question about Ristretto development

[Dominique de Vito-3]

Hi,

while I am currently reading JavaMail to learn about details and its limits, I am curious about specific and detailled reasons behind Ristretto development.

Could someone give me why Ristretto has been developped and what it enables that JavaMail does not (or does in a harder way) ?

Is it possible to write those reasons into the wiki ?

Thanks.

Regards,
Dominique



     

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[timSA]

Hi Dominique

I'm not sure of all the details behind the development, but i think that the main thing was that JavaMail wasn't as polished as it is now.
see this mail that i found in the devel mailing list archives.... thats as much as i know

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dominique de Vito <ddv36a78@...> wrote:

Hi,

while I am currently reading JavaMail to learn about details and its limits, I am curious about specific and detailled reasons behind Ristretto development.

Could someone give me why Ristretto has been developped and what it enables that JavaMail does not (or does in a harder way) ?

Is it possible to write those reasons into the wiki ?

Thanks.

Regards,
Dominique





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[timSA]

Hi Dominique

Just did a search on sourceforge with the keyword JavaMail, there are some interesting responses there

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...> wrote:

Hi Dominique

I'm not sure of all the details behind the development, but i think that the main thing was that JavaMail wasn't as polished as it is now.
see this mail that i found in the devel mailing list archives.... thats as much as i know

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Dominique de Vito <ddv36a78@...> wrote:

Hi,

while I am currently reading JavaMail to learn about details and its limits, I am curious about specific and detailled reasons behind Ristretto development.

Could someone give me why Ristretto has been developped and what it enables that JavaMail does not (or does in a harder way) ?

Is it possible to write those reasons into the wiki ?

Thanks.

Regards,
Dominique





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[Dominique de Vito-3]

Hi Timothy,

Thanks for having done this search. I had just forgotten such a search could give interesting results.

The most interesting email exchange I have found+read is: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=23782.1056988142%40www20.gmx.net

It looks like Ristretto and JavaMail offer quite similar features, but Ristretto API may fit a little better with Columba needs.

As I have no inner detail :-( I am keen to think (up to now), while truly respecting Ristretto developers' achievement, that both Ristretto and JavaMail could do the job.

Dominique


--- En date de : Lun 4.5.09, Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...> a écrit :

> De: Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
> Objet: Re: [Columba-devel] question about Ristretto development
> À: "Dominique de Vito" <ddv36a78@...>
> Cc: columba-devel@...
> Date: Lundi 4 Mai 2009, 9h19
> Hi Dominique
>
> Just did a search
> on sourceforge with the keyword JavaMail, there are some
> interesting responses there
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:13 AM,
> Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Dominique
>
> I'm not sure of all the details behind the development,
> but i think that the main thing was that JavaMail wasn't
> as polished as it is now.
> see this mail
> that i found in the devel mailing list archives.... thats as
> much as i know
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM,
> Dominique de Vito <ddv36a78@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> while I am currently reading JavaMail to learn about
> details and its limits, I am curious about specific and
> detailled reasons behind Ristretto development.
>
>
>
> Could someone give me why Ristretto has been developped and
> what it enables that JavaMail does not (or does in a harder
> way) ?
>
>
>
> Is it possible to write those reasons into the wiki ?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dominique
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[timSA]

Hi Domique

I agree that both JavaMail and Ristretto could do the job, and also want to aknowledge the great work that the authors have done with the library.

However i do have some concerns.

• The original developers of the Ristretto code are no longer actively involved, and as such if we need to expand the library or do bug fixes it could become quite a task
• Having a non-standard mail api (where javamail is the standard) makes it much more difficult to just plugin email libraries, as they will all be designed to work with the standard.
• In the long run I'm lazy...  why maintain something that we can get away with somebody else maintaining?

I do realise that it will be a large amount of work to get the JavaMail api into Columba, but there is hardly a better time to get it in then now, as the project is largely seen as being inactive and there is no pressure to work on a new release etc etc

Thats my view anyway

Tim

On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Dominique de Vito <ddv36a78@...> wrote:

Hi Timothy,

Thanks for having done this search. I had just forgotten such a search could give interesting results.

The most interesting email exchange I have found+read is: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=23782.1056988142%40www20.gmx.net

It looks like Ristretto and JavaMail offer quite similar features, but Ristretto API may fit a little better with Columba needs.

As I have no inner detail :-( I am keen to think (up to now), while truly respecting Ristretto developers' achievement, that both Ristretto and JavaMail could do the job.

Dominique


--- En date de : Lun 4.5.09, Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...> a écrit :

> De: Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
> Objet: Re: [Columba-devel] question about Ristretto development
> À: "Dominique de Vito" <ddv36a78@...>
> Cc: columba-devel@...
> Date: Lundi 4 Mai 2009, 9h19

> Hi Dominique
>
> Just did a search
> on sourceforge with the keyword JavaMail, there are some
> interesting responses there
>
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:13 AM,
> Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Dominique
>
> I'm not sure of all the details behind the development,
> but i think that the main thing was that JavaMail wasn't
> as polished as it is now.
> see this mail
> that i found in the devel mailing list archives.... thats as
> much as i know
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM,
> Dominique de Vito <ddv36a78@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> while I am currently reading JavaMail to learn about
> details and its limits, I am curious about specific and
> detailled reasons behind Ristretto development.
>
>
>
> Could someone give me why Ristretto has been developped and
> what it enables that JavaMail does not (or does in a harder
> way) ?
>
>
>
> Is it possible to write those reasons into the wiki ?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Dominique
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Dominique de Vito-3]

Sure, I share your opinion: +1 for JavaMail.


--- En date de : Lun 4.5.09, Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...> a écrit :

> De: Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
> Objet: Re: [Columba-devel] question about Ristretto development
> À: "Dominique de Vito" <ddv36a78@...>
> Cc: columba-devel@...
> Date: Lundi 4 Mai 2009, 14h14
> Hi Domique
>
> I agree that both JavaMail and Ristretto could do the job,
> and also want to aknowledge the great work that the authors
> have done with the library.
>
> However i do have some concerns.
>
> The original developers of the Ristretto code are
> no longer actively involved, and as such if we need to
> expand the library or do bug fixes it could become quite a
> task
> Having a non-standard mail api (where javamail is the
> standard) makes it much more difficult to just plugin email
> libraries, as they will all be designed to work with the
> standard.In the long run I'm lazy...  why
> maintain something that we can get away with somebody else
> maintaining?
> I do realise that it will be a large amount of work to
> get the JavaMail api into Columba, but there is hardly a
> better time to get it in then now, as the project is largely
> seen as being inactive and there is no pressure to work on a
> new release etc etc
>
>
> Thats my view anyway
>
> Tim
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:53 AM,
> Dominique de Vito <ddv36a78@...>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Timothy,
>
>
>
> Thanks for having done this search. I had just forgotten
> such a search could give interesting results.
>
>
>
> The most interesting email exchange I have found+read is:
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=23782.1056988142%40www20.gmx.net
>
>
>
>
> It looks like Ristretto and JavaMail offer quite similar
> features, but Ristretto API may fit a little better with
> Columba needs.
>
>
>
> As I have no inner detail :-( I am keen to think (up to
> now), while truly respecting Ristretto developers'
> achievement, that both Ristretto and JavaMail could do the
> job.
>
>
>
> Dominique
>
>
>
>
>
> --- En date de : Lun 4.5.09, Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
> a écrit :
>
>
>
> > De: Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
>
> > Objet: Re: [Columba-devel] question about Ristretto
> development
>
> > À: "Dominique de Vito" <ddv36a78@...>
>
> > Cc: columba-devel@...
>
> > Date: Lundi 4 Mai 2009, 9h19
>
> > Hi Dominique
>
> >
>
> > Just did a search
>
> > on sourceforge with the keyword JavaMail, there are
> some
>
> > interesting responses there
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:13 AM,
>
> > Timothy Sparg <timothy.sparg@...>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hi Dominique
>
> >
>
> > I'm not sure of all the details behind the
> development,
>
> > but i think that the main thing was that JavaMail
> wasn't
>
> > as polished as it is now.
>
> > see this mail
>
> > that i found in the devel mailing list archives....
> thats as
>
> > much as i know
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM,
>
> > Dominique de Vito <ddv36a78@...>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > while I am currently reading JavaMail to learn about
>
> > details and its limits, I am curious about specific
> and
>
> > detailled reasons behind Ristretto development.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Could someone give me why Ristretto has been
> developped and
>
> > what it enables that JavaMail does not (or does in a
> harder
>
> > way) ?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Is it possible to write those reasons into the wiki ?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> >
>
> > Dominique
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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