movie previews in konqueror or dolphin

[Rick Miles-2]

I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from kde-4.2.4 dolphin and
konqueror I do not have movie previews in place of icons even though they are set
for previews. The thumbnail generator is working as I do have previews when I do a
mouseover of any mpg file.

Suggestions would be appreciated

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[Duncan-2]

Rick Miles posted on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:39:03 +1100 as excerpted:

> I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from kde-4.2.4
> dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in place of icons
> even though they are set for previews. The thumbnail generator is
> working as I do have previews when I do a mouseover of any mpg file.
>
> Suggestions would be appreciated

There's apparently multiple separate mechanisms at work.  On a lot of
mine, I have way different thumbnails (different parts of the movie) on
mouseover than in in gwenview, and dolphin/konqueror don't seem to
generate icon thumbnails at all any more, except the 4-up sampler view on
the directory containing them.

As a consequence I tend to use gwenview for my movie browsing as well as
my still-image browsing.

FWIW, at least one generator kde uses is mplayerthumbs, formerly media-
video/mplayerthumbs, now kde-base/mplayerthumbs, and version-synced with
kde-core, so now 4.3.2.  Perhaps you lost that in the shuffle or
otherwise don't have it installed?  I think that's what gwenview uses.

Too bad they couldn't have stuck with the xine-based thumbnailers they
used in kde3, especially now that xine-libs is the major non-gstreamer
phonon backend, thus basically pulling it in as a kde4 dependency.  
There's really not so much reason to have both xine and mplayer
installed, but with xine for phonon and mplayer for mplayer thumbs...

BTW, if you're still looking for a seriously good video player front-end
to match kde3's kaffeine (the prerelease kde4 version of which was little
better than dragonplayer or the like, back when I last looked at it), let
me point you at smplayer!  It uses mplayer too, but it has even more
features than kde3's kaffeine did!  Plus, it's qt4 based, and that's of
course what kde4's based on too, so there's not a lot of additional
dependencies other than possibly mplayer, for those who are already using
kde4.  I am *SERIOUSLY* impressed!

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[James Tyrer]

Rick Miles wrote:
> I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from kde-4.2.4 dolphin and
> konqueror I do not have movie previews in place of icons even though they are set
> for previews. The thumbnail generator is working as I do have previews when I do a
> mouseover of any mpg file.
>
> Suggestions would be appreciated
>
You have to enable previews of video files.

In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".  Also
note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.  IIUC,
increasing this to the maximum does not take up more memory, but simply
takes more time to process the thumbs (but only once for each thumb).

This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files which are
dated 10/21/09.

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[Rick Miles-2]

On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:

> Rick Miles wrote:
> > I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from kde-4.2.4
> > dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in place of icons even
> > though they are set for previews. The thumbnail generator is working as I
> > do have previews when I do a mouseover of any mpg file.
> >
> > Suggestions would be appreciated
>
> You have to enable previews of video files.
>
> In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".  Also
> note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.  IIUC,
> increasing this to the maximum does not take up more memory, but simply
> takes more time to process the thumbs (but only once for each thumb).
>
> This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files which are
> dated 10/21/09.
>

Thanks James,

I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't recall that
being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews now.
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[Rick Miles-2]

On Tuesday 03 November 2009 17:30:54 Duncan wrote:

> Rick Miles posted on Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:39:03 +1100 as excerpted:
> > I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from kde-4.2.4
> > dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in place of icons
> > even though they are set for previews. The thumbnail generator is
> > working as I do have previews when I do a mouseover of any mpg file.
> >
> > Suggestions would be appreciated
>
> There's apparently multiple separate mechanisms at work.  On a lot of
> mine, I have way different thumbnails (different parts of the movie) on
> mouseover than in in gwenview, and dolphin/konqueror don't seem to
> generate icon thumbnails at all any more, except the 4-up sampler view on
> the directory containing them.
>
> As a consequence I tend to use gwenview for my movie browsing as well as
> my still-image browsing.
>
> FWIW, at least one generator kde uses is mplayerthumbs, formerly media-
> video/mplayerthumbs, now kde-base/mplayerthumbs, and version-synced with
> kde-core, so now 4.3.2.  Perhaps you lost that in the shuffle or
> otherwise don't have it installed?  I think that's what gwenview uses.
>
> Too bad they couldn't have stuck with the xine-based thumbnailers they
> used in kde3, especially now that xine-libs is the major non-gstreamer
> phonon backend, thus basically pulling it in as a kde4 dependency.
> There's really not so much reason to have both xine and mplayer
> installed, but with xine for phonon and mplayer for mplayer thumbs...
>
> BTW, if you're still looking for a seriously good video player front-end
> to match kde3's kaffeine (the prerelease kde4 version of which was little
> better than dragonplayer or the like, back when I last looked at it), let
> me point you at smplayer!  It uses mplayer too, but it has even more
> features than kde3's kaffeine did!  Plus, it's qt4 based, and that's of
> course what kde4's based on too, so there's not a lot of additional
> dependencies other than possibly mplayer, for those who are already using
> kde4.  I am *SERIOUSLY* impressed!
>

Thanks for the reply Dincan,

As James pointed out there is now a selection in Konqueror's configuration that
has to be tic'd for different types of files to be previewed in addition to the
on'off previews seletion in the View menu.

Thanks for the heads up on gwenview. I had used kuickshow before and missed it. I
hadn't bothered thinking about what else to make default for images but gwenview
will do just fine. That being said I prefer konqueror as my gui file browser.

I read somewhere that  the switch from a xine to mplayer based thumbnailer was
based on mplayerthumbs being quicker.

I have been inclined to using xine frontends for videos. Codeine, now dragon
player, for movies and I used to use klear for dvb-tv athough I timeshift more
than view in realtime. I'd rather use one ap for one job and while kaffeien can
also timeshift I've scripted our timeshihting in bash since we do half of it via
nfs to a fileserver with a dvb-t card. Nowadays if I want someting in realtime I
mostly use xine for realtime dvb, dvd's or viewing shows that have been saved to
disk.

Mplayer is on board mostly for mencoder which I use for encoding. This year there
was no getting around it and after 6 or7 years on Linux (slack) I had to put xp on
my daughter's machine due to school requirements and my wife wanting to use
windows live, or whatever that messenger with talk and webcam is called (no
comments please). Interestingly she was unable to view anything with good video
and/or audio from our videos fileshare (.vob, .ts, or mpeg.ps) until I installed
the windows version of smplayer which of course included the mplayer codecs. There
was nothing that worked as a free download and I wasn't going to pay anything for
an unknown commodity. I was impressed with smplayer.

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Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:

> On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
> > Rick Miles wrote:
> > > I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from
> > > kde-4.2.4 dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in
> > > place of icons even though they are set for previews. The
> > > thumbnail generator is working as I do have previews when I do a
> > > mouseover of any mpg file.
> > >
> > > Suggestions would be appreciated
> >
> > You have to enable previews of video files.
> >
> > In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
> > Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
> > IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more memory,
> > but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but only once for
> > each thumb).
> >
> > This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
> > which are dated 10/21/09.
>
> Thanks James,
>
> I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't
>  recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews
>  now.

Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files, but
not videos.

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[Duncan-2]

Rick Miles posted on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:17:48 +1100 as excerpted:

> I had to put xp on my daughter's machine due to school requirements and
> my wife wanting to use windows live,

Everyone makes their own decisions, of course, but... I'd be explaining
that I couldn't use servantware for legal reasons (I can't agree to the
EULAs), and it'd either have to work with Linux, or I'd be looking
elsewhere for school.  Running MS is simply not a legal option for me.  
The only other alternative would be if /they/ could supply me whatever
computers, etc, to work with, that I wasn't responsible for (at that
level) and thus didn't have to worry about the EULA or the damage waivers
for.  If someone else signs away their rights and lets me work on their
system, that's rather different than me signing away my rights on my own
system, something I cannot and will not do.  That's how I can continue to
work on friend's systems and etc, and work systems if it came to it.
(Fortunately my current employer runs Novel Desktop Linux, tho of course
with their agreement with MS, that has its own issues, but again, that's
my employer taking responsibility not me, and I've never personally run
Novel/SuSE, so I haven't had to take a personal position on that one.)

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[Rick Miles-2]

On Wednesday 04 November 2009 10:54:09 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:

> Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:
> > On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
> > > Rick Miles wrote:
> > > > I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from
> > > > kde-4.2.4 dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in
> > > > place of icons even though they are set for previews. The
> > > > thumbnail generator is working as I do have previews when I do a
> > > > mouseover of any mpg file.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions would be appreciated
> > >
> > > You have to enable previews of video files.
> > >
> > > In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
> > > Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
> > > IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more memory,
> > > but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but only once for
> > > each thumb).
> > >
> > > This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
> > > which are dated 10/21/09.
> >
> > Thanks James,
> >
> > I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't
> >  recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews
> >  now.
>
> Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
> checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files, but
> not videos.

I don't know for sure Marcelo.

I have just upgraded from 4.2.2 to 4.3.3. All I had to do in 4.2.2 was select View
> Preiviews and I had previews. albeit there was a setting in Settings > Configure
Konqeror which allowed you to set the upper limit on the size of file to be
previewd which was helpfull if I had .tiff images a couple mb large. Now you have
to select each  file type, e.g. .pdf, .html, video etc. to be previewed
individually. Note you will also have to set your konqueror preview icon size to
at least 48 pixels to get the previews. But there was a minimum size requirement
previously so nothing new there.

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[Rick Miles-2]

On Wednesday 04 November 2009 11:57:09 Duncan wrote:

> Rick Miles posted on Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:17:48 +1100 as excerpted:
> > I had to put xp on my daughter's machine due to school requirements and
> > my wife wanting to use windows live,
>
> Everyone makes their own decisions, of course, but... I'd be explaining
> that I couldn't use servantware for legal reasons (I can't agree to the
> EULAs), and it'd either have to work with Linux, or I'd be looking
> elsewhere for school.  Running MS is simply not a legal option for me.
> The only other alternative would be if /they/ could supply me whatever
> computers, etc, to work with, that I wasn't responsible for (at that
> level) and thus didn't have to worry about the EULA or the damage waivers
> for.  If someone else signs away their rights and lets me work on their
> system, that's rather different than me signing away my rights on my own
> system, something I cannot and will not do.  That's how I can continue to
> work on friend's systems and etc, and work systems if it came to it.
> (Fortunately my current employer runs Novel Desktop Linux, tho of course
> with their agreement with MS, that has its own issues, but again, that's
> my employer taking responsibility not me, and I've never personally run
> Novel/SuSE, so I haven't had to take a personal position on that one.)
>

I'm over it. I use software not ideologies.

I prefer Slackware and have used it for many years because everything's vanilla
and I can configure it exactly as I whish, I can compile anything I want/need
without a hassle and it is rock solid. But I run XP on it in Vbox so I can use a
windows only ide, MPLab, to program microchips and look after some legacy Access
databases. Up until a year ago I also used win2k as it was required to run some
scada software. Preference is only one factor. My sister has been in graphics for
a long time and never buys anything but Apple because it works best for her
proprietary or not.

I use what works for me, nothing's good, nothing's bad, they all just are.


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[James Tyrer]

Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:

> Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:
>> On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
>>> Rick Miles wrote:
>>>> I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from
>>>> kde-4.2.4 dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in
>>>>  place of icons even though they are set for previews. The
>>>> thumbnail generator is working as I do have previews when I do
>>>> a mouseover of any mpg file.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions would be appreciated
>>> You have to enable previews of video files.
>>>
>>> In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
>>> Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
>>>  IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more
>>> memory, but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but
>>> only once for each thumb).
>>>
>>> This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
>>> which are dated 10/21/09.
>> Thanks James,
>>
>> I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't
>>  recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews
>> now.
>
> Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
> checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files, but
>  not videos.
>

I don't think that it is new.  However, you need to have MPlayerThumbs
and MPlayer installed.

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On 4/11-2009 00:54 "Marcelo Magno T. Sales" <mmtsales@...> wrote:

> Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:
> > On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
> > >
> > > You have to enable previews of video files.
> > >
> > > In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
> > > Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
> > > IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more memory,
> > > but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but only once for
> > > each thumb).
> > >
> > > This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
> > > which are dated 10/21/09.
> >
> > Thanks James,
> >
> > I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't
> >  recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews
> >  now.
>
> Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
> checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files, but
> not videos.
>

Same here. I run Kubuntu Jaunty with KDE 4.3.2. from backports ppa. In Dolphin
I have check boxes to select which previews to show but not for movies. In
Konqueror I have no such configuration option.

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[James Tyrer]

James Tyrer wrote:

> Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
>> Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:
>>> On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
>>>> Rick Miles wrote:
>>>>> I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from
>>>>> kde-4.2.4 dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in
>>>>>  place of icons even though they are set for previews. The
>>>>> thumbnail generator is working as I do have previews when I do
>>>>> a mouseover of any mpg file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggestions would be appreciated
>>>> You have to enable previews of video files.
>>>>
>>>> In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
>>>> Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
>>>>  IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more
>>>> memory, but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but
>>>> only once for each thumb).
>>>>
>>>> This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
>>>> which are dated 10/21/09.
>>> Thanks James,
>>>
>>> I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't
>>>  recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews
>>> now.
>> Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
>> checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files, but
>>  not videos.
>>
> I don't think that it is new.  However, you need to have MPlayerThumbs
> and MPlayer installed.
>

Note that what has changed is that MPlayerThumbs is now included in
KDE-4.3 as of May 5, 2009 revision 963747.  So, you used to have to
install it separately, but you don't need to anymore.  You still need
MPlayer though which seems like a poor choice since you probably already
have Xine and GStreamer installed.

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[James Tyrer]

Thomas Olsen wrote:

> On 4/11-2009 00:54 "Marcelo Magno T. Sales" <mmtsales@...> wrote:
>> Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:
>>> On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
>>>> You have to enable previews of video files.
>>>>
>>>> In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
>>>> Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
>>>> IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more memory,
>>>> but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but only once for
>>>> each thumb).
>>>>
>>>> This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
>>>> which are dated 10/21/09.
>>> Thanks James,
>>>
>>> I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't
>>>  recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews
>>>  now.
>> Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
>> checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files, but
>> not videos.
>>
>
> Same here. I run Kubuntu Jaunty with KDE 4.3.2. from backports ppa. In Dolphin
> I have check boxes to select which previews to show but not for movies. In
> Konqueror I have no such configuration option.
>

Do you mean that you can't find: "File Management -> General" in the
Konqueror KCM in Konqueror at "Settings -> Configure Konqueror"?

The option isn't going to be there unless you have MPlayer installed and
either have KDEMultimedia that includes MPlayerThubs or you installed it
separately.

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On 4/11-2009 10:03 James Tyrer <jrtyrer@...> wrote:

> Thomas Olsen wrote:
> > On 4/11-2009 00:54 "Marcelo Magno T. Sales" <mmtsales@...> wrote:
> >> Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:
> >>> On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
> >>>> You have to enable previews of video files.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
> >>>> Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
> >>>> IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more memory,
> >>>> but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but only once for
> >>>> each thumb).
> >>>>
> >>>> This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
> >>>> which are dated 10/21/09.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks James,
> >>>
> >>> I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I don't
> >>>  recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have previews
> >>>  now.
> >>
> >> Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
> >> checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files, but
> >> not videos.
> >
> > Same here. I run Kubuntu Jaunty with KDE 4.3.2. from backports ppa. In
> > Dolphin I have check boxes to select which previews to show but not for
> > movies. In Konqueror I have no such configuration option.
>
> Do you mean that you can't find: "File Management -> General" in the
> Konqueror KCM in Konqueror at "Settings -> Configure Konqueror"?

Yes apparently that was what I meant ;-)

> The option isn't going to be there unless you have MPlayer installed and
> either have KDEMultimedia that includes MPlayerThubs or you installed it
> separately.

I had kdemultimedia-kio-plugins and mplayer installed. Now I've installed
kdemultimedia and mplayerthumbs and I've got thumbs for videos as well.
Thanks.

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  Thomas Olsen

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Em Quarta-feira 04 Novembro 2009, James Tyrer escreveu:

> Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
> > Em Terça-feira 03 Novembro 2009, Rick Miles escreveu:
> >> On Tuesday 03 November 2009 18:23:58 James Tyrer wrote:
> >>> Rick Miles wrote:
> >>>> I just upgraded to kde-4.3.2. I note since this upgrade from
> >>>> kde-4.2.4 dolphin and konqueror I do not have movie previews in
> >>>>  place of icons even though they are set for previews. The
> >>>> thumbnail generator is working as I do have previews when I do
> >>>> a mouseover of any mpg file.
> >>>>
> >>>> Suggestions would be appreciated
> >>>
> >>> You have to enable previews of video files.
> >>>
> >>> In the "General" section, "Previews" tab check: "Video Files".
> >>> Also note the general file size limit at the bottom of the page.
> >>>  IIUC, increasing this to the maximum does not take up more
> >>> memory, but simply takes more time to process the thumbs (but
> >>> only once for each thumb).
> >>>
> >>> This is working on my system (4.3.3).  I have thumbs for files
> >>> which are dated 10/21/09.
> >>
> >> Thanks James,
> >>
> >> I didn't kotice I had to select what I wanted previews for. I
> >> don't recall that being necessary before this upgrade. I have
> >> previews now.
> >
> > Is this new in KDE 4.3.3? I have 4.3.2 installed and there is not a
> > checkbox to preview videos. I can preview several types of files,
> > but not videos.
>
> I don't think that it is new.  However, you need to have
>  MPlayerThumbs and MPlayer installed.
>

Thanks for the info! I've installed MPlayerThumbs and now I have video
previews.

[]'s
Marcelo
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