repost: dev question

[Miroslav Shaltev]

this may be a repost, if so sorry, but i think it was for any reasons not
deliverd (i do not recieve a copy, as in case of the test post) so i try
again
best regards,
mirsha

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hi @ all

i have some ideas, question whatever about soundtracker, that i want to share
with you:

1. i played for a while with the source (0.6.8) so now i can load xi
instruments with more than 16 samples, i think up to 96 (more than 51 not
tested yet).
i needed some real  sounds, and what more real than sounds from sf2 bank (for
example PC51, great /* the greatest*/ one). unfortunately better the sound
greater the sample number, so 16 ist not enough.
the xm files with this extended xi samples are writeable/readable from
soundtracker in general and i can play them with xmms.

so

question 1: can that be integrated in future soundtracker relase?

2. i found the shortcuts hard to use (i am more or less soundtacker user about
3 years, ok, i never used real amiga tracker, and i am not fast trakcer fan),
so the new shortcuts are more "impuls tracker" style.
// play, stop, etc => F5,F6,F7,F8 , for example

i understand this is a major change, that is hard to be accepted, but

question 2: is there a way to integrate this as option, in keyboard config?

3. why is this module info page needed?
 
question 3: can i merge the instrument/sample list with the instrument editor
page?

4. the rest of module info page should be renamed in mixer page , where one
can adjust volume, pan etc. pro channel

question 4: volume,pan etc. pro channel breaks xm format, right?

5. question: is there a way to introduce stereo samples, for example nedded ,
if one record guitar with phaser, echo, etc. ?

6. question: is it time for own file format? can one use sqlite for example?

7. in sample editor i want to integrate the monitor widget, so one no more
need the monitor button, very usefull for people like me, that play
instruments live, but not so good, to record the right thing at first
attempt.

8. last and may be least, the sample editor again, i want to integrated some
effekts ladspa or whatever one can found out there


any suggestion, opinion, reaction, from "great man, do it" til "hey bastard do
not touch my code!"  greatly appreciated.

finally, as this is my first email to the list: vielen, vielen dank Michael
Krause !!!

best regards @ all

miroslav
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[Yury Aliaev]

Hi, Miroslav!

>
> i have some ideas, question whatever about soundtracker, that i want to share
> with you:
>
> 1. i played for a while with the source (0.6.8) so now i can load xi
> instruments with more than 16 samples, i think up to 96 (more than 51 not
> tested yet).

Where have you got xi instruments with number of the samples > 16? Or
you've created them yourself?

> i needed some real  sounds, and what more real than sounds from sf2 bank (for
> example PC51, great /* the greatest*/ one). unfortunately better the sound
> greater the sample number, so 16 ist not enough.
> the xm files with this extended xi samples are writeable/readable from
> soundtracker in general and i can play them with xmms.

What plugin are you using for playing modules in xmms? I know at least
3: based on mikmod, xmp and modplug. Are you sure that instruments with
more than 16 samples are being played correctly (with all samples
sounding, not only first 16)?

>
> so
>
> question 1: can that be integrated in future soundtracker relase?

I mean yes. It doesn't brake backward compatibility with xm format. But
in general my opinion is that xm format has _too_ many restrictions and
we should create new extendable format for storing tracker modules
rather then expand xm.

>
> 2. i found the shortcuts hard to use (i am more or less soundtacker user about
> 3 years, ok, i never used real amiga tracker, and i am not fast trakcer fan),
> so the new shortcuts are more "impuls tracker" style.
> // play, stop, etc => F5,F6,F7,F8 , for example
>
> i understand this is a major change, that is hard to be accepted, but
>
> question 2: is there a way to integrate this as option, in keyboard config?

Yes, it is. I guess it'll require some changes in key press event
handling. But in the other hand, although ST based on gtk+-1 is not a
corpse ('cause it's being compilled and working), there's no reason to
improve its interface. We should first finish gtk+-2 port and then make
enhancements to it.

>
> 3. why is this module info page needed?

For example, I use it to look through the whole instruments' list to
select the desired one.

>  
> question 3: can i merge the instrument/sample list with the instrument editor
> page?

I mean that in this case there will be no enough space both for the list
and for the editor. Currently I'm using ST with 1024x768 screen
resolution, and the space in instrument editor and module info is just
enough to place them.

>
> 4. the rest of module info page should be renamed in mixer page , where one
> can adjust volume, pan etc. pro channel

In the future I'm planning to create another page called "release
center" where one can adjust volume, panning etc both per channel and
per instrument.

>
> question 4: volume,pan etc. pro channel breaks xm format, right?

Right. So we'll take care in the developing the new module format.

>
> 5. question: is there a way to introduce stereo samples, for example nedded ,
> if one record guitar with phaser, echo, etc. ?

Yes, it is. In principle, there is a way to introduce almost everything
you want 'cause you have sources and C compiler :) What about stereo
samples, some times ago there was a discussion about them in this list
(I can even post some summary) where we spoke about various aspects of
the problem. And now there is unofficial xm format extention supporting
such samples, for instance the modplug code and xmms plugin based on it
can play such modules.

>
> 6. question: is it time for own file format? can one use sqlite for example?

YESSS!!! I know nothing about sqlite format, but in my opinion the new
format have to be expandable and probably xml-based/xml-like (sure
except for the samples' data which will be stored as separate files...
with probable combining everything in one file simply by tar).

>
> 7. in sample editor i want to integrate the monitor widget, so one no more
> need the monitor button, very usefull for people like me, that play
> instruments live, but not so good, to record the right thing at first
> attempt.

I also need this. In Gtk+-2 version :)

>
> 8. last and may be least, the sample editor again, i want to integrated some
> effekts ladspa or whatever one can found out there
>

I also have such proposition. Even more, I mean the sample editor should
be expandable with plugins allowing one to use ladspa, sox, csound and
everything you want.

>
> any suggestion, opinion, reaction, from "great man, do it" til "hey bastard do
> not touch my code!"  greatly appreciated.

If you look at AUTHORS file in ST sources, you'll see that many people
have contributed to ST. So you're kindly welcome :) But I'd like to say
one more time that it'd be nice to finish Gtk+-2 port first.

With best regards,
Yury.

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