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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-23T10:10:50Z

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Peter Czanik <pczanik@...> wrote:
> Added my comments there. BTW: this state of PPC factory (or just a few
> days earlier) is running fine on my Pegasos PPC machine.

Thanx Peter. PPC ssems to have fallen off the radar. I just didn't
have much time to do testing on 11.2. If I can get some time I'm
going to install factory on my G4/466.
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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-23T08:02:26Z

2009-11-22 01:13 keltezéssel, Larry Stotler írta:

> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:
>
>> I'll get the NET distribution you mentioned and go from there.
>>
> I opened a bug report about it since I can't seem to get any answer as
> to the status of PowerPC support. It's here:
>
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557580
>
> Maybe we will get an answer soon.
>

Added my comments there. BTW: this state of PPC factory (or just a few
days earlier) is running fine on my Pegasos PPC machine.
Bye,
CzP
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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-21T16:13:13Z

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:
> I'll get the NET distribution you mentioned and go from there.

I opened a bug report about it since I can't seem to get any answer as
to the status of PowerPC support. It's here:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=557580

Maybe we will get an answer soon.
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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-20T13:14:33Z

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:
> So I copied the module to my system (a Mac OS X) and tried to
> load it on CD so that it can be used at boottime.
> Rebooted the system but apparently I didn't manage to make the
> CD bootable.
> So now I need some advice on how to make a bootable CD with just
> this inst64 module on?
> Or any other suggestion will be as welcome!

You would also need the initrd64 file. Basically, the installer calls
the initrd64 which has the setup programs on it, and uses the inst64
as the kernel.

I recommend that you download the 11.1 net install iso:

http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1/iso/openSUSE-11.1-NET-ppc.iso

and then do a minimal install. Once done, you can use yast to change
the repos to factory and then do the zypper dup and install what
patterns you want.

I'm pulling the factory net iso and will try it in my G4 tonight if I have time.

Does anyone at Novell/openSUSE have an offical comment on the status
of the PPC port? I tried to check with Andreas J. but he's out till
end of the month. Thanx
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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-20T12:31:07Z

Op 20-nov-09 schreef Marcus Meissner:

>On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 01:35:18PM +0100, Klaas. wrote:
>> Op 19-nov-09 schreef Stephen Michael Kellat:
>>
>> >Larry Stotler wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:
>> >>> Can someone in the know (Marcus?) please give a
>> >>> description how to get an openSuse 11.2 install
>> >>> om a PPC, PowerMac G5 1.8 dual in my case.
>> >>> I downloaded the one CD from the repository, it
>> >>> was dated oktober. It would not boot. I am totally
>> >>> confused about the use of Factory. So please some
>> >>> coaching and handholding and maybe I can get some
>> >>> use out of this beast (the most expensive and least
>> >>> usable Mac that I bought).
>> >>> There is an openSuse 11.1 system on it, but corrupt
>> >>> it keeps reloading the desktop. Waited for 11.2
>> >>> and now this.
>> >>
>> >> You could try changing your repos to the ones in this directory:
>> >>
>> >> http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo/
>> >>
>> >> and then doing a:
>> >>
>> >> zypper dup
>> >>
>> >> to update to the latest factory. Evidently Official PPC support has
>> >> been dropped from openSUSE.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe someone could clarify this? Olaf? Andreas?
>> >>
>> >> Thanx
>>
>> >I tried to use the net install disc for PPC to set up my G4. It did not
>> >have a pre-existing install of openSUSE. The net install disc refused
>> >to boot at all as if it did not even have yaboot or similar on it.
>>
>> The same situation for me:
>>
>> - the /powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/iso
>> contains 1 iso file from 14-oct-2009, which I burned to CD
>> and tried to boot, but got nowhere.
>>
>> - the /powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo
>> contains more recent stuff but it is a mystery to me how I
>> can create an installation for my PowerPC from this.
>>
>> I have the feeling that I may need just a few pointers to
>> get started and then go from there. So once more, please
>> give some guidance in this mailing list (or point me to the
>> subject documentation, please...)

>I dont have that much knowledge, but you should be able to do a openfirmware
>netboot of the http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/suseboot/inst64
>image (or inst32 on 32bit sysrtems) and then point the installer
>do a network copy of the oss repo.

>Ciao, Marcus

Marcus,
Thank you for the reply. I worked on your suggestion but somehow
I can't get my brain around it.

I located the inst64 module, but when I visualised how to boot
from this remote address during the openfirmware boot I somehow
can't imagine that the network is available at that time.

So I copied the module to my system (a Mac OS X) and tried to
load it on CD so that it can be used at boottime.
Rebooted the system but apparently I didn't manage to make the
CD bootable.

So now I need some advice on how to make a bootable CD with just
this inst64 module on?
Or any other suggestion will be as welcome!

greetings,
Klaas.

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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-20T05:19:16Z

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 01:35:18PM +0100, Klaas. wrote:

> Op 19-nov-09 schreef Stephen Michael Kellat:
>
> >Larry Stotler wrote:
> >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:
> >>> Can someone in the know (Marcus?) please give a
> >>> description how to get an openSuse 11.2 install
> >>> om a PPC, PowerMac G5 1.8 dual in my case.
> >>> I downloaded the one CD from the repository, it
> >>> was dated oktober. It would not boot. I am totally
> >>> confused about the use of Factory. So please some
> >>> coaching and handholding and maybe I can get some
> >>> use out of this beast (the most expensive and least
> >>> usable Mac that I bought).
> >>> There is an openSuse 11.1 system on it, but corrupt
> >>> it keeps reloading the desktop. Waited for 11.2
> >>> and now this.
> >>
> >> You could try changing your repos to the ones in this directory:
> >>
> >> http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo/
> >>
> >> and then doing a:
> >>
> >> zypper dup
> >>
> >> to update to the latest factory. Evidently Official PPC support has
> >> been dropped from openSUSE.
> >>
> >> Maybe someone could clarify this? Olaf? Andreas?
> >>
> >> Thanx
>
> >I tried to use the net install disc for PPC to set up my G4. It did not
> >have a pre-existing install of openSUSE. The net install disc refused
> >to boot at all as if it did not even have yaboot or similar on it.
>
> The same situation for me:
>
> - the /powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/iso
> contains 1 iso file from 14-oct-2009, which I burned to CD
> and tried to boot, but got nowhere.
>
> - the /powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo
> contains more recent stuff but it is a mystery to me how I
> can create an installation for my PowerPC from this.
>
> I have the feeling that I may need just a few pointers to
> get started and then go from there. So once more, please
> give some guidance in this mailing list (or point me to the
> subject documentation, please...)

I dont have that much knowledge, but you should be able to do a openfirmware
netboot of the http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss/suseboot/inst64
image (or inst32 on 32bit sysrtems) and then point the installer
do a network copy of the oss repo.

Ciao, Marcus
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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-20T04:35:18Z

Op 19-nov-09 schreef Stephen Michael Kellat:

>Larry Stotler wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:
>>> Can someone in the know (Marcus?) please give a
>>> description how to get an openSuse 11.2 install
>>> om a PPC, PowerMac G5 1.8 dual in my case.
>>> I downloaded the one CD from the repository, it
>>> was dated oktober. It would not boot. I am totally
>>> confused about the use of Factory. So please some
>>> coaching and handholding and maybe I can get some
>>> use out of this beast (the most expensive and least
>>> usable Mac that I bought).
>>> There is an openSuse 11.1 system on it, but corrupt
>>> it keeps reloading the desktop. Waited for 11.2
>>> and now this.
>>
>> You could try changing your repos to the ones in this directory:
>>
>> http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo/
>>
>> and then doing a:
>>
>> zypper dup
>>
>> to update to the latest factory. Evidently Official PPC support has
>> been dropped from openSUSE.
>>
>> Maybe someone could clarify this? Olaf? Andreas?
>>
>> Thanx

>I tried to use the net install disc for PPC to set up my G4. It did not
>have a pre-existing install of openSUSE. The net install disc refused
>to boot at all as if it did not even have yaboot or similar on it.

The same situation for me:

- the /powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/iso
contains 1 iso file from 14-oct-2009, which I burned to CD
and tried to boot, but got nowhere.

- the /powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo
contains more recent stuff but it is a mystery to me how I
can create an installation for my PowerPC from this.

I have the feeling that I may need just a few pointers to
get started and then go from there. So once more, please
give some guidance in this mailing list (or point me to the
subject documentation, please...)

greetings,
Klaas Punt

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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-19T12:18:55Z

Larry Stotler wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:
>> Can someone in the know (Marcus?) please give a
>> description how to get an openSuse 11.2 install
>> om a PPC, PowerMac G5 1.8 dual in my case.
>> I downloaded the one CD from the repository, it
>> was dated oktober. It would not boot. I am totally
>> confused about the use of Factory. So please some
>> coaching and handholding and maybe I can get some
>> use out of this beast (the most expensive and least
>> usable Mac that I bought).
>> There is an openSuse 11.1 system on it, but corrupt
>> it keeps reloading the desktop. Waited for 11.2
>> and now this.
>
> You could try changing your repos to the ones in this directory:
>
> http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo/
>
> and then doing a:
>
> zypper dup
>
> to update to the latest factory. Evidently Official PPC support has
> been dropped from openSUSE.
>
> Maybe someone could clarify this? Olaf? Andreas?
>
> Thanx

I tried to use the net install disc for PPC to set up my G4. It did not
have a pre-existing install of openSUSE. The net install disc refused
to boot at all as if it did not even have yaboot or similar on it.

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Re: GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-19T10:36:04Z

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Klaas. <kplists@...> wrote:

> Can someone in the know (Marcus?) please give a
> description how to get an openSuse 11.2 install
> om a PPC, PowerMac G5 1.8 dual in my case.
> I downloaded the one CD from the repository, it
> was dated oktober. It would not boot. I am totally
> confused about the use of Factory. So please some
> coaching and handholding and maybe I can get some
> use out of this beast (the most expensive and least
> usable Mac that I bought).
> There is an openSuse 11.1 system on it, but corrupt
> it keeps reloading the desktop. Waited for 11.2
> and now this.

You could try changing your repos to the ones in this directory:

http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/repo/

and then doing a:

zypper dup

to update to the latest factory. Evidently Official PPC support has
been dropped from openSUSE.

Maybe someone could clarify this? Olaf? Andreas?

Thanx
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GEtting up to 11.2 on PPC

2009-11-19T10:20:23Z

LS,

Can someone in the know (Marcus?) please give a
description how to get an openSuse 11.2 install
om a PPC, PowerMac G5 1.8 dual in my case.

I downloaded the one CD from the repository, it
was dated oktober. It would not boot. I am totally
confused about the use of Factory. So please some
coaching and handholding and maybe I can get some
use out of this beast (the most expensive and least
usable Mac that I bought).
There is an openSuse 11.1 system on it, but corrupt
it keeps reloading the desktop. Waited for 11.2
and now this.

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Re: OpenSuse11.2 on PPC

2009-11-12T10:28:08Z

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:44:27PM -0500, Larry Stotler wrote:
> That's not good news. How are support and updates going to be
> handled if there is no release? I've been wanting to try 11.2
> on my G4 and not having a release is something I wasn't
> expecting.
>
> How is PPC going to be handled from now on?

I assume the proper procedure is to use the net install cd from
http://powerpc.opensuse.org/factory/iso/

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Re: OpenSuse11.2 on PPC

2009-11-12T09:44:27Z

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Marcus Meissner <meissner@...> wrote:
> openSUSE Factory is still being built for PowerPC and I am typing this
> on a PowerMAC G5 from the current status of this tree.
>
> We will probably not making a 11.2 release, but you can continue
> to track Factory if you want.

That's not good news. How are support and updates going to be handled
if there is no release? I've been wanting to try 11.2 on my G4 and
not having a release is something I wasn't expecting.

How is PPC going to be handled from now on?
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Re: OpenSuse11.2 on PPC

2009-11-12T09:26:15Z

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 06:21:36PM +0100, Klaas. wrote:
> In download:
>
> openSUSE only supports PCs with 32Bits and 64 Bits.
>
> Does this mean that I can stop looking for a PPC distribution?

openSUSE Factory is still being built for PowerPC and I am typing this
on a PowerMAC G5 from the current status of this tree.

We will probably not making a 11.2 release, but you can continue
to track Factory if you want.

Ciao, Marcus
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OpenSuse11.2 on PPC

2009-11-12T09:21:36Z

In download:

openSUSE only supports PCs with 32Bits and 64 Bits.

Does this mean that I can stop looking for a PPC distribution?
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11.1 install issues (nvidia) on G5

2009-09-30T11:17:41Z

I have a 4 core (2 socket) G5. Just tried to install OpenSUSE 11.1 GM.

Not sure if the issues I'm seeing are related to using a DVI->VGA adapter
(machine is connected to VGA KVM switch).

Post yaboot the VGA screen would go blank (black), machine was still running
but no indication from the monitor (21" Optiquest) regarding signal out of
range. Video card is a NVideo GeForce 6600.

Booting with 'video=nvidiafb:1280x1024@75-32' allowed the install to proceed
but I'm getting a lot of artifacts/corruption in the console mode graphics.

X11 also fails to start, this time the monitor displays an out of range error.
I've tried running SaX2 with -V 0:1280x1024@75 and also -l to regenerate a new
config but it causes the monitor to display an out of range error.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong? I noticed that the monitor section of my xorg
conf file was wrong so I copied that section and adjusted the resolutions from
another working machine but no change. I can attach xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
files if it's the case that I'm not doing something obviously stupid ;-)

tony
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T20:54:15Z

one other idea (sorry)

Debian is not providing an altivec optimized version. If you want that you have to go with Gentoo. If you were building cpu optimized from the ground up with the libaltivec and perhaps the c++ altivec libraries (that require translation for the changed library calls to all the source codes that use them -- ughh) -- it would be a lot more interesting. I've thought about doing the Gentoo but its a lot of compiling, especially on slower cpus (I've had some experience with fink and macports in MacOSX which want that too)

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@...> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this,
> CC me as I'm not subscribed)
> Hi,
>
> First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
> Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer,
> also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on
> the following sites:
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
>
> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424
>
> http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11
>
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4
>
> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604
>
> To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it
> goes:
>
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system (well,
> the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a
> joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance
> will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a
> little market research first. I know the market is literally "dying" for a new
> powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc.
And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why
should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to
Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system
give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant
negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the "desktop"
range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide
more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific
hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86?

Thanks
Guennadi

>
> Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order
> of probability/importance:
>
> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a
> 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual
> SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one
> would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit
> (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and
> availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait.
>
> Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or
> PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:
>
> * SATA connectors
> * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
> * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we
> might even have 4!!!)
> * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
> * 1 PCI-e slot 1x
> * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)
>
> Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End
> price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
> (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards.
> Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and
> only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case
> of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not
> enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down
> substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are
> wondering, yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
> company (Codex).
>
> Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
> possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the actual
> feedback I get from those users.
>
> I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in such a
> system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner rather than later if
> you would send me a few personal details to markos@... with subject
> "PowerPC board":
>
> * Name
> * Country
> * email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
> * Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
> * Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
> * OS of preference
> * board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
> * preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I mentioned,
> it might be lower but that's not very probable)
> * Other notes/comments
>
> Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove that
> this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get feedback. So
> far the feedback I got can be summarized here:
>
> http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.
>
> Konstantinos Margaritis
>
> Codex
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T20:46:37Z

I think that you should start out with something of the sub-netbook type. These are the next generation and coming up very soon. For a home computer you need at least dual core and at those speeds it will need a very low price and small footprint.

If you could sneak in on the sub-net quick perhaps power could become 2nd to ARM as AMD is to Intel. Intel is trying to sneak in but there could be some anti-trust issues, especially if there are other contenders (maybe).

Its really too too bad PA-SEMI killed by apple last year. I am still mad about that. That was a really really nice cpu, 2ghz and 7watt and 64bit. Should have been illegal.

The first subnetbook may likely be an apple product, and a tablet with an optional separate keyboard and a 9.5 inch screen, and the ARM cpu...

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@...> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this,
> CC me as I'm not subscribed)
> Hi,
>
> First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
> Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer,
> also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on
> the following sites:
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
>
> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424
>
> http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11
>
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4
>
> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604
>
> To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it
> goes:
>
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system (well,
> the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a
> joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance
> will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a
> little market research first. I know the market is literally "dying" for a new
> powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc.
And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why
should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to
Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system
give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant
negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the "desktop"
range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide
more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific
hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86?

Thanks
Guennadi

>
> Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order
> of probability/importance:
>
> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a
> 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual
> SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one
> would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit
> (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and
> availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait.
>
> Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or
> PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:
>
> * SATA connectors
> * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
> * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we
> might even have 4!!!)
> * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
> * 1 PCI-e slot 1x
> * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)
>
> Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End
> price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
> (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards.
> Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and
> only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case
> of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not
> enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down
> substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are
> wondering, yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
> company (Codex).
>
> Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
> possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the actual
> feedback I get from those users.
>
> I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in such a
> system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner rather than later if
> you would send me a few personal details to markos@... with subject
> "PowerPC board":
>
> * Name
> * Country
> * email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
> * Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
> * Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
> * OS of preference
> * board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
> * preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I mentioned,
> it might be lower but that's not very probable)
> * Other notes/comments
>
> Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove that
> this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get feedback. So
> far the feedback I got can be summarized here:
>
> http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.
>
> Konstantinos Margaritis
>
> Codex
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T20:45:15Z

Speaking for myself, and I'm a small-time consultant to the local Small-Office Home-Office market, I would wholeheartedly welcome the arrival to the market of a PowerPC/Power motherboard. I would commission local builders to create servers and desktops that would have that one extra layer of protection from malware.

I believe it would also give developers a platform to hone their skills on a native platform for the embedded market.

I wholeheartedly endorse the creation of a PowerPC/POWER motherboard. I'll be one of the first customers.

All my best - Chris Reich; Rochester, New York

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@...>
> Subject: Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
> To: "Konstantinos Margaritis" <markos@...>
> Cc: linuxppc-dev@..., debian-powerpc@..., opensuse-ppc@...
> Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:01 PM
> On 09/26/2009 05:38 AM, Konstantinos
> Margaritis wrote:
>
> > I'm considering funding the design & production of
> a new PowerPC
> > system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc
> stuff and a
> > case).
>
> It might be interesting as a low-power system. For a
> development box,
> this looks more interesting:
>
> http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/specs.html
>
> $1250 USD gets you two dual-core 2.5GHz 970MP chips.
>
> Chris
>
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T16:01:27Z

On 09/26/2009 05:38 AM, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC
> system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a
> case).

It might be interesting as a low-power system. For a development box,
this looks more interesting:

http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/specs.html

$1250 USD gets you two dual-core 2.5GHz 970MP chips.

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-26T11:15:14Z

Hello,

first off, I like your idea. This is my public reply, I'll give a
personal reply later.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Konstantinos Margaritis
<markos@...> wrote:
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system
> (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this
>
What makes the system stand out, from say a Atom based PC?

(I know, playing devil's advocate here)

> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes
> a 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet,
> dual SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this
>

Go for QorIQ P1022, it's the ideal SoC for many applications.

Alternatively, it's predecessor MPC8536E available now, ~same specs,
but higher power. But not the two you mention please.

> End price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
>
Pico P1022 or Pico MPC8536E pls.

and throw PCI Express (x4) in the party!

(hint: I haven't seen an Intel board with Atom and PCI Express yet).

Will the board be open hardware? I.e. an open sourced design?

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-26T10:58:52Z

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this,
> CC me as I'm not subscribed)
> Hi,
>
> First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
> Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer,
> also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on
> the following sites:
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
>
> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424
>
> http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11
>
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4
>
> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604
>
> To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it
> goes:
>
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system (well,
> the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a
> joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance
> will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a
> little market research first. I know the market is literally "dying" for a new
> powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc.
And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why
should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to
Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system
give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant
negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the "desktop"
range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide
more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific
hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86?

Thanks
Guennadi

>
> Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order
> of probability/importance:
>
> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a
> 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual
> SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one
> would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit
> (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and
> availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait.
>
> Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or
> PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:
>
> * SATA connectors
> * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
> * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we
> might even have 4!!!)
> * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
> * 1 PCI-e slot 1x
> * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)
>
> Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End
> price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
> (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards.
> Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and
> only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case
> of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not
> enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down
> substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are
> wondering, yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
> company (Codex).
>
> Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
> possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the actual
> feedback I get from those users.
>
> I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in such a
> system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner rather than later if
> you would send me a few personal details to markos@... with subject
> "PowerPC board":
>
> * Name
> * Country
> * email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
> * Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
> * Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
> * OS of preference
> * board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
> * preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I mentioned,
> it might be lower but that's not very probable)
> * Other notes/comments
>
> Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove that
> this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get feedback. So
> far the feedback I got can be summarized here:
>
> http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.
>
> Konstantinos Margaritis
>
> Codex
> _______________________________________________
> Linuxppc-dev mailing list
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Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-26T04:38:38Z

(Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested
in this, CC me as I'm not subscribed)
Hi,

First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian
Developer, also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec.
I've posted this on the following sites:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4

http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604

To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but
here it goes:

I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC
system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a
case). No this is not a joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long
time, and perhaps the chance will be given to me now. But before I
spend any money on this, I want to do a little market research first.
I know the market is literally "dying" for a new powerpc motherboard,
but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not
in order of probability/importance:

1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board
would be prohibitive.
2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and
includes a 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise).
Apart from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit
ethernet, dual SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the
MPC8610). So this one would lower the cost of the board quite much.
Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit (it sucks I know), though it includes
an SPE unit which is not that bad, and availability will be in Q3/Q4
2010, so that's a long wait.

Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610
case) or PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:

* SATA connectors
* USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
* Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the
MPC8640D we might even have 4!!!)
* Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
* 1 PCI-e slot 1x
* 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)

Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of
these. End price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022
board or ~500EUR (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of
the other boards. Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips,
don't include SATA, USB and only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in
MPC8640D case, or sound in the case of MPC8610). I know this sounds a
lot, but it's the reality, there is not enough funding to build
enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down substantially, we
have to start low and build up from there. In case you are wondering,
yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
company (Codex).

Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the
actual feedback I get from those users.

I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in
such a system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner
rather than later if you would send me a few personal details to markos@...
with subject "PowerPC board":

* Name
* Country
* email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
* Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
* Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
* OS of preference
* board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
* preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I
mentioned, it might be lower but that's not very probable)
* Other notes/comments

Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove
that this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get
feedback. So far the feedback I got can be summarized here:

http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60

Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.

Konstantinos Margaritis

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Re: Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-21T13:00:27Z

2009-08-21 14:35 keltezéssel, Peter Czanik írta:

>
>
>> OK, today saw a new factory sync for ppc.
>>
>>
> I'm trying to install it right now. Installation hang already a couple
> of times just in the middle. It's a kind of difficult to debug anything,
> as alt+(ctrl)+fX does not work to switch consoles, not even in text
> mode. Is it expected behavior or time to write a bugreport? (I don't
> have an x86 installer to check it ATM). The Alt key works OK, I use
> keyboard shortcuts all the time...
>

OK, once installed from a local mirror instead of powerpc.opensuse.org,
installation finished successfully on my Pegasos PPC machine. Not
counting this console switching problem, the PPC port seems to be all right.
Bye,
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Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-21T05:35:30Z

2009-08-19 16:44 keltezéssel, Stephan Kulow írta:
> Am Donnerstag 13 August 2009 schrieb Peter Czanik:
>
>> Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
>> do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
>> from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
>>
> OK, today saw a new factory sync for ppc.
>
I'm trying to install it right now. Installation hang already a couple
of times just in the middle. It's a kind of difficult to debug anything,
as alt+(ctrl)+fX does not work to switch consoles, not even in text
mode. Is it expected behavior or time to write a bugreport? (I don't
have an x86 installer to check it ATM). The Alt key works OK, I use
keyboard shortcuts all the time...
Statistics: my installs won't show up in the download logs, as I use the
Hungarian mirror. My international connection is far from ideal...
Bye,
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No isos for 11.1 in powerpc.opensuse.org repo?

2009-08-20T19:56:52Z

I am downloading the factory net iso for ppc, and when I looked in the
distribution/11.1 folder, there is no iso directory under
it.......Isn't there supposed to be one for the net install and dvd
isos? Or am I missing something?
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Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-19T07:59:21Z

Hello,

2009-08-19 16:44 keltezéssel, Stephan Kulow írta:
> Am Donnerstag 13 August 2009 schrieb Peter Czanik:
>
>> Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
>> do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
>> from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
>>
> OK, today saw a new factory sync for ppc.
>
Wow, thanks for the great news! I also added the PPC list to the CC.
Bye,
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Re: Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-13T16:53:38Z

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Peter Czanik<pczanik@...> wrote:
> Two of those are my machines. Not a huge number, but openSUSE was (is)
> still the best distro for PPC, with very kind help from Olaf, not found
> at any other large distro.

I probably have 1 or 2 in that list as well though I haven't used them
much lately..... And I second Olaf's helpfulness. He's been a
lifesaver for older hardware.

> Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
> do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
> from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
> or rather the lack of it is really very ugly, I hope, this isn't what we
> have to expect from the openSUSE project...

I didn't get the original email. I was pleased when openSUSE
restarted the PPC port and would be disappointed to see it ended since
many other distros are going that route since Apple moved to
Intel......
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Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-13T13:27:28Z

Hello,

2009-08-13 18:07 keltezéssel, Michael Loeffler írta:
> Main reason gives the openSUSE statistics page [1] the number for ppc
> installations:
> ppc 0,3%
>
Two of those are my machines. Not a huge number, but openSUSE was (is)
still the best distro for PPC, with very kind help from Olaf, not found
at any other large distro.

>> How definite is this decision?
>>
> We welcome and support anyone who wants to maintain and create the ppc
> distribution for openSUSE but Novell won't maintain and create it anymore for
> openSUSE.
>
Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
or rather the lack of it is really very ugly, I hope, this isn't what we
have to expect from the openSUSE project...
Bye,
CzP

> Best
> M
>
>> I am deeply disappointed!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard (MQ)
>>
> [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics
>
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Re: No Milestones for PPC?

2009-08-05T12:12:23Z

On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 08:03:34PM +0100, Richard (MQ) wrote:

> Larry Stotler wrote:
> > I was looking to try Milestones on PPC, but didn't see any for PPC in
> > either download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2-Milestone4/iso/ or in
> > powerpc.opensuse.org.
> >
> > Is PPC being depreciated? I see a factory net install disk dated
> > 7/22, which is around Milestone 4's timeframe.
>
> Larry,
>
> I think the total lack of response (& also the lack of activity on this
> list) answers your question ?
>
> I, too, am hoping to see a PPC milestone for 11.2 soon but I'm not
> holding my breath. Remember that with 11.1 many alphas and betas were
> missing though the final release was basically OK.

ask on the -factory list perhaps.

Ciao, Marcus
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Re: No Milestones for PPC?

2009-08-05T12:03:34Z

Larry Stotler wrote:
> I was looking to try Milestones on PPC, but didn't see any for PPC in
> either download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2-Milestone4/iso/ or in
> powerpc.opensuse.org.
>
> Is PPC being depreciated? I see a factory net install disk dated
> 7/22, which is around Milestone 4's timeframe.

Larry,

I think the total lack of response (& also the lack of activity on this
list) answers your question ?

I, too, am hoping to see a PPC milestone for 11.2 soon but I'm not
holding my breath. Remember that with 11.1 many alphas and betas were
missing though the final release was basically OK.

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No Milestones for PPC?

2009-07-31T20:14:12Z

I was looking to try Milestones on PPC, but didn't see any for PPC in
either download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2-Milestone4/iso/ or in
powerpc.opensuse.org.

Is PPC being depreciated? I see a factory net install disk dated
7/22, which is around Milestone 4's timeframe.

Thanx
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Re: 11.2 Milestone DVDs?

2009-06-25T18:27:19Z

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Evan McClain<evan.mcclain@...> wrote:
> Will ppc Milestone install DVDs be released?

You should probably ask on the factory list. However, IIRC, there
weren't alsway DVDs available for PPC in prior development cycles, but
I could be mistaken.
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11.2 Milestone DVDs?

2009-06-25T13:17:39Z

Will ppc Milestone install DVDs be released?

The net install CDs are up to date, but I would like to test an
install on my PS3 and my powerbook from DVD.

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movie could not playback due to lack of AC-3 and H.264 codec

2009-05-27T19:18:17Z

Hello. I guess I got this error from Totem thanks to not having
installed ffmpeg:

The playback of this movie requires the following decoders which
are not installed:

AC-3 (ATSC A/52) decoder
H.264 decoder

However this error message is still there after I installed ffmpeg
package from packman. I know it is impossible to playback some codec on
PPC because of lack of binary compatibility to codecs compiled for x86,
example being some WMV video. However is this the case? Should I install
some more package or is it impossible to playback on PPC?

The video I am trying to play is .mkv format

A page on opensuse.org:
http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/11.1
suggested me to codecs-gnome.ymp, which I did, installed every package
except those who are not available for PPC, the result is I still could
not playback the .mkv file. I have a dozen files in this format that
playback fine on other machine using vlc, excluding corrupted file
possibility.

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