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by justinedelson :: Rate this Message:

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Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or companies are using Grails?

Thanks,
Justin

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by Graeme Rocher-2 :: Rate this Message:

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It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
dramatically over the past year

Regards

On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or companies are
> using Grails?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>


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Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by justinedelson :: Rate this Message:

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Can you provide any specific numbers?

Thanks


On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...> wrote:

> It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
> traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
> dramatically over the past year
>
> Regards
>
> On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or companies are
> > using Grails?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
>
>
> --
> Graeme Rocher
> Grails Project Lead
> G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
> http://www.g2one.com
>
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by glaforge :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Justin,

I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495

Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are increasing.
Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
only the visible part of the iceberg.

On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:

> Can you provide any specific numbers?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...> wrote:
> > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
> > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
> > dramatically over the past year
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or companies are
> > > using Grails?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Graeme Rocher
> > Grails Project Lead
> > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
> > http://www.g2one.com
> >
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by Steven Devijver :: Rate this Message:

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We're happily using Groovy and Grails.

Just finished building a nice web application with Grails to keep
track of our test statistics ... in 2 days.


On 10/31/07, Guillaume Laforge <glaforge@...> wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
> http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495
>
> Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are increasing.
> Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
> only the visible part of the iceberg.
>
> On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> > Can you provide any specific numbers?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...> wrote:
> > > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
> > > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
> > > dramatically over the past year
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> > > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or companies are
> > > > using Grails?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Graeme Rocher
> > > Grails Project Lead
> > > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
> > > http://www.g2one.com
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
>
>
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> Groovy Project Manager
> G2One, Inc. Vice-President Technology
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by glaforge :: Rate this Message:

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Although I didn't mention it so far, but in my previous professional
life (before founding G2One), I was working for a consulting company
which deployed several Grails applications for two famous French
broadcasting companies, a European space agency, a couple insurance
companies, and new applications are being started as I speak for a
major investment bank.
And I don't mention another couple of internal apps that were deployed
in-house to track the consultants engagements and billing, or to offer
a Google-like search interface over all the company's customer
deliverables.


On 10/31/07, Steven Devijver <steven.devijver@...> wrote:

> We're happily using Groovy and Grails.
>
> Just finished building a nice web application with Grails to keep
> track of our test statistics ... in 2 days.
>
>
> On 10/31/07, Guillaume Laforge <glaforge@...> wrote:
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> > I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
> > http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495
> >
> > Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are increasing.
> > Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
> > only the visible part of the iceberg.
> >
> > On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> > > Can you provide any specific numbers?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...> wrote:
> > > > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
> > > > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
> > > > dramatically over the past year
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> > > > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or companies are
> > > > > using Grails?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Justin
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Graeme Rocher
> > > > Grails Project Lead
> > > > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
> > > > http://www.g2one.com
> > > >
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> > >
> >
> >
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> > Guillaume Laforge
> > Groovy Project Manager
> > G2One, Inc. Vice-President Technology
> > http://www.g2one.com
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by justinedelson :: Rate this Message:

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Thanks. Now all I need are corresponding numbers for Wicket (don't ask).

On 10/31/07, Guillaume Laforge <glaforge@...> wrote:
Hi Justin,

I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495

Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are increasing.
Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
only the visible part of the iceberg.

On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@... > wrote:

> Can you provide any specific numbers?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...> wrote:
> > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
> > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
> > dramatically over the past year
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
> > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or companies are
> > > using Grails?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Graeme Rocher
> > Grails Project Lead
> > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
> > http://www.g2one.com
> >
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by hcunningham :: Rate this Message:

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one easy way to generate numbers is statistics from hosting environments (e.g.
sourceforge statistics links; presubably the codehaus infrastructure has similar)

counting users can actually reduce their number; my project used to require
registration before download, but sometimes people won't do something that
requires more than a click or two :-(

h

Justin Edelson wrote:

> Thanks. Now all I need are corresponding numbers for Wicket (don't ask).
>
> On 10/31/07, *Guillaume Laforge* <glaforge@...
> <mailto:glaforge@...>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Justin,
>
>     I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
>     http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495
>
>     Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are
>     increasing.
>     Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
>     only the visible part of the iceberg.
>
>     On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...
>     <mailto:justin@...> > wrote:
>      > Can you provide any specific numbers?
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      >
>      > On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...
>     <mailto:graeme@...>> wrote:
>      > > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
>      > > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
>      > > dramatically over the past year
>      > >
>      > > Regards
>      > >
>      > > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson < justin@...
>     <mailto:justin@...>> wrote:
>      > > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or
>     companies are
>      > > > using Grails?
>      > > >
>      > > > Thanks,
>      > > > Justin
>      > > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > --
>      > > Graeme Rocher
>      > > Grails Project Lead
>      > > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
>      > > http://www.g2one.com <http://www.g2one.com>
>      > >
>      > >
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>      > >
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>      >
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>
>     --
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>     Groovy Project Manager
>     G2One, Inc. Vice-President Technology
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

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Nonsense... you just get a lot of new Barney Rubleses and Fred Flinstoneses. Don't you hate it when companies insist you register for the darnedest things? :-)
 

----- Original Message ----
From: Hamish Cunningham <hamish@...>
To: user@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:44:49 AM
Subject: Re: [grails-user] Re: number of people/companies using Grails

one easy way to generate numbers is statistics from hosting environments (e.g.
sourceforge statistics links; presubably the codehaus infrastructure has similar)

counting users can actually reduce their number; my project used to require
registration before download, but sometimes people won't do something that
requires more than a click or two :-(

h

Justin Edelson wrote:

> Thanks. Now all I need are corresponding numbers for Wicket (don't ask).
>
> On 10/31/07, *Guillaume Laforge* <glaforge@...
> <mailto:glaforge@...>> wrote:
>
>    Hi Justin,
>
>    I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
>    http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495
>
>    Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are
>    increasing.
>    Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
>    only the visible part of the iceberg.
>
>    On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...> > wrote:
>      > Can you provide any specific numbers?
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      >
>      > On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...
>    <mailto:graeme@...>> wrote:
>      > > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
>      > > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
>      > > dramatically over the past year
>      > >
>      > > Regards
>      > >
>      > > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson < justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...>> wrote:
>      > > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or
>    companies are
>      > > > using Grails?
>      > > >
>      > > > Thanks,
>      > > > Justin
>      > > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > --
>      > > Graeme Rocher
>      > > Grails Project Lead
>      > > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
>      > > http://www.g2one.com <http://www.g2one.com>
>      > >
>      > >
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>    Groovy Project Manager
>    G2One, Inc. Vice-President Technology
>    http://www.g2one.com
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by justinedelson :: Rate this Message:

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isn't that what bugmenot is for?

On 10/31/07, Christian Leskowsky <angryfraggle@...> wrote:
Nonsense... you just get a lot of new Barney Rubleses and Fred Flinstoneses. Don't you hate it when companies insist you register for the darnedest things? :-)

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Hamish Cunningham <hamish@...>
To: user@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:44:49 AM
Subject: Re: [grails-user] Re: number of people/companies using Grails

one easy way to generate numbers is statistics from hosting environments (e.g.
sourceforge statistics links; presubably the codehaus infrastructure has similar)

counting users can actually reduce their number; my project used to require
registration before download, but sometimes people won't do something that
requires more than a click or two :-(

h

Justin Edelson wrote:

> Thanks. Now all I need are corresponding numbers for Wicket (don't ask).
>
> On 10/31/07, *Guillaume Laforge* <glaforge@...
> <mailto:glaforge@...>> wrote:
>
>    Hi Justin,
>
>    I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
>    http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495
>
>    Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are
>    increasing.
>    Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
>    only the visible part of the iceberg.
>
>    On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...> > wrote:
>      > Can you provide any specific numbers?
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      >
>      > On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...
>    <mailto:graeme@...>> wrote:
>      > > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
>      > > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
>      > > dramatically over the past year
>      > >
>      > > Regards
>      > >
>      > > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson < justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...>> wrote:
>      > > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or
>    companies are
>      > > > using Grails?
>      > > >
>      > > > Thanks,
>      > > > Justin
>      > > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > --
>      > > Graeme Rocher
>      > > Grails Project Lead
>      > > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
>      > > http://www.g2one.com <http://www.g2one.com>
>      > >
>      > >
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>    Groovy Project Manager
>    G2One, Inc. Vice-President Technology
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

by JamesPage :: Rate this Message:

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Why not build a very quick survey tool and ask people....



On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...> wrote:
isn't that what bugmenot is for?


On 10/31/07, Christian Leskowsky <angryfraggle@...> wrote:
Nonsense... you just get a lot of new Barney Rubleses and Fred Flinstoneses. Don't you hate it when companies insist you register for the darnedest things? :-)

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Hamish Cunningham <hamish@...>
To: user@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:44:49 AM
Subject: Re: [grails-user] Re: number of people/companies using Grails

one easy way to generate numbers is statistics from hosting environments (e.g.
sourceforge statistics links; presubably the codehaus infrastructure has similar)

counting users can actually reduce their number; my project used to require
registration before download, but sometimes people won't do something that
requires more than a click or two :-(

h

Justin Edelson wrote:

> Thanks. Now all I need are corresponding numbers for Wicket (don't ask).
>
> On 10/31/07, *Guillaume Laforge* <glaforge@...
> <mailto:glaforge@...>> wrote:
>
>    Hi Justin,
>
>    I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
>    http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495
>
>    Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are
>    increasing.
>    Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
>    only the visible part of the iceberg.
>
>    On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...> > wrote:
>      > Can you provide any specific numbers?
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      >
>      > On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...
>    <mailto:graeme@...>> wrote:
>      > > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
>      > > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
>      > > dramatically over the past year
>      > >
>      > > Regards
>      > >
>      > > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson < justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...>> wrote:
>      > > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or
>    companies are
>      > > > using Grails?
>      > > >
>      > > > Thanks,
>      > > > Justin
>      > > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > --
>      > > Graeme Rocher
>      > > Grails Project Lead
>      > > G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
>      > > http://www.g2one.com <http://www.g2one.com>
>      > >
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Re: Re: number of people/companies using Grails

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True. :-)
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Justin Edelson <justin@...>
To: user@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:07:26 AM
Subject: Re: [grails-user] Re: number of people/companies using Grails

isn't that what bugmenot is for?

On 10/31/07, Christian Leskowsky <angryfraggle@...> wrote:
Nonsense... you just get a lot of new Barney Rubleses and Fred Flinstoneses. Don't you hate it when companies insist you register for the darnedest things? :-)

 

----- Original Message ----
From: Hamish Cunningham <hamish@...>
To: user@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:44:49 AM
Subject: Re: [grails-user] Re: number of people/companies using Grails

one easy way to generate numbers is statistics from hosting environments (e.g.
sourceforge statistics links; presubably the codehaus infrastructure has similar)

counting users can actually reduce their number; my project used to require
registration before download, but sometimes people won't do something that
requires more than a click or two :-(

h

Justin Edelson wrote:

> Thanks. Now all I need are corresponding numbers for Wicket (don't ask).
>
> On 10/31/07, *Guillaume Laforge* <glaforge@...
> <mailto:glaforge@...>> wrote:
>
>    Hi Justin,
>
>    I sent a mail about mailing-list statistics recently:
>    http://www.nabble.com/Mailing-lists-statistics-tf4693805.html#a13416495
>
>    Both the number of subscribers and the number of emails a day are
>    increasing.
>    Usually, the number of subscribers to OSS project mailing-lists is
>    only the visible part of the iceberg.
>
>    On 10/31/07, Justin Edelson <justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...> > wrote:
>      > Can you provide any specific numbers?
>      >
>      > Thanks
>      >
>      >
>      > On 10/31/07, Graeme Rocher <graeme@...
>    <mailto:graeme@...>> wrote:
>      > > It is hard to tell, typically we measure things like mailing list
>      > > traffic, downloads and blog traffic all of which have increased
>      > > dramatically over the past year
>      > >
>      > > Regards
>      > >
>      > > On 10/30/07, Justin Edelson < justin@...
>    <mailto:justin@...>> wrote:
>      > > > Does anyone have a good way to gage how many people and/or
>    companies are
>      > > > using Grails?
>      > > >
>      > > > Thanks,
>      > > > Justin
>      > > >
>      > >
>      > >
>      > > --
>      > > Graeme Rocher
>      > > Grails Project Lead
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