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BSDCan 2010

2009-11-30T18:04:16Z

Hello folks,

BSDCan 2010 will be held 13-14 May, 2010 in Ottawa at the University of
Ottawa. It will be preceded by two days of tutorials on 11-12 May.

We are now accepting proposals for talks.

The talks should be designed with a very strong technical content bias.
Proposals of a business development or marketing nature are not
appropriate for this venue.

If you are doing something interesting with a BSD operating system,
please submit a proposal. Whether you are developing a very complex
system using BSD as the foundation, or helping others and have a story
to tell about how BSD played a role, we want to hear about your
experience. People using BSD as a platform for research are also
encouraged to submit a proposal. Possible topics include:

* How we manage a giant installation with respect to handling spam.
* and/or sysadmin.
* and/or networking.

From the BSDCan website, the Archives section will allow you to review
the wide variety of past BSDCan presentations as further examples.

Both users and developers are encouraged to share their experiences.

The schedule is:

19 Dec 2009 Proposal acceptance begins
19 Jan 2010 Proposal acceptance ends
19 Feb 2010 Confirmation of accepted proposals

See also <http://www.bsdcan.org/2010/papers.php>

Instructions for submitting a proposal to BSDCan 2010 are available
from: <http://www.bsdcan.org/2010/submissions.php>

Re: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2010

2009-11-29T14:47:51Z

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:11:13 +0100 H_Muehlmeier@... wrote:

> Was genau ist da zu tun und welche Voraussetzungen sollte man mitbringen?

Nun, du solltest zumindest den Unterschied zwischen OpenBSD and
OpenSuSE kennen *g*

http://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/330-What-is-the-difference-between-OpenBSD-and-OpenSuSE.html

Wenn du den Fragenden dabei nicht gleich an die Gurgel gehst, ist das
gut ;-)

--
Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
German PostgreSQL User Group
European PostgreSQL User Group - Board of Directors
Volunteer Regional Contact, Germany - PostgreSQL Project

Re: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2010

2009-11-27T14:34:34Z

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:30:55 +0100
H_Muehlmeier@... wrote:

> Also wenn man keine Programmierkenntnisse braucht würde das gehen...
Allgemeine Unix-Kenntnisse und im speziellen Kenntnisse zur
Administration von NetBSD sind normalerweise ausreichend.
Es muss ja nicht gleich jeder ein Kern-Häcker-Guru sein.
Man sollte aber schon wissen was CVS ist und build.sh bedienen können.

> Auch wenn ich mir nicht vorstellen kann, dass auf einer solchen
> Veranstaltung viele "Dummuser" rumlaufen und dann ausgerechnet
> NetBSD bestaunen wollen :-)
Bei meinen Auftritten war bisher immer das volle Spektrum vom absoluten
Luser bis zum Unix-Guru vertreten.

> Also, ich könnte da was einrichten. Wie läuft das dann ab?
Das hängt ganz von dir und den anderen Ausstellern ab.

> Werden da auch Dinge vorbereitet zum anschauen?
Ja, das sollte man. Blickfänger machen sich immer gut. Ich hab dafür
gerne ne olle VAX mit noch älterem 9-Track Bandlaufwerk angeschleppt.
Hauptsache es sieht "komisch" aus und es bewegt sich was.

> Ich meine sowas wie Multiseat- Workstation mit NetBSD oder sowas
> (interessiert mich zur Zeit)?
Was du präsentierst liegt vollständig in deinem eigenen Ermessen. Du
solltest dich halt damit auskennen, um besagte dumme Fragen der dummen
Luser beantworten zu können. Einen Vortrag halten um Besucher
anzulocken ist i.d.R. auch immer gut.

> Wer koordiniert das?
Robert Doerfler hat sich dazu bereiterklärt, wie weiter oben in diesem
Diskussionsfaden zu lesen ist.
--

tschüß,
Jochen

Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

Re: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2010

2009-11-27T12:30:55Z

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 08:19:57PM +0100, Jochen Kunz wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:11:13 +0100
> H_Muehlmeier@... wrote:
>
> > Was genau ist da zu tun
> Den ganzen Tag dumm rum sitzen und die immer gleichen dummen Fragen
> beantworten. ;-)

Das könnte ich zur Not machen ;-)
>
> > und welche Voraussetzungen sollte man mitbringen?
> Geduld und Dummuserkompatibilität. Viel davon.
> Achja. Ein wenig über NetBSD bescheid wissen sollte man auch.
>
Also wenn man keine Programmierkenntnisse braucht würde das gehen...
Auch wenn ich mir nicht vorstellen kann, dass auf einer solchen Veranstaltung viele "Dummuser" rumlaufen und dann ausgerechnet NetBSD bestaunen wollen :-)

> > Wann wäre der Termin?
> Das allwissende Google-Orakel erzählt dir: 13 und 14 März.
> http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/?cookielang=de
>
> Tja. Wenn das nicht grad am anderen Ende der Republik wäre, würd ich
> mir ja auch mal wieder so eine Veranstaltung um die Ohren schlagen.
> Aber gut 500 km ist mir zu viel.
> --
>
Also, ich könnte da was einrichten. Wie läuft das dann ab? Werden da auch Dinge vorbereitet zum anschauen? Ich meine sowas wie Multiseat- Workstation mit NetBSD oder sowas (interessiert mich zur Zeit)?

Wer koordiniert das?

Gruß
Helge

>
> tschüß,
> Jochen
>
> Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

Re: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2010

2009-11-27T11:19:57Z

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:11:13 +0100
H_Muehlmeier@... wrote:

> Was genau ist da zu tun
Den ganzen Tag dumm rum sitzen und die immer gleichen dummen Fragen
beantworten. ;-)

> und welche Voraussetzungen sollte man mitbringen?
Geduld und Dummuserkompatibilität. Viel davon.
Achja. Ein wenig über NetBSD bescheid wissen sollte man auch.

> Wann wäre der Termin?
Das allwissende Google-Orakel erzählt dir: 13 und 14 März.
http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/?cookielang=de

Tja. Wenn das nicht grad am anderen Ende der Republik wäre, würd ich
mir ja auch mal wieder so eine Veranstaltung um die Ohren schlagen.
Aber gut 500 km ist mir zu viel.
--

tschüß,
Jochen

Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/

Re: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2010

2009-11-27T04:11:13Z

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 07:49:29AM +0000, Robert Doerfler wrote:
> >> Hallo NetBSD-Team,
> >>
> >> (...)
> >
> > Moin,

Hi,

> >
> > ich würde den Stand mal wieder anmelden. Wer Lust und Zeit für die
> > Standbetreuung hat: meldet sich einfach mal bei mir. Bisher hab ich eine
> > Zusage von Hans und imho eine von Joerg.
>
>
> ...
>
> Bisher hat sich noch niemand gemeldet, kein Interesse?! :)
>

ich war noch nie auf einer solchen Veranstaltung hätte aber, insofern Bedarf besteht, zur Zeit durchaus die Möglichkeiten es einzurichten.
Was genau ist da zu tun und welche Voraussetzungen sollte man mitbringen?
Wann wäre der Termin?

Gruß
Helge

>
> --
> Greetings,
>
> Robert
>
> You will be imprisoned for contributing your time and skill to a bank
> robbery.
>
>

Re: Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2010

2009-11-27T00:01:29Z

Am 27. November 2009 08:49 schrieb Robert Doerfler <rocrash@...>:

>>> Hallo NetBSD-Team,
>>>
>>> (...)
>>
>> Moin,
>>
>> ich würde den Stand mal wieder anmelden. Wer Lust und Zeit für die
>> Standbetreuung hat: meldet sich einfach mal bei mir. Bisher hab ich eine
>> Zusage von Hans und imho eine von Joerg.
>
>
> ...
>
> Bisher hat sich noch niemand gemeldet, kein Interesse?! :)

Ich muss abwarten, wohin mich die Auftragslage ab Januar verschlaegt.
Wenn ich heimatnahe Projekte kriege, dann gern - wenn nicht, wuerde
ich das Wochenende lieber bei der Familie verbringen.

Jens

Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 / Chemnitz Linux Days 2010

2009-11-15T08:45:21Z

Hallo NetBSD-Team,

(english version below)

voller Vorfreude dürfen wir bekannt geben, dass die Chemnitzer
Linux-Tage [1] auch im Jahr 2010 wieder stattfinden. Die Linux-Tage in
Chemnitz sind Deutschlands größte nicht kommerziell organisierte
Veranstaltung rund um Linux und Freie Software. Die zweitägige
Veranstaltung beinhaltet ein umfangreiches Vortragsprogramm und eine
Ausstellung. So werden in etwa 90 Vorträgen Grundlagen, Projekte,
Arbeiten und Erkenntnisse rund um das Thema Linux vorgestellt. Auf der
Ausstellungsfläche bieten wir 60 Projekten die Möglichkeit, sich einem
großen Publikum zu präsentieren - Stand, Strom, Internet und Poster
inklusive. Im Jahr 2009 erlebten 2600 Besucher unsere Veranstaltung
und waren, wie in den Vorjahren, begeistert. Zahlreiche Fotos und
Blog-Einträge erzählen davon [2].

Die Chemnitzer Linux-Tage 2010 finden am 13. und 14. März statt und
stehen unter dem Motto "Dienste und Dämonen". Mit dieser Mail möchten
wir auf den Call for Lectures [3] und den Call for Presentations [4]
hinweisen. Wenn Ihr Euer Projekt bei den Chemnitzer Linux-Tagen
präsentieren möchtet, meldet Euch bitte rechtzeitig mit einer
aussagekräftigen Beschreibung an. Alle Referenten, Aussteller und
Helfer erhalten unser kostenloses und legendäres Rundum-Sorglos-Paket
mit Vollverpflegung, Eintritt sowie der Teilnahme an der
Abendveranstaltung am Eröffnungstag.

Sollte es noch offene Fragen geben, zögert nicht, Euch zum Thema
Ausstellung an live@... oder zum Thema Vorträge an
vortraege@... zu wenden.

Viele Grüße aus Chemnitz

[1] http://www.linux-tage.de/
[2] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/info/bilder.html
[3] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/vortraege/call_form.html
[4] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/live/call_form.html

------------------------- english version ----------------------------

Dear NetBSD team,

We are happy to announce to you the 12th Chemnitz' Linux Days [1] in
March, 2010. Linux Days are the most popular uncommercially organised
event regarding Linux and open source software in Germany. The two-day
event offers a wide lecture programme with almost 100 lectures about
basics, projects, workings, and findings. Furthermore, we provide an
exhibition space to present a lot of projects to the public. As in
previous years, more than 2.500 visitors were greatly impressed by the
event in 2009. Pictures and blog entries give an impression [2].

Chemnitz' Linux Days 2010, themed "Services and Daemons", take place
on March 13 and 14, 2010. The Call for Lectures [3] and the Call for
Presentations [4] have already started. If you would like to showcase
your project as well, please sign up yourself and do not forget to
enter a convincing description. All speakers, exhibitors and helpers
get free entry, full board, and a free ticket for the evening event on
saturday.

In case of open queries, please do not hesitate to contact
live@... related to the exhibition or
vortraege@... related to lectures and workshops.

Kind regards from Chemnitz

[1] http://www.linux-tage.de/
[2] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2009/info/bilder.html
[3] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/vortraege/call_form.html
[4] http://chemnitzer.linux-tage.de/2010/live/call_form.html

call for volunteers at the Southern California Linux Expo in February!

2009-11-13T10:29:17Z

The Southern California Linux Expo is coming up, February 19 - 21,
2010, in Los Angeles. This is a growing open-source expo, which
attracts thousands of attendees from all over; while the name may
mention Linux, these folks are really enthusiastic about
open-source software in all it's many forms.

We've had a NetBSD booth at the expo for the last five years,
thanks to all sorts of generous volunteers. I'm looking for some
more folks to step up and help out -- it's a really fun event if
you have a few people to staff the booth, but running a booth solo
is a nightmare. I can get there with a banner and brochures and
random NetBSD hardware, but it sure would be great to have some
other folks who can talk up the project!

If you're willing to travel, but need a place to crash, I can
provide a couch. If you'd like to make a presentation, the call
for papers closes December 15. If you're curious about just how
crazy it is, and whether it's worth the trip, you could ask John
Klos and David Maxwell, who've stepped up in previous years.

Thanks!

Kevin
kml@...

BSDCan 2010 - dates

2009-11-02T20:37:44Z

Hello folks,

BSDCan 2010 will be held 13-14 May, 2010 in Ottawa, at the University of
Ottawa. It will be preceded by two days of tutorials on 11-12 May.

NOTE: the conference is Tue-Fri with social events planned for Saturday.
This differs from previous years when it was Wed-Sat.

--
Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/
BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference: http://www.bsdcan.org/
PGCon - The PostgreSQL Confernce: http://www.pgcon.org/

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2009-09-08T05:05:12Z

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Re: I unsubscribe.

2009-07-28T15:56:11Z

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, E.J. Novikovas wrote:

> What would I can wish you? Go to Hell.

See you there. I'll save you a seat.

--
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BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte

Re: I unsubscribe.

2009-07-28T15:30:40Z

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:15:38 -0500
> Patrick Pippen <dabittweiler@...> wrote:
>
>> Who gives a crap about your religious bullshit. I am a atheist and
>> your a damn fool.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
>> > Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in English. I am a
>> > catholic. I live in Lithuania.
>> > When I heard about changed NetBSD logo I exulted - they go to the right
>> > way, but I disappointed soon, because it was changed by political or ethical
>> > reasons. As a result - beastie still alive in docs page, you support obtaining
>> > of previous devotionalia by providing information where it can be purchased and
>> > so on.
>
> I had hope, that you want to be with God, to be with love and want to
> grow, but you do not. So, what will I do as a man and as a user? I will leave
> you and will forget about you as do most of users around the world.
> How should I can help you in the end? I can propose you the new meaning
> of NetBSD: "Net Base Standard Daemons". You can use it without copyright and any
> restrictions free of charge. You can even tattoo it on your favorite place of
> the body.
> What would I can wish you? Go to Hell. For most of you it should
> sound as "Good Luck".
>
> Do not worry about it, there is just words, they (may) have no power, they are
> only letters. Is it true?

Dude, seriously...

What did you expect when engaging in a NetBSD email list? That it
would be easy as pie to convert everyone over to your idea of reality?

People try that all the time and fail, just go back through the archives.

Although this is the first time it's been attempted with religion that
I can remember.

This project is all about finding common ground among people with
disparate wants, needs, styles and cultures. I have no idea where
religion fits into an open source operating system. It probably
doesn't.

With an attitude like yours, you really should put some thought into
doing less computing and devoting more time to the church. It would be
far less disappointing, I'm sure. You'd find people more people that
agree with your sensibilities.

I'll mostly sidestep the remark about going to hell. That's not part
of the reality that I live in so there's no need to abuse you over it.
You probably should bring it up at confession though :)

Andy

I unsubscribe.

2009-07-28T15:02:07Z

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:15:38 -0500
Patrick Pippen <dabittweiler@...> wrote:

> Who gives a crap about your religious bullshit. I am a atheist and
> your a damn fool.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
> > Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in English. I am a
> > catholic. I live in Lithuania.
> > When I heard about changed NetBSD logo I exulted - they go to the right
> > way, but I disappointed soon, because it was changed by political or ethical
> > reasons. As a result - beastie still alive in docs page, you support obtaining
> > of previous devotionalia by providing information where it can be purchased and
> > so on.

I had hope, that you want to be with God, to be with love and want to
grow, but you do not. So, what will I do as a man and as a user? I will leave
you and will forget about you as do most of users around the world.
How should I can help you in the end? I can propose you the new meaning
of NetBSD: "Net Base Standard Daemons". You can use it without copyright and any
restrictions free of charge. You can even tattoo it on your favorite place of
the body.
What would I can wish you? Go to Hell. For most of you it should
sound as "Good Luck".

Do not worry about it, there is just words, they (may) have no power, they are
only letters. Is it true?

Eugenijus-Jonas.

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD

2009-07-28T14:10:44Z

I personally don't believe in god.
Perhaps there is a god perhaps there is a big ganesha or some other damn
thing.
Perhaps we find out after our dead, that the Spagetthi-Monster people were
right.
But because I'm only catholic on a paper and I dont believe in any of this
shit, and im additionally drunken - which is the only reason why I am
responding on such stupid religios nonsense - you'll get the honor of getting
my honesty.
In my opinion you don't understand which is the point of this logo, you don't
even care about the technical details.
Youre just another idiotic brainiac which comes out with one of thousand
useless ideologic ideas and you're enoying valuable developers which
irrelevant statements which arent proved either.
Tell me: Is some where in the "holy bible" described how the devil looks like?
I know theres not, because I read it.
When I read something, I learn it by heart.
I also read the Tora, the Talmud, the Koran, the communistic manifest and
"Mein Kampf"
Theres nowhere described that the devil has something like horns, hooves or
other things like that.
Thats all taken from the greek mythology.
From Pan to be more precious.
The god of fun and sex.
And this image was created by the catholic church.
Freely invented paintings, exactly like the image of the angels.
They got their wings by the innovation of some drunken priest abusing some
ministrants.
So please shut up, PLEASE.
Use another OS, for exemple Ubuntu - Linux for stupid beeings . if you think
that BSD will be drawn to hell.
Dont enoy me with your superstition.
I dont care in what you believe.
Stop spamming on this list, and I'll be happy.
Thx for your attention
agnostic greatings leviathan

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Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T12:29:44Z

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Hubert Feyrer<hubert@...> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, E.J. Novikovas wrote:
>>
>> Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for yourself.
>> We live not in ancient Greece. What does it mean in modern english
>> language
>> you can check in English thesaurus, for example here:
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus.htm .
>> The Devil has the same meaning in all religious as far as I know.
>
> I find calling me a liar just because you refuse to accept anything but your
> own reality pretty rude. Please go away.

Isn't that sorta how religion works though? You had to know that was coming...

Although it's kinda funny that, depending on who you're talking to in
various places in the world, there's more than one god and more than
one savior. So someone's gotta be wrong. According to South Park, it's
the Mormons who've got it right! I think they were just guessing
though.

What we have here is the equivalent of "annoying man" yelling about
religion on the street corner, every town has them right? Seems that
they have made it to our usually docile and pragmatic email list...

Still, this guy has been a hell of a troll though. Gotta love it just for that.

Andy

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T10:52:14Z

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, E.J. Novikovas wrote:
> Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for yourself.
> We live not in ancient Greece. What does it mean in modern english language
> you can check in English thesaurus, for example here:
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus.htm .
> The Devil has the same meaning in all religious as far as I know.

I find calling me a liar just because you refuse to accept anything but
your own reality pretty rude. Please go away.

- Hubert

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T05:52:19Z

Hi,

we all know it was a nice joke, me and my old friend Lucifer had much fun
reading it, but ...

> The Devil has the same meaning in all religious as far as I know.

as far as this guy knows - and that's not very far!

"Never argue with catholics ..." ;-)

satanic greetings, Mark

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T04:28:30Z

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, E.J. Novikovas wrote:

>>>> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).
>>
>> The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology,
>> daemons were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the
>> gods' messenger. This has nothing to do with what the (christian?) church
>> connects to "the devil", even if there's some visual equivalence. A detail
>> of difference to note are that the BSD daemon does not have a horned foot
>> as one would expect from "the devil".
>>
>>
>> - Hubert
> Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for yourself.
> We live not in ancient Greece. What does it mean in modern english language
> you can check in English thesaurus, for example here:
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus.htm .

Check out thesaurus.com. One of the two meanings of daemon is "God - a
supernatural being worshipped by people". You really ought to stop
tripping up over a spelling misconception - I guess you hate Matt Damon
too for the same reasons.

--
Stephen

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T04:24:18Z

On Jul 28, 2009, at 5:09 AM, E.J. Novikovas wrote:
> Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for
> yourself.

oh ok fine ...

This reminds me of a story that Angela Thomas told me a long time ago
(this is coming out of 15 year old brain cells)... Angela and Chris
Torek were driving through the south on the way to a Usenix... They
stopped for gas and walked into the restaurant for a bite to eat and
everyone stopped talking and all looked at her.. Finally, one guy says
(and I can't spell in Texas-drawl so you'll just have to imagine it)
"Ma'am, y'all know you got the lord a darkness on your shirt?"

I guess her and Chris spun on their heels and kept driving...

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T04:09:50Z

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:20:54 +0200 (CEST)
Hubert Feyrer <hubert@...> wrote:

>
> >> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).
>
> The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology,
> daemons were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the
> gods' messenger. This has nothing to do with what the (christian?) church
> connects to "the devil", even if there's some visual equivalence. A detail
> of difference to note are that the BSD daemon does not have a horned foot
> as one would expect from "the devil".
>
>
> - Hubert

Daemon or Demon or Devil - there is no difference. Don't lie for yourself.
We live not in ancient Greece. What does it mean in modern english language
you can check in English thesaurus, for example here:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus.htm .
The Devil has the same meaning in all religious as far as I know.

Eugenijus-Jonas.

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T03:51:27Z

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:46:59 -0500
seebs@... (Peter Seebach) wrote:

> In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
> > No, it is not a joke.
>
> It may not be an intentional joke. It is absolutely a joke.
>
> The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
> symbol of the same. It's a cartoon. It has no power over you except the
> power you choose to give it.
>
If to follow your logic, God has no power over you except the power you choose
to give Him. May be you are much powerfull man in the whole Universe :) , but I
don't think so.

Eugenijus-Jonas.

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T00:54:48Z

Hello,
my name is Christophe, I am not a believer. I live in France.

You are free to make a fork of BSD software. Make one by yourself, change the
logo, keep it up-to-date, and change the license or whatever else you say. Then
see if it gets a strong support from the community, and with the help of [your]
god, of course.

'cause the things that matter in opensource are not god-given, but human-given:
followers, users, developers...

Christophe

PS: don't forget also that there is some humor in BSD's daemon, it's not the
symbol of people who deliberately choose to work with and for the Devil. It's
more of a joke by people who are not afraid of a picture. They're not idolatrous.

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T00:15:19Z

On Jul 27, 2009, at 23:56, "Christopher H" <okgreenguy@...>
wrote:

> I have Beastie tattooed on me. Am I going to hell? :-)

Maybe you do, but the guy with the pitchfork is not so bad at all, in
contrast to some ex-dictator.

Sorry, obligatory South Park reference ;).

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-28T00:00:59Z

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Hubert Feyrer wrote:
>>> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).
>
> The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology, daemons
> were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the gods'
> messenger.

You may also like to read His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman (or watch
the first third of it in the Amber Spyglass film) in which daemons are
portrayed to be a corporeal version of one's soul.

Of course, you may also find the over-powering nature of the Magisterium
and the Creator being a frail impotent old man equally as upsetting.

--
Stephen

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T23:17:26Z

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Christopher H wrote:
> I have Beastie tattooed on me. Am I going to hell? :-)

Only if you don't send pix. :)

- Hubert

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T21:55:50Z

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:32:57 -0500
"Christopher H" <okgreenguy@...> wrote:

> The spelling in English of "daemon" with the 'ae' makes it distinct from the
> more malevolent "demon" which lacks the 'a'. The first is a Greek
> mythological entity that was seen as good while the later is the devil and
> so on that your refering to. Two very different concepts. Pronunciation is
> also different. Also read
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computer_software) for more
> information. The image of a cutesy devil is a pun.

And I like Disk And Execution MONitor, even if that's not exact or
general enough :)
--
Matt

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T15:13:32Z

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:55 PM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
> No, it is not a joke. It is the way to survive. Just reread my post
> again.
> If you don't believe in God, don't believe in Devil, so - don't play with Him.
> If you play - you have deal.

Tens of thousands of people just to the north of me (I'm in Arizona)
are in serious trouble. Also quite a few from North Carolina. What
will they do to save themselves? Use Linux?

This is quite a tough one.

Darnit, troll food.

Andy

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T14:56:51Z

I have Beastie tattooed on me. Am I going to hell? :-)

Peace,
~~Christopher

"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living."
-Mother Jones

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From: "Peter Seebach" <seebs@...>
To: <netbsd-advocacy@...>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

> In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
>> No, it is not a joke.
>
> It may not be an intentional joke. It is absolutely a joke.
>
> The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
> symbol of the same. It's a cartoon. It has no power over you except the
> power you choose to give it.
>
> -s

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Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T14:48:46Z

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 04:46:59PM -0500, Peter Seebach wrote:
> In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
> > No, it is not a joke.
>
> It may not be an intentional joke. It is absolutely a joke.
>
> The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
> symbol of the same. It's a cartoon. It has no power over you except the
> power you choose to give it.

Could we please not feed the troll?

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T14:46:59Z

In message <20090727225531.c29b08cb.clm@...>, "E.J. Novikovas" writes:
> No, it is not a joke.

It may not be an intentional joke. It is absolutely a joke.

The cartoon daemon (note spelling) is not a devil, nor the devil, nor a
symbol of the same. It's a cartoon. It has no power over you except the
power you choose to give it.

-s

The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T14:32:57Z

I think you don't understand why the daemon was chosen. Read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon for lots more information.
Background services in Unix speak are refered to as "daemons." To quote
from Wikipedia

"Daemons are also characters in Greek mythology, some of whom handled tasks
that the gods could not be bothered with, much as computer daemons often
handle tasks in the background that the user cannot be bothered with."

The spelling in English of "daemon" with the 'ae' makes it distinct from the
more malevolent "demon" which lacks the 'a'. The first is a Greek
mythological entity that was seen as good while the later is the devil and
so on that your refering to. Two very different concepts. Pronunciation is
also different. Also read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computer_software) for more
information. The image of a cutesy devil is a pun.

I'm not sure if this is the Lithuanian version (country code .lt?) but you
can also read this http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon. I thought Lithuania
was a mostly Orthodox country. But even Russian has Catholics. :-)

"If it had not been for the discontent of a few who had not been satisfied
with their condition we would still be living in caves. Intelligent
discontent is the mainspring of civilization."
~~Eugene V. Debs

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E.J. Novikovas" <clm@...>
> To: <netbsd-advocacy@...>
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.
>
>
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:24:20 +0200
>> Pierrick Brossin <pierrick@...> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27 juil. 2009, at 19:28, Andy Ruhl <acruhl@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
>>> >> Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in
>>> >> English. I am a
>>> >> catholic. I live in Lithuania.
>>> >
>>> > Woo hoo! Best troll ever? Or at least this week maybe :)
>>> >
>>> > Makes me nostalgic for the "daemon" logos.
>>> >
>>> > Andy
>>>
>>> Well it's not the way to bring people to God.
>>>
>>> I hope it was a joke :-)
>>>
>>> Pierrick
>>
>> No, it is not a joke. It is the way to survive. Just reread my post
>> again.
>> If you don't believe in God, don't believe in Devil, so - don't play with
>> Him.
>> If you play - you have deal.
>>
>> Eugenijus-Jonas.
>
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Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T14:20:54Z

>> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie).

The mascot of isn't (the/a) devil, but a daemon: In greek mythology,
daemons were beings between gods and humans, e.g. think of hermes the
gods' messenger. This has nothing to do with what the (christian?) church
connects to "the devil", even if there's some visual equivalence. A detail
of difference to note are that the BSD daemon does not have a horned foot
as one would expect from "the devil".

- Hubert

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T14:11:29Z

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
> Mascot of Linux is penguin, mascot of BSD is Devil (or Beastie). Really no
> one can expect happiness in his/her life, while deal with, or support, or
> supported by Devil.

Wow, we haven't seen this one in a while... Thanks for the good chuckle! :)

Take care,
Daniel

Re: The God, the Devil and the NetBSD.

2009-07-27T12:55:31Z

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:24:20 +0200
Pierrick Brossin <pierrick@...> wrote:

> On 27 juil. 2009, at 19:28, Andy Ruhl <acruhl@...> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:52 AM, E.J. Novikovas<clm@...> wrote:
> >> Hello, my name is Eugenijus-Jonas, or Eugene-John in
> >> English. I am a
> >> catholic. I live in Lithuania.
> >
> > Woo hoo! Best troll ever? Or at least this week maybe :)
> >
> > Makes me nostalgic for the "daemon" logos.
> >
> > Andy
>
> Well it's not the way to bring people to God.
>
> I hope it was a joke :-)
>
> Pierrick

No, it is not a joke. It is the way to survive. Just reread my post
again.
If you don't believe in God, don't believe in Devil, so - don't play with Him.
If you play - you have deal.

Eugenijus-Jonas.