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by David Chelimsky-2
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Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a
patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story Runner. Read more: http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english Cheers, David _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Mike Vincent
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AWESOME. :)
On 10/21/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky@...> wrote: > Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users@... > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Pat Maddox
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On 10/21/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky@...> wrote:
> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users@... > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > Awesome news, I'm so excited!!! Thanks for all the hard work David. Pat _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Daniel N
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On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky@...> wrote: Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a This looks sweet :) Thanx for everything you do on rspec David. It's a fantastic tool, and it just keeps getting better. _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Pat Maddox
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"Keep in mind that this is brand new and very experimental. I do not
recommend that you start converting all your projects to using this." hehehe.....yeah, okay :) _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Ben Mabey-2
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David Chelimsky wrote:
> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users@... > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > start playing with this... -Ben _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Ashley Moran-2
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On Oct 22, 2007, at 12:33 am, David Chelimsky wrote: > Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in- > plain-english > > Cheers, > David Wow - that just blew my mind! -- blog @ http://aviewfromafar.net/ linked-in @ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran currently @ home _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Aslak Hellesoy
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On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky@...> wrote:
> Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > WOW!! > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users@... > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Pádraic Brady
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Is there any adjective not covered so far ;). Great work, guys. http://blog.astrumfutura.com http://www.patternsforphp.com OpenID Europe Foundation ----- Original Message ---- From: aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy@...> To: rspec-users <rspec-users@...> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:08:52 AM Subject: Re: [rspec-users] plain text stories On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky@...> wrote: > Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a > patch from Pat Maddox, we now have Plain Text User Stories in Story > Runner. > > Read more: > > http://blog.davidchelimsky.net/articles/2007/10/21/story-runner-in-plain-english > WOW!! > Cheers, > David > _______________________________________________ > rspec-users mailing list > rspec-users@... > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users > _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users Pádraic Brady
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Re: plain text stories
by Dan North-2
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Haha - brilliant! I was just putting something together myself based on the original thread but it looks like Pat has a) beaten me to it and b) made it look really elegant.
Nice work. I love it when a community discussion turns into something as cool as this. And so quickly too :) Cheers, Dan On 10/22/07, aslak hellesoy <aslak.hellesoy@...> wrote: On 10/22/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Pat Maddox
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On 10/22/07, Dan North <tastapod@...> wrote:
> Haha - brilliant! I was just putting something together myself based on the > original thread but it looks like Pat has a) beaten me to it and b) made it > look really elegant. Just so you know, David did all the work. There was one little piece missing, but he made it so easy that a monkey could do it. I just happened to be that monkey :) > Nice work. I love it when a community discussion turns into something as > cool as this. And so quickly too :) Agreed. Gotta love open source. Pat _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Andy Watts
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This is awesome!
Many thanks - Andy
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Re: plain text stories
by Dan North-2
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Of course when I said "Pat", I in fact meant "David and his monkey" :)
On 10/22/07, Pat Maddox <pergesu@...> wrote: On 10/22/07, Dan North <tastapod@...> wrote: _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Jonathan Linowes
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On Oct 23, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Dan North wrote: Of course when I said "Pat", I in fact meant "David and his monkey" :) _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Zach Dennis-2
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Nice work David! This is a wonderful step in the right direction!
Zach Dennis http://www.continuousthinking.com
On 10/21/07, David Chelimsky <dchelimsky@...> wrote: Thanks to discussions on this list, suggestions from many of you and a -- Zach Dennis http://www.continuousthinking.com _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by John W. Long-2
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I'm having a lot of trouble understanding why stories are nice for me
as a programmer? It seems targeted towards people who don't want to write code. Generally speaking, I don't see the need for that on the projects I'm working on. Is it possible for this to be a separate library from RSpec so that RSpec core doesn't become bloated? -- John Long http://wiseheartdesign.com _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Luis Lavena
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On 10/24/07, John W. Long <ws@...> wrote:
> I'm having a lot of trouble understanding why stories are nice for me > as a programmer? It seems targeted towards people who don't want to > write code. Generally speaking, I don't see the need for that on the > projects I'm working on. > I see stories as integral / integration tool between your examples (controller and models) and the final user. Also, the whole job of the story is... tell a story. I find this a better interface than: "Contact Page should ... should not..." and so on... > Is it possible for this to be a separate library from RSpec so that > RSpec core doesn't become bloated? AFAIK, spec and stories run in different paths. you can just ignore the stories part and keep using the spec one. -- Luis Lavena Multimedia systems - Leaders are made, they are not born. They are made by hard effort, which is the price which all of us must pay to achieve any goal that is worthwhile. Vince Lombardi _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Pat Maddox
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On 10/24/07, John W. Long <ws@...> wrote:
> I'm having a lot of trouble understanding why stories are nice for me > as a programmer? It seems targeted towards people who don't want to > write code. Generally speaking, I don't see the need for that on the > projects I'm working on. 1. If you have customers then stories are a great communication tool 2. They provide end-to-end integration tests 3. They help you think carefully about the feature set and value of your application. 4. Stories enable better refactoring. Using mocks makes your object specs more brittle, so changes to your code often requires changes to the specs. Because stories work at a very high level, specifying observable behavior of the system, you can change the underlying code without breaking behavior. > Is it possible for this to be a separate library from RSpec so that > RSpec core doesn't become bloated? User stories are an integral part of BDD and as such are a part of RSpec core. Splitting them up would be a gigantic step backwards philosophically. Pat _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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Re: plain text stories
by Ashley Moran-2
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On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:39 pm, Pat Maddox wrote: > 4. Stories enable better refactoring. Using mocks makes your object > specs more brittle, so changes to your code often requires changes to > the specs. Because stories work at a very high level, specifying > observable behavior of the system, you can change the underlying code > without breaking behavior. In a similar way, because they are so high-level, you drive much more development per line of story than you do per line of spec. In fact, you usually generate far more lines of specs than code, where a story can exercise far more lines of code than it takes to write. For people like me, who need to see progress to make progress, this is a big big win. Ashley -- blog @ http://aviewfromafar.net/ linked-in @ http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleymoran currently @ home _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@... http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users |
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