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11.1 install issues (nvidia) on G5

2009-09-30T11:17:41Z

I have a 4 core (2 socket) G5. Just tried to install OpenSUSE 11.1 GM.

Not sure if the issues I'm seeing are related to using a DVI->VGA adapter
(machine is connected to VGA KVM switch).

Post yaboot the VGA screen would go blank (black), machine was still running
but no indication from the monitor (21" Optiquest) regarding signal out of
range. Video card is a NVideo GeForce 6600.

Booting with 'video=nvidiafb:1280x1024@75-32' allowed the install to proceed
but I'm getting a lot of artifacts/corruption in the console mode graphics.

X11 also fails to start, this time the monitor displays an out of range error.
I've tried running SaX2 with -V 0:1280x1024@75 and also -l to regenerate a new
config but it causes the monitor to display an out of range error.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong? I noticed that the monitor section of my xorg
conf file was wrong so I copied that section and adjusted the resolutions from
another working machine but no change. I can attach xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
files if it's the case that I'm not doing something obviously stupid ;-)

tony
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T20:54:15Z

one other idea (sorry)

Debian is not providing an altivec optimized version. If you want that you have to go with Gentoo. If you were building cpu optimized from the ground up with the libaltivec and perhaps the c++ altivec libraries (that require translation for the changed library calls to all the source codes that use them -- ughh) -- it would be a lot more interesting. I've thought about doing the Gentoo but its a lot of compiling, especially on slower cpus (I've had some experience with fink and macports in MacOSX which want that too)

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@...> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this,
> CC me as I'm not subscribed)
> Hi,
>
> First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
> Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer,
> also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on
> the following sites:
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
>
> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424
>
> http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11
>
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4
>
> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604
>
> To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it
> goes:
>
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system (well,
> the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a
> joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance
> will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a
> little market research first. I know the market is literally "dying" for a new
> powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc.
And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why
should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to
Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system
give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant
negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the "desktop"
range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide
more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific
hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86?

Thanks
Guennadi

>
> Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order
> of probability/importance:
>
> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a
> 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual
> SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one
> would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit
> (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and
> availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait.
>
> Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or
> PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:
>
> * SATA connectors
> * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
> * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we
> might even have 4!!!)
> * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
> * 1 PCI-e slot 1x
> * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)
>
> Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End
> price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
> (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards.
> Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and
> only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case
> of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not
> enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down
> substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are
> wondering, yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
> company (Codex).
>
> Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
> possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the actual
> feedback I get from those users.
>
> I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in such a
> system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner rather than later if
> you would send me a few personal details to markos@... with subject
> "PowerPC board":
>
> * Name
> * Country
> * email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
> * Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
> * Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
> * OS of preference
> * board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
> * preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I mentioned,
> it might be lower but that's not very probable)
> * Other notes/comments
>
> Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove that
> this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get feedback. So
> far the feedback I got can be summarized here:
>
> http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.
>
> Konstantinos Margaritis
>
> Codex
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T20:46:37Z

I think that you should start out with something of the sub-netbook type. These are the next generation and coming up very soon. For a home computer you need at least dual core and at those speeds it will need a very low price and small footprint.

If you could sneak in on the sub-net quick perhaps power could become 2nd to ARM as AMD is to Intel. Intel is trying to sneak in but there could be some anti-trust issues, especially if there are other contenders (maybe).

Its really too too bad PA-SEMI killed by apple last year. I am still mad about that. That was a really really nice cpu, 2ghz and 7watt and 64bit. Should have been illegal.

The first subnetbook may likely be an apple product, and a tablet with an optional separate keyboard and a 9.5 inch screen, and the ARM cpu...

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Guennadi Liakhovetski <g.liakhovetski@...> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this,
> CC me as I'm not subscribed)
> Hi,
>
> First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
> Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer,
> also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on
> the following sites:
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
>
> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424
>
> http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11
>
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4
>
> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604
>
> To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it
> goes:
>
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system (well,
> the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a
> joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance
> will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a
> little market research first. I know the market is literally "dying" for a new
> powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc.
And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why
should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to
Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system
give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant
negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the "desktop"
range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide
more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific
hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86?

Thanks
Guennadi

>
> Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order
> of probability/importance:
>
> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a
> 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual
> SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one
> would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit
> (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and
> availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait.
>
> Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or
> PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:
>
> * SATA connectors
> * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
> * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we
> might even have 4!!!)
> * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
> * 1 PCI-e slot 1x
> * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)
>
> Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End
> price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
> (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards.
> Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and
> only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case
> of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not
> enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down
> substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are
> wondering, yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
> company (Codex).
>
> Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
> possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the actual
> feedback I get from those users.
>
> I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in such a
> system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner rather than later if
> you would send me a few personal details to markos@... with subject
> "PowerPC board":
>
> * Name
> * Country
> * email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
> * Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
> * Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
> * OS of preference
> * board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
> * preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I mentioned,
> it might be lower but that's not very probable)
> * Other notes/comments
>
> Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove that
> this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get feedback. So
> far the feedback I got can be summarized here:
>
> http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.
>
> Konstantinos Margaritis
>
> Codex
> _______________________________________________
> Linuxppc-dev mailing list
> Linuxppc-dev@...
> https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/linuxppc-dev

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T20:45:15Z

Speaking for myself, and I'm a small-time consultant to the local Small-Office Home-Office market, I would wholeheartedly welcome the arrival to the market of a PowerPC/Power motherboard. I would commission local builders to create servers and desktops that would have that one extra layer of protection from malware.

I believe it would also give developers a platform to hone their skills on a native platform for the embedded market.

I wholeheartedly endorse the creation of a PowerPC/POWER motherboard. I'll be one of the first customers.

All my best - Chris Reich; Rochester, New York

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Chris Friesen <cfriesen@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@...>
> Subject: Re: Market research for new PowerPC system
> To: "Konstantinos Margaritis" <markos@...>
> Cc: linuxppc-dev@..., debian-powerpc@..., opensuse-ppc@...
> Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:01 PM
> On 09/26/2009 05:38 AM, Konstantinos
> Margaritis wrote:
>
> > I'm considering funding the design & production of
> a new PowerPC
> > system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc
> stuff and a
> > case).
>
> It might be interesting as a low-power system. For a
> development box,
> this looks more interesting:
>
> http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/specs.html
>
> $1250 USD gets you two dual-core 2.5GHz 970MP chips.
>
> Chris
>
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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-28T16:01:27Z

On 09/26/2009 05:38 AM, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC
> system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a
> case).

It might be interesting as a low-power system. For a development box,
this looks more interesting:

http://www.fixstars.com/en/products/powerstation/specs.html

$1250 USD gets you two dual-core 2.5GHz 970MP chips.

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-26T11:15:14Z

Hello,

first off, I like your idea. This is my public reply, I'll give a
personal reply later.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Konstantinos Margaritis
<markos@...> wrote:
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system
> (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this
>
What makes the system stand out, from say a Atom based PC?

(I know, playing devil's advocate here)

> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes
> a 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet,
> dual SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this
>

Go for QorIQ P1022, it's the ideal SoC for many applications.

Alternatively, it's predecessor MPC8536E available now, ~same specs,
but higher power. But not the two you mention please.

> End price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
>
Pico P1022 or Pico MPC8536E pls.

and throw PCI Express (x4) in the party!

(hint: I haven't seen an Intel board with Atom and PCI Express yet).

Will the board be open hardware? I.e. an open sourced design?

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Re: Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-26T10:58:52Z

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:

> (Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested in this,
> CC me as I'm not subscribed)
> Hi,
>
> First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
> Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian Developer,
> also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec. I've posted this on
> the following sites:
>
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0
>
> http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424
>
> http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11
>
> http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4
>
> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604
>
> To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but here it
> goes:
>
> I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC system (well,
> the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a case). No this is not a
> joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long time, and perhaps the chance
> will be given to me now. But before I spend any money on this, I want to do a
> little market research first. I know the market is literally "dying" for a new
> powerpc motherboard, but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, just a short comment. In principle I like diversity, competition, etc.
And it was somewhat sad when Apple abandoned ppc. But honestly - why
should I be buying a ppc desktop system? If we restrict our comparison to
Linux, because that's what I'm using, what advantages would a ppc system
give me over a comparable in price ix86 system? This is not meant
negatively, I just have not followed recent ppc CPUs from the "desktop"
range, so, this is a real honest question. Would such a system provide
more MIPS per Watt at the same price? Or more periferals? Or some specific
hardware blocks unavailable or unsupported om ix86?

Thanks
Guennadi

>
> Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not in order
> of probability/importance:
>
> 1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
> frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board would be
> prohibitive.
> 2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and includes a
> 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
> 3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise). Apart
> from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit ethernet, dual
> SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the MPC8610). So this one
> would lower the cost of the board quite much. Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit
> (it sucks I know), though it includes an SPE unit which is not that bad, and
> availability will be in Q3/Q4 2010, so that's a long wait.
>
> Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610 case) or
> PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:
>
> * SATA connectors
> * USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
> * Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the MPC8640D we
> might even have 4!!!)
> * Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
> * 1 PCI-e slot 1x
> * 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)
>
> Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of these. End
> price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022 board or ~500EUR
> (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of the other boards.
> Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips, don't include SATA, USB and
> only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in MPC8640D case, or sound in the case
> of MPC8610). I know this sounds a lot, but it's the reality, there is not
> enough funding to build enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down
> substantially, we have to start low and build up from there. In case you are
> wondering, yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
> company (Codex).
>
> Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
> possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the actual
> feedback I get from those users.
>
> I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in such a
> system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner rather than later if
> you would send me a few personal details to markos@... with subject
> "PowerPC board":
>
> * Name
> * Country
> * email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
> * Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
> * Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
> * OS of preference
> * board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
> * preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I mentioned,
> it might be lower but that's not very probable)
> * Other notes/comments
>
> Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove that
> this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get feedback. So
> far the feedback I got can be summarized here:
>
> http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.
>
> Konstantinos Margaritis
>
> Codex
> _______________________________________________
> Linuxppc-dev mailing list
> Linuxppc-dev@...
> https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/linuxppc-dev

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Market research for new PowerPC system

2009-09-26T04:38:38Z

(Sorry for the cross-posting, please ignore if you are not interested
in this, CC me as I'm not subscribed)
Hi,

First some introductions. I'm Konstantinos Margaritis, a long time
Amiga/BeOS/Linux user/developer and a PowerPC fan, former Debian
Developer, also a SIMD/AltiVec fanatic and the author of libfreevec.
I've posted this on the following sites:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=29594&forum=33&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49424

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6465&forum=11

http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=3768&forum=4

http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/market_research_new_powerpc_system#comment-12604

To anyone who is not a PowerPC user, it might seem like crazy, but
here it goes:

I'm considering funding the design & production of a new PowerPC
system (well, the motherboard, the rest are typical pc stuff and a
case). No this is not a joke, I've been wanting to do this for a long
time, and perhaps the chance will be given to me now. But before I
spend any money on this, I want to do a little market research first.
I know the market is literally "dying" for a new powerpc motherboard,
but exactly how many are there that want to buy one?

Ok, let's give some rough specs first. I'm considering 3 choices -not
in order of probability/importance:

1. MPC8640D-based. It will be dual core at 1Ghz -most likely, higher
frequencies are much more expensive and the cost of the final board
would be prohibitive.
2. MPC8610-based. Single core at 1Ghz, slightly less expensive, and
includes a 2D DIU display unit -quite fast, but no 3D unfortunately.
3. QorIQ P1022-based. Again dual core at 1Ghz (1055Mhz to be precise).
Apart from the much lower chip price, this one includes dual gigabit
ethernet, dual SATA, USB 2.0 and a 2D DIU display unit (same as the
MPC8610). So this one would lower the cost of the board quite much.
Disadvantages: No AltiVec unit (it sucks I know), though it includes
an SPE unit which is not that bad, and availability will be in Q3/Q4
2010, so that's a long wait.

Now, the end motherboard will probably be MicroATX (in the 8640D/8610
case) or PicoITX (in the P1022 case), and it will definitely include:

* SATA connectors
* USB (possibly 2 back and 2 front, but that's discussable)
* Dual gigabit (at least one will be there, in the case of the
MPC8640D we might even have 4!!!)
* Sound (of course, SPDIF support will definitely be there)
* 1 PCI-e slot 1x
* 1 PCI-e slot (4x in the P1022 case, 8x in the MPC86xx cases)

Ok, what I want to know is if people would really really buy one of
these. End price is estimated to be ~around~ 350EUR for the P1022
board or ~500EUR (definitely more in the case of 8640D) in the case of
the other boards. Besides being more expensive, the MPC86xx chips,
don't include SATA, USB and only one of ethernet/sound (quad-gige in
MPC8640D case, or sound in the case of MPC8610). I know this sounds a
lot, but it's the reality, there is not enough funding to build
enormous amounts of units and bring the prices down substantially, we
have to start low and build up from there. In case you are wondering,
yes, the boards will be designed/produced by bPlan and funded by my
company (Codex).

Support for OSes: Linux definitely, Haiku most probably and there is a
possibility of supporting AmigaOS/MorphOS, which will depend on the
actual feedback I get from those users.

I would like to make a list of everyone that is really interested in
such a system, so it would really help me make a decision sooner
rather than later if you would send me a few personal details to markos@...
with subject "PowerPC board":

* Name
* Country
* email (definitely, I'd have to reach you back!)
* Phone/Skype (optional, please include international prefix)
* Forum you saw this post (ok, Morphzone in this case)
* OS of preference
* board you would be most interested in (MPC8610/MPC8640D/P1022)
* preferred price (please have in mind the estimated price quotes I
mentioned, it might be lower but that's not very probable)
* Other notes/comments

Also, I found out that I had to state my case on many forums to prove
that this is not vapourware. Well, it will not be vapourware, if I get
feedback. So far the feedback I got can be summarized here:

http://www.codex.gr/index.php?pageID=&blogItem=60

Thanks a lot for your time and I hope this system becomes a reality.

Konstantinos Margaritis

Codex
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Re: Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-21T13:00:27Z

2009-08-21 14:35 keltezéssel, Peter Czanik írta:

>
>
>> OK, today saw a new factory sync for ppc.
>>
>>
> I'm trying to install it right now. Installation hang already a couple
> of times just in the middle. It's a kind of difficult to debug anything,
> as alt+(ctrl)+fX does not work to switch consoles, not even in text
> mode. Is it expected behavior or time to write a bugreport? (I don't
> have an x86 installer to check it ATM). The Alt key works OK, I use
> keyboard shortcuts all the time...
>

OK, once installed from a local mirror instead of powerpc.opensuse.org,
installation finished successfully on my Pegasos PPC machine. Not
counting this console switching problem, the PPC port seems to be all right.
Bye,
CzP
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Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-21T05:35:30Z

2009-08-19 16:44 keltezéssel, Stephan Kulow írta:
> Am Donnerstag 13 August 2009 schrieb Peter Czanik:
>
>> Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
>> do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
>> from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
>>
> OK, today saw a new factory sync for ppc.
>
I'm trying to install it right now. Installation hang already a couple
of times just in the middle. It's a kind of difficult to debug anything,
as alt+(ctrl)+fX does not work to switch consoles, not even in text
mode. Is it expected behavior or time to write a bugreport? (I don't
have an x86 installer to check it ATM). The Alt key works OK, I use
keyboard shortcuts all the time...
Statistics: my installs won't show up in the download logs, as I use the
Hungarian mirror. My international connection is far from ideal...
Bye,
CzP
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No isos for 11.1 in powerpc.opensuse.org repo?

2009-08-20T19:56:52Z

I am downloading the factory net iso for ppc, and when I looked in the
distribution/11.1 folder, there is no iso directory under
it.......Isn't there supposed to be one for the net install and dvd
isos? Or am I missing something?
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Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-19T07:59:21Z

Hello,

2009-08-19 16:44 keltezéssel, Stephan Kulow írta:
> Am Donnerstag 13 August 2009 schrieb Peter Czanik:
>
>> Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
>> do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
>> from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
>>
> OK, today saw a new factory sync for ppc.
>
Wow, thanks for the great news! I also added the PPC list to the CC.
Bye,
CzP
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Re: Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-13T16:53:38Z

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Peter Czanik<pczanik@...> wrote:
> Two of those are my machines. Not a huge number, but openSUSE was (is)
> still the best distro for PPC, with very kind help from Olaf, not found
> at any other large distro.

I probably have 1 or 2 in that list as well though I haven't used them
much lately..... And I second Olaf's helpfulness. He's been a
lifesaver for older hardware.

> Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
> do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
> from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
> or rather the lack of it is really very ugly, I hope, this isn't what we
> have to expect from the openSUSE project...

I didn't get the original email. I was pleased when openSUSE
restarted the PPC port and would be disappointed to see it ended since
many other distros are going that route since Apple moved to
Intel......
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Re: [opensuse-project] More Support for the openSUSE Project

2009-08-13T13:27:28Z

Hello,

2009-08-13 18:07 keltezéssel, Michael Loeffler írta:
> Main reason gives the openSUSE statistics page [1] the number for ppc
> installations:
> ppc 0,3%
>
Two of those are my machines. Not a huge number, but openSUSE was (is)
still the best distro for PPC, with very kind help from Olaf, not found
at any other large distro.

>> How definite is this decision?
>>
> We welcome and support anyone who wants to maintain and create the ppc
> distribution for openSUSE but Novell won't maintain and create it anymore for
> openSUSE.
>
Now, that my second son is also 4+ months old, I have again some time to
do testing, but was disappointed to find, that the last factory sync is
from 22nd of July, more than three weeks old. The communication of this,
or rather the lack of it is really very ugly, I hope, this isn't what we
have to expect from the openSUSE project...
Bye,
CzP

> Best
> M
>
>> I am deeply disappointed!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard (MQ)
>>
> [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics
>
>

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Re: No Milestones for PPC?

2009-08-05T12:12:23Z

On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 08:03:34PM +0100, Richard (MQ) wrote:

> Larry Stotler wrote:
> > I was looking to try Milestones on PPC, but didn't see any for PPC in
> > either download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2-Milestone4/iso/ or in
> > powerpc.opensuse.org.
> >
> > Is PPC being depreciated? I see a factory net install disk dated
> > 7/22, which is around Milestone 4's timeframe.
>
> Larry,
>
> I think the total lack of response (& also the lack of activity on this
> list) answers your question ?
>
> I, too, am hoping to see a PPC milestone for 11.2 soon but I'm not
> holding my breath. Remember that with 11.1 many alphas and betas were
> missing though the final release was basically OK.

ask on the -factory list perhaps.

Ciao, Marcus
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Re: No Milestones for PPC?

2009-08-05T12:03:34Z

Larry Stotler wrote:
> I was looking to try Milestones on PPC, but didn't see any for PPC in
> either download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2-Milestone4/iso/ or in
> powerpc.opensuse.org.
>
> Is PPC being depreciated? I see a factory net install disk dated
> 7/22, which is around Milestone 4's timeframe.

Larry,

I think the total lack of response (& also the lack of activity on this
list) answers your question ?

I, too, am hoping to see a PPC milestone for 11.2 soon but I'm not
holding my breath. Remember that with 11.1 many alphas and betas were
missing though the final release was basically OK.

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No Milestones for PPC?

2009-07-31T20:14:12Z

I was looking to try Milestones on PPC, but didn't see any for PPC in
either download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.2-Milestone4/iso/ or in
powerpc.opensuse.org.

Is PPC being depreciated? I see a factory net install disk dated
7/22, which is around Milestone 4's timeframe.

Thanx
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Re: 11.2 Milestone DVDs?

2009-06-25T18:27:19Z

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Evan McClain<evan.mcclain@...> wrote:
> Will ppc Milestone install DVDs be released?

You should probably ask on the factory list. However, IIRC, there
weren't alsway DVDs available for PPC in prior development cycles, but
I could be mistaken.
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11.2 Milestone DVDs?

2009-06-25T13:17:39Z

Will ppc Milestone install DVDs be released?

The net install CDs are up to date, but I would like to test an
install on my PS3 and my powerbook from DVD.

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movie could not playback due to lack of AC-3 and H.264 codec

2009-05-27T19:18:17Z

Hello. I guess I got this error from Totem thanks to not having
installed ffmpeg:

The playback of this movie requires the following decoders which
are not installed:

AC-3 (ATSC A/52) decoder
H.264 decoder

However this error message is still there after I installed ffmpeg
package from packman. I know it is impossible to playback some codec on
PPC because of lack of binary compatibility to codecs compiled for x86,
example being some WMV video. However is this the case? Should I install
some more package or is it impossible to playback on PPC?

The video I am trying to play is .mkv format

A page on opensuse.org:
http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats/11.1
suggested me to codecs-gnome.ymp, which I did, installed every package
except those who are not available for PPC, the result is I still could
not playback the .mkv file. I have a dozen files in this format that
playback fine on other machine using vlc, excluding corrupted file
possibility.

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[SOLVED ]Re: broken sound on iBook G4

2009-05-27T00:55:22Z

在 2009-05-24日的 19:32 +0800，Zhang Weiwu写道：
> Hello. OpenSuSE 11.1 playback sound as if for every second of sound, the
> later 1/2 second sound is played back twice. It sounds seriously broken
> and takes one third more time to finish the playback. This happens to
> every mp3 audio file I have, including those plays fine on other
> computers. I tried to use totem and vlc, both playback exactly the same
> broken sound. I also tried switching audio output device between
> pulseaudio, alsa and oss with no difference between them.

I do tried to switching audio output device between pulseaudio, alsa and
oss but did not restart vlc before testing, now I realized I should
close vlc player and re-start it to test.

It turns out this issue is due to alsa. If I select PulseAudio or ALSA
the sound is broken. If I select oss, it is okay (but of course I can
only run one player at a time)

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Re: [SOLVED] Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-27T00:48:30Z

在 2009-05-26二的 14:17 +0800，Zhang Weiwu写道：

> 1. download the ppc jre from IBM in RPM format. You need an IBM ID
> for that;
> 2. install libstdc++33, remove old openJDK JRE (and its "plugin");
> 3. double-click to install the RPM package you downloaded. Note that
> unlike most other applications, when installation successfully
> finish, the installer will close itself WITHOUT saying
> 'installation is successful', so if you see it suddenly closed it
> is not crashed.
> 4. for every Java application you wish to run, change its properties
> of desktop icon. e.g.
> was: /usr/local/bin/jedit
> change to: /usr/bin/env JAVA_HOME=/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre
> /usr/local/bin/jedit

5. In case you need to run Java applets, do this:
ln -s /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/browser-plugins/

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[SOLVED] Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-25T23:17:23Z

Manfred Tremmel wrote:
> Am Montag, 25. Mai 2009 schrieb Zhang Weiwu:
>
>
>> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
>> cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
>>
>
> Sorry, would be a very stupid way.
> Install libstdc++33, it contains the libstdc++.so.5

Thank you very much for your hints, this instantly solved my problem.
Here is the full instruction for other newbies:

1. download the ppc jre from IBM in RPM format. You need an IBM ID
for that;
2. install libstdc++33, remove old openJDK JRE (and its "plugin");
3. double-click to install the RPM package you downloaded. Note that
unlike most other applications, when installation successfully
finish, the installer will close itself WITHOUT saying
'installation is successful', so if you see it suddenly closed it
is not crashed.
4. for every Java application you wish to run, change its properties
of desktop icon. e.g.
was: /usr/local/bin/jedit
change to: /usr/bin/env JAVA_HOME=/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre
/usr/local/bin/jedit

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(OT) Ubuntu on iBOok (was: Re: how to install ibm jre)

2009-05-25T19:22:01Z

Steven Didier wrote:
> I had the very same problems with versions 5-7. I would end up
> tweaking the Xorg config file each time I upgraded. That was not the
> case in the latest Jaunty 9.04 it installed without a hitch and my
> graphics chip is the ATI mobility 900.
I started by trying Ubuntu 9.04 and than 8.04, then 7.04, which finally
work. And I spent 1 day to install 7.04, upgrade to 8.04 then to 9.04,
which still doesn't work.
> If you haven't tried the latest release I'd suggest that you download
> it and give it a try again. As another option Yellow Dog Linux, based
> on Fedora, is compiled for ppc, Sony Playstation (it has the motorola
> ppc processor) may work for you
I went through this. People suggest yellow dog linux for me. I opt for
openSUSE for its wide coverage of package repository because I am a
demanding user that uses 20 software tools for my work (although none of
them are software development tools) and i hate to mess with the trouble
of installing software outside package repository because my old
experience told me it could be a blackwhole sucks in time. YDL offer a
very narrow package repository.
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Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-25T19:11:58Z

I had the very same problems with versions 5-7. I would end up
tweaking the Xorg config file each time I upgraded. That was not the
case in the latest Jaunty 9.04 it installed without a hitch and my
graphics chip is the ATI mobility 900.
If you haven't tried the latest release I'd suggest that you download
it and give it a try again. As another option Yellow Dog Linux, based
on Fedora, is compiled for ppc, Sony Playstation (it has the motorola
ppc processor) may work for you
Good luck,

SteveD
On May 25, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Zhang Weiwu wrote:

> Steven Didier wrote:
>> I moved away from Open Suse also, I now run Ubuntu 9.04 (I've been
>> using Ubuntu on my TiBook for a couple years now) This version works
>> very well for everything except the usb image creator tool (it is an
>> i-386-586 specific tool as syslinux hasn't been ported to ppc).
>> Java,
>> the app and JRE work as does flash.
>> Cheers, SteveD
>
> Thanks for the input. I spent 2 day trying to install Ubuntu on
> iBook G4
> and turn to opensuse after everything I can do failed. The main
> problem
> being X, no matter how I tweak or try to compile a driver for my ATI
> Radeon Mobility card, starting X server always puts the notebook to
> black screen where the only thing can do is to login to the notebook
> through SSH and shut down the host (killing X server wouldn't get
> console back). I'd love to use Ubuntu if I could, because I had
> switched
> from OpenSuSE to Ubuntu 3 years ago and liked it for its lack of
> problems e.g. occasionally not able to print (which happens in
> OpenSUSE), slowness on starting "Computer" menu (now better in 11.1),
> defaulting to banshee which I hate (where ubuntu default tools for
> multi
> media works better) and having to struggle on package management to
> figure out how to install VLC etc (where Ubuntu have them 2 clicks
> away).
>
> Now switching back to OpenSuSE I have found a few new problem that
> wasn't there 3 years ago, e.g. GIMP doesn't print (most other
> application prints, even 2/3 times fail 1/3 time works, but GIMP
> always
> fail). However it do fixed some major problem that existed 3 years
> ago,
> e.g. huge (and growing amount of) memory consumed by the start menu
> replacement (where Ubuntu have simple start menu).
>
> I cannot help but feeling Ubuntu is for use, while OpenSUSE sells
> because it have several "advantages" like nicer beagle integration,
> wired start menu (now I think it is a bit more useful than Ubuntu's
> because of "favorites"), XEN integration, Mono and its applications
> like
> banshee. When you want to buy an OS, you may consider which have
> advantages, but when you actually use an OS, these special OpenSUSE
> advantages helps little in my daily business, while stability and less
> number of problems counts.
>

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Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-25T18:31:55Z

Steven Didier wrote:
> I moved away from Open Suse also, I now run Ubuntu 9.04 (I've been
> using Ubuntu on my TiBook for a couple years now) This version works
> very well for everything except the usb image creator tool (it is an
> i-386-586 specific tool as syslinux hasn't been ported to ppc). Java,
> the app and JRE work as does flash.
> Cheers, SteveD

Thanks for the input. I spent 2 day trying to install Ubuntu on iBook G4
and turn to opensuse after everything I can do failed. The main problem
being X, no matter how I tweak or try to compile a driver for my ATI
Radeon Mobility card, starting X server always puts the notebook to
black screen where the only thing can do is to login to the notebook
through SSH and shut down the host (killing X server wouldn't get
console back). I'd love to use Ubuntu if I could, because I had switched
from OpenSuSE to Ubuntu 3 years ago and liked it for its lack of
problems e.g. occasionally not able to print (which happens in
OpenSUSE), slowness on starting "Computer" menu (now better in 11.1),
defaulting to banshee which I hate (where ubuntu default tools for multi
media works better) and having to struggle on package management to
figure out how to install VLC etc (where Ubuntu have them 2 clicks away).

Now switching back to OpenSuSE I have found a few new problem that
wasn't there 3 years ago, e.g. GIMP doesn't print (most other
application prints, even 2/3 times fail 1/3 time works, but GIMP always
fail). However it do fixed some major problem that existed 3 years ago,
e.g. huge (and growing amount of) memory consumed by the start menu
replacement (where Ubuntu have simple start menu).

I cannot help but feeling Ubuntu is for use, while OpenSUSE sells
because it have several "advantages" like nicer beagle integration,
wired start menu (now I think it is a bit more useful than Ubuntu's
because of "favorites"), XEN integration, Mono and its applications like
banshee. When you want to buy an OS, you may consider which have
advantages, but when you actually use an OS, these special OpenSUSE
advantages helps little in my daily business, while stability and less
number of problems counts.

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Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-25T16:04:34Z

I moved away from Open Suse also, I now run Ubuntu 9.04 (I've been
using Ubuntu on my TiBook for a couple years now) This version works
very well for everything except the usb image creator tool (it is an
i-386-586 specific tool as syslinux hasn't been ported to ppc). Java,
the app and JRE work as does flash.
Cheers, SteveD
On May 25, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Brett Smith wrote:

> Zhang Weiwu wrote:
>> 在 2009-05-24日的 18:17 +0200，Manfred Tremmel写道：
>>
>> Oh what a shame. However I have to try it, because I don't have other
>> ways. My other java application also behave incorrect, especially
>> jedit
>> which is my daily tool. The problem seems to be related to JRE
>> compatibility with Chinese input method which is beyond what I can
>> fix
>> by myself. I guess I had to try see if IBM JRE works for me.
>>
>> And I start to fight dependency. First error message for latest ppc
>> RPM
>> package is:
>> error: Failed dependencies:
>> libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
>> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
>> cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
>>
>> however it doesn't fool the installer. I still gets the same error
>> messag:
>> error: Failed dependencies:
>> libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
>>
>> Am I one of the first trying to install IBM JRE from IBM site? I
>> guess
>> if other people when through this trouble they probably have some
>> guide
>> posted, but google told me nothing.
>>
>
> I do not have openSUSE anymore on my Mac G4 because it does not easily
> support SMP. However, I was able to make the IBM Java work as the
> default on Fedora 10, so the steps below might work with modifications
> on your Mac. The RPM package names will be slightly different, and
> you
> may need to research more to enable localization, as I only use
> English.
>
> Regards,
> - Brett
>
>
> Some web site references:
>
> IBM Java developer kits (download 32-bit iSeries/pSeries)
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html
>
> See section: "Linux dependent packages are not available" and
> "update-alternatives" commands
> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/wasce/V2.1.0/en/setup-troubleshooting.html
>
> openSUSE update-alternatives article (RPM name is "update-
> alternatives")
> http://en.opensuse.org/Java/setDefaultJava
>
>
> And these are the Fedora 10 steps:
>
> INSTALL PREREQUISITES
>
> Install (Fedora 10):
> libXp-1.0.0-11.fc9.ppc.rpm
> compat-libstdc++-33-3.2.3-64.ppc.rpm
> galternatives-0.13.4-5.fc9.noarch.rpm
>
>
> INSTALL IBM JAVA 5
>
> Install (IBM download):
> ibm-java2-ppc-sdk-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm
> ibm-java2-ppc-javacomm-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm
>
> Add Java 5 application to alternatives:
> # update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
> /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java 1
>
> Add Java 5 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
> # update-alternatives --install
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
> /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so 1
>
>
> INSTALL IBM JAVA 6
>
> Install (IBM download):
> ibm-java-ppc-sdk-6.0-4.0.ppc.rpm
> ibm-java-ppc-javacomm-3.0.0.0.rpm
>
> Add Java 6 application to alternatives:
> # update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
> /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java 1
>
> Add Java 6 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
> # update-alternatives --install
> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
> /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so 1
>
>
> SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) APPLICATION FROM ALTERNATIVES
>
> # update-alternatives --config java
>
> There are 4 programs which provide 'java'.
>
> Selection Command
> -----------------------------------------------
> *+ 1 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/bin/java
> 2 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-gcj/bin/java
> 3 /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java
> 4 /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java
>
> Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 3
>
>
> VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA APPLICATION VERSION
>
> # java -version
> java version "1.5.0"
> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
> pxp32devifx-20090327 (SR9-SSU ))
> IBM J9 VM (build 2.3, J2RE 1.5.0 IBM J9 2.3 Linux ppc-32
> j9vmxp3223-20081129 (JIT enabled)
> J9VM - 20081126_26240_bHdSMr
> JIT - 20081112_1511ifx1_r8
> GC - 200811_07)
> JCL - 20090327
>
>
> SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) BROWSER PLUGIN FROM ALTERNATIVES
>
> # update-alternatives --config libjavaplugin.so
> There are 3 programs which provide 'libjavaplugin.so'.
>
> Selection Command
> -----------------------------------------------
> *+ 1 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/lib/ppc/IcedTeaPlugin.so
> 2 /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
> 3 /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/
> libjavaplugin_oji.so
>
> Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 2
>
>
> VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA BROWSER PLUGIN VERSION
>
> 1. Open Firefox 3, and type the URL: about:plugins
> 2. Scroll down the "Installed plugins" web page and find section:
>
> IBM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.5.0 IBM build jclxp32devifx-20090327
> File name: libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
> Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0
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Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-25T13:48:44Z

Zhang Weiwu wrote:

> 在 2009-05-24日的 18:17 +0200，Manfred Tremmel写道：
>
> Oh what a shame. However I have to try it, because I don't have other
> ways. My other java application also behave incorrect, especially jedit
> which is my daily tool. The problem seems to be related to JRE
> compatibility with Chinese input method which is beyond what I can fix
> by myself. I guess I had to try see if IBM JRE works for me.
>
> And I start to fight dependency. First error message for latest ppc RPM
> package is:
> error: Failed dependencies:
> libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
> cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5
>
> however it doesn't fool the installer. I still gets the same error
> messag:
> error: Failed dependencies:
> libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
>
> Am I one of the first trying to install IBM JRE from IBM site? I guess
> if other people when through this trouble they probably have some guide
> posted, but google told me nothing.
>

I do not have openSUSE anymore on my Mac G4 because it does not easily
support SMP. However, I was able to make the IBM Java work as the
default on Fedora 10, so the steps below might work with modifications
on your Mac. The RPM package names will be slightly different, and you
may need to research more to enable localization, as I only use English.

Regards,
- Brett

Some web site references:

IBM Java developer kits (download 32-bit iSeries/pSeries)
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/download.html

See section: "Linux dependent packages are not available" and
"update-alternatives" commands
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/wasce/V2.1.0/en/setup-troubleshooting.html

openSUSE update-alternatives article (RPM name is "update-alternatives")
http://en.opensuse.org/Java/setDefaultJava

And these are the Fedora 10 steps:

INSTALL PREREQUISITES

Install (Fedora 10):
libXp-1.0.0-11.fc9.ppc.rpm
compat-libstdc++-33-3.2.3-64.ppc.rpm
galternatives-0.13.4-5.fc9.noarch.rpm

INSTALL IBM JAVA 5

Install (IBM download):
ibm-java2-ppc-sdk-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm
ibm-java2-ppc-javacomm-5.0-9.0.ppc.rpm

Add Java 5 application to alternatives:
# update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
/opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java 1

Add Java 5 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
# update-alternatives --install
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
/opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so 1

INSTALL IBM JAVA 6

Install (IBM download):
ibm-java-ppc-sdk-6.0-4.0.ppc.rpm
ibm-java-ppc-javacomm-3.0.0.0.rpm

Add Java 6 application to alternatives:
# update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/java java
/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java 1

Add Java 6 browser plugin to alternatives (for Firefox 3):
# update-alternatives --install
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so libjavaplugin.so
/opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so 1

SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) APPLICATION FROM ALTERNATIVES

# update-alternatives --config java

There are 4 programs which provide 'java'.

Selection Command
-----------------------------------------------
*+ 1 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/bin/java
2 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.5.0-gcj/bin/java
3 /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/java
4 /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/bin/java

Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 3

VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA APPLICATION VERSION

# java -version
java version "1.5.0"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
pxp32devifx-20090327 (SR9-SSU ))
IBM J9 VM (build 2.3, J2RE 1.5.0 IBM J9 2.3 Linux ppc-32
j9vmxp3223-20081129 (JIT enabled)
J9VM - 20081126_26240_bHdSMr
JIT - 20081112_1511ifx1_r8
GC - 200811_07)
JCL - 20090327

SELECT IBM JAVA (5 OR 6) BROWSER PLUGIN FROM ALTERNATIVES

# update-alternatives --config libjavaplugin.so
There are 3 programs which provide 'libjavaplugin.so'.

Selection Command
-----------------------------------------------
*+ 1 /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk/lib/ppc/IcedTeaPlugin.so
2 /opt/ibm/java2-ppc-50/jre/bin/libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
3 /opt/ibm/java-ppc-60/jre/plugin/ppc/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so

Enter to keep the current selection[+], or type selection number: 2

VERIFY INSTALLED JAVA BROWSER PLUGIN VERSION

1. Open Firefox 3, and type the URL: about:plugins
2. Scroll down the "Installed plugins" web page and find section:

IBM Java(TM) Plug-in: J2RE 1.5.0 IBM build jclxp32devifx-20090327
File name: libjavaplugin_ojigtk2.so
Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0
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Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-24T19:37:45Z

Am Montag, 25. Mai 2009 schrieb Zhang Weiwu:

> The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
> cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5

Sorry, would be a very stupid way.
Install libstdc++33, it contains the libstdc++.so.5

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Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-24T16:53:58Z

在 2009-05-24日的 18:17 +0200，Manfred Tremmel写道：
> You have to download from IBM website. The licence was very restricted,
> when I've checked it last, so it doesn't allow to redistribute it.
> Therefore there will be no package on the packman site.
>
> In the past, IBM checked the cpu and failed on cpu's IBM didn't use on
> there own computers, so all G4 didn't work. I don't know if this has
> changed the last years.

Oh what a shame. However I have to try it, because I don't have other
ways. My other java application also behave incorrect, especially jedit
which is my daily tool. The problem seems to be related to JRE
compatibility with Chinese input method which is beyond what I can fix
by myself. I guess I had to try see if IBM JRE works for me.

And I start to fight dependency. First error message for latest ppc RPM
package is:
error: Failed dependencies:
libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc
The usual dirty way of solving such problem is
cp /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5

however it doesn't fool the installer. I still gets the same error
messag:
error: Failed dependencies:
libstdc++.so.5 is needed by ibm-java-ppc-jre-6.0-4.0.ppc

Am I one of the first trying to install IBM JRE from IBM site? I guess
if other people when through this trouble they probably have some guide
posted, but google told me nothing.

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Re: how to install ibm jre

2009-05-24T09:17:26Z

Am Sonntag, 24. Mai 2009 schrieb Zhang Weiwu:
> Hello. I have problem accessing online banking from iBook
> G4/opensuse. It uses applet and it works fine on my friends iBook G3
> running Gentoo Linux and IBM jre. I noticed opensuse installed
> icedtea instead, so I am thinking if I can install IBM jre it would
> solve the problem.
>
> However I couldn't find sun jre in package repository, in all of

Sun never created a Linux PPC jre/jdk, so you couldn't find it. There
was a port from Blackdown, but the latest version was 1.3.something. I
wouln't use it anymore.

> powerpc.opensuse.org oss/non-oss repositories and in packman. A
> google search of how to use ibm-jre in opensuse finds my own post
> asking similar question 3 year ago which failed by that time:
> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-07/msg01965.html
>
> Am I advised to go to IBM website download and install jre in RPM
> version? Or should I add other package repositories or where to find
> a pre-packaged ibm jre? What do you try in this case?

You have to download from IBM website. The licence was very restricted,
when I've checked it last, so it doesn't allow to redistribute it.
Therefore there will be no package on the packman site.

In the past, IBM checked the cpu and failed on cpu's IBM didn't use on
there own computers, so all G4 didn't work. I don't know if this has
changed the last years.

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Re: bad experience trying to use iBook G4 with Italy keyboard layout

2009-05-24T07:48:36Z

Zhang Weiwu wrote:
> So *I either gets incorrect keyboard layout mapping or gets incorrect
> modifier keys mapping*.
>
> The solution would be .Xmodmap.
For those who have the same problem as I have and come to this thread
with search engine, here is my .Xmodmap

remove mod1 = Alt_L
add mod1 = Super_L
keycode 64 = ISO_Level3_Shift
keycode 108 = ISO_Level3_Shift
remove mod4 = Super_L

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broken sound on iBook G4

2009-05-24T04:32:31Z

Hello. OpenSuSE 11.1 playback sound as if for every second of sound, the
later 1/2 second sound is played back twice. It sounds seriously broken
and takes one third more time to finish the playback. This happens to
every mp3 audio file I have, including those plays fine on other
computers. I tried to use totem and vlc, both playback exactly the same
broken sound. I also tried switching audio output device between
pulseaudio, alsa and oss with no difference between them.

Where do you suggest me to further look at to track down the problem?
Thanks for hints.

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how to install ibm jre

2009-05-24T03:58:12Z

Hello. I have problem accessing online banking from iBook G4/opensuse.
It uses applet and it works fine on my friends iBook G3 running Gentoo
Linux and IBM jre. I noticed opensuse installed icedtea instead, so I am
thinking if I can install IBM jre it would solve the problem.

However I couldn't find sun jre in package repository, in all of
powerpc.opensuse.org oss/non-oss repositories and in packman. A google
search of how to use ibm-jre in opensuse finds my own post asking
similar question 3 year ago which failed by that time:
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-07/msg01965.html

Am I advised to go to IBM website download and install jre in RPM
version? Or should I add other package repositories or where to find a
pre-packaged ibm jre? What do you try in this case?

Thanks in advance.
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