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Hi!

Attention: the insertion of the notes through keyboard qwerty in Thorn doesn't work well as in 1.7.3.

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On Sunday 25 October 2009, Mario Moles wrote:

> Attention: the insertion of the notes through keyboard qwerty  in Thorn
> doesn't work well as in 1.7.3.

Can you be more specific about what you find lacking, Mario?  I have never
really used this feature, so I would never notice if we made it work badly.
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Oh yes my friend!

In the notation-view I insert the notes using the computer keyboard.

For example in the C major tonality if I press the key "z" I get the note c x=d

c=don't works

v=f

b=don't works

n=a

m=b

a=don't works

etc.

Ok?

P.s.: my English is babelfish! Sorry!

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On Monday 26 October 2009, Mario Moles wrote:

> b=don't works
> a=don't works
> etc.

OK, Mario.  Thank you for reporting this problem!

I have no idea what the problem is, or how to fix it, but I can repeat it
running

LANG=it ./rosegarden

It must have something to do with the localization mechanism.

We'll narrow this down to the keys C and B and assume once we figure out how
to get those working everything else should follow from there.

Typing in the US English keyboard layout in all languages, the letters C and B
work in English and Russian, but do not work in Italian, French or Spanish.

Changing the keyboard layout to Spanish (Spain) or Italian has no effect on
whether these keys work or not, so I'm just staying in English.

We'll have to see what we can come up with on this one.  I'll have to read up
on how translation of shortcuts is supposed to work, when I get a chance for
that much homework, which I don't have today.
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[Jani Frilander]

2009/10/27 D. Michael McIntyre <michael.mcintyre@...>

I have no idea what the problem is, or how to fix it, but I can repeat it
running

LANG=it ./rosegarden

It must have something to do with the localization mechanism.

 Works with finnish locale but not with italian.

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Ok Michael! Thanks! I am sure that you will resolve this problem! Good job!
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Hi Michael, is the resolution of the problem still distant?
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On Wednesday 18 November 2009, Mario Moles wrote:

> Hi Michael, is the resolution of the problem still distant?

Oh, I forgot to tell you?

No, I solved this some time ago.  The problem was that Rosegarden was
confusing B the keyboard shortcut and B the note in English, and translating
the shortcuts to Italian/French/Spanish/etc. note names.  I had to separate
the two, and all is well now.

Seeing the result of the solution in Italian probably requires updating the
Italian translation, which I have not done.
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Hi Michael!

I am sorry a lot it but I have tried the version this morning 11308 but me I still have problems with the keys c b to d f g e: they don't give signs of life.

Am I one unlucky?

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On Tuesday 24 November 2009, Mario Moles wrote:

> I am sorry a lot it but I have tried the version this morning 11308 but me
>  I still have problems with the keys c b to d f g e: they don't give signs
>  of life.

> Am I one unlucky?

Italian still has 1204 untranslated strings and 1697 unfinished strings.  The
keys in question are among the strings that have not yet been translated.

Is anyone translating Italian yet, other than our German translator updating a
few strings here and there?  Perhaps you could do it, or perhaps you know
someone who could?  Updating the translation should fix the problem.  I would
prefer to leave this to someone who uses and is familiar with an Italian
keyboard, in case some of the shortcuts need to be remapped to make more
sense.  (Plus I am just super busy right now cleaning things up for release.)
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Dear Michael,

I would be well pleased to also contribute to rosegarden asking I help to other people! I have only need to know what I must translate: can you tell me thing to do?

Thanks!

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On Tuesday 24 November 2009, Mario Moles wrote:

> I would be well pleased to also contribute to rosegarden asking I help to
> other people! I have only need to know what I must translate: can you tell
>  me thing to do?

Since you already have a copy of the source code, you just need to make sure
you have Qt Linguist installed, and use it to translate data/locale/it.ts

Here you go, Mario.  Instead of answering your question in this email, I took
some time out to finish updating the instructions for translators on the wiki:

http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/translator:add_or_update_translation

Let me know how you get along with this.  If it leaves you with questions,
please do ask them, and I will keep working on the instructions so that
everybody has a good plan to follow.

I'll also mention that any other rosegarden-user readers who have an interest
in working on translations, we are in a string freeze now, and I'm giving
everyone as much time as I can to get a good translation together for
February.

We have had almost 100 string changes since the freeze, but very few of these
are completely new strings.  Most of them are from source code corrections
that have made existing translations "obsolete," and these need only minor
modification to be up to date again.  I'm afraid it isn't quite possible to
have a really hard freeze yet at this stage of development, but every string I
change makes more work for me, so I am doing everything I can to keep the work
to a minimum.
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Dear Michael

1) I start to learn whether to use the softwares for the translation and it doesn't seem difficult.

2) I have tried to launch rosegarden this way: "LANG=en ./rosegarden" but the keys c b a d f g e they don't work however. Why? Is it a problem of my system or rosegarden?

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[Jani Frilander]

2009/11/25 Mario Moles <mario-moles@...>

2) I have tried to launch rosegarden this way: "LANG=en ./rosegarden" but the keys c b a d f g e they don't work however. Why? Is it a problem of my system or rosegarden?

You can turn translations of by launching "LANG=C ./rosegarden" to see if it works.

I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.

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[Jani Frilander]

2009/11/25 Jani Frilander <j.frilander@...>

You can turn translations of by launching "LANG=C ./rosegarden" to see if it works.

I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.

In addition key v doesn't work with locales en, en_US and en_GB in notation.

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[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Wednesday 25 November 2009, Mario Moles wrote:

> 2) I have tried to launch rosegarden this way: "LANG=en ./rosegarden" but
>  the keys c b a d f g e they don't work however. Why? Is it a problem of my
>  system or rosegarden?

On 2009/11/25, Jani Frilander wrote:

> I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.
>
> In addition key v doesn't work with locales en, en_US and en_GB in
> notation

I looked at the English translations, and I don't have any idea why these
would be broken.  I've tested that there is no breakage here using any of the
above LANG=, including C.

When I looked into this last time, I came to really understand the problem,
and I was able to provide what I hope is a strong solution (complete with
detailed documentation for translators).  In this case, I simply have no idea.

I would start the experimentation with keyboard layouts though.  If you
(either one of you) change your keyboard layout to an English one, do the
shortcuts work then?
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[D. Michael McIntyre]

On Wednesday 25 November 2009, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> > In addition key v doesn't work with locales en, en_US and en_GB in
> > notation
>
> I looked at the English translations, and I don't have any idea why these
> would be broken.  I've tested that there is no breakage here using any of
>  the above LANG=, including C.

Correction!  I do find that V is broken in en_US (and probably everywhere
else) as you reported.  I saw the hint on the debug list.  I'll see if I can
sort out the new conflict.  This must have happened when I changed Cut and
Close and Paste... to Alt+Shift+X and Alt+Shift+V recently.
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[Jani Frilander]

2009/11/25 D. Michael McIntyre <michael.mcintyre@...>

Correction!  I do find that V is broken in en_US (and probably everywhere
else) as you reported.  I saw the hint on the debug list.  I'll see if I can
sort out the new conflict.  This must have happened when I changed Cut and
Close and Paste... to Alt+Shift+X and Alt+Shift+V recently.

If there is no way to separate keyboard shortcut translations from other
translations, I think there is 2 options:

1) Make keyboard shortcut "V" untranslatable

2) Rename I, II, II etc to something else, for example Do Re Mi...

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On Wednesday 25 November 2009, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> Correction!  I do find that V is broken in en_US (and probably everywhere
> else) as you reported.  I saw the hint on the debug list.  I'll see if I
>  can sort out the new conflict.  This must have happened when I changed Cut
>  and Close and Paste... to Alt+Shift+X and Alt+Shift+V recently.

No, it must have been true longer than that, and I apologize for not noticing
sooner.

I have chosen a crude solution that puts a piece of thin plywood over the hole
instead of filling it in with dirt.  I think the plywood will support enough
weight that nobody will fall through again, because it is very rare that we
will ever have source texts consisting of a single letter or a short string
that could be confused with keyboard shortcut texts.

We'll have to see how it works out though.  I may have to buy a load of dirt
from somewhere and fill in the hole properly after all, but let's try this
first.

Updates to follow shortly.  I'm waiting to post the wiki changes and commit
everything until I've re-translated my languages and tested everything.
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