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by Patryk-6 :: Rate this Message:

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I've been looking at the Raspberry Pi and I've found that they will also  
offer an expansion board with more GPIOs. I wonder if there's some option  
use this board as a 1-wire master or connect some Maxim/Dallas master to  
it. I see that the creator Gert is active in the comments under this post.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/411
Maybe someone more advanced in electronics and 1-wire could ask him about  
it there? I see and option that there would be an uart port(ds2480b) or  
i2c for DS2482-800 connected directly to Pi? Or am I getting it all wrong?

I also read in the comments that
"This is only the first add-on board we’ll be producing, too; look out for  
camera expansions and some other goodies next year"

And some comments from Gert
"That is where the GPIO routing area is for. The Raspberry-Pi has 17 GPIO  
pins. The I/O extension board can take up to 25 signals. So you have to  
mix-and-match. All 17 GPIOs from the Raspberry-Pi come out on the long row  
GP0,GP4,…GP23. You have to connect those pins to whatever you want to use  
which are the B1..B1 MISO.. etc. pins.
  Most pins can be connected arbitrarily except the SPI pins. (MISO..CSnB)  
Also MOTA and MOTB can be connected to arbitrary GPIO pins to give you  
on/off. For speed control you have to connect them to the PWM pins."
He also wrote that the board will be available for purchase but the  
assembly/soldering and buying IC will have to to be done by the user.  
However anyone could start selling the as kits.


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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

by Gregg Levine :: Rate this Message:

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On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:44 PM, p4trykx <p4trykx@...> wrote:

> I've been looking at the Raspberry Pi and I've found that they will also
> offer an expansion board with more GPIOs. I wonder if there's some option
> use this board as a 1-wire master or connect some Maxim/Dallas master to
> it. I see that the creator Gert is active in the comments under this post.
> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/411
> Maybe someone more advanced in electronics and 1-wire could ask him about
> it there? I see and option that there would be an uart port(ds2480b) or
> i2c for DS2482-800 connected directly to Pi? Or am I getting it all wrong?
>
> I also read in the comments that
> "This is only the first add-on board we’ll be producing, too; look out for
> camera expansions and some other goodies next year"
>
> And some comments from Gert
> "That is where the GPIO routing area is for. The Raspberry-Pi has 17 GPIO
> pins. The I/O extension board can take up to 25 signals. So you have to
> mix-and-match. All 17 GPIOs from the Raspberry-Pi come out on the long row
> GP0,GP4,…GP23. You have to connect those pins to whatever you want to use
> which are the B1..B1 MISO.. etc. pins.
>  Most pins can be connected arbitrarily except the SPI pins. (MISO..CSnB)
> Also MOTA and MOTB can be connected to arbitrary GPIO pins to give you
> on/off. For speed control you have to connect them to the PWM pins."
> He also wrote that the board will be available for purchase but the
> assembly/soldering and buying IC will have to to be done by the user.
> However anyone could start selling the as kits.
>
>
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Hello!
That agrees with a discussion I had with one of the people behind that
project. That took place during the third and final US based Maker
Faire, this past September.

I am interested in one because of that reason.
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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

by Sven Geggus-5 :: Rate this Message:

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p4trykx <p4trykx@...> wrote:

> Maybe someone more advanced in electronics and 1-wire could ask him about  
> it there? I see and option that there would be an uart port(ds2480b) or  
> i2c for DS2482-800 connected directly to Pi? Or am I getting it all wrong?

If there are GPIO pins there is probably a software only solution (no
Interface chip needed).

AFAIK the w1 kernel driver (which is supported by owfs) already has a GPIO Mode.

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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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Dnia 04-01-2012 o 20:45:41 Sven Geggus <lists@...>  
napisał(a):

> If there are GPIO pins there is probably a software only solution (no
> Interface chip needed).
>
> AFAIK the w1 kernel driver (which is supported by owfs) already has a  
> GPIO Mode.

Here's a post about GPIO of R-Pi
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/384
However GPIOs will be 3.3V but there will be also i2c bus so maybe  
DS2482-800 can be connected along with other useful stuff like digital  
potentiometers.

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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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I'm also looking at this nice device for using with owfs. I certainly let you know when I got a unit...
the 3.3v is not a real issue and could be solved with some basic components. (resistor and transistor.)

Pascal

2012/1/4 Patryk <p4trykx@...>
Dnia 04-01-2012 o 20:45:41 Sven Geggus <lists@...>
napisał(a):

> If there are GPIO pins there is probably a software only solution (no
> Interface chip needed).
>
> AFAIK the w1 kernel driver (which is supported by owfs) already has a
> GPIO Mode.

Here's a post about GPIO of R-Pi
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/384
However GPIOs will be 3.3V but there will be also i2c bus so maybe
DS2482-800 can be connected along with other useful stuff like digital
potentiometers.

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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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On 05/01/2012 16:31, Pascal Baerten wrote:
> I'm also looking at this nice device for using with owfs. I certainly let
> you know when I got a unit...
> the 3.3v is not a real issue and could be solved with some basic
> components. (resistor and transistor.)
>
> Pascal

If you've got £3,500 (yes 3.5K GBP) handy then you could always stick in
a bid on eBay for one, in fact, quite literally *the* number one (beta),
and perhaps have it for the weekend.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-beta-board-01-limited-series-10-/180786868894?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2a17bcb29e

If you're less flush with cash, then there are some others still around
the 1K mark.

Or wait until they come out at ~15 GBP as promised :)

I thought people paying 1K EUR for a virtual spaceship drone in some
online game was crazy, but we've been watching the pi listings since
they went in, and these are even more insane.

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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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Dnia 10-01-2012 o 15:48:25 Nick <nick@...> napisał(a):

> On 05/01/2012 16:31, Pascal Baerten wrote:
>> I'm also looking at this nice device for using with owfs. I certainly  
>> let >> you know when I got a unit...

!!!They started production!!!

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/509

Looking how many people commented I think that the first 10k batch will  
sell out in first day.
I hope they ship to Poland.




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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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I know this is rather premature - however...

When these go on general sale, I suspect that they might be rather popular.
I will be getting one, specifically for 1-wire stuff.

Now, I have never (successfully) done any cross compilation.
Could someone start on a HOWTO for dummies for this device - or, better yet, could we have an optimised, static binary available for download?

On 11 January 2012 00:56, p4trykx <p4trykx@...> wrote:
Dnia 10-01-2012 o 15:48:25 Nick <nick@...> napisał(a):

> On 05/01/2012 16:31, Pascal Baerten wrote:
>> I'm also looking at this nice device for using with owfs. I certainly
>> let >> you know when I got a unit...

!!!They started production!!!

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/509

Looking how many people commented I think that the first 10k batch will
sell out in first day.
I hope they ship to Poland.




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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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download pre compiled binaries :) they work nice
crosscompille is better you add a virtual machine to your x86 pc, and
configura a linux distro with only gcc crosscompiller
this works better and execute compillation like a 'normal' compile
with just ./configure --arch.... option

2012/1/12 Phil White <manx.biz@...>:

> I know this is rather premature - however...
>
> When these go on general sale, I suspect that they might be rather popular.
> I will be getting one, specifically for 1-wire stuff.
>
> Now, I have never (successfully) done any cross compilation.
> Could someone start on a HOWTO for dummies for this device - or, better yet,
> could we have an optimised, static binary available for download?
>
>
> On 11 January 2012 00:56, p4trykx <p4trykx@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dnia 10-01-2012 o 15:48:25 Nick <nick@...> napisał(a):
>>
>> > On 05/01/2012 16:31, Pascal Baerten wrote:
>> >> I'm also looking at this nice device for using with owfs. I certainly
>> >> let >> you know when I got a unit...
>>
>> !!!They started production!!!
>>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/509
>>
>> Looking how many people commented I think that the first 10k batch will
>> sell out in first day.
>> I hope they ship to Poland.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

by Sven Geggus-5 :: Rate this Message:

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Phil White <manx.biz@...> wrote:

> Now, I have never (successfully) done any cross compilation.
> Could someone start on a HOWTO for dummies for this device - or, better
> yet, could we have an optimised, static binary available for download?

It is almost certainly possible to nativly compile owfs on the device
because they intend to run full blown linux distro.

As far as Debian stable is concerned I recently backported the Debian
packages for x86 (64/32 bit) and armel (which I expect the raspberry Pi
computer will be).

Just add
deb http://geggus.net/debian squeeze main

to /etc/apt/sources.list

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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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uhmmm nice

2012/1/12 Sven Geggus <lists@...>:

> Phil White <manx.biz@...> wrote:
>
>> Now, I have never (successfully) done any cross compilation.
>> Could someone start on a HOWTO for dummies for this device - or, better
>> yet, could we have an optimised, static binary available for download?
>
> It is almost certainly possible to nativly compile owfs on the device
> because they intend to run full blown linux distro.
>
> As far as Debian stable is concerned I recently backported the Debian
> packages for x86 (64/32 bit) and armel (which I expect the raspberry Pi
> computer will be).
>
> Just add
> deb http://geggus.net/debian squeeze main
>
> to /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> Regards
>
> Sven
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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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I've had a go at designing a RaspberryPi 1-wire breakout board, details here

http://go.je/18v <http://go.je/18v+>

Happy to take any feedback, main constraint was keeping the size smaller
than 5x5cm (allows for cheaper production of prototypes)

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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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why not ds2480b+? with uart or usb-uart interface?

2012/1/18 Stuart Poulton <webworm@...>:

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>
> http://go.je/18v <http://go.je/18v+>
>
> Happy to take any feedback, main constraint was keeping the size smaller
> than 5x5cm (allows for cheaper production of prototypes)
>
> Cheers
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we could use rspberrypi as a ethernet-serial proxy, and execute owfs
at server side for example

2012/1/18 Roberto Spadim <roberto@...>:

> why not ds2480b+? with uart or usb-uart interface?
>
> 2012/1/18 Stuart Poulton <webworm@...>:
>> I've had a go at designing a RaspberryPi 1-wire breakout board, details here
>>
>> http://go.je/18v <http://go.je/18v+>
>>
>> Happy to take any feedback, main constraint was keeping the size smaller
>> than 5x5cm (allows for cheaper production of prototypes)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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Stuart Poulton <webworm@...> wrote:

> Happy to take any feedback

Why I2C? AFAIK the w1-gpio-custom Kernel driver does provide a 1-wire
Interface on any GPIO Pin which provides w1 compatible Voltage and owfs can
sit on top of this. So at best we will not need any external Hardware at
all. I think Raspberry Pi Board will almost certainly include a Linux GPIO
subsystem compatible aproach for controlling GPIOs.

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Because I felt that i2c offered more options, and keeps the serial port
free for things that might be serial only.

On 18/01/12 09:02, Roberto Spadim wrote:

> why not ds2480b+? with uart or usb-uart interface?
>
> 2012/1/18 Stuart Poulton <webworm@...>:
>> I've had a go at designing a RaspberryPi 1-wire breakout board, details here
>>
>> http://go.je/18v <http://go.je/18v+>
>>
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>> than 5x5cm (allows for cheaper production of prototypes)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

by Stuart Poulton-4 :: Rate this Message:

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Not sure why you wouldn't want to have the benefits of running OWFS on
the RPi itself ?

On 18/01/12 09:03, Roberto Spadim wrote:

> we could use rspberrypi as a ethernet-serial proxy, and execute owfs
> at server side for example
>
> 2012/1/18 Roberto Spadim <roberto@...>:
>> why not ds2480b+? with uart or usb-uart interface?
>>
>> 2012/1/18 Stuart Poulton <webworm@...>:
>>> I've had a go at designing a RaspberryPi 1-wire breakout board, details here
>>>
>>> http://go.je/18v <http://go.je/18v+>
>>>
>>> Happy to take any feedback, main constraint was keeping the size smaller
>>> than 5x5cm (allows for cheaper production of prototypes)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Stuart
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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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Ok, firstly GPIO's on the RPi are 3v3 not 5v so not suited to longer
distance, there  is no buffering or protection present.

I believe that an i2c driver chip provides a more robust solution than
simply bit banging a GPIO pin.

Stuart

On 18/01/12 09:07, Sven Geggus wrote:

> Stuart Poulton <webworm@...> wrote:
>
>> Happy to take any feedback
> Why I2C? AFAIK the w1-gpio-custom Kernel driver does provide a 1-wire
> Interface on any GPIO Pin which provides w1 compatible Voltage and owfs can
> sit on top of this. So at best we will not need any external Hardware at
> all. I think Raspberry Pi Board will almost certainly include a Linux GPIO
> subsystem compatible aproach for controlling GPIOs.
>
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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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Stuart Poulton <webworm@...> wrote:

> Ok, firstly GPIO's on the RPi are 3v3 not 5v so not suited to longer
> distance, there  is no buffering or protection present.

3.3V to 5V converters are not that much of a problöem. One could even use an
Optocoupler for galvanic isolation.

> I believe that an i2c driver chip provides a more robust solution than
> simply bit banging a GPIO pin.

It probably does, but for the sake of simplicity I think that many people
prefer a solution without SMD components.

Sven

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Re: raspberry Pi and 1-wire

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On 18/01/2012 09:07, Sven Geggus wrote:
> Stuart Poulton<webworm@...>  wrote:
>
>> Happy to take any feedback
>
> Why I2C? AFAIK the w1-gpio-custom Kernel driver does provide a 1-wire
> Interface on any GPIO Pin which provides w1 compatible Voltage and owfs can
> sit on top of this. So at best we will not need any external Hardware at
> all. I think Raspberry Pi Board will almost certainly include a Linux GPIO
> subsystem compatible aproach for controlling GPIOs.

GPIOs make an easy 1-wire bus, agreed, but they can't drive the 1-wire
bus in such a way that it works well on long distances or unusual
topologies.

Take a look at http://www.maxim-ic.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/4206 for
example.

HTH,
Chris

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