release events of pirate editions

[Johannes Dewender]

Hello,

I have some releases which I bought in Russia. Some of them are  official,
some are quite certainly not. I read something about this beeing somewhat
legal for non-russion releases for some time, so maybe it is more common for
releases bought in russia than in other countries, but maybe I am wrong.

Examples:
http://musicbrainz.org/release/b9a6b49f-b9a2-45be-9ff9-98fd07f1af6d.html
Apocalyptica - Live
There is an official DVD, but I bought an audio disc with the same content.

http://musicbrainz.org/release/03087c87-4d2d-4cee-971a-ca985be5fd12.html
Apocalyptica - Reflections
I have a version with 7 bonus tracks, having the same barcode and cat# as the
original release without bonus tracks.
I have some notes and links in
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11366609

So my question is what we are doing with the release events for these?
They sometimes copy the information of original releases, so they would be
identical in terms of the events, but this doesn't look right..
With the barcode you would actually connect a wrong ASIN and you would have
the cat# listed twice on the label page.
Are there any guidelines on this? I searched the forum and the ML a bit, but
couldn't find much. There is a lot of talk about "real" bootlegs, but not much
on pirated releases.
I am quite certain that these are releases we should keep, because they are
professional made copies, sold at many places (at least in russia, I guess..)
and not like homebrews.


I would do it like this:
Date: only the year printed on cover
Country: Where this was bought.
(I am not so certain about that because I bought some in Russia which copied
german release data, so I put Europe)
Label/cat#/barcode: only in Annotation.
(This would make finding the official releases by barcode and cat# easier and
clean the label pages)


Other ideas? Objections to seeing the examples mentioned as bootlegs?


JonnyJD


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[James Le Cuirot-2]

On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:00:47 +0200
Johannes Dewender <brainz@...> wrote:

> I have some releases which I bought in Russia. Some of them are
> official, some are quite certainly not. I read something about this
> beeing somewhat legal for non-russion releases for some time, so
> maybe it is more common for releases bought in russia than in other
> countries, but maybe I am wrong.

I add pirate releases as bootlegs to existing releases if the content
is the same. I believe that's what you're supposed to do. If the
content is different, you can add another release. I have many Ozzy
Osbourne albums that I bought in the UK yet they originated from
Russia. They usually have 2 or 3 extra tracks or them.

James

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[MeinDummy]

Hi,

I would treat those bootlegs as follows:
If they are unique: add a release with status 'bootleg' and release event as below
If they are identical to any official release on any format: add the release if necessary and release events for both versions, set status according to the official version

release events:
Date: the year as printed on cover unless the bootleg release date / year are known
Country: where this was bought, independently from the country of origin
Label/cat#/barcode: only in annotation

See also the discussion in http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11341624

Cheers,

Christian (MD)

Johannes Dewender wrote:

Hello,

I have some releases which I bought in Russia. Some of them are  official,
some are quite certainly not. I read something about this beeing somewhat
legal for non-russion releases for some time, so maybe it is more common for
releases bought in russia than in other countries, but maybe I am wrong.

Examples:
http://musicbrainz.org/release/b9a6b49f-b9a2-45be-9ff9-98fd07f1af6d.html
Apocalyptica - Live
There is an official DVD, but I bought an audio disc with the same content.

http://musicbrainz.org/release/03087c87-4d2d-4cee-971a-ca985be5fd12.html
Apocalyptica - Reflections
I have a version with 7 bonus tracks, having the same barcode and cat# as the
original release without bonus tracks.
I have some notes and links in
http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=11366609

So my question is what we are doing with the release events for these?
They sometimes copy the information of original releases, so they would be
identical in terms of the events, but this doesn't look right..
With the barcode you would actually connect a wrong ASIN and you would have
the cat# listed twice on the label page.
Are there any guidelines on this? I searched the forum and the ML a bit, but
couldn't find much. There is a lot of talk about "real" bootlegs, but not much
on pirated releases.
I am quite certain that these are releases we should keep, because they are
professional made copies, sold at many places (at least in russia, I guess..)
and not like homebrews.


I would do it like this:
Date: only the year printed on cover
Country: Where this was bought.
(I am not so certain about that because I bought some in Russia which copied
german release data, so I put Europe)
Label/cat#/barcode: only in Annotation.
(This would make finding the official releases by barcode and cat# easier and
clean the label pages)


Other ideas? Objections to seeing the examples mentioned as bootlegs?


JonnyJD

 
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