have then been the
current version.

It just so happened that a lot of of the changes were to one particular file
(IIRC, gtk2_ardour/ardour_ui.cc).  This isn't a file that I've ever edited
myself so I was surprised to see that it ended up a slightly different size
from its reference copy (gtk2_ardour/.svn/text-base/ardour_ui.cc.svn-base).
I don't normally check anything like this.  I just noticed it by chance.

Anyway, when I looked into it a bit further, two of the new lines had been
missed out of my working copy.  They were both present in the reference copy
but not in ardour_ui.cc.  Neither omission would have caused a build error
so it's lucky that I noticed them.

Since then I've been experiencing some odd behaviour with Ardour.  If I
launch it and try to open a recent session (using that first 'Open Session'
dialog) I just get an empty session with no tracks or regions and no master
bus (almost as though it's created a 'faulty' empty session).  However, once
the editor opens I can then load the intended session successfully by using
Session->Recent.  If this wasn't a known problem with svn5686 I'm guessing
the same glitch must have manifested itself somewhere else too.

I'm still trying to track the problem down but I'm hoping it was just a
one-off and something local to me.  Never had anything like this before
though, AFAIK.  Can you confirm whether the above was or wasn't a known
problem in svn 5686?

John

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[Dragan Noveski]

Paul Davis wrote:

> i spent a good part of today catching up on patches from the bug
> tracker and recent work done in the mixbus branch. these include:
>
> * LV2 patches from nedko to support log params and external GUI
> * visual state patch so that changing visual states with keys or menu
> always works
> * freesound mootcher patch (Freesound *might* work again)
> * libsndfile is now no longer included in the source tree. you need
> libsndfile 1.0.18 or later, preferably built with FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis
> support
> * FLAC & Ogg/Vorbis import & export now supported
> * better (less crashy) handling of catastrophes with JACK
>  

hallo,
-if i start jack with qjack (0.116.1 and 0.3.5) than create an ardour
session, import some audio, do some work etc...
-than stop jackd by stopping qjackctl
-start jack again
-ardour is not able to reconnect via the menu antry ->jack->reconnect
-also, in the connect window of qjack, ardour is no longer listed.

i think that this situation used to work.

cheers,
doc

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[Dragan Noveski]

Dragan Noveski wrote:

> Paul Davis wrote:
>> i spent a good part of today catching up on patches from the bug
>> tracker and recent work done in the mixbus branch. these include:
>>
>> * LV2 patches from nedko to support log params and external GUI
>> * visual state patch so that changing visual states with keys or menu
>> always works
>> * freesound mootcher patch (Freesound *might* work again)
>> * libsndfile is now no longer included in the source tree. you need
>> libsndfile 1.0.18 or later, preferably built with FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis
>> support
>> * FLAC & Ogg/Vorbis import & export now supported
>> * better (less crashy) handling of catastrophes with JACK
>>  
> hallo,
> -if i start jack with qjack (0.116.1 and 0.3.5) than create an ardour
> session, import some audio, do some work etc...
> -than stop jackd by stopping qjackctl
> -start jack again
> -ardour is not able to reconnect via the menu antry ->jack->reconnect
> -also, in the connect window of qjack, ardour is no longer listed.
>
> i think that this situation used to work.
>
> cheers,
> doc
>

p.s. this happens with qjack v0.3.5 as well as with the v0.2.23, so it
might be an ardour issue.
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[Dragan Noveski]

Paul Davis wrote:

> i spent a good part of today catching up on patches from the bug
> tracker and recent work done in the mixbus branch. these include:
>
> * LV2 patches from nedko to support log params and external GUI
> * visual state patch so that changing visual states with keys or menu
> always works
> * freesound mootcher patch (Freesound *might* work again)
> * libsndfile is now no longer included in the source tree. you need
> libsndfile 1.0.18 or later, preferably built with FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis
> support
> * FLAC & Ogg/Vorbis import & export now supported
>  

hallo,
a cosmetic issue: if i import a stereo .flac or .ogg file, the imputs of
the new track will be connected like left-side-to-second-soundcard-input
and right-side-to-the-first-soundcard-input. so the track input is
labeled 2/1.
if i import an .wav file, or simple create a stereo channel, the inputs
are labeled like 1/2.

cheers,
doc

> * better (less crashy) handling of catastrophes with JACK
> * handle LADSPA log parameters properly or at least better
> * improved I/O button labelling
> * edit group visibility maintained across session loads
> * splash window can be forced to behave with wacky WM's like ion3
> * about window is now a transient (floating) of the editor window
> * even stronger checks on naming a send the same as a track or bus
>
> this all adds up to a reasonable bit of sudden change, and is the end
> point for the now-imminent 2.8.3 release. i'd really appreciate it if
> a few of you could test out an svn build and check into a few of the
> features mentioned above, so that i can be sure that these patches at
> least do not break other stuff and at best actually work :)
>
> many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...
>
> thanks,
> --p
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[Axel Müller-4]

Am Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:24:54 -0400 schrieb Paul Davis:

> many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...
>
> thanks,
> --p

Before releasing 2.8.3 could you take a look at http://tracker.ardour.org/
view.php?id=2832 (`mute' doesn't mute)? I think this is a major annoyance
for many people. See my note for a possible fix.

Axel - the C.L.A.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

Axel Müller wrote:

> Am Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:24:54 -0400 schrieb Paul Davis:
>
>  
>> many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...
>>
>> thanks,
>> --p
>>    
>
> Before releasing 2.8.3 could you take a look at http://tracker.ardour.org/
> view.php?id=2832 (`mute' doesn't mute)? I think this is a major annoyance
> for many people. See my note for a possible fix.
>
> Axel - the C.L.A.

Is it really a bug or just missing to use the right mouse button?
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[Axel Müller-4]

Am Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:19:46 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:

> Axel Müller wrote:
>> Am Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:24:54 -0400 schrieb Paul Davis:
>>
>>
>>> many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> --p
>>>    
>>>    
>> Before releasing 2.8.3 could you take a look at
>> http://tracker.ardour.org/ view.php?id=2832 (`mute' doesn't mute)? I
>> think this is a major annoyance for many people. See my note for a
>> possible fix.
>>
>> Axel - the C.L.A.
>
> Is it really a bug or just missing to use the right mouse button?

Mute should mute by default (and the ardour_system.rc implies that, too)
but ~/.ardour2/ardour.rc gets created with mute values set to "0", wich
highly likely is not intended.

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[Paul Davis]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Axel Müller <axel-mueller-74@...> wrote:

> Am Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:24:54 -0400 schrieb Paul Davis:
>
>> many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...
>>
>> thanks,
>> --p
>
> Before releasing 2.8.3 could you take a look at http://tracker.ardour.org/
> view.php?id=2832 (`mute' doesn't mute)? I think this is a major annoyance
> for many people. See my note for a possible fix.

this is a great discovery, except for one small issue. the patch moves
thing in the *wrong* direction. the options are stored by ardour as
"yes" or "no", not "0" or "1". anyway, it makes it clear what is going
on, and i can fix it "deeper" and throw in support for older .rc files
too.

thanks for finding that.

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[Ralf Mardorf]

Axel Müller wrote:

> Am Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:19:46 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
>
>  
>> Axel Müller wrote:
>>    
>>> Am Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:24:54 -0400 schrieb Paul Davis:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>> many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> --p
>>>>    
>>>>    
>>>>        
>>> Before releasing 2.8.3 could you take a look at
>>> http://tracker.ardour.org/ view.php?id=2832 (`mute' doesn't mute)? I
>>> think this is a major annoyance for many people. See my note for a
>>> possible fix.
>>>
>>> Axel - the C.L.A.
>>>      
>> Is it really a bug or just missing to use the right mouse button?
>>    
>
> Mute should mute by default (and the ardour_system.rc implies that, too)
> but ~/.ardour2/ardour.rc gets created with mute values set to "0", wich
> highly likely is not intended.

Yes, you're right :). It's good that you found this bug.
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Paul Davis a écrit :

> this all adds up to a reasonable bit of sudden change, and is the end
> point for the now-imminent 2.8.3 release. i'd really appreciate it if
> a few of you could test out an svn build and check into a few of the
> features mentioned above, so that i can be sure that these patches at
> least do not break other stuff and at best actually work :)
>
> many thanks. i'd like to get 2.8.3 out early next week, so ...
>
> thanks,
> --p

I'm working on updating the French translation and I came across some
untranslatable strings.

This really is a tiny issue but it would be great to have it fixed for
the release.

Here are the ones I've spotted so far.

In the menus :
Session > Export > Export selected regions to audiofile...
Session > Export > Export range markers to multiple audiofiles...
Edit > Undo (*something*)
Edit > Editing Modes
Edit > Editing Modes > Next Edit mode
Edit > Editing Modes > Mouse Mode
Regions > Insert Region from List
Track > Waveform > Set Selected Tracks to Linear Waveforms
Track > Waveform > Set Selected Tracks to Logarithmic Waveforms
Display > Waveform > Show Waveforms Rectified
Display > Waveform > Show Waveforms while Recording
Options > Audio File Format > Sample Format > 32-bit floating point
Options > Audio File Format > Sample Format > 24-bit integer
Options > Audio File Format > Sample Format > 16-bit integer
Options > Performance
Options > Performance > Do Not Run Plugins while Recording
Options > Performance > Use Region Fades
Options > Misc Options > Rubberbandig Snaps to Grid

Tooltip on mixer's input or output when disconnected : "Disconnected"

The whole ThemeManager window.

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[Paul Davis]

2009/10/2 Raphaël Doursenaud <rdoursenaud@...>:

> I'm working on updating the French translation and I came across some
> untranslatable strings.
>
> This really is a tiny issue but it would be great to have it fixed for
> the release.
>
> Here are the ones I've spotted so far.

there are several different interpretations of "untranslatable
strings". can you explain what you mean for these, either as a group,
or individually (as appropriate) ?

thanks.

> In the menus :
> Session > Export > Export selected regions to audiofile...
> Session > Export > Export range markers to multiple audiofiles...
> Edit > Undo (*something*)
> Edit > Editing Modes
> Edit > Editing Modes > Next Edit mode
> Edit > Editing Modes > Mouse Mode
> Regions > Insert Region from List
> Track > Waveform > Set Selected Tracks to Linear Waveforms
> Track > Waveform > Set Selected Tracks to Logarithmic Waveforms
> Display > Waveform > Show Waveforms Rectified
> Display > Waveform > Show Waveforms while Recording
> Options > Audio File Format > Sample Format > 32-bit floating point
> Options > Audio File Format > Sample Format > 24-bit integer
> Options > Audio File Format > Sample Format > 16-bit integer
> Options > Performance
> Options > Performance > Do Not Run Plugins while Recording
> Options > Performance > Use Region Fades
> Options > Misc Options > Rubberbandig Snaps to Grid
>
> Tooltip on mixer's input or output when disconnected : "Disconnected"
>
> The whole ThemeManager window.

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Paul Davis a écrit :
> there are several different interpretations of "untranslatable
> strings". can you explain what you mean for these, either as a group,
> or individually (as appropriate) ?

Yeah well, I mean I'm not able to translate these because they do not
appear in the .pot file. I'd like to have access to these.
Sorry for the confusion.

Oh and the strings in the credit about the translators do not appear
translated but I translated these in my .po file... no big deal but
would still be cool.

Regards,

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[Paul Davis]

2009/10/2 Raphaël Doursenaud <rdoursenaud@...>:

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> Paul Davis a écrit :
>> there are several different interpretations of "untranslatable
>> strings". can you explain what you mean for these, either as a group,
>> or individually (as appropriate) ?
>
> Yeah well, I mean I'm not able to translate these because they do not
> appear in the .pot file. I'd like to have access to these.
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
> Oh and the strings in the credit about the translators do not appear
> translated but I translated these in my .po file... no big deal but
> would still be cool.

try running: scons potupdate

this will rebuild the .pot file(s) ... before i did this, i was also
missing them in my version, but afterwards, i check at least 6 of the
strings you mentioned and they are there.

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Paul Davis a écrit :

> 2009/10/2 Raphaël Doursenaud <rdoursenaud@...>:
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>> Paul Davis a écrit :
>>> there are several different interpretations of "untranslatable
>>> strings". can you explain what you mean for these, either as a group,
>>> or individually (as appropriate) ?
>> Yeah well, I mean I'm not able to translate these because they do not
>> appear in the .pot file. I'd like to have access to these.
>> Sorry for the confusion.
>>
>> Oh and the strings in the credit about the translators do not appear
>> translated but I translated these in my .po file... no big deal but
>> would still be cool.
>
> try running: scons potupdate
>
> this will rebuild the .pot file(s) ... before i did this, i was also
> missing them in my version, but afterwards, i check at least 6 of the
> strings you mentioned and they are there.
>
> --p

Wow great!

Sorry to have bothered you, I wasn't aware of this command.

Thanks,

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[Markus Schwarzenberg]

> i spent a good part of today catching up on patches from the bug
> tracker and recent work done in the mixbus branch. these include:
>

> * visual state patch so that changing visual states with keys or menu
> always works

using the default key bindings always act like "save view" here - no
matter, how long the button is pressed. Yes, I removed my old
~/.ardour2/ardour.bindings before testing this. In a second try, i also
manually put the bindings like
(gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/Editor/save-visual-state-1" "<Ctrl>F1")
(gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/Editor/save-visual-state-2" "<Ctrl>F2")
(gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/Editor/goto-visual-state-1" "<release><Ctrl>F1")
(gtk_accel_path "<Actions>/Editor/goto-visual-state-2" "<release><Ctrl>F2")
into ardour.bindings - no change.

However, assigning  different shortcuts for save and goto now finally
works, so I'm happy. Although I don't like the system bell beep on save so
much.

BTW: Would it be hard to save the view settings in the session file?
This could be very useful.

Besides this, there is a small bug in the crossfade editor:
Dragging curve handles outside the [0..1] range results in
internal gain values <0 / >1.- although the handles visually
stay at the boundary. The following fix would help:


Index: gtk2_ardour/crossfade_edit.cc
===================================================================
--- gtk2_ardour/crossfade_edit.cc       (Revision 5716)
+++ gtk2_ardour/crossfade_edit.cc       (Arbeitskopie)
@@ -496,6 +496,19 @@
 void
 CrossfadeEditor::Point::move_to (double nx, double ny, double xfract,
double yfract)
 {
+       if ( xfract < 0.0 ) {
+               xfract = 0.0;
+       } else if ( xfract > 1.0 ) {
+               xfract = 1.0;
+       }
+
+       if ( yfract < 0.0 ) {
+               yfract = 0.0;
+       } else if ( yfract > 1.0 ) {
+               yfract = 1.0;
+       }
+
+
        const double half_size = rint(size/2.0);
        double x1 = nx - half_size;
        double x2 = nx + half_size;


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[John Emmas]

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From: "Markus Schwarzenberg"

>
> using the default key bindings always act like "save view" here - no
> matter, how long the button is pressed. Yes, I removed my old
> ~/.ardour2/ardour.bindings before testing this
>
> [...]
>
> However, assigning  different shortcuts for save and goto now finally
> works, so I'm happy.
>

FWIW the problem I reported yesterday (no longer being able to open a recent
session from the 'Open Session' dialog) is now starting to look like it
might also be a problem with setting up keybindings.  These get loaded
immediately before opening the Editor window and subsequently loading the
selected session.  It looks as if something thereabouts is failing and
bypassing whatever function initiates loading the session - i.e. the Editor
opens but with no session present.

One thing that's puzzling me is that I can't find the response function that
handles the 'Open' keypress for that New Session dialog.  Once the editor
opens I can navigate to Session->Recent (which calls
ARDOUR_UI::open_recent_session).but I can't see what handles the New Session
dialog's 'Open' key.  Do you happen to know off the top of your head, Paul?

Cheers,

John

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[John Emmas]

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From: "John Emmas"

>
> Paul, can I flag up a potential problem - possibly with Ardour, possibly
> with the upgrade process - although hopefully just a one-off glitch with
> my copy of subversion.
>
> [...]
>
> I'm not yet running the very latest upgrades but until last weekend I was
> at svn5656 which was around 3 weeks old.  Then (last Friday or Saturday)
> I ugraded to svn5686 which must have then been the current version.
>
> [...]
>
> Since then I've been experiencing some odd behaviour with Ardour.  If I
> launch it and try to open a recent session (using that first 'Open
> Session' dialog) I just get an empty session with no tracks or regions and
> no master bus
>

After a lot of tracking down, I think this must have been due to a localised
problem with subversion.  Function ARDOUR_UI::get_session_parameters() has
a switch statement (line 2354) that starts off like this:-

   switch (new_session_dialog->which_page()) {

   case NewSessionDialog::OpenPage:
    goto loadit;   <--- NOTE THESE
    break;           <--- TWO LINES

   case NewSessionDialog::EnginePage:
    if (new_session_dialog->engine_control.interface_chosen() &&
!session_path.empty()) {
     goto loadit;
    } else {
     goto try_again;
    }
    break;

previously, the same section looked like this:-

   switch (new_session_dialog->which_page()) {

   case NewSessionDialog::OpenPage:
   case NewSessionDialog::EnginePage:
    goto loadit;
    break;

What had happened was that the two indicated lines had somehow got left out
of the svn update.  Adding them has fixed the problem.

John

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[Dragan Noveski]

Dragan Noveski wrote:

> Paul Davis wrote:
>> i spent a good part of today catching up on patches from the bug
>> tracker and recent work done in the mixbus branch. these include:
>>
>> * LV2 patches from nedko to support log params and external GUI
>> * visual state patch so that changing visual states with keys or menu
>> always works
>> * freesound mootcher patch (Freesound *might* work again)
>> * libsndfile is now no longer included in the source tree. you need
>> libsndfile 1.0.18 or later, preferably built with FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis
>> support
>> * FLAC & Ogg/Vorbis import & export now supported
>> * better (less crashy) handling of catastrophes with JACK
>>  
> hallo,
> -if i start jack with qjack (0.116.1 and 0.3.5) than create an ardour
> session, import some audio, do some work etc...
> -than stop jackd by stopping qjackctl
> -start jack again
> -ardour is not able to reconnect via the menu antry ->jack->reconnect
> -also, in the connect window of qjack, ardour is no longer listed.
>
> i think that this situation used to work.
>
> cheers,
> doc
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hallo, as of rev5753 reconnecting works perfectly again!
thanks for fixing it.

cheers,
doc
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[Dragan Noveski]

Dragan Noveski wrote:

> Paul Davis wrote:
>> i spent a good part of today catching up on patches from the bug
>> tracker and recent work done in the mixbus branch. these include:
>>
>> * LV2 patches from nedko to support log params and external GUI
>> * visual state patch so that changing visual states with keys or menu
>> always works
>> * freesound mootcher patch (Freesound *might* work again)
>> * libsndfile is now no longer included in the source tree. you need
>> libsndfile 1.0.18 or later, preferably built with FLAC and Ogg/Vorbis
>> support
>> * FLAC & Ogg/Vorbis import & export now supported
>>  
> hallo,
> a cosmetic issue: if i import a stereo .flac or .ogg file, the imputs
> of the new track will be connected like
> left-side-to-second-soundcard-input and
> right-side-to-the-first-soundcard-input. so the track input is labeled
> 2/1.
> if i import an .wav file, or simple create a stereo channel, the
> inputs are labeled like 1/2.
>
> cheers,
> doc

hallo, this one works now too!
only on the master channel, if there is more than one track connected to
it, the input field will be labeled like '*4*'. but this is very hard to
read...
perhaps it is because of a small resolution here. the font scaling is
set to '70' here.
if i set it to 100, the label is better to read, but than everything
looks too big here...

cheers,
doc
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