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	<title>Nabble - openoffice - marketing</title>
	<updated>2009-11-29T09:27:58Z</updated>
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26563995</id>
	<title>Re: ODF icon design</title>
	<published>2009-11-29T09:27:58Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-29T09:27:58Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Pete Harlow</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">2009/11/29 Bernhard Dippold &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26563995&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bernhard@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Bernhard,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You might also want to consider the ODF roundel used by Apache httpd and
&lt;br&gt;several other programs:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://opendocumentfellowship.com/icons&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://opendocumentfellowship.com/icons&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.catnip.co.uk/opendocument/icons/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.catnip.co.uk/opendocument/icons/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Peter Harlow
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26563507</id>
	<title>Re: ODF icon design</title>
	<published>2009-11-29T08:28:46Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-29T08:28:46Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Jens Habermann</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Nik!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Am 29.11.2009 um 15:32 schrieb Nikash V. SINGH:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Jens, I really like how the Application icons hint at an &amp;quot;application&amp;quot; with the coloured mast and grey application body, (or did I just misunderstand your Design?).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, this is how it should work, color and body represent the app. I also added a new doc icon linked to the app icons and a new main icon. 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I only speak for myself when I say the file icons might be a bit too abstract for file icons.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;These icons break a lot of rules, but sometimes you must try ;-) &amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I've uploaded a quick screen capture (the link above) of some rough work on file icons showing a piece of paper with a coloured letterhead-mast and symbols to represent the file content and application. The ODF icon is &amp;quot;stamped&amp;quot; on the bottom to make it identifiable as such. The files are really rough and quickly made, the gulls are improvised, the colours aren't accurate, the typeface is best-guess. Its just to gauge a response, if no-one likes it, no harm done and I'll bury it. Please take a look anywho (at the two with drop-shadows especially).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like your icons, they are more into light side as mine more dark side. Except for the lines symbolizing text - somehow I never really liked that in any icon.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am also looking for info about the right ODF font or a vector file of ODF logo.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards
&lt;br&gt;Jens
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26562544</id>
	<title>Re: ODF icon design</title>
	<published>2009-11-29T06:32:56Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-29T06:32:56Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nikash V. SINGH</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi All,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;Jens Habermann &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26562544&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mailing@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; you can see my icon design ideas on my WIki Page ( some more next days... ) 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:JensGH&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:JensGH&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi Jens, I really like how the Application icons hint at an &amp;quot;application&amp;quot; with the coloured mast and grey application body, (or did I just misunderstand your Design?). I only speak for myself when I say the file icons might be a bit too abstract for file icons. I don't get the orb reference, it might be something I'm missing. I think users have so many applications installed that it helps when an application's icon suggests what the file contains. I know the &amp;quot;paper-sheet-with-symbols&amp;quot; thing has been done, but it works! I like how electronic office files mirror the physicality of paper office files, I think that metaphor should be retained because it has been throughly thought through and time-tested.
&lt;br&gt;...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Overkill#Work_in_progress&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Overkill#Work_in_progress&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've uploaded a quick screen capture (the link above) of some rough work on file icons showing a piece of paper with a coloured letterhead-mast and symbols to represent the file content and application. The ODF icon is &amp;quot;stamped&amp;quot; on the bottom to make it identifiable as such. The files are really rough and quickly made, the gulls are improvised, the colours aren't accurate, the typeface is best-guess. Its just to gauge a response, if no-one likes it, no harm done and I'll bury it. Please take a look anywho (at the two with drop-shadows especially).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As always, let me know what you think =)
&lt;br&gt;-Nik
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26561521</id>
	<title>Re: ODF icon design</title>
	<published>2009-11-29T04:20:44Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-29T04:20:44Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Jens Habermann</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Bernhard, all ,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Jens already started some designs to show me that this is possible.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;you can see my icon design ideas on my WIki Page ( some more next days... ) 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:JensGH&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:JensGH&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards
&lt;br&gt;Jens
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26561158</id>
	<title>ODF icon design</title>
	<published>2009-11-28T16:01:54Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-28T16:01:54Z</updated>
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		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;as you all know, OOo is trying to support the ODF file formats by 
&lt;br&gt;developing ODF related desktop icons for document representation.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The present approach contains:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- add &amp;quot;ODF&amp;quot; on a rectangular area to a detailed (depending on the scale) 
&lt;br&gt;graphical representation of the file type.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- remove all application related information.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- remove all color information except the intensive blue tone of the 
&lt;br&gt;rectangle.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The reasons for doing so have been told:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Primary colors are stronger than secondary, therefore blue has been 
&lt;br&gt;used instead of the actual colors of the ODF community.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- By reducing the other information (color and application information) 
&lt;br&gt;ODF becomes more important.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- They think that it would be reasonable not to tell anything about the 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; application opening the ODF documents, because this would be 
&lt;br&gt;irrelevant to the user.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can't follow these argumentation, therefore I'd like to show the 
&lt;br&gt;relevant people that it is possible to
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- combine ODF and OOo information in one icon
&lt;br&gt;- keep color information in the icons
&lt;br&gt;- use the colors of the official ODF community logo:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26771/ODF_220-03a.png&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/26771/ODF_220-03a.png&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;(and perhaps the text and the form of the lower part)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Jens already started some designs to show me that this is possible.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Does anybody of you is interested to join this effort?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26552158</id>
	<title>Re: Next steps towards a new Art&amp;Branding project =&gt; wiki page  created</title>
	<published>2009-11-28T03:04:12Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-28T03:04:12Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Nikash V. SINGH</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi All!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;Ivan M &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26552158&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;i2initiatives@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I think it's quite comprehensive for an early draft - it provides a
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; good outline. Please encourage people from all the projects to add
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; their own points to the wiki page if they have something they'd like
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; to add.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well done guys. Just added my name to the list, there wasn't anything I could add to, in terms of content =)
&lt;br&gt;Just one thing; maybe members could be made more aware that there is a list of names of interested participants on that page!
&lt;br&gt;Most people are busy leading up to Christmas and maybe not all have had a chance to peruse that page,
&lt;br&gt;but I bet there's a handful more people interested in being on that list;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks
&lt;br&gt;-Nik
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26550724</id>
	<title>Re: Next steps towards a new Art&amp;Branding project =&gt; wiki page  created</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T21:57:14Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T21:57:14Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Ivan M</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Bernhard, Christoph, all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Bernhard Dippold
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26550724&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bernhard@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Christoph, all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; thanks for you feedback :-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;+1!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Christoph Noack schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi everyone!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I've added some of my thoughts on the talk page. I didn't want to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; add/change too many things on the wiki page - first I would like to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; discuss some of the items (e.g. what we can learn from other projects).
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I wouldn't mind using the wiki page for collecting ideas and mentioning
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; steps not already taken, so I'd include your thoughts in the main page
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Ivan already started to include some of the points you both mentioned
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (thanks, Ivan), I tried to add some more thoughts, but I'm not too happy
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; with my wording. Please revise it!
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for adding the screenshot from your presentation - that says it
&lt;br&gt;all really. If anyone asks 'why does OO.o need this project?', we
&lt;br&gt;should simply point them to that picture :)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; In my eyes the talk page serves better for discussing opposite opinions - it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; might be used for discussions involving people from different projects and
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; mailing lists.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'd like to post our idea on the relevant lists (dev@marketing, dev@website,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; discuss@ux, dev@native-lang, dev@documentation, dev@ui) probably on Sunday
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (being at work from early Saturday to Sunday morning).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don't work yourself too hard - be sure to take a break :)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Do you think we should add anything more to the wiki page before?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it's quite comprehensive for an early draft - it provides a
&lt;br&gt;good outline. Please encourage people from all the projects to add
&lt;br&gt;their own points to the wiki page if they have something they'd like
&lt;br&gt;to add.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards,
&lt;br&gt;Ivan.
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26550084</id>
	<title>OOo Pamphlet one more try.</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T18:58:02Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T18:58:02Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andy-264</name>
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	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After making some changes Andrew made I have uploaded a new version of
&lt;br&gt;the pamphlet. &amp;nbsp;Open things up. &amp;nbsp;Added a copy of a poster from the
&lt;br&gt;Marketing/Art project.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.the-martin-byrd.net/OOoPamphletv5.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.the-martin-byrd.net/OOoPamphletv5.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for any and all input.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--
&lt;br&gt;Andy Brown
&lt;br&gt;La Mesa, CA &amp;nbsp;91942
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&lt;br&gt;OpenOffice.org Community Distributor
&lt;br&gt;CD/OEM Distribution Project member
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26548832</id>
	<title>Re: Next steps towards a new Art&amp;Branding project =&gt; wiki page created</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T14:54:34Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T14:54:34Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Christoph, all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;thanks for you feedback :-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Christoph Noack schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi everyone!
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I've added some of my thoughts on the talk page. I didn't want to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; add/change too many things on the wiki page - first I would like to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; discuss some of the items (e.g. what we can learn from other projects).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wouldn't mind using the wiki page for collecting ideas and mentioning 
&lt;br&gt;steps not already taken, so I'd include your thoughts in the main page
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ivan already started to include some of the points you both mentioned 
&lt;br&gt;(thanks, Ivan), I tried to add some more thoughts, but I'm not too happy 
&lt;br&gt;with my wording. Please revise it!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my eyes the talk page serves better for discussing opposite opinions 
&lt;br&gt;- it might be used for discussions involving people from different 
&lt;br&gt;projects and mailing lists.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'd like to post our idea on the relevant lists (dev@marketing, 
&lt;br&gt;dev@website, discuss@ux, dev@native-lang, dev@documentation, dev@ui) 
&lt;br&gt;probably on Sunday (being at work from early Saturday to Sunday morning).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you think we should add anything more to the wiki page before?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26547958</id>
	<title>Re: OOo Pamphlet</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T13:30:16Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T13:30:16Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andy-264</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Andrew Greig wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks for the effort to produce the pamphlet, it is a lot or work.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can not take all the credit. &amp;nbsp;I downloaded from the wiki site the
&lt;br&gt;text, in German, and ran it through the translate extension. &amp;nbsp;The using
&lt;br&gt;cut and paste put it in the tri-fold, which I have since modified to
&lt;br&gt;work better.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;From a visual perspective, it is a lot of words, which can be daunting
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; to the receiver. &amp;nbsp;It would benefit from more &amp;quot;white space&amp;quot; and at least
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; one clear screenshot of a writer page showing the tool bars (which could
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; span a fold). &amp;nbsp;With the discussion of suitability for user groups, many
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of the points were common, and could have shared a common space at the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; top, the others need to be bullet points well spaced.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Rather than the list of links on the brochure, just one would suffice,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; to the OOo homepage. By trimming much of the editorial whitespace can be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; made available to allow the bullet points to stand out.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The idea of a pamphlet is to arrest the receiver's attention. &amp;nbsp;Where it
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; is too densely populated with words, it is often binned because it is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; too much effort. We don't have to tell the whole story up front, we just
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; have to get them to read it, go to the website and download OOo.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The website should cover the benefits for different user groups in more
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; detail, starting with a link like &amp;quot;More info for pamphlet readers&amp;quot; for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; example.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Now that the initial hard work is done, the editing can really turn this
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; into a fantastic resource. &amp;nbsp;The idea (which has just sprung to mind as I
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; write this) could be developed further by having specific pamphlets for
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the different market segments: Home, Business, Education, Government. If
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the initial pamphlet drives people to the website, then they could
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; download a pamphlet to take back to their particular organisation, to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; initiate the discussion about using OOo.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cheers
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Andrew Greig
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Community Distributor, OpenOffice.org
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Melbourne, Australia
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the comments and feedback. &amp;nbsp;I will go back and make the
&lt;br&gt;changes and re-upload for more review. &amp;nbsp;This is the reason I wanted
&lt;br&gt;someone else to look at it. &amp;nbsp;If someone else wises to give the editing a
&lt;br&gt;go let me know.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26547820</id>
	<title>Re: OOo Pamphlet</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T13:15:52Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T13:15:52Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andrew Greig</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Fri, 2009-11-27 at 10:34 -0800, Andy Brown wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have placed a pdf copy of the pamphlet at
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.the-martin-byrd.net/OOoPamphlet.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.the-martin-byrd.net/OOoPamphlet.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;. &amp;nbsp;Thanks Lars.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Andy Brown
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the effort to produce the pamphlet, it is a lot or work.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;From a visual perspective, it is a lot of words, which can be daunting
&lt;br&gt;to the receiver. &amp;nbsp;It would benefit from more &amp;quot;white space&amp;quot; and at least
&lt;br&gt;one clear screenshot of a writer page showing the tool bars (which could
&lt;br&gt;span a fold). &amp;nbsp;With the discussion of suitability for user groups, many
&lt;br&gt;of the points were common, and could have shared a common space at the
&lt;br&gt;top, the others need to be bullet points well spaced.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rather than the list of links on the brochure, just one would suffice,
&lt;br&gt;to the OOo homepage. By trimming much of the editorial whitespace can be
&lt;br&gt;made available to allow the bullet points to stand out.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The idea of a pamphlet is to arrest the receiver's attention. &amp;nbsp;Where it
&lt;br&gt;is too densely populated with words, it is often binned because it is
&lt;br&gt;too much effort. We don't have to tell the whole story up front, we just
&lt;br&gt;have to get them to read it, go to the website and download OOo.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The website should cover the benefits for different user groups in more
&lt;br&gt;detail, starting with a link like &amp;quot;More info for pamphlet readers&amp;quot; for
&lt;br&gt;example.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now that the initial hard work is done, the editing can really turn this
&lt;br&gt;into a fantastic resource. &amp;nbsp;The idea (which has just sprung to mind as I
&lt;br&gt;write this) could be developed further by having specific pamphlets for
&lt;br&gt;the different market segments: Home, Business, Education, Government. If
&lt;br&gt;the initial pamphlet drives people to the website, then they could
&lt;br&gt;download a pamphlet to take back to their particular organisation, to
&lt;br&gt;initiate the discussion about using OOo.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cheers
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Andrew Greig
&lt;br&gt;Community Distributor, OpenOffice.org
&lt;br&gt;Melbourne, Australia
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26546277</id>
	<title>OOo Pamphlet</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T10:34:42Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T10:34:42Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andy-264</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I have placed a pdf copy of the pamphlet at
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.the-martin-byrd.net/OOoPamphlet.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.the-martin-byrd.net/OOoPamphlet.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;. &amp;nbsp;Thanks Lars.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--
&lt;br&gt;Andy Brown
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26545519</id>
	<title>OOo 3 Flyer/pamphlet</title>
	<published>2009-11-27T09:25:24Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-27T09:25:24Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andy-264</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I need some help. &amp;nbsp;I have a tri-fold flyer/pamphlet that I have done and
&lt;br&gt;need some professional eyes to take a look and make recommendations on
&lt;br&gt;it. &amp;nbsp;I can send anyone a copy or place it on my website for everyone.
&lt;br&gt;Which would be best?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks--
&lt;br&gt;Andy Brown
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26535693</id>
	<title>Re: Next steps towards a new Art&amp;Branding project =&gt; wiki page created</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T14:25:05Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T14:25:05Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Christoph Noack-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi everyone!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I've added some of my thoughts on the talk page. I didn't want to
&lt;br&gt;add/change too many things on the wiki page - first I would like to
&lt;br&gt;discuss some of the items (e.g. what we can learn from other projects).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here you go:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard, Ivan, * ... thank you so much for thinking, discussing and
&lt;br&gt;improving! I'm really excited :-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Have a nice evening!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Christoph
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Am Donnerstag, den 26.11.2009, 12:21 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Ivan, all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Ivan M schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; Hi Bernhard, all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Bernhard Dippold
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26535693&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bernhard@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; I created a wiki page covering some important points to be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; considered on the way towards the new project:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;[...]
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26533673</id>
	<title>Re: ODF desktop icons for OOo</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T10:59:15Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T10:59:15Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Lutz, all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lutz Hoeger schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Bernhard,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Please don't get me wrong, I am quite thankful for your effort to extend
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; project Unified ODF Icons into the marketing realm.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; But at the same time, I would like to ask you to not duplicate the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; discussion that already happens in discuss@ux.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I didn't want to duplicate the discussion, I just tried to summarize it 
&lt;br&gt;as addition to your wiki pages because most of the people here are not 
&lt;br&gt;subscribed to discuss@ux.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I tried to focus here on marketing and branding - I'm sorry, if this 
&lt;br&gt;hasn't become clear enough.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; In particular your action
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; list from &amp;quot;At first&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;Sixth&amp;quot; would be an excellent response to the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; one I proposed about one months ago.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This list should not be more than a summary of the discussion on 
&lt;br&gt;discuss@ux. All of these questions have been raised there before.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I added a new detail here, I'm sorry - perhaps a discussion a Orvieto 
&lt;br&gt;took it's way into this mail without prior notice on discuss@ux.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The main reason to summarize these points was to explain the present 
&lt;br&gt;status of the project - having provided icons while the marketing and 
&lt;br&gt;branding basis (enforce ODF branding while removing OOo elements from 
&lt;br&gt;the document icons) needs further discussion to reach a consensus.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I am happy to explain any questions
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; about differences or to be more verbose in areas, where current and past
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; activities may not have been obvious enough.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It's not only about explanation, it's about finding a common way.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This way should include at least a clear marketing strategy - before we 
&lt;br&gt;ask OASIS to support the in my eyes suboptimal icons.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I understand how the discussion on this list evolved, but it would make
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; life a lot easier if we could separate topics so that they fit the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; respective mailing list. Here, I would expect a _marketing relevant_
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; discussion, just as it already takes place in some part.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I mentioned user surveys and questions on icon design - they might or 
&lt;br&gt;might not be marketing relevant.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But the following points cover central marketing questions, so I'll try 
&lt;br&gt;to concentrate on:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. ODF branding is important, but should not lead to weakening of OOo 
&lt;br&gt;branding on user's desktops.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2. The OOo document icons are part of our visual identity and therefore 
&lt;br&gt;used in several marketing areas. We should not give up this chance as 
&lt;br&gt;there might be an alternative (icons with both branding elements).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3. The highest impact of an ODF branding campaign would be reached with 
&lt;br&gt;a combined effort by OOo, our distros, other ODF supporting products and 
&lt;br&gt;OASIS. This would mean to include their marketing/branding thoughts on 
&lt;br&gt;colors, application symbols and graphical themes.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;4. Once we found a way to promote ODF and OOo at the same time, a 
&lt;br&gt;marketing campaign should be started to raise attention on this work. 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp;From marketing POV it would be even better, if we could work together 
&lt;br&gt;with OASIS, distros and other products. This campaign should have it's 
&lt;br&gt;end point on the release of the new icons (probably in OOo 3.3).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26533496</id>
	<title>Re: OOoCon 2009 presentations</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T10:42:53Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T10:42:53Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Cor Nouws</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Alexandro Colorado wrote (26-11-2009 19:15)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Because is easier to look at the presentation without having to do much
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; clicking or downloading, and also they are much more public and visible than
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; that site. Plus you can add comments and discussions, and overally speaking
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; more web 2.0 (sharing to fb, twitter, wordpress etc).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ah, that makes sense, if people use it of course.
&lt;br&gt;Ciao - Cor
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	<title>Re: OOoCon 2009 presentations</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T10:15:23Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T10:15:23Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>JZA</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Cor Nouws &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26533187&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;oolst@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Alexandro,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Alexandro Colorado wrote (26-11-2009 18:53)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;I upload most of the presentations I could get to the Slideshare site
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; under
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; the OpenOffice.org / ODF Group.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Please enjoy and comment, the site is here:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slideshare.net/group/openofficeorg-odf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.slideshare.net/group/openofficeorg-odf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks, but why this extra location besides
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/schedule&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/schedule&lt;/a&gt;?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Ciao - Cor
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; --
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&lt;/div&gt;Because is easier to look at the presentation without having to do much
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&lt;br&gt;that site. Plus you can add comments and discussions, and overally speaking
&lt;br&gt;more web 2.0 (sharing to fb, twitter, wordpress etc).
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26533106</id>
	<title>Re: OOoCon 2009 presentations</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T10:10:06Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T10:10:06Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Cor Nouws</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Alexandro,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alexandro Colorado wrote (26-11-2009 18:53)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I upload most of the presentations I could get to the Slideshare site under
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the OpenOffice.org / ODF Group.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Please enjoy and comment, the site is here:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slideshare.net/group/openofficeorg-odf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.slideshare.net/group/openofficeorg-odf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks, but why this extra location besides 
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/schedule&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/schedule&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;
&lt;br&gt;?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ciao - Cor
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26532954</id>
	<title>OOoCon 2009 presentations</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T09:53:55Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T09:53:55Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>JZA</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">I upload most of the presentations I could get to the Slideshare site under
&lt;br&gt;the OpenOffice.org / ODF Group.
&lt;br&gt;Please enjoy and comment, the site is here:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slideshare.net/group/openofficeorg-odf&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.slideshare.net/group/openofficeorg-odf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would love to add the speakers and their email, please help me locate the
&lt;br&gt;speakers through commenting on the presentation.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Alexandro Colorado
&lt;br&gt;OpenOffice.org Espa&amp;ntilde;ol
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26531980</id>
	<title>Re: ODF desktop icons for OOo</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T08:31:55Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T08:31:55Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Lutz Hoeger</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi Bernhard,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please don't get me wrong, I am quite thankful for your effort to extend
&lt;br&gt;project Unified ODF Icons into the marketing realm.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But at the same time, I would like to ask you to not duplicate the
&lt;br&gt;discussion that already happens in discuss@ux. In particular your action
&lt;br&gt;list from &amp;quot;At first&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;Sixth&amp;quot; would be an excellent response to the
&lt;br&gt;one I proposed about one months ago. I am happy to explain any questions
&lt;br&gt;about differences or to be more verbose in areas, where current and past
&lt;br&gt;activities may not have been obvious enough.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand how the discussion on this list evolved, but it would make
&lt;br&gt;life a lot easier if we could separate topics so that they fit the
&lt;br&gt;respective mailing list. Here, I would expect a _marketing relevant_
&lt;br&gt;discussion, just as it already takes place in some part.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lutz.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26531516</id>
	<title>Re: OpenOffice.org shortlisted for Best Online News Releases 2009 award</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T08:04:24Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T08:04:24Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Christine Louise Beems</name>
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	<content type="html">re: 'best news releases' -- Congrats and BRAVO John... here's looking 
&lt;br&gt;forward to #1 &amp;lt;smile&amp;gt;. ~Christine
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26530217</id>
	<title>Re: Application Icons</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T06:28:46Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T06:28:46Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andy-264</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Volker,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Volker Merschmann wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Andy,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 2009/11/26 Andy Brown &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26530217&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;andy@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Bernhard referred me to this list. &amp;nbsp;Is there a place that I can find the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; application icons used for version 3? &amp;nbsp;I would like to add these
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; elements to a pamphlet that I am working on.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The branding elements including icons, colors, etc. are available from
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://ui.openoffice.org/nonav/VisualDesign/OOo_brand.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ui.openoffice.org/nonav/VisualDesign/OOo_brand.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the information.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Andy
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26527950</id>
	<title>Re: Next steps towards a new Art&amp;Branding project =&gt; wiki page created</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T03:21:57Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T03:21:57Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Ivan, all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ivan M schrieb:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Bernhard, all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Bernhard Dippold
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26527950&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bernhard@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; I created a wiki page covering some important points to be
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; considered on the way towards the new project:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;/div&gt;I'm sure I didn't think at all of them, so:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Please comment, improve, discuss - whatever ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have a few general comments/questions, so I'll list them here under
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the sections they correspond to on the wiki page.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; == First Steps ==
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; You have listed the Art project here; at the moment it is not clear
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; what will happen to the art project itself - will it remain, or will
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; it be integrated into this new project? This is probably still
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; something to sort out, but it's something that deserves
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; consideration. If the art project stays, would it still be a subset
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; of marketing or would it too become a stand-alone project?
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm not quite sure, if it would be reasonable to have an extra Art
&lt;br&gt;Project as it's the other side of the same medal:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Every theoretical branding decision has to be put in real graphics,
&lt;br&gt;while new artwork needs to be looked at with regards to it's fitting to
&lt;br&gt;the existent branding surroundings.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And when the project is working on improving the visual identity by more
&lt;br&gt;general usable graphical elements, both parts have to work together with
&lt;br&gt;a maximum of integration.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Therefore I'd prefer creating a single new project covering both aspects.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are right - the wiki page is unclear in this point.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The User interface project is an interesting case, because this is
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; where Stella's work comes under - it is at the top of the list on
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the UI project homepage [1]. [...]
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stella told me some years ago, that she's using the UI website just
&lt;br&gt;because someone with write access to this projects could be reached
&lt;br&gt;physically during minutes... So it's just convenience, her work is not
&lt;br&gt;really part of this project.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand I think they should be included because of the
&lt;br&gt;appearance of the branding elements inside the UI: Splash screen, start
&lt;br&gt;center, about box, application background and others can be named here.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if their website and mailing lists have not been very active during
&lt;br&gt;the last years, they should be mentioned (and perhaps they become more
&lt;br&gt;active because of our work...)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; One other thing we might consider is looking at branding related
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; projects in other open source projects [...] Other projects might
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; provide additional insights into different approaches we might take.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as I can see (having not been actively searching the different 
&lt;br&gt;projects), activity is directly related to the grade of impact on the 
&lt;br&gt;final product.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Similar to the present &amp;quot;official&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;additional&amp;quot; galleries I'm 
&lt;br&gt;thinking of a kind of &amp;quot;playground&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;sandbox&amp;quot; for new ideas not (yet) 
&lt;br&gt;fitting to the branding rules. Any new graphical topic might be 
&lt;br&gt;developed there, until the team decides about including it in the 
&lt;br&gt;general visual design.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This would allow to create artwork without restriction by the branding 
&lt;br&gt;rules that will not weaken our visual impact in public.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; == After establishing the new project&amp; &amp;nbsp;Next Activities ==
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The wiki page says: &amp;quot;Revise present artwork and design elements with
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; regards to their usability for a general branding design.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; As I see it, this is a very complex and potentially problematic
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; matter. Do we try to make existing artwork consistent using current
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; artwork as a basis, or do we start again (e.g. begin with the logo
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and then evolve other designs from the tone set by the logo)? This
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; has clear implications for the creation of a style guide.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Both aspects have their advantages and disadvantages, therefore I &amp;nbsp;put 
&lt;br&gt;this part in the agenda for the new project.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Creating a branding strategy from the scratch can lead to optimal 
&lt;br&gt;results at the end, because it is not necessary to care for present 
&lt;br&gt;suboptimal elements.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand this would mean to lose everything what people already 
&lt;br&gt;recognize as OOo - our branding elements are having their effect since a 
&lt;br&gt;couple of years.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Therefore I'd go a way between these extremes:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Define the goals of OOo quite clearly (perhaps run a survey among the 
&lt;br&gt;community on that topic) and have a look at any of the present graphical 
&lt;br&gt;elements with regards to it's relation to this goals and it's usability 
&lt;br&gt;for our general branding. Keeping in mind the recognition value of these 
&lt;br&gt;elements (this might be part of such a survey too), we then have to 
&lt;br&gt;decide, if they should be part of the new branding identity, if they 
&lt;br&gt;have to be updated or recreated from the scratch.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; == Continuous work ==
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I was interested in Christoph's idea of having a branding/identity
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; person on relevant i-Teams.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Must be added to the wiki page - no question.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; We could also try to have goals for each
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; OOo release.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And for other OOo related events. I like the modified website logo we 
&lt;br&gt;had in October and November...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I have been thinking about certain areas of OOo that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; could do with some artwork, and many of them are listed on my wiki
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; page.[...]
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You're totally right - all these areas (and probably much more) are 
&lt;br&gt;necessary topics for the new project.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They have to be represented in a proper area of the new project: easily 
&lt;br&gt;accessible, easy to update and to append...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I have the time to do so, I'll include it in the wiki page, but if 
&lt;br&gt;you (or anybody else) want to, please update the wiki page by yourself.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS: I plan to include the other relevant projects in this discussion 
&lt;br&gt;during the next days. Do you (all of you here) have any objections? Do 
&lt;br&gt;we want to discuss anything internally before?
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	<title>Re: OpenOffice.org shortlisted for Best Online News Releases 2009 award</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T01:45:01Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-26T01:45:01Z</updated>
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		<name>Lars Nooden</name>
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	<content type="html">John McCreesh wrote:
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	<title>OpenOffice.org shortlisted for Best Online News Releases 2009 award</title>
	<published>2009-11-26T00:54:59Z</published>
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	<title>Re: Application Icons</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T23:24:18Z</published>
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		<name>Volker Merschmann</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Andy,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2009/11/26 Andy Brown &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26525251&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;andy@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Bernhard referred me to this list.  Is there a place that I can find the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; application icons used for version 3?  I would like to add these
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; elements to a pamphlet that I am working on.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;The branding elements including icons, colors, etc. are available from
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	<title>Application Icons</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T19:18:41Z</published>
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	<content type="html">&lt;br&gt;Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard referred me to this list. &amp;nbsp;Is there a place that I can find the
&lt;br&gt;application icons used for version 3? &amp;nbsp;I would like to add these
&lt;br&gt;elements to a pamphlet that I am working on.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks in advance.
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	<title>Re: Next steps towards a new Art&amp;Branding project =&gt; wiki page  created</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T18:33:01Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T18:33:01Z</updated>
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		<name>Ivan M</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Bernhard, all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Bernhard Dippold
&lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26523571&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bernhard@...&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I created a wiki page covering some important points to be considered on the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; way towards the new project:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Design_Artwork_and_Branding_Project_Proposal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; I'm sure I didn't think at all of them, so:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Please comment, improve, discuss - whatever ;-)
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have a few general comments/questions, so I'll list them here
&lt;br&gt;under the sections they correspond to on the wiki page.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;== First Steps ==
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have listed the Art project here; at the moment it is not clear
&lt;br&gt;what will happen to the art project itself - will it remain, or will
&lt;br&gt;it be integrated into this new project? This is probably still
&lt;br&gt;something to sort out, but it's something that deserves consideration.
&lt;br&gt;If the art project stays, would it still be a subset of marketing or
&lt;br&gt;would it too become a stand-alone project?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The User interface project is an interesting case, because this is
&lt;br&gt;where Stella's work comes under - it is at the top of the list on the
&lt;br&gt;UI project homepage [1]. Yet the dev@ui mailing list is very
&lt;br&gt;inactive... so I'm not sure how/where this project stands. Many of the
&lt;br&gt;other sections appear to have very old documents. According to [2],
&lt;br&gt;the UI team has not met for 5+ years!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[1] &lt;a href=&quot;http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/index.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;[2] &lt;a href=&quot;http://ui.openoffice.org/protocols/index.html&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ui.openoffice.org/protocols/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One other thing we might consider is looking at branding related
&lt;br&gt;projects in other open source projects - for example, I recently had a
&lt;br&gt;look at Ubuntu [3] and Fedora's [4] art projects. While the ubuntu
&lt;br&gt;project is more like ours (limited impact on artwork - most artwork is
&lt;br&gt;done by paid designers at Canonical), the Fedora artwork project is
&lt;br&gt;much more actively involved in branding (e.g. designing the branding
&lt;br&gt;for each release). Other projects might provide additional insights
&lt;br&gt;into different approaches we might take.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[3] &lt;a href=&quot;https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;[4] &lt;a href=&quot;https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;== After establishing the new project &amp; Next Activities ==
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The wiki page says:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;quot;Revise present artwork and design elements with regards to their
&lt;br&gt;usability for a general branding design.&amp;quot;
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I see it, this is a very complex and potentially problematic
&lt;br&gt;matter. Do we try to make existing artwork consistent using current
&lt;br&gt;artwork as a basis, or do we start again (e.g. begin with the logo and
&lt;br&gt;then evolve other designs from the tone set by the logo)? This has
&lt;br&gt;clear implications for the creation of a style guide.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;== Continuous work ==
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was interested in Christoph's idea of having a branding/identity
&lt;br&gt;person on relevant i-Teams. We could also try to have goals for each
&lt;br&gt;OOo release. I have been thinking about certain areas of
&lt;br&gt;OOo that could do with some artwork, and many of them are listed on my
&lt;br&gt;wiki page [5]. For example, the UX list had discussions about a
&lt;br&gt;dashboard (something to improve the Start Center that opens when OOo
&lt;br&gt;loads) [6], and about the application background (currently a dreary
&lt;br&gt;gray) [7]. My own idea is to improve the design of help pages (which I
&lt;br&gt;think are encoded in HTML and could therefore be styled with CSS). The
&lt;br&gt;branding project could have its own goals for each release cycle to
&lt;br&gt;take a certain aspect of OOo and improve it from our perspective.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[5] &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ivanm#Visual_Design_Ideas&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ivanm#Visual_Design_Ideas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;[6] &lt;a href=&quot;http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&amp;msgNo=2654&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&amp;msgNo=2654&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;and &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/StartCenter&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/StartCenter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;on the wiki
&lt;br&gt;[7] &lt;a href=&quot;http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&amp;msgNo=3760&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&amp;msgNo=3760&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have written quite a lot more than I had expected, so I'll leave it
&lt;br&gt;there for now, but I'm sure it will be an interesting ongoing
&lt;br&gt;discussion. Thank you Bernhard!
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards,
&lt;br&gt;Ivan.
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26522520</id>
	<title>Re: Logo files updated - please review...</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T16:06:47Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T16:06:47Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Raz, all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I uploaded the files and included them in the official logo gallery: 
&lt;br&gt;uploaded
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you very much - it looks much better than &amp;quot;sorry, not available&amp;quot;...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if I tried most of the links, I'd appreciate anybody having a look 
&lt;br&gt;at them too...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What I noticed during the revision:
&lt;br&gt;One file (not provided by you, but uploaded earlier) seems to be corrupted:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/version3/grey/ooo-3-logo-grey-cmyk.eps&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://marketing.openoffice.org/art/galleries/logos/version3/grey/ooo-3-logo-grey-cmyk.eps&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do you see a chance to update it?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26521225</id>
	<title>Re: ODF desktop icons for OOo</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T14:16:13Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T14:16:13Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Hi all,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just a few (more detailed) comments on the six points I mentioned yesterday:
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard Dippold schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [...]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; At first there has to be a consensus on the goals to achieve.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We have at least three different goals with these icons.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A: ODF branding: Promote ODF by presence on the user's desktops. Keep 
&lt;br&gt;consistency between ODF files regardless of the application opening them.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;B: OOo branding: Promote OOo by presence on the user's desktops. Keep 
&lt;br&gt;consistency between documents and OOo applications.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;C: User interest: Recognize the files they want to open (and perhaps 
&lt;br&gt;recognize the application they want to use, because different apps allow 
&lt;br&gt;different actions to be done to the files).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All of these goals are valid, we might differ in the relative importance 
&lt;br&gt;of them.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Second is to find a way to include most of the ODF supporting products
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; and distributions in these goals and in the symbol language to be used
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; to reach these goals.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All comments I heard from our distros and what I read in the archives of 
&lt;br&gt;the OASIS list mention the necessity to modify the icons. Nobody (except 
&lt;br&gt;StarOffice) wanted to adopt these icons without modification.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Before we start to invent an icon style probably not supported by 
&lt;br&gt;others, we should find out, what will be necessary to include distros 
&lt;br&gt;and other products.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And if they are more likely to join when they can add one of their 
&lt;br&gt;symbols to the icons, this might lead to a broader acceptance of the ODF 
&lt;br&gt;icons than the restrictive present versions.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even the color of the badge might be discussed. Why use a color never 
&lt;br&gt;used for ODF before? It's quite similar to OASIS blue 
&lt;br&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oasis-blue.org/&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.oasis-blue.org/&lt;/a&gt;), but has nothing to do with ODF. The ODF 
&lt;br&gt;logo is dark yellow and violet 
&lt;br&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://opendocument.xml.org/wiki/odf-community-logo&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://opendocument.xml.org/wiki/odf-community-logo&lt;/a&gt;).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Third is to define a specification covering all the aspects of the icons
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; (including a dedicated marketing strategy for this modification).
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The specs on the wiki is a good starting point, but not complete at all.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Open questions like the Apple HIG, Windows way to previews with 
&lt;br&gt;application icons at the corner, the usability of different document 
&lt;br&gt;types without color distinction are not solved.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More important: Implications on OpenOffice.org's branding identity, 
&lt;br&gt;visual design and marketing are not evaluated at all.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Fourth is about creating the icons and defining them to become the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; default ones.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Depending on the results of the points above, the final icons might look 
&lt;br&gt;quite different from the present ones.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It will not be easy to achieve such a high quality graphical language 
&lt;br&gt;with modified preconditions, but if (for example) a colored shadow fits 
&lt;br&gt;more the user's needs and is decided to be more important than the 
&lt;br&gt;minimalist colorless style, such work has to be done.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Fifth means including them in test surroundings (user survey?) to find
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; out backdrafts not noticed before.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This might lead to iterative work on the previous points.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sixth and last point is the final implementation of the icons in the
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; product, running the marketing campaign and releasing the product.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We are lucky to have enough time to prepare this thoroughly.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Without the right marketing strategy this might get as much negative 
&lt;br&gt;feedback as Renaissance, although both topics have the capability to 
&lt;br&gt;promote OpenOffice.org very very well.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26519803</id>
	<title>Re: Product Flyers</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T12:31:24Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T12:31:24Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Andy-264</name>
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	<content type="html">Good day Bernhard,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard Dippold wrote:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hi Andy, all,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The wiki page is not really a flyer, but an area to collect ideas that
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; should be included in a new flyer.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ok. &amp;nbsp;Seems reasonable to me.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Your upload to the &amp;quot;documents&amp;files&amp;quot; area of the marketing project needs
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; approval by the project leads, before it is visible for others.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; But, as you already sent it directly to me, I can comment nevertheless.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All I sent was a copy of the original and the translation. &amp;nbsp;I will send
&lt;br&gt;a copy of the one I have done direct.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Do you want to include the part about the German non profit in the flyer
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; too? I think this should be replaced by local or worldwide donation
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; acceptors relevant for the people you want to address.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have tried to remove non-local references.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Are the other text areas final or do you want to modify them?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What I have done looks ok to me but, as I said, needs a little addition
&lt;br&gt;to fill it out.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; The next step would be to find the graphical basis for this flyer, Did
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; you already think about format and size, colors and graphical elements?
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I used the Tri-fold template that I found on the extensions web site. &amp;nbsp;I
&lt;br&gt;have used one of the color OpenOffice.org 3 logos that I found on the
&lt;br&gt;Marketing/Logo web page.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; If you want to, ask at our Art Project (&lt;a href=&quot;http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&amp;post=26519803&amp;i=0&quot; target=&quot;_top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;art@...&lt;/a&gt;),
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; if one of the artists is interested in supporting you on this topic.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have not joined the Art Project but will see what I can find there.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for all the help.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;--
&lt;br&gt;Andy Brown
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26519600</id>
	<title>Re: ODF desktop icons for OOo</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T12:16:39Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T12:16:39Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Cor Nouws schrieb:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Bernhard Dippold wrote (25-11-2009 21:02)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Cor Nouws schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; [...]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is the basis for our discussion here - and the basis for the work
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of the i-team working on the topic (and still looking for marketing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; experts...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Many words to say 'no', Bernard ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; And to invite people to contribute to a better solution...
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Yes, that is honest and needed, Bernard.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Sorry that I skipped that part of your message,
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;No problem at all - this way I was able to repeat it :-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26519578</id>
	<title>Re: RE: Logos</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T12:15:21Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T12:15:21Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
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	<content type="html">Hi Raz,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Raz Cumbe schrieb:
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Hello Bernhard,
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Just one question: I know that the CMYK and PMS colors look
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; different from RGB.
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; In the style guide for OOo2 [1] (needs an update too ;-) ) we
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; defined the CMYK values as C100, M60, Y0, K6, because Pantone C286
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; renders differently in every program. Did you have a look about
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; these values?
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Yes I did. I downloaded the files that were present as a means to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; obtain the values for CMYK and PMS colors. There is one thing to
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; note. I noticed in the vector files, and the solid black CMYK break
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; down is a different value than the TIFF file; the TIFF file uses a 4
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; color black while the vector uses a 1 color K. I kept my values of
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; the black on the TIFF file to match the break down of the other TIFF
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; files i.e. I did not want to stray away from the values that are
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; already being used ( I figured that is the safest bet). Let me know
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; if this doesn't make sense.
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes - at least for the moment it's perfectly right.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If we update the logos, we should work on an improved visual impression 
&lt;br&gt;for all the different color models - and then we'll have to decide if it 
&lt;br&gt;would be reasonable to use a 1 color black everywhere in CMYK.
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm sorry, that I didn't upload the files up to now, but I'm quite busy 
&lt;br&gt;at the moment with other topics...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26519544</id>
	<title>Re: ODF desktop icons for OOo</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T12:12:07Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T12:12:07Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Cor Nouws</name>
	</author>
	<content type="html">Bernhard Dippold wrote (25-11-2009 21:02)
&lt;div class='shrinkable-quote'&gt;&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Cor Nouws schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; [...]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is the basis for our discussion here - and the basis for the work
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of the i-team working on the topic (and still looking for marketing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; experts...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; Many words to say 'no', Bernard ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; 
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; And to invite people to contribute to a better solution...
&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, that is honest and needed, Bernard.
&lt;br&gt;Sorry that I skipped that part of your message,
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cor
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-- 
&lt;br&gt;Cor Nouws
&lt;br&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;- nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact
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<entry>
	<id>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26519393</id>
	<title>Re: ODF desktop icons for OOo</title>
	<published>2009-11-25T12:02:52Z</published>
	<updated>2009-11-25T12:02:52Z</updated>
	<author>
		<name>Bernhard Dippold-2</name>
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	<content type="html">Cor Nouws schrieb:
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; [...]
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; This is the basis for our discussion here - and the basis for the work
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; of the i-team working on the topic (and still looking for marketing
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt; experts...)
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt;
&lt;br&gt;&amp;gt; Many words to say 'no', Bernard ;-)
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And to invite people to contribute to a better solution...
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards
&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bernhard
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