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Re: Need some help

2009-12-20T14:51:40Z

Hi Bernhard,

Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> Hi Andy, all,
>
> I started before Jens uploaded his work, so I finished my version of
> your work too:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Pamphlet_BD.odt
>
> I used the graphics from the OOo3 splash screen.
>
> Best regards

Thanks. Looks good.

Happy Holidays to all.

Andy

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Re: Need some help

2009-12-20T14:28:09Z

Hi Andy, all,

Andy Brown schrieb:

> Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> After registration to the wiki at
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin
>> upload the file
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Upload
>> and post the link here on the list.
>>
>> If you have any problems, I could upload it for you (if you didn't work
>> on v5 in between, otherwise please send me the new file).
>>
>
> Uploaded at
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOoPamphletv5a.odt . Hope
> someone can do something with it. I removed the original graphic and
> added the OpenOffice.org 3 logo.

I started before Jens uploaded his work, so I finished my version of
your work too:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Pamphlet_BD.odt

I used the graphics from the OOo3 splash screen.

Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: Need some help

2009-12-20T06:24:15Z

Hi Jens,

Jens Habermann wrote:
> Hi!
>
> As I am snowed in I had some extra time and reworked the pamphlet:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Pamphlet-trifold.pdf
>
> regards
> Jens
>

Thank a lot. Look good to me.

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Re: Need some help

2009-12-20T05:07:20Z

Hi!

As I am snowed in I had some extra time and reworked the pamphlet:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:Pamphlet-trifold.pdf

regards
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Re: Need some help

2009-12-19T16:23:49Z

Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> After registration to the wiki at
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin
> upload the file
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Upload
> and post the link here on the list.
>
> If you have any problems, I could upload it for you (if you didn't work
> on v5 in between, otherwise please send me the new file).
>

Uploaded at
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:OOoPamphletv5a.odt . Hope
someone can do something with it. I removed the original graphic and
added the OpenOffice.org 3 logo.

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Re: Need some help

2009-12-19T16:13:06Z

Hi Andy,

Andy Brown schrieb:
> Hi Bernhard,
>
> Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>> [...]
>> Andy, would you mind uploading it to the wiki?
>
> Where?

After registration to the wiki at
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin
upload the file
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Upload
and post the link here on the list.

If you have any problems, I could upload it for you (if you didn't work
on v5 in between, otherwise please send me the new file).

Best regards

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Re: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-19T15:54:39Z

Hi Raz, *

Raz Cumbe schrieb:

>
>
>
> Hi Bernhard,
>>
>> Have you already created an account on the wiki?
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin
>>
>
>
> I created an account on the wiki and I'm all set. All buttons are uploaded.

I'm going to integrate them in the button gallery [1] - or at least the
first ones to show you how to do that.

> Let me know if you think there should be some changes to them. I think there was one where the "3" looked a little choppy. I may want to go back and fix that one.

I'll be back on the topic, when they are reachable via the gallery.

Best regards

Bernhard

[1]: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/WebButtons

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Re: Need some help

2009-12-19T15:14:45Z

Hi Bernhard,

Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> Hi Andy, all
>
> I already got the file - but unfortunately didn't have the time to
> comment and work on it during the last weeks.

The reason I posted it in the list was to get input from those that may
have time. I understand that most folks are busy but hoped some may
have the time to help out.

> Andy, would you mind uploading it to the wiki?

Where?

> As already mentioned in the thread on dev@marketing [1], the flyer is
> mainly text based and lacks some graphical elements.
>
> Has anybody time to have a look at it?

So far no one has ask for a copy to work from. That is why I posted to
this list, a suggestion from Florian to get some help with the graphic
parts.

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Re: Need some help

2009-12-19T14:39:27Z

Hi Andy, all

Andy Brown schrieb:
> I have a pamphlet, tri fold, that I am told needs some graphics to make
> it better. Is there anyone here willing to give it a go? If so I can
> send the ODT file, just let me know.

I already got the file - but unfortunately didn't have the time to
comment and work on it during the last weeks.

Andy, would you mind uploading it to the wiki?

As already mentioned in the thread on dev@marketing [1], the flyer is
mainly text based and lacks some graphical elements.

Has anybody time to have a look at it?

Best regards

Bernhard

[1]:
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=dev&by=thread&from=2317594

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Need some help

2009-12-19T12:18:54Z

I have a pamphlet, tri fold, that I am told needs some graphics to make
it better. Is there anyone here willing to give it a go? If so I can
send the ODT file, just let me know.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Graphics designer and copywriter looking to help out.

2009-12-18T04:46:52Z

Hi Paul,

that's great to hear! I think that support for "moving images" is highly
appreciated :-)

Some weeks ago, Rosana was so kind to work on the Renaissance FAQ videos
you can find at [1]. She uploaded them to the separate channel
"openofficeorg" to YouTube [2]. Maybe this basic information already
helps a bit.

And, I've noticed that Christian Lippka (Impress Team) provided a small
screencast to show some _early_ development results with regard to slide
handling [3]. So there are developers who start using YouTube to
communicate intermediate results :-) What I want to say is, that videos
could already help to improve the communication within the community ...

To me, a common community identity (corporate identity seems a bit
misleading here) is missing. A decent and elegant opener, common fonts
and colors, logos ...

Paul, I hope you will enjoy the work (results *g*) for OpenOffice.org.
Thank you for your interest...

Have a nice day!
Christoph

[1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/FAQ
[2] http://www.youtube.com/openofficeorg
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIpXYtj4LMQ

Am Freitag, den 18.12.2009, 13:04 +0100 schrieb P-C:

> Hi Bernhard,
>
> Thanks for all the info! I have now read Rosana's wiki page for
> screencasting and I think I'll have a go at screencasting for
> OpenOffice. I read the guidelines but also wonder what the rules are for
> publishing screencasting? I.e. do I publish them on the wiki or, say,
> YouTube?
>
> Is there a public repository for film tutorials for OpenOffice, for
> instance for "downloading and installing"?
>
> And how about pure marketing film clips for OpenOffice? I'm thinking
> viral film with "real life" situations which can be uploaded on numerous
> locations and spread the word about the software suite? I'd like to have
> a go at that. :-) Then of course, I expect that there are guidelines as
> for "marketing messages" to spread, for instance "Cost of ownership: Zero".
>
> Thanks for the welcoming, and I look forward to helping out in the
> OpenOffice community!
>
> Best regards,
> Paul

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Re: Graphics designer and copywriter looking to help out.

2009-12-18T04:04:55Z

Hi Bernhard,

Thanks for all the info! I have now read Rosana's wiki page for
screencasting and I think I'll have a go at screencasting for
OpenOffice. I read the guidelines but also wonder what the rules are for
publishing screencasting? I.e. do I publish them on the wiki or, say,
YouTube?

Is there a public repository for film tutorials for OpenOffice, for
instance for "downloading and installing"?

And how about pure marketing film clips for OpenOffice? I'm thinking
viral film with "real life" situations which can be uploaded on numerous
locations and spread the word about the software suite? I'd like to have
a go at that. :-) Then of course, I expect that there are guidelines as
for "marketing messages" to spread, for instance "Cost of ownership: Zero".

Thanks for the welcoming, and I look forward to helping out in the
OpenOffice community!

Best regards,
Paul

Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> P-C schrieb:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm a happy user of the OpenOffice suite and have now decided that I
>> want to give something back to the community.
>
> Great! Every contribution is welcome!
>
> > So I'd be happy to provide
>> the following: Graphics design (2D and web), viral film (production),
>> copywriting (English, Swedish).
>
> If you want to work on films - please have a look at Rosana's
> screen-cast wiki page:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Screencast
>
> For copywriting you might subscribe to dev@... too.
>
> With regards to Graphics Design: Did you have already had a look at
> our wiki?
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art
>
> There are some starting points mentioned in the pages linked from the
> area under the title.
>
> If you are interested in providing artwork in areas where we lack OOo3
> related designs (please have a look at the "Additional Artwork
> Gallery"), don't hesitate to help us.
>
> I'd recommend to come back to the list, once you found an area you
> want to work on (Clipart?, banners?, what ever you want) or if you
> feel stuck at any time.
>
> Welcome to our team!
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
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RE: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-17T07:18:11Z

Hi Bernhard,
>
> Have you already created an account on the wiki?
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin
>

I created an account on the wiki and I'm all set. All buttons are uploaded.
Let me know if you think there should be some changes to them. I think there was one where the "3" looked a little choppy. I may want to go back and fix that one.
-Raz

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Re: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-15T14:51:35Z

Hi Raz,

Raz Cumbe schrieb:

>
> Hi Bernhard,
>>
>> I'd rather upload them to the wiki and integrate them in the wiki page:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/WebButtons
>>
>> (at the moment still empty)
>>
>> If you don't know how - please ask.
>
> Yes, I'm a little lost. There doesn't seem to be a spot where I can upload my files.

Have you already created an account on the wiki?
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin

If you're logged in, you find on every page in the left navigation area
the third entry of the third section ("Toolbox"). This link is titles
with "Upload files" and brings you to a page, where you can upload them.

After uploading them, you can link to them from the gallery page.

You can look at the poster gallery for reference:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/PostersBannersFlyers

Or just ask here, if you have uploaded the first buttons - I'll be glad
to help you.

Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: Graphics designer and copywriter looking to help out.

2009-12-15T14:40:52Z

Hi Paul,

P-C schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> I'm a happy user of the OpenOffice suite and have now decided that I
> want to give something back to the community.

Great! Every contribution is welcome!

> So I'd be happy to provide
> the following: Graphics design (2D and web), viral film (production),
> copywriting (English, Swedish).

If you want to work on films - please have a look at Rosana's
screen-cast wiki page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Screencast

For copywriting you might subscribe to dev@... too.

With regards to Graphics Design: Did you have already had a look at our
wiki?
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art

There are some starting points mentioned in the pages linked from the
area under the title.

If you are interested in providing artwork in areas where we lack OOo3
related designs (please have a look at the "Additional Artwork
Gallery"), don't hesitate to help us.

I'd recommend to come back to the list, once you found an area you want
to work on (Clipart?, banners?, what ever you want) or if you feel stuck
at any time.

Welcome to our team!

Best regards

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RE: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-14T12:45:15Z

Hi Bernhard,
>
> I'd rather upload them to the wiki and integrate them in the wiki page:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/WebButtons
>
> (at the moment still empty)
>
> If you don't know how - please ask.

Yes, I'm a little lost. There doesn't seem to be a spot where I can upload my files.
Please advise.
Thanks
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Graphics designer and copywriter looking to help out.

2009-12-14T00:26:24Z

Hello,

I'm a happy user of the OpenOffice suite and have now decided that I
want to give something back to the community. So I'd be happy to provide
the following: Graphics design (2D and web), viral film (production),
copywriting (English, Swedish).

Thanks!

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Re: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-13T12:54:26Z

Hi Raz,

Raz Cumbe schrieb:
> [...] I have finished the web buttons. Do I upload them to the same place as the logos?
> Please let me know.

I'd rather upload them to the wiki and integrate them in the wiki page:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Gallery/WebButtons

(at the moment still empty)

If you don't know how - please ask.

Thanks

Bernhard

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RE: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-13T12:10:19Z

> Hi Raz,
>
> sorry for the late reply!

Hi Bernhard,
No worries. I have finished the web buttons. Do I upload them to the same place as the logos?
Please let me know.
Thanks.
-Raz

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Re: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-12T13:52:34Z

Hi Raz,

sorry for the late reply!

Raz Cumbe schrieb:

>
> Hello Bernhard,
>
>
>
>> What I noticed during the revision:
>> One file (not provided by you, but uploaded earlier) seems to be corrupted:
>> http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/version3/grey/ooo-3-logo-grey-cmyk.eps
>>
>> Do you see a chance to update it?
>
>
> All Done!

Thank you very much!
I integrated it in the logo gallery:

http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/

Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: ODF icon design

2009-12-07T14:45:53Z

Hi all,

just to inform you:

I posted a link to the Artist Sandbox and to this thread on
discuss@... [1], where the ODF icon discussion is evolving
very well.

At the moment we are collecting design principles from different
platforms and distributions to find out, if there is a way to provide a
set of icons that might be used without or with minor modifications only
on their desktops.

If someone is interested in this topic and not already subscribed to
discuss@..., here is the link to the thread in the archive:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discuss&by=thread&from=2299760

Best regards

Bernhard

[1] not yet listed in the archives, but it should be probably this mail:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=4469

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Re: Re: [marketing] OOo@FOSDEM -> general merchandising material -> request for designs!!!

2009-12-07T13:35:46Z

Hi Bernard,

first of all i missed my own goal to work on this independent of one
special event. Now we are again in the situation that we have limited
time ...

Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> Hi Jürgen, all,
>
> I'm forwarding this mail to the Art project. Perhaps we can produce some
> cool artwork for posters, banners and merchandising.
>
> Juergen Schmidt schrieb:
>> Hi,
>>
>> as already communicated OOs will have again a stand at FOSDEM 2010. That
>> means we have to think about our presence there.
>>
>> One thing is definitely to have some give aways in place which is common
>> practice and which is of course a good opportunity to promote our office
>> and to collect some donations as well.
>
> Do you want to order the merchandising at Hamburg, at Bruxelles or
> should they be produced elsewhere and sent to you?

it depends, last year i have produced the t-shirts here in Hamburg
because of the existing connection to the vendor. And the quality of the
shirts was of course good ...

I will make some pictures of the shirt from last year and put it on the
wiki from last year.

But we are flexible ...

The whole thing depends on available budget anyway and the budget holder
expect concrete numbers ;-)

>
> Sometimes the producers have special formats or limitations we need to
> respect - and I'd recommend to have a look at a prototype before the
> final production starts...
sure and as far as we know more details about the things we want to
address we can work on more concrete offers with everything that is
needed. But we can probably expect a 4color print or so ...

>>
>>
>> On the fosdem@marketing list i have already posted some initial ideas
>> and because of the fact that we have again limited time i would like to
>> ask for design ideas for
>>
>> - small circular sticker 50mm
>> - lanyard keychains
>> - cups
>> - t-shirts
>>
>> Additional new ideas of other merchandising stuff are also welcome ;-)
>
> What's about USB sticks (with OOo) - perhaps too expensive for give-aways?

yes, probably too expensive.

>>
>>
>> The current official logo should be part of any design. The logo +
>> something special. Special in the case that all people who bought a
>> t-Shirt this year will buy the new shirt next year as well because of
>> the coolness factor. Can achieve this??? I hope so ...
>
> Do you want this special addition to be specially designed for FOSDEM or
> should the items be reused on other fairs and events too?
no, no special edition for FOSDEM. It's better to keep the stuff
independent of an event for better reuse.

>>
>> Additional to the merchandising stuff we should think about 1 or posters
>> that can we use at our stand. Posters showing some important info that
>> people should know ....
>>
>> We need also some kind of banner of so that we can put at front of the
>> tables ...
>>
>> More ideas???
>
> Perhaps a OOo@FOSDEM web button?

where do you want to use it?

Juergen

>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [marketing] OOo@FOSDEM -> general merchandising material -> request for designs!!!

2009-12-07T12:47:30Z

Hi Jürgen, all,

I'm forwarding this mail to the Art project. Perhaps we can produce some
cool artwork for posters, banners and merchandising.

Juergen Schmidt schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> as already communicated OOs will have again a stand at FOSDEM 2010. That
> means we have to think about our presence there.
>
> One thing is definitely to have some give aways in place which is common
> practice and which is of course a good opportunity to promote our office
> and to collect some donations as well.

Do you want to order the merchandising at Hamburg, at Bruxelles or
should they be produced elsewhere and sent to you?

Sometimes the producers have special formats or limitations we need to
respect - and I'd recommend to have a look at a prototype before the
final production starts...

>
>
> On the fosdem@marketing list i have already posted some initial ideas
> and because of the fact that we have again limited time i would like to
> ask for design ideas for
>
> - small circular sticker 50mm
> - lanyard keychains
> - cups
> - t-shirts
>
> Additional new ideas of other merchandising stuff are also welcome ;-)

What's about USB sticks (with OOo) - perhaps too expensive for give-aways?
>
>
> The current official logo should be part of any design. The logo +
> something special. Special in the case that all people who bought a
> t-Shirt this year will buy the new shirt next year as well because of
> the coolness factor. Can achieve this??? I hope so ...

Do you want this special addition to be specially designed for FOSDEM or
should the items be reused on other fairs and events too?
>
> Additional to the merchandising stuff we should think about 1 or posters
> that can we use at our stand. Posters showing some important info that
> people should know ....
>
> We need also some kind of banner of so that we can put at front of the
> tables ...
>
> More ideas???

Perhaps a OOo@FOSDEM web button?

Best regards

Bernhard

>
> Juergen
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: ODF icon design

2009-12-05T12:11:01Z

Hi Stefan, *

Stefan Taxhet schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> It's interesting and encouraging to see how much activity a proposed
> change of the set of document icons can trigger.
>
> But I think it's unfortunate that the discussion tends to fray out.
This is always a problem with topics affecting different teams and projects.

If I want to involve experts on a certain subtopic, I have to join their
group, ask for their opinion and support and come back with the results
to the main discussion list.
> I
> know that some of you are already subscribed to discuss@ux and would
> suggest to others to do so (discuss-subscribe@...). Input
> from an "artworker"'s point of view is certainly welcome there.
Even if I support your invitation - not every artist is interested in UX
(happens quite often in such a diversified project like OOo - not even
all active contributors subscribe to discuss@OOo).

Therefore I asked for support on the design here, collected the first
ideas and will come back with the results to discuss@... during the
next days.

Of course it means to repeat parts of the discussion held at the other
places, but that's exactly the point: A discussion without involving the
experts will not be as well funded as on their own list.

It is important to keep the main discussion in one place, but for
special questions we have to ask the specialists at their project.

Like on dev@marketing the result of the work here will be transported to
the UX project - and perhaps we'll see one or another Art Project member
on discuss@... because working on the topic raised his or her
attention on the general idea of ODF icons.

I don't konw if I can post the mail on discuss@... today, but I'll do
it as soon as possible.

Best regards

Bernhard

In my eyes it is not possible to get optimal results, if we just

> If I only could set the reply-to: header, but that's a different story...
>
> Thanks
> Stefan
>
>
> Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>> Martin Hollmichel schrieb:
>>> Hi Bernhard,
>>>
>>> Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>>>> Hi Jens, Nik, all
>>>>
>>>> thanks for joining this task and for uploading your drafts.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to comment on both of your designs and add a few thoughts
>>>> not mentioned before (at least not here on this list):
>>>>
>>>> Jens: Your app icons look great, but I don't think we should change
>>>> them in such a radical way with a minor release. If people don't
>>>> recognize their applications and files, they might become upset...
>>> I find them interesting as well. On some colors the seagulls could
>>> have some more contrast...
>>>>
>>>> Representing the different file formats with other symbols might be
>>>> a good idea (we should involve UX in that question), even if they
>>>> are quite abstracted.
>>>>
>>> I think the document icons should looks somehow like document, the
>>> shape you choose seem also too abstract for me.
>>>> But for the present question there is one point to mention: ODF is
>>>> not eye-catching at all - in fact, you have to search a bit to find
>>>> the letters (this refers to both of your uploaded icons).
>>>>
>>> Maybe this is the idea behind this, one day the users may associate
>>> that shape with ODF, but I have to admit that I'm a bit septic in
>>> this aspect ;-)
>>
>> For the moment, the goal with the new icons is to improve user
>> knowledge about ODF - that's the reason why "ODF" is so prominent on
>> the icons Stella designed.
>>
>> These icons might fit to a more general update to OpenOffice.org -
>> when users know about ODF already (perhaps with OOo4?)
>>>> [...]
>>>> Even if I'm not able to design as high quality icons as you both, I
>>>> uploaded what I think might be a basis of icons that could be used
>>>> by other applications too:
>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:BeDipp#personal_sandbox
>>>>
>>> but these still contain the seagulls ?!
>>>
>>> my understanding from what you've said is: ODF document icons should
>>> have no seagulls, the app icons should have them.
>>
>> Sorry, if I've not been clear enough:
>>
>> I still want application related symbols on the icons - they can be
>> less prominent than the ODF eye-catcher, but removing them from
>> Stellas iconset was one of the points I disagreed (besides the loss
>> of file format related colors).
>>
>> I nearly don't mind the application on files that stay unchanged:
>> Browser, viewer, player and so on. In these case the file format is
>> the only important information.
>>
>> But if files are going to be modified, the application becomes
>> important to the user:
>> It makes really a difference if I work on an image with MS paint or
>> GIMP. Same with Writer or gedit on a TXT file.
>> And because of the different features of the ODF supporting
>> applications I'd like to know if a double click opens my ODT file in
>> Writer or any other app.
>>
>> Therefore I'd liek to keep the gull (or any other OOo representing
>> symbol) on the document icons.
>>
>> And I can imagine other applications switching easier to a general
>> ODF icon set, if they can add their app symbol to these icons.
>>>
>>> And: do we really need to go with the OASIS yellow or violet ? On
>>> that yellow I don't like either black or white letters, and the
>>> violet color doesn't seem to work with black Letters.
>> Why do you need black or white on the colored area?
>>
>> Why don't stay with the combination of yellow and violet?
>>
>> These colors are used for representing OASIS ODF since I got notice
>> of ODF. They are quite unique on the desktop, and in combination they
>> are eye-catching.
>>
>> I don't see a reason for OASIS to skip these colors (perhaps in favor
>> of a blue that is quite similar to the OASIS blue group), but I
>> didn't ask them yet.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Bernhard
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Re: ODF icon design

2009-12-03T15:07:07Z

Hi,

It's interesting and encouraging to see how much activity a proposed
change of the set of document icons can trigger.

But I think it's unfortunate that the discussion tends to fray out. I
know that some of you are already subscribed to discuss@ux and would
suggest to others to do so (discuss-subscribe@...). Input
from an "artworker"'s point of view is certainly welcome there.

If I only could set the reply-to: header, but that's a different story...

Thanks
Stefan

Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> Martin Hollmichel schrieb:
>> Hi Bernhard,
>>
>> Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>>> Hi Jens, Nik, all
>>>
>>> thanks for joining this task and for uploading your drafts.
>>>
>>> I'd like to comment on both of your designs and add a few thoughts
>>> not mentioned before (at least not here on this list):
>>>
>>> Jens: Your app icons look great, but I don't think we should change
>>> them in such a radical way with a minor release. If people don't
>>> recognize their applications and files, they might become upset...
>> I find them interesting as well. On some colors the seagulls could
>> have some more contrast...
>>>
>>> Representing the different file formats with other symbols might be a
>>> good idea (we should involve UX in that question), even if they are
>>> quite abstracted.
>>>
>> I think the document icons should looks somehow like document, the
>> shape you choose seem also too abstract for me.
>>> But for the present question there is one point to mention: ODF is
>>> not eye-catching at all - in fact, you have to search a bit to find
>>> the letters (this refers to both of your uploaded icons).
>>>
>> Maybe this is the idea behind this, one day the users may associate
>> that shape with ODF, but I have to admit that I'm a bit septic in this
>> aspect ;-)
>
> For the moment, the goal with the new icons is to improve user knowledge
> about ODF - that's the reason why "ODF" is so prominent on the icons
> Stella designed.
>
> These icons might fit to a more general update to OpenOffice.org - when
> users know about ODF already (perhaps with OOo4?)
>>> [...]
>>> Even if I'm not able to design as high quality icons as you both, I
>>> uploaded what I think might be a basis of icons that could be used by
>>> other applications too:
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:BeDipp#personal_sandbox
>>>
>> but these still contain the seagulls ?!
>>
>> my understanding from what you've said is: ODF document icons should
>> have no seagulls, the app icons should have them.
>
> Sorry, if I've not been clear enough:
>
> I still want application related symbols on the icons - they can be less
> prominent than the ODF eye-catcher, but removing them from Stellas
> iconset was one of the points I disagreed (besides the loss of file
> format related colors).
>
> I nearly don't mind the application on files that stay unchanged:
> Browser, viewer, player and so on. In these case the file format is the
> only important information.
>
> But if files are going to be modified, the application becomes important
> to the user:
> It makes really a difference if I work on an image with MS paint or
> GIMP. Same with Writer or gedit on a TXT file.
> And because of the different features of the ODF supporting applications
> I'd like to know if a double click opens my ODT file in Writer or any
> other app.
>
> Therefore I'd liek to keep the gull (or any other OOo representing
> symbol) on the document icons.
>
> And I can imagine other applications switching easier to a general ODF
> icon set, if they can add their app symbol to these icons.
>>
>> And: do we really need to go with the OASIS yellow or violet ? On that
>> yellow I don't like either black or white letters, and the violet
>> color doesn't seem to work with black Letters.
> Why do you need black or white on the colored area?
>
> Why don't stay with the combination of yellow and violet?
>
> These colors are used for representing OASIS ODF since I got notice of
> ODF. They are quite unique on the desktop, and in combination they are
> eye-catching.
>
> I don't see a reason for OASIS to skip these colors (perhaps in favor of
> a blue that is quite similar to the OASIS blue group), but I didn't ask
> them yet.
>
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
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RE: Logo files updated - please review...

2009-12-01T23:11:47Z

Hello Bernhard,

> What I noticed during the revision:
> One file (not provided by you, but uploaded earlier) seems to be corrupted:
> http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/version3/grey/ooo-3-logo-grey-cmyk.eps
>
> Do you see a chance to update it?

All Done!
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Re: ODF icon design

2009-12-01T11:43:25Z

Hi Martin, all,

Martin Hollmichel schrieb:

> Hi Bernhard,
>
> Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>> Hi Jens, Nik, all
>>
>> thanks for joining this task and for uploading your drafts.
>>
>> I'd like to comment on both of your designs and add a few thoughts
>> not mentioned before (at least not here on this list):
>>
>> Jens: Your app icons look great, but I don't think we should change
>> them in such a radical way with a minor release. If people don't
>> recognize their applications and files, they might become upset...
> I find them interesting as well. On some colors the seagulls could
> have some more contrast...
>>
>> Representing the different file formats with other symbols might be a
>> good idea (we should involve UX in that question), even if they are
>> quite abstracted.
>>
> I think the document icons should looks somehow like document, the
> shape you choose seem also too abstract for me.
>> But for the present question there is one point to mention: ODF is
>> not eye-catching at all - in fact, you have to search a bit to find
>> the letters (this refers to both of your uploaded icons).
>>
> Maybe this is the idea behind this, one day the users may associate
> that shape with ODF, but I have to admit that I'm a bit septic in this
> aspect ;-)

For the moment, the goal with the new icons is to improve user knowledge
about ODF - that's the reason why "ODF" is so prominent on the icons
Stella designed.

These icons might fit to a more general update to OpenOffice.org - when
users know about ODF already (perhaps with OOo4?)

>> [...]
>> Even if I'm not able to design as high quality icons as you both, I
>> uploaded what I think might be a basis of icons that could be used by
>> other applications too:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:BeDipp#personal_sandbox
>>
> but these still contain the seagulls ?!
>
> my understanding from what you've said is: ODF document icons should
> have no seagulls, the app icons should have them.

Sorry, if I've not been clear enough:

I still want application related symbols on the icons - they can be less
prominent than the ODF eye-catcher, but removing them from Stellas
iconset was one of the points I disagreed (besides the loss of file
format related colors).

I nearly don't mind the application on files that stay unchanged:
Browser, viewer, player and so on. In these case the file format is the
only important information.

But if files are going to be modified, the application becomes important
to the user:
It makes really a difference if I work on an image with MS paint or
GIMP. Same with Writer or gedit on a TXT file.
And because of the different features of the ODF supporting applications
I'd like to know if a double click opens my ODT file in Writer or any
other app.

Therefore I'd liek to keep the gull (or any other OOo representing
symbol) on the document icons.

And I can imagine other applications switching easier to a general ODF
icon set, if they can add their app symbol to these icons.
>
> And: do we really need to go with the OASIS yellow or violet ? On that
> yellow I don't like either black or white letters, and the violet
> color doesn't seem to work with black Letters.
Why do you need black or white on the colored area?

Why don't stay with the combination of yellow and violet?

These colors are used for representing OASIS ODF since I got notice of
ODF. They are quite unique on the desktop, and in combination they are
eye-catching.

I don't see a reason for OASIS to skip these colors (perhaps in favor of
a blue that is quite similar to the OASIS blue group), but I didn't ask
them yet.

Best regards

Bernhard

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RE: ODF icon design

2009-12-01T11:23:02Z

Hello Bernhard, all,

> I just collected some of the icon design drafts to our central sandbox:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Artist_Sandbox
>
> because I'd like to show them to the ODF Icon team (discussion takes
> place on discuss@...).
>
> At the moment I'm quite short in time, so please add, what you want to
> be added.
>
> Thanks in advance!

I love the ODF icons, really nice. I also like the first alt splash screen by Jens; not a big fan of the colored dots.

> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:56:33 +0100
> From: bernhard@...
> To: art@...
> Subject: Re: [art] ODF icon design
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just collected some of the icon design drafts to our central sandbox:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Artist_Sandbox
>
> because I'd like to show them to the ODF Icon team (discussion takes
> place on discuss@...).
>
> At the moment I'm quite short in time, so please add, what you want to
> be added.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bernhard
>
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Re: ODF icon design

2009-12-01T06:38:46Z

Hi Bernhard,

Bernhard Dippold wrote:

> Hi Jens, Nik, all
>
> thanks for joining this task and for uploading your drafts.
>
> I'd like to comment on both of your designs and add a few thoughts not
> mentioned before (at least not here on this list):
>
> Jens: Your app icons look great, but I don't think we should change
> them in such a radical way with a minor release. If people don't
> recognize their applications and files, they might become upset...

I find them interesting as well. On some colors the seagulls could have
some more contrast...
>
> Representing the different file formats with other symbols might be a
> good idea (we should involve UX in that question), even if they are
> quite abstracted.
>
I think the document icons should looks somehow like document, the shape
you choose seem also too abstract for me.
> But for the present question there is one point to mention: ODF is not
> eye-catching at all - in fact, you have to search a bit to find the
> letters (this refers to both of your uploaded icons).
>
Maybe this is the idea behind this, one day the users may associate that
shape with ODF, but I have to admit that I'm a bit septic in this aspect
;-)

> You did send me a more classic approach offlist - containing the gulls
> and a gradient in the upper area, lines for writer in the middle and a
> yellow area with ODF at the bottom. It's quite similar to Nik's draft.
>
> Nik, your design is great too - works in small sizes as well as in
> larger scales, eye-catching by the colors and the gull as separator
> between application color and content symbols.
>
> But looking at your design I notice something I didn't mention before:
>
> The ODF icons should be used by as many applications as possible (the
> present ones by abandonment of any app specific symbols). I'd rather
> would like to have an area dedicated to such a symbol or graphical
> element. The symbol should not be more prominent than the "ODF" area,
> but give additional information on the application.
>
> Jens changed the colors of the OASIS logo (background yellow, text
> violet), this seems to me to be more eye-catching than the violet logo
> with white text.
>
> Especially in very small size (16x16) when the text is not readable at
> all, the yellow area with violet border might be a good representation.
>
> Even if I'm not able to design as high quality icons as you both, I
> uploaded what I think might be a basis of icons that could be used by
> other applications too:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:BeDipp#personal_sandbox
>

but these still contain the seagulls ?!

my understanding from what you've said is: ODF document icons should
have no seagulls, the app icons should have them.

And: do we really need to go with the OASIS yellow or violet ? On that
yellow I don't like either black or white letters, and the violet color
doesn't seem to work with black Letters.
> Best regards
>
> Bernhard
>
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Re: ODF icon design

2009-11-30T15:56:33Z

Hi all,

I just collected some of the icon design drafts to our central sandbox:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Artist_Sandbox

because I'd like to show them to the ODF Icon team (discussion takes
place on discuss@...).

At the moment I'm quite short in time, so please add, what you want to
be added.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: ODF icon design

2009-11-30T09:05:46Z

2009/11/29 Bernhard Dippold <bernhard@...>

> You might also want to consider the ODF roundel used by Apache httpd and
> I already did (just look at
> http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&msgNo=4155).
>
> If you read the reply to this mail by Lutz Hoeger, the main reason not to
> use this logo is that it is only readable as "ODF" by people already knowing
> about ODF. Therefore they preferred a reference as text - and I can
> understand this.
>
> If the icons had to show their relationship to ODF only, your logo would
> serve fine for that purpose. But to tell people about ODF for more or less
> the first time, a text is better IMHO.

Thanks, Bernhard - I wasn't aware of that thread.

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Re: Next steps towards a new Art&Branding project => wiki page created

2009-11-30T05:12:18Z

Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
> [...]
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65230

please wait for the server to add it to the archive...

Bernhard

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Re: Next steps towards a new Art&Branding project => wiki page created

2009-11-30T05:09:52Z

Hi all,

information mail sent to

- discuss@OOo
- dev@...
- dev@...
- dev@...
- dev@...
- dev@...
- discuss@...

http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65230

Nikash V. SINGH schrieb:
> Hi All!
>
>
>
> Ivan M<i2initiatives@...> wrote;
>> I think it's quite comprehensive for an early draft - it provides a
>> good outline. Please encourage people from all the projects to add
>> their own points to the wiki page if they have something they'd like
>> to add.

I invited them to reply to the mail or add a comment to the talk page.
We'll see how it works.
>
> Well done guys. Just added my name to the list, there wasn't anything I could add to, in terms of content =)
> Just one thing; maybe members could be made more aware that there is a list of names of interested participants on that page!
> Most people are busy leading up to Christmas and maybe not all have had a chance to peruse that page,
> but I bet there's a handful more people interested in being on that list

Thanks for the hint!
I added a phrase at the top of the wiki page linking to this list and I
mentioned the list in the mail.

For your information: I modified this list a bit, because not everybody
uses the same user name for OOo and wiki.

Please have a look, if I did anything wrong (Ivan?)

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Re: ODF icon design

2009-11-29T16:07:28Z

Hi Jens, Nik, all

thanks for joining this task and for uploading your drafts.

I'd like to comment on both of your designs and add a few thoughts not
mentioned before (at least not here on this list):

Jens: Your app icons look great, but I don't think we should change them
in such a radical way with a minor release. If people don't recognize
their applications and files, they might become upset...

Representing the different file formats with other symbols might be a
good idea (we should involve UX in that question), even if they are
quite abstracted.

But for the present question there is one point to mention: ODF is not
eye-catching at all - in fact, you have to search a bit to find the
letters (this refers to both of your uploaded icons).

You did send me a more classic approach offlist - containing the gulls
and a gradient in the upper area, lines for writer in the middle and a
yellow area with ODF at the bottom. It's quite similar to Nik's draft.

Nik, your design is great too - works in small sizes as well as in
larger scales, eye-catching by the colors and the gull as separator
between application color and content symbols.

But looking at your design I notice something I didn't mention before:

The ODF icons should be used by as many applications as possible (the
present ones by abandonment of any app specific symbols). I'd rather
would like to have an area dedicated to such a symbol or graphical
element. The symbol should not be more prominent than the "ODF" area,
but give additional information on the application.

Jens changed the colors of the OASIS logo (background yellow, text
violet), this seems to me to be more eye-catching than the violet logo
with white text.

Especially in very small size (16x16) when the text is not readable at
all, the yellow area with violet border might be a good representation.

Even if I'm not able to design as high quality icons as you both, I
uploaded what I think might be a basis of icons that could be used by
other applications too:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:BeDipp#personal_sandbox

Best regards

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Re: ODF icon design

2009-11-29T14:28:11Z

Hi Pete, *

Pete Harlow schrieb:

> 2009/11/29 Bernhard Dippold<bernhard@...>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Hi Bernhard,
>
> You might also want to consider the ODF roundel used by Apache httpd and
> several other programs:
>
> http://opendocumentfellowship.com/icons

I already did (just look at
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&msgNo=4155).

If you read the reply to this mail by Lutz Hoeger, the main reason not
to use this logo is that it is only readable as "ODF" by people already
knowing about ODF. Therefore they preferred a reference as text - and I
can understand this.

If the icons had to show their relationship to ODF only, your logo would
serve fine for that purpose. But to tell people about ODF for more or
less the first time, a text is better IMHO.

Best regards

Bernhard

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