membership ids into training report

[bnelson45]

Is there any way to get the membership ID into a report of the list of training for a unit in troopmaster for easier entry into Scoutnet?

Actually any experience anyone has with getting training from Troopmaster to Scoutnet would ge great.

Bill

[Kenneth-44]

Bill,

I don't think there's currently anyway to upload Adults Training records from TM to ScoutNet...from what I'm told by our Districts and Council here, they're still working on making that option available soon.

Not necessarily directly from TM, but through the ScoutNet system iteslf.

You can print off a report with leader's ID's and use that as a reference to go off of as you're typing their Training records into ScoutNet once they get that option available to Unit Trainers to access that part of the system.

Currently, we're still required to turn in that information directly into the Council Office, or hand it off to District Trainers or Commissioners who have access to that part of the ScoutNet system at the Council Office.

I know it's still an inconvenience, but for now, it's all we have.

Ken
SM-Troop 57
MC-Pack 57

--- In TMTUG@..., "bnelson45" <bnelson45@...> wrote:
>
> Is there any way to get the membership ID into a report of the list of training for a unit in troopmaster for easier entry into Scoutnet?
>
> Actually any experience anyone has with getting training from Troopmaster to Scoutnet would ge great.
>
> Bill
>

[Sarah-115]

Bill -

Doubt that councils will ever open up this area of scoutnet to the unit. Too many 'legalities' regarding training. If units were able to update training info than councils would have no checks or balances regarding required trainings.

Keep sending your local council your units records, eventually they get tired of the paperwork and update the records.

We include photocopies of all the training cards with our annual charter paperwork, sometimes they update the info, sometimes they don't....

Good luck!
Sarah

[David Wildschuetz]

Is your council requiring that your unit leader (i.e. SM, CM) be trained for their position in order to recharter this year?   If so, I would hope that they keep a good accounting of who's been trained.

David




________________________________
From: Sarah <sarah@...>
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Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:36:23 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Re: membership ids into training report

 
Bill -

Doubt that councils will ever open up this area of scoutnet to the unit. Too many 'legalities' regarding training. If units were able to update training info than councils would have no checks or balances regarding required trainings.

Keep sending your local council your units records, eventually they get tired of the paperwork and update the records.

We include photocopies of all the training cards with our annual charter paperwork, sometimes they update the info, sometimes they don't....

Good luck!
Sarah

[Kenneth-44]

LOL...I think we could ALL hope for that much...but I'm not holding my breath with ours just yet.

Ken

--- In TMTUG@..., David Wildschuetz <shamanlsn@...> wrote:

>
> Is your council requiring that your unit leader (i.e. SM, CM) be trained for their position in order to recharter this year?   If so, I would hope that they keep a good accounting of who's been trained.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sarah <sarah@...>
> To: TMTUG@...
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 9:36:23 AM
> Subject: [TMTUG] Re: membership ids into training report
>
>  
> Bill -
>
> Doubt that councils will ever open up this area of scoutnet to the unit. Too many 'legalities' regarding training. If units were able to update training info than councils would have no checks or balances regarding required trainings.
>
> Keep sending your local council your units records, eventually they get tired of the paperwork and update the records.
>
> We include photocopies of all the training cards with our annual charter paperwork, sometimes they update the info, sometimes they don't....
>
> Good luck!
> Sarah
>

[Scully0007]

Ken,



So if I understand correctly we can't do anything with training in ScoutNet now but they're working on something? You guys got me all excited when you started talking about uploading training to ScoutNet. I thought perhaps I could logon to view our council training records.



I've been trying to get the Baltimore Area Council to give me a list of our adults with the training courses they've taken and the date and I found out today that they can only provide a "trained" and "untrained" list with no dates. The only courses that appear seem to be the ones related to the position the Scouter is currently registered in. As far as I could tell the training our Scouters have taken online didn't show up on the report council provided me so that's another problem. They told me just to give them a list and they'd update their records. I told them I'll print out the TM report for them.



We're trying to get all of this straight before the training mandates are for everyone plus being new TroopMaster users (about 15-months) I have a lot of adults that claim they have training we have no record of (almost non-existent prior to TroopMaster). I was hoping council could?verify those courses for me. Now I guess I'll have to enter fake dates based on their recollection of what they've taken and I don't like to do that.



For those out there getting started I picked a date, 01/01/08 (started using TM in June 2008) and that's the date I enter for everything I don't have a true date for so I know it's a fake date.



Kathy

Troop 746

Fullerton, MD?

[Matt Price]

Kathy,

See if your District Training Chairman can provide you with those
records.  If they are using the District Troopmaster (ADMS?) It should
have information in there from who was trained, when, etc.

These things are important, since National is rolling out a policy soon
where if your leaders are not trained, you will not be allowed to
recharter - Ooops - did I let that slip?

So now we will need to have accurate records, and like a blue card that
everyone thinks is not necessary - if they can't prove they have done
the training - they will need to go through it.

Here is a hint.  Your District Training Chairman is supposed to keep
track of everyone who has done training and report it to the council.  
So if they have had the training within three years they should be able
to tell you all of the information you need.

ADMS can export it - and you can import it into troopmaster.

Matt Price
Unit Commissioner

Scully0007@... wrote:

>  
>
> Ken,
>  
> So if I understand correctly we can't do anything with training in
> ScoutNet now but they're working on something? You guys got me all
> excited when you started talking about uploading training to ScoutNet.
> I thought perhaps I could logon to view our council training records.
>  
> I've been trying to get the Baltimore Area Council to give me a list
> of our adults with the training courses they've taken and the date and
> I found out today that they can only provide a "trained" and
> "untrained" list with no dates. The only courses that appear seem to
> be the ones related to the position the Scouter is currently
> registered in. As far as I could tell the training our Scouters have
> taken online didn't show up on the report council provided me so
> that's another problem. They told me just to give them a list and
> they'd update their records. I told them I'll print out the TM report
> for them.
>  
> We're trying to get all of this straight before the training mandates
> are for everyone plus being new TroopMaster users (about 15-months) I
> have a lot of adults that claim they have training we have no record
> of (almost non-existent prior to TroopMaster). I was hoping council
> could verify those courses for me. Now I guess I'll have to enter fake
> dates based on their recollection of what they've taken and I don't
> like to do that.
>  
> For those out there getting started I picked a date, 01/01/08 (started
> using TM in June 2008) and that's the date I enter for everything I
> don't have a true date for so I know it's a fake date.
>  
> Kathy
> Troop 746
> Fullerton, MD
>

[Kenneth-44]

Kathy,

From what I was told by our District Commissioner and our District Executive, only those people and certain paid Council Staff are allowed to go in and get you that information.

I believe their excuse for the way it is for now, is that they are worried about privacy issues, although, if we already have a registered leader within the Units, we already know just as much as they do.

We were told that the DE's or some other paid Scouter would have to go in and manipulate the reports to print them out or get us a copy of an Excel file with our Leader's Training Records, but they would now allow anyone else access to that database.

Keep in mind also, that ScoutNet will only reflect the training that is required specifically for their CURRENT registered position. Any other training will not show up. That's something else I was told they're working on improving...so that it reflects ALL training completed.

Your best bet for now, is to have your current DE go in and get you a report of all the leader's Training within your unit. Request both reports, those that have training in certain areas, as well as those that do not have any or needed training for their positions.

Sorry it wasn't much help, but it's all we've got for now, until they come up with some more of those promised improvements.

Ken
SM-Troop 57
MC-Pack 57

--- In TMTUG@..., Scully0007@... wrote:

>
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> So if I understand correctly we can't do anything with training in ScoutNet now but they're working on something? You guys got me all excited when you started talking about uploading training to ScoutNet. I thought perhaps I could logon to view our council training records.
>
>
>
> I've been trying to get the Baltimore Area Council to give me a list of our adults with the training courses they've taken and the date and I found out today that they can only provide a "trained" and "untrained" list with no dates. The only courses that appear seem to be the ones related to the position the Scouter is currently registered in. As far as I could tell the training our Scouters have taken online didn't show up on the report council provided me so that's another problem. They told me just to give them a list and they'd update their records. I told them I'll print out the TM report for them.
>
>
>
> We're trying to get all of this straight before the training mandates are for everyone plus being new TroopMaster users (about 15-months) I have a lot of adults that claim they have training we have no record of (almost non-existent prior to TroopMaster). I was hoping council could?verify those courses for me. Now I guess I'll have to enter fake dates based on their recollection of what they've taken and I don't like to do that.
>
>
>
> For those out there getting started I picked a date, 01/01/08 (started using TM in June 2008) and that's the date I enter for everything I don't have a true date for so I know it's a fake date.
>
>
>
> Kathy
>
> Troop 746
>
> Fullerton, MD?
>

[Kenneth-44]

I asked our District Training Chair and District Commissioner if our District even owned the ADMS Software...they said they did, but no one knew how to use it, so no one had been keeping track of anything and putting it to good use.

It's no wonder that the Council's and Districts in our area can't keep track of Training, Advancement, Membership. etc. They want everyone else to do their leg-work for them.

Ken

--- In TMTUG@..., Matt Price <admyank@...> wrote:

>
> Kathy,
>
> See if your District Training Chairman can provide you with those
> records.  If they are using the District Troopmaster (ADMS?) It should
> have information in there from who was trained, when, etc.
>
> These things are important, since National is rolling out a policy soon
> where if your leaders are not trained, you will not be allowed to
> recharter - Ooops - did I let that slip?
>
> So now we will need to have accurate records, and like a blue card that
> everyone thinks is not necessary - if they can't prove they have done
> the training - they will need to go through it.
>
> Here is a hint.  Your District Training Chairman is supposed to keep
> track of everyone who has done training and report it to the council.  
> So if they have had the training within three years they should be able
> to tell you all of the information you need.
>
> ADMS can export it - and you can import it into troopmaster.
>
> Matt Price
> Unit Commissioner
>
> Scully0007@... wrote:
> >  
> >
> > Ken,
> >  
> > So if I understand correctly we can't do anything with training in
> > ScoutNet now but they're working on something? You guys got me all
> > excited when you started talking about uploading training to ScoutNet.
> > I thought perhaps I could logon to view our council training records.
> >  
> > I've been trying to get the Baltimore Area Council to give me a list
> > of our adults with the training courses they've taken and the date and
> > I found out today that they can only provide a "trained" and
> > "untrained" list with no dates. The only courses that appear seem to
> > be the ones related to the position the Scouter is currently
> > registered in. As far as I could tell the training our Scouters have
> > taken online didn't show up on the report council provided me so
> > that's another problem. They told me just to give them a list and
> > they'd update their records. I told them I'll print out the TM report
> > for them.
> >  
> > We're trying to get all of this straight before the training mandates
> > are for everyone plus being new TroopMaster users (about 15-months) I
> > have a lot of adults that claim they have training we have no record
> > of (almost non-existent prior to TroopMaster). I was hoping council
> > could verify those courses for me. Now I guess I'll have to enter fake
> > dates based on their recollection of what they've taken and I don't
> > like to do that.
> >  
> > For those out there getting started I picked a date, 01/01/08 (started
> > using TM in June 2008) and that's the date I enter for everything I
> > don't have a true date for so I know it's a fake date.
> >  
> > Kathy
> > Troop 746
> > Fullerton, MD
> >
>

[Matt Price]

Ken,

I agree.  The persons who are the Training Directors are required to
keep track of who took training and when, and have to report it to the
council and district Chairs for their record keeping.  Unfortunately, if
the councils decide that that is not important, then they will push it
to the side until someone pushes them.

If they have ADMS, I suggest hunting down the person who has it and have
them start using it.

Matt


Ken wrote:

>  
>
> I asked our District Training Chair and District Commissioner if our
> District even owned the ADMS Software...they said they did, but no one
> knew how to use it, so no one had been keeping track of anything and
> putting it to good use.
>
> It's no wonder that the Council's and Districts in our area can't keep
> track of Training, Advancement, Membership. etc. They want everyone
> else to do their leg-work for them.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>, Matt
> Price <admyank@...> wrote:
> >
> > Kathy,
> >
> > See if your District Training Chairman can provide you with those
> > records. If they are using the District Troopmaster (ADMS?) It should
> > have information in there from who was trained, when, etc.
> >
> > These things are important, since National is rolling out a policy soon
> > where if your leaders are not trained, you will not be allowed to
> > recharter - Ooops - did I let that slip?
> >
> > So now we will need to have accurate records, and like a blue card that
> > everyone thinks is not necessary - if they can't prove they have done
> > the training - they will need to go through it.
> >
> > Here is a hint. Your District Training Chairman is supposed to keep
> > track of everyone who has done training and report it to the council.
> > So if they have had the training within three years they should be able
> > to tell you all of the information you need.
> >
> > ADMS can export it - and you can import it into troopmaster.
> >
> > Matt Price
> > Unit Commissioner
> >
> > Scully0007@... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > So if I understand correctly we can't do anything with training in
> > > ScoutNet now but they're working on something? You guys got me all
> > > excited when you started talking about uploading training to
> ScoutNet.
> > > I thought perhaps I could logon to view our council training records.
> > >
> > > I've been trying to get the Baltimore Area Council to give me a list
> > > of our adults with the training courses they've taken and the date
> and
> > > I found out today that they can only provide a "trained" and
> > > "untrained" list with no dates. The only courses that appear seem to
> > > be the ones related to the position the Scouter is currently
> > > registered in. As far as I could tell the training our Scouters have
> > > taken online didn't show up on the report council provided me so
> > > that's another problem. They told me just to give them a list and
> > > they'd update their records. I told them I'll print out the TM report
> > > for them.
> > >
> > > We're trying to get all of this straight before the training mandates
> > > are for everyone plus being new TroopMaster users (about 15-months) I
> > > have a lot of adults that claim they have training we have no record
> > > of (almost non-existent prior to TroopMaster). I was hoping council
> > > could verify those courses for me. Now I guess I'll have to enter
> fake
> > > dates based on their recollection of what they've taken and I don't
> > > like to do that.
> > >
> > > For those out there getting started I picked a date, 01/01/08
> (started
> > > using TM in June 2008) and that's the date I enter for everything I
> > > don't have a true date for so I know it's a fake date.
> > >
> > > Kathy
> > > Troop 746
> > > Fullerton, MD
> > >
> >
>
>

[Kenneth-44]

Matt,

I know who had it...our former District Commissioner had it. Not sure if they'd passed it along to the current District Commissioner along with the license. I suggested they start using it back in November of last year...when I found out they had it.

You are exactly correct, if it's not important to the Council, they aren't going to push the issue. Until like you said before, it becomes required to have required training to recharter. Then it'll be too late to let anyone know about it.

Ken

--- In TMTUG@..., Matt Price <admyank@...> wrote:

>
> Ken,
>
> I agree.  The persons who are the Training Directors are required to
> keep track of who took training and when, and have to report it to the
> council and district Chairs for their record keeping.  Unfortunately, if
> the councils decide that that is not important, then they will push it
> to the side until someone pushes them.
>
> If they have ADMS, I suggest hunting down the person who has it and have
> them start using it.
>
> Matt
>
>
> Ken wrote:
> >  
> >
> > I asked our District Training Chair and District Commissioner if our
> > District even owned the ADMS Software...they said they did, but no one
> > knew how to use it, so no one had been keeping track of anything and
> > putting it to good use.
> >
> > It's no wonder that the Council's and Districts in our area can't keep
> > track of Training, Advancement, Membership. etc. They want everyone
> > else to do their leg-work for them.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- In TMTUG@... <mailto:TMTUG%40yahoogroups.com>, Matt
> > Price <admyank@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kathy,
> > >
> > > See if your District Training Chairman can provide you with those
> > > records. If they are using the District Troopmaster (ADMS?) It should
> > > have information in there from who was trained, when, etc.
> > >
> > > These things are important, since National is rolling out a policy soon
> > > where if your leaders are not trained, you will not be allowed to
> > > recharter - Ooops - did I let that slip?
> > >
> > > So now we will need to have accurate records, and like a blue card that
> > > everyone thinks is not necessary - if they can't prove they have done
> > > the training - they will need to go through it.
> > >
> > > Here is a hint. Your District Training Chairman is supposed to keep
> > > track of everyone who has done training and report it to the council.
> > > So if they have had the training within three years they should be able
> > > to tell you all of the information you need.
> > >
> > > ADMS can export it - and you can import it into troopmaster.
> > >
> > > Matt Price
> > > Unit Commissioner
> > >
> > > Scully0007@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > So if I understand correctly we can't do anything with training in
> > > > ScoutNet now but they're working on something? You guys got me all
> > > > excited when you started talking about uploading training to
> > ScoutNet.
> > > > I thought perhaps I could logon to view our council training records.
> > > >
> > > > I've been trying to get the Baltimore Area Council to give me a list
> > > > of our adults with the training courses they've taken and the date
> > and
> > > > I found out today that they can only provide a "trained" and
> > > > "untrained" list with no dates. The only courses that appear seem to
> > > > be the ones related to the position the Scouter is currently
> > > > registered in. As far as I could tell the training our Scouters have
> > > > taken online didn't show up on the report council provided me so
> > > > that's another problem. They told me just to give them a list and
> > > > they'd update their records. I told them I'll print out the TM report
> > > > for them.
> > > >
> > > > We're trying to get all of this straight before the training mandates
> > > > are for everyone plus being new TroopMaster users (about 15-months) I
> > > > have a lot of adults that claim they have training we have no record
> > > > of (almost non-existent prior to TroopMaster). I was hoping council
> > > > could verify those courses for me. Now I guess I'll have to enter
> > fake
> > > > dates based on their recollection of what they've taken and I don't
> > > > like to do that.
> > > >
> > > > For those out there getting started I picked a date, 01/01/08
> > (started
> > > > using TM in June 2008) and that's the date I enter for everything I
> > > > don't have a true date for so I know it's a fake date.
> > > >
> > > > Kathy
> > > > Troop 746
> > > > Fullerton, MD
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Pete-121]

 

Just over two years ago our troop asked me to start gathering information
about who was or was not trained as they had no idea about anyone's status.
Seemed an easy enough job as all I had to do was ask council and failing
that the adults themselves should have their training certificates. Ho Ho
Ho. Council had no records for who had or had not been trained. District
training chair has changed at least four times in my time and no records
appear to have been kept or passed on. We have at last count 68 adults on
our books. Most of the old timers even those that wear the Gilwell scarf
can't come up with any cards. I decided to start with a clean sheet and go
from there. At least once a month I email everyone a report from Troopmaster
of who has and hasn't and what training. I also provide the info on where
and how to take training. (after all most of this starter stuff can be done
online in no time at all) Everyone has to provide me with a scanned Jpeg of
their card before I will enter them into the TM database. This appears to
have worked whether by shaming them or providing a competitive air I don't
know but I now have nearly three hundred scanned certificates. I don't doubt
that Council will someday come asking for my records to help them out. Pete
T140

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
See if your District Training Chairman can provide you with those records.
If they are using the District Troopmaster (ADMS?) It should have
information in there from who was trained, when, etc.
These things are important, since National is rolling out a policy soon
where if your leaders are not trained, you will not be allowed to recharter
- Ooops - did I let that slip?
So now we will need to have accurate records, and like a blue card that
everyone thinks is not necessary - if they can't prove they have done the
training - they will need to go through it.
Here is a hint.  Your District Training Chairman is supposed to keep track
of everyone who has done training and report it to the council.  So if they
have had the training within three years they should be able to tell you all
of the information you need.
ADMS can export it - and you can import it into troopmaster.
Matt Price
Unit Commissioner



 





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[Tim Musson-2]

> From what I was told by our District Commissioner and our District
> Executive, only those people and certain paid Council Staff are
> allowed to go in and get you that information.

I agree, I don't think there is any way for someone not in their
system and on their networks to access ScoutNet.

> I believe their excuse for the way it is for now, is that they are
> worried about privacy issues, although, if we already have a
> registered leader within the Units, we already know just as much as
> they do.

> We were told that the DE's or some other paid Scouter would have to
> go in and manipulate the reports to print them out or get us a copy
> of an Excel file with our Leader's Training Records, but they would
> now allow anyone else access to that database.

It's just a copy paste (for some reason, it doesn't go into Excel very
well, but if you go into Word, or MS Outlook, then copy that table
into Excel it is fine).

> Keep in mind also, that ScoutNet will only reflect the training that
> is required specifically for their CURRENT registered position. Any
> other training will not show up. That's something else I was told
> they're working on improving...so that it reflects ALL training
> completed.

I am not sure I agree with that...
I recently asked my Registrar for a list of training for the adults in
my Pack and Troop. I am dual registered as Cubmaster and Troop
Committee Member, and here is what is listed for me in the Pack
records (dates and everything):

WEB Take Youth Protection Quiz  06/19/09
Youth Protection Training       06/19/09
Tiger Cub Den Ldr. Pos. Spec. Tng.      10/20/05
New Leader Essentials   10/17/05
Trek Safely     06/30/09
Weather Hazards 07/17/09
Cub Scout Leader Pow-Wow        02/02/08
Troop Committee Challenge       09/27/08
Outdoor Ldr Skills for Webelos Ldrs     10/25/08
BALOO (Basic Adult Ldr Outdoor Orie     10/18/08
Cub Scout Leader Pow-Wow        11/04/06

Note, that I was never registered as a Webelos DL, but filled the
role... 5 years ago, I was TL, then I registered as CM followed by
Troop MC about 6 months later. Nothing has changed in 3 or 4 years.

My Troop records also list some old records of Cub training, and those
leaders haven't been involved with a Pack in 6+ years.

Did I misunderstand Ken?

--
Tim

[Sarah-115]

Kathy -

A work around to get 'all' training information for an individual is to ask for the training report run under that individuals name. I know it may sound like what you have asked for, but it is different. Reports run for 'a unit' give you info on the current registered position, but reports run for 'an individual' give you all the info in the system for that individual (registered or not).

Depending on how many scouter you have council may be willing to run these reports - or ask for them 1 or 2 at a time, starting with the more involved/important positions.

Good Luck!
Sarah

[Kenneth-44]

Tim,

The report they pulled to acquire your comulative Training Records could have also been pulled from the Council's main "original" database (the older system), rather than the ScoutNet.

I was just going by what I was told by our District Staff, as well as what had been discussed on Scouting Community in "Trainers" and "Training."

Some Councils may be able to manipulate ScoutNet also somehow...I don't know...all I do know is that it's always a mystery...LOL

Ken

--- In TMTUG@..., Tim Musson <tim@...> wrote:

>
>
> > From what I was told by our District Commissioner and our District
> > Executive, only those people and certain paid Council Staff are
> > allowed to go in and get you that information.
>
> I agree, I don't think there is any way for someone not in their
> system and on their networks to access ScoutNet.
>
> > I believe their excuse for the way it is for now, is that they are
> > worried about privacy issues, although, if we already have a
> > registered leader within the Units, we already know just as much as
> > they do.
>
> > We were told that the DE's or some other paid Scouter would have to
> > go in and manipulate the reports to print them out or get us a copy
> > of an Excel file with our Leader's Training Records, but they would
> > now allow anyone else access to that database.
>
> It's just a copy paste (for some reason, it doesn't go into Excel very
> well, but if you go into Word, or MS Outlook, then copy that table
> into Excel it is fine).
>
> > Keep in mind also, that ScoutNet will only reflect the training that
> > is required specifically for their CURRENT registered position. Any
> > other training will not show up. That's something else I was told
> > they're working on improving...so that it reflects ALL training
> > completed.
>
> I am not sure I agree with that...
> I recently asked my Registrar for a list of training for the adults in
> my Pack and Troop. I am dual registered as Cubmaster and Troop
> Committee Member, and here is what is listed for me in the Pack
> records (dates and everything):
>
> WEB Take Youth Protection Quiz  06/19/09
> Youth Protection Training       06/19/09
> Tiger Cub Den Ldr. Pos. Spec. Tng.      10/20/05
> New Leader Essentials   10/17/05
> Trek Safely     06/30/09
> Weather Hazards 07/17/09
> Cub Scout Leader Pow-Wow        02/02/08
> Troop Committee Challenge       09/27/08
> Outdoor Ldr Skills for Webelos Ldrs     10/25/08
> BALOO (Basic Adult Ldr Outdoor Orie     10/18/08
> Cub Scout Leader Pow-Wow        11/04/06
>
> Note, that I was never registered as a Webelos DL, but filled the
> role... 5 years ago, I was TL, then I registered as CM followed by
> Troop MC about 6 months later. Nothing has changed in 3 or 4 years.
>
> My Troop records also list some old records of Cub training, and those
> leaders haven't been involved with a Pack in 6+ years.
>
> Did I misunderstand Ken?
>
> --
> Tim
>

[Tim Musson-2]

Ken,

Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 9:44:06 AM, you wrote:

> The report they pulled to acquire your comulative Training Records
> could have also been pulled from the Council's main "original"
> database (the older system), rather than the ScoutNet.

> I was just going by what I was told by our District Staff, as well
> as what had been discussed on Scouting Community in "Trainers" and "Training."

> Some Councils may be able to manipulate ScoutNet also somehow...I
> don't know...all I do know is that it's always a mystery...LOL

The mystery part I agree with... It seems to take forever to migrate
from MyScouting to the Council's records, but seems much faster to go
the other way.

Back on topic - how do other units keep their TM updated on training.
I am not the Training coordinator, but I do 'own' TM. Seems the most
accurate way is to get the certificates from the leaders, but I know I
have been to training (at this past Summer Camp) where we didn't get
certificates...

Someone mentioned requiring their leaders to turn in jpeg scans of
their certificates. How would someone without a scanner do that?

--
Tim Musson,
Chief Okemos Council, Ojibwas District
Pack 180 Co-Webelos Leader, Assistant Cubmaster, webmaster
Troop 2 Advancement Chair, Webelos Transition, webmaster

Pack 180 Web Site: www.troop2el.org/pack/180
Troop 2 Web Site:  www.troop2el.org

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[Kenneth-44]

Tim,

That's how we do it too. I too own TM as the SM, ADV Chair, Training Coordinator...(tell me I'm not wearing too many hats).

We require that as soon as our leaders have completed any online training to submit a copy of the online printed certificate. Otherwise, I ask for a copy, of the original pocket certificates when they've done in-person training.

Ken

--- In TMTUG@..., Tim Musson <tim@...> wrote:

>
> Ken,
>
> Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 9:44:06 AM, you wrote:
>
> > The report they pulled to acquire your comulative Training Records
> > could have also been pulled from the Council's main "original"
> > database (the older system), rather than the ScoutNet.
>
> > I was just going by what I was told by our District Staff, as well
> > as what had been discussed on Scouting Community in "Trainers" and "Training."
>
> > Some Councils may be able to manipulate ScoutNet also somehow...I
> > don't know...all I do know is that it's always a mystery...LOL
>
> The mystery part I agree with... It seems to take forever to migrate
> from MyScouting to the Council's records, but seems much faster to go
> the other way.
>
> Back on topic - how do other units keep their TM updated on training.
> I am not the Training coordinator, but I do 'own' TM. Seems the most
> accurate way is to get the certificates from the leaders, but I know I
> have been to training (at this past Summer Camp) where we didn't get
> certificates...
>
> Someone mentioned requiring their leaders to turn in jpeg scans of
> their certificates. How would someone without a scanner do that?
>
> --
> Tim Musson,
> Chief Okemos Council, Ojibwas District
> Pack 180 Co-Webelos Leader, Assistant Cubmaster, webmaster
> Troop 2 Advancement Chair, Webelos Transition, webmaster
>
> Pack 180 Web Site: www.troop2el.org/pack/180
> Troop 2 Web Site:  www.troop2el.org
>
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[Pete-121]

Real simple for the online stuff. Just cut and paste it into a Word or a
similar document. They email them to me and I enter them into TM and email
reports from TM back. I also Xerox cards that they bring to me at the
meeting, then I scan them in later.  One of the "can be fixed by someone
with a brain' problems is the lack of training codes on ANY of the
certificates, that I have seen. I've even been to training courses where the
trainer doesn't even know the codes. How simple would it be to have that
printed on the certificates? I accept Summer camp and other forms of
training proof, University of scouting for one. Remember that TM is a great
tool for storing and reporting all this stuff. You really can't run a troop
or a pack efficiently without it. Pete T140

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Tim
Musson
Back on topic - how do other units keep their TM updated on training.
I am not the Training coordinator, but I do 'own' TM. Seems the most
accurate way is to get the certificates from the leaders, but I know I
have been to training (at this past Summer Camp) where we didn't get
certificates...

Someone mentioned requiring their leaders to turn in jpeg scans of
their certificates. How would someone without a scanner do that?








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