posting to mailing list via newsgroup?

[Jay Daniels-2]

It was suggest to me that I try nntp to view list messages.  It appears
that some are using the Pan news reader to post.

My question, how are you posting to a mailing list via nntp and why?  I
realize that most mailing list appear or are archived on the web and in
news groups.  But I thought you had to subscribe to an "email mailing
list" - how is this possible through nntp?

Or are you reading the list via news and posting by email?

In any case, google sure finds all messages very fast.  Post a message
to the list, search for keyword and it appears on google almost instantly!

With Thunderbird and mutt threading, why would I even want to use ol' nntp.



jay

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[NoOp-4]

On 07/04/2009 06:49 AM, Jay Daniels wrote:

> It was suggest to me that I try nntp to view list messages.  It appears
> that some are using the Pan news reader to post.
>
> My question, how are you posting to a mailing list via nntp and why?  I
> realize that most mailing list appear or are archived on the web and in
> news groups.  But I thought you had to subscribe to an "email mailing
> list" - how is this possible through nntp?
>
> Or are you reading the list via news and posting by email?
>
> In any case, google sure finds all messages very fast.  Post a message
> to the list, search for keyword and it appears on google almost instantly!
>
> With Thunderbird and mutt threading, why would I even want to use ol' nntp.

Do this - in Thunderbird, Edit|Account Settings|Add Account|Newsgroup
account - fill in you name & valid email address|Next|Newsgroup server:
news.gmane.org|Next|leave the account name the same|Next|Finish.

Now, in your mail account pane, just below your email accounts you'll
find 'news.gmane.org' - right click on that and select 'Subscribe'. In
the show items that contain box enter: gmane.linux.ubuntu - that will
show you all of the ubuntu lists that you can view & post to via
gmane.org/nntp. Scroll down and find gmane.linux.ubuntu.user & tick the
box. While you're there, if you are interested in any of the other
lists, click those as well. For this experiment, at least click
gmane.linux.ubuntu.security.announce as well. That is a 'read-only'
list, so you can't post to it, but you can easily see all of the
security announcements. Now click 'OK'.

Below news.gmane.org, click on gmane.linux.ubuntu.user. You'll get a pop
stating that there are (currently) 46813 message headers to download for
this newsgroup. Click on 'Download all headers' if you'd like to get the
headers for all msgs on this list back to 2004. That would be my
recommendation... you are only downloading the headers; the msgs don't
get downloaded to until you click on them. If not *uncheck* 'Mark all
remaining as read' and change the download number from 500 to 1000 and
click 'Download'. When you want to get the next 1000, you can click on
File|Get next 1000 New Messages. Now, in your msg subject pane, click
the column icon to display the messages as threaded.

There you go. You can scroll through the msgs & click on one to view.
Find this one and reply to it. When you do that the first time you will
get an verification email from gmane.org - reply to that & your list
reply will be posted afterwards. That's it, from now on you can read &
reply to the list via nntp. Note: unless you specify otherwise, your
send and replies will be located in your 'Local' folder.

To see the rest of the lists available on gmane.org, you can either look
through the subscribe lists as above, or go to:
http://gmane.org/lists.php
and look there. You can subscribe to as many as interest you for viewing
- the first time you post you will get the verification email for that
list.

BTW: you can still keep your email list subscribed at the same time
until you decide that you wish to use nntp instead. Afterwards, you
still don't need to unsubscribe, just go to
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users and use the
'Unsubscribe or edit options', log in and set 'Mail delivery' to
'Disabled'. You'll still be subscribed to the list if gmane.org hicups
(does on occasion) or you decide you want to revert to email again. In
that case, just do the same, only setting 'Enabled'.

When you get stuck on Thunderbird, you can do the same to subscribe to
news.mozilla.org:mozilla.support.thunderbird, etc.







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[Jay Daniels-2]

On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 10:29 -0700, NoOp wrote:
> To see the rest of the lists available on gmane.org, you can either
> look
> through the subscribe lists as above, or go to:
> http://gmane.org/lists.php

I will try this out tonight.  However, the only real problem I think
that people find reading the list in the mail program is the way
Evolution and Thunderbird threads appear in the message list.
Especially in Evolution.  Threading does not indent the threads or
replies, only the subject is slightly indented and the only hint it
gives is a small down arrow.

In Evo, the name and subject should be indented when viewing threads.  I
enjoy using a mail program that does it all.

Hum, this is a full blown howto! - thanks No0p


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[NoOp-4]

On 07/04/2009 11:42 AM, Jay Daniels wrote:

> On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 10:29 -0700, NoOp wrote:
>> To see the rest of the lists available on gmane.org, you can either
>> look
>> through the subscribe lists as above, or go to:
>> http://gmane.org/lists.php
>
> I will try this out tonight.  However, the only real problem I think
> that people find reading the list in the mail program is the way
> Evolution and Thunderbird threads appear in the message list.
> Especially in Evolution.  Threading does not indent the threads or
> replies, only the subject is slightly indented and the only hint it
> gives is a small down arrow.

I don't know about TB 2.x as I use the pre-released TB 3 (Shredder) only
for testing. But in TB 2.x - select View|Layout|Wide View & Message
Pane. Your threaded mgs should be properly threaded. I always arrange
the column panes to:
thread attach subject tag read from date lines junk
but you can drag & drop them to whatever order you wish.

>
> In Evo, the name and subject should be indented when viewing threads.  I
> enjoy using a mail program that does it all.
>
> Hum, this is a full blown howto! - thanks No0p
>
>
> jay
>
>

I actually use SeaMonkey instead... Evo barfs on large newsgroups
because you can't limit the amount of msg headers downloaded, so you
have to wait until it downloads all of them. Thunderbird is a bit too
'Firefox' like for me & you still need to load a browser. SeaMonkey
combines browser, email/news, chatzilla, and composer all in one
package. It's faster & less bloated than TB and Fx combined (IMO).

I've been using the pre-released SeaMonkey (2.0b1pre) for sometime and
it shares much of the same code of the yet to be released Thunderbird 3
(code named Shredder) & browsing engines/code of Fx 3.x. New filters
allow filtering on headers in newsgroups in the same way you can in
emails, etc. However, you can try the existing version of SeaMonkey:

$ sudo apt-get install seamonkey

Only problem is that version is 1.1.15 and is two versions behind on
security updates.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/356274

My advise is to just install directly from mozilla.org instead.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

and if you'd like to try the 2.0b1pre:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-trunk/
seamonkey-2.0b1pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 04-Jul-2009 01:24 12M




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