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right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Robert P. J. Day-2
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unsurprisingly, the fedora moblin remix does not play well with my laptop with the radeon xpress 200m video. i get a login dialog, but with a fairly large rectangular box plopped on top of it, at which point trying to log in as the live user just eventually brings me back to the login dialog. i can't get any further than that. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Adam Williamson-3
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On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 16:29 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> unsurprisingly, the fedora moblin remix does not play well with my > laptop with the radeon xpress 200m video. i get a login dialog, but > with a fairly large rectangular box plopped on top of it, at which > point trying to log in as the live user just eventually brings me back > to the login dialog. i can't get any further than that. I think it's being done by the moblin project, so one of their mailing lists, I expect. I believe the appropriate action at this point is to debug your xpress 200m. With fire, and possibly a big stick with rusty nails in it. (seriously - what date remix did you try? it'll presumably be using the same X packages as every other spin/mix, so if you got one from yesterday you might have been bitten by the X server horkage, I guess.) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Robert P. J. Day-2
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 16:29 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > unsurprisingly, the fedora moblin remix does not play well with my > > laptop with the radeon xpress 200m video. i get a login dialog, > > but with a fairly large rectangular box plopped on top of it, at > > which point trying to log in as the live user just eventually > > brings me back to the login dialog. i can't get any further than > > that. > > I think it's being done by the moblin project, so one of their > mailing lists, I expect. > > I believe the appropriate action at this point is to debug your > xpress 200m. With fire, and possibly a big stick with rusty nails in > it. chances are good that's true. what's curious, however, is that *some* distros (debian, suse) work just fine with that video chip. fedora, though ... nothing but grief. go figure. > (seriously - what date remix did you try? it'll presumably be using > the same X packages as every other spin/mix, so if you got one from > yesterday you might have been bitten by the X server horkage, I > guess.) i downloaded it maybe three days ago: http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-Beta2-LiveCD.iso and the fedora moblin page itself: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin suggests issues should be posted here or to the fedora-devel list. is there an even newer spin i can test? rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Robert P. J. Day-2
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On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I think it's being done by the moblin project, so one of their > mailing lists, I expect. > > I believe the appropriate action at this point is to debug your > xpress 200m. With fire, and possibly a big stick with rusty nails in > it. by the way, i just tried that moblin remix on my main gateway laptop (ATI radeon RS690M, X1200 series) and it worked just fine. it seems incontrovertible that the xpress 200m really is a dog when it comes to having a working driver. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Adam Williamson-3
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On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 05:21 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> > I believe the appropriate action at this point is to debug your > > xpress 200m. With fire, and possibly a big stick with rusty nails in > > it. > > chances are good that's true. what's curious, however, is that > *some* distros (debian, suse) work just fine with that video chip. > fedora, though ... nothing but grief. go figure. Probably different X server / driver versions and config options. What seems consistent is that _some_ 200ms wind up not working with just about any X release. it just seems to be a particularly fragile chip for some reason... > > (seriously - what date remix did you try? it'll presumably be using > > the same X packages as every other spin/mix, so if you got one from > > yesterday you might have been bitten by the X server horkage, I > > guess.) > > i downloaded it maybe three days ago: > > http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-Beta2-LiveCD.iso > > and the fedora moblin page itself: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin > > suggests issues should be posted here or to the fedora-devel list. is > there an even newer spin i can test? I'm not sure if they're doing daily spins :/ I also don't know what versions of the X stuff wound up on their Beta 2 image. Peter Robinson, could you let us know? What kernel and xorg-x11-server versions are on the beta2 build? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Peter Robinson
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 05:21 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >> > I believe the appropriate action at this point is to debug your >> > xpress 200m. With fire, and possibly a big stick with rusty nails in >> > it. >> >> chances are good that's true. what's curious, however, is that >> *some* distros (debian, suse) work just fine with that video chip. >> fedora, though ... nothing but grief. go figure. > > Probably different X server / driver versions and config options. What > seems consistent is that _some_ 200ms wind up not working with just > about any X release. it just seems to be a particularly fragile chip for > some reason... > >> > (seriously - what date remix did you try? it'll presumably be using >> > the same X packages as every other spin/mix, so if you got one from >> > yesterday you might have been bitten by the X server horkage, I >> > guess.) >> >> i downloaded it maybe three days ago: >> >> http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-Beta2-LiveCD.iso >> >> and the fedora moblin page itself: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin >> >> suggests issues should be posted here or to the fedora-devel list. is >> there an even newer spin i can test? > > I'm not sure if they're doing daily spins :/ I also don't know what > versions of the X stuff wound up on their Beta 2 image. Peter Robinson, > could you let us know? What kernel and xorg-x11-server versions are on > the beta2 build? No daily spins at the moment. Was planning weekly spins but work has been hell at the moment so its random spins. This was created 22:00 on Nov 5th so it should have had the contents of rawhide that day. I plan on doing another one in the next couple of days to pull in all the latest fixes. The testing I've done with Moblin on chipsets other than Intel have had mixed results. Compared to my Netbook my Dell laptop with dual 2.5G penryn chips, 4 gig of RAM runs as slow as a dog and a friends radeon 3400HD laptop just crashes with modesetting and takes 15+ seconds to respond with other issues (RHBZ 529492) without. I think clutter support for the various GPU drivers is (should) be the next big thing for driver optimisation if gnome 3 is going to be useful :-) (un)fortunately Moblin based devices will be the leader of that pack so with luck the fixes should be there in time :-) Cheers, Peter -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Peter Robinson
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@...> wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 16:29 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> > unsurprisingly, the fedora moblin remix does not play well with my >> > laptop with the radeon xpress 200m video. i get a login dialog, >> > but with a fairly large rectangular box plopped on top of it, at >> > which point trying to log in as the live user just eventually >> > brings me back to the login dialog. i can't get any further than >> > that. >> >> I think it's being done by the moblin project, so one of their >> mailing lists, I expect. >> >> I believe the appropriate action at this point is to debug your >> xpress 200m. With fire, and possibly a big stick with rusty nails in >> it. > > chances are good that's true. what's curious, however, is that > *some* distros (debian, suse) work just fine with that video chip. > fedora, though ... nothing but grief. go figure. > >> (seriously - what date remix did you try? it'll presumably be using >> the same X packages as every other spin/mix, so if you got one from >> yesterday you might have been bitten by the X server horkage, I >> guess.) > > i downloaded it maybe three days ago: > > http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-Beta2-LiveCD.iso > > and the fedora moblin page itself: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraMoblin > > suggests issues should be posted here or to the fedora-devel list. is > there an even newer spin i can test? Not at the moment but I hope to get a new one out for tomorrow to test that will have all the X fixes in. Watch this space! Peter -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Adam Williamson-3
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On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 18:19 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
> No daily spins at the moment. Was planning weekly spins but work has > been hell at the moment so its random spins. This was created 22:00 on > Nov 5th so it should have had the contents of rawhide that day. I plan > on doing another one in the next couple of days to pull in all the > latest fixes. Yeah, that was a somewhat bad package set (it'll have X server and kernel with known bugs) - it'd be great to get another spin. Thanks. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Peter Robinson
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 18:19 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: > >> No daily spins at the moment. Was planning weekly spins but work has >> been hell at the moment so its random spins. This was created 22:00 on >> Nov 5th so it should have had the contents of rawhide that day. I plan >> on doing another one in the next couple of days to pull in all the >> latest fixes. > > Yeah, that was a somewhat bad package set (it'll have X server and > kernel with known bugs) - it'd be great to get another spin. Thanks. New release up on the Feature page and you can grab it straight from the link below. Hopefully this one helps out with the ATI issues :-) http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-Beta3-LiveCD.iso -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Robert P. J. Day-2
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@...> wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 18:19 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > >> No daily spins at the moment. Was planning weekly spins but work > >> has been hell at the moment so its random spins. This was created > >> 22:00 on Nov 5th so it should have had the contents of rawhide > >> that day. I plan on doing another one in the next couple of days > >> to pull in all the latest fixes. > > > > Yeah, that was a somewhat bad package set (it'll have X server and > > kernel with known bugs) - it'd be great to get another spin. > > Thanks. > > New release up on the Feature page and you can grab it straight from > the link below. Hopefully this one helps out with the ATI issues :-) > > http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-Beta3-LiveCD.iso i should be able to test this later today. i'll let you know. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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Re: right place for comments on fedora moblin remix?
by Robert P. J. Day-2
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009, Peter Robinson wrote:
> New release up on the Feature page and you can grab it straight from > the link below. Hopefully this one helps out with the ATI issues :-) > > http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-Beta3-LiveCD.iso much better, still a few issues. i dropped this into one of my gateway mx7120s: * 64-bit athlon cpu * 512M RAM (yes, i know, not much) * radeon xpress 200m * 1280x800 display system starts to boot, i leave it for the 10 seconds to auto-boot, i get the (in my case, slow clock graphic showing boot progress), a *very* brief look at the hot dog before the screen blanks, then up into the moblin desktop but the desktop is not perfect -- while viewing the desktop (is that the right word for the window?), i can see that it doesn't fill the screen completely. down the left hand side of the display, i can see a column about 4 pixels wide of blue -- the window doesn't quite extend right to the left edge of the display, showing the background blue. it's worse on the bottom, as it looks like about 20 pixels or so short of the bottom of the physical display. going into apps, starting an xterm and running "xdpyinfo" shows an alleged resolution of 2080x800, which clearly isn't right and once again suggests a phantom second display. even with all that, i can at least get into moblin, so there's been definite improvement. i realize that a lot of my bug reports revolve around that one video chip -- xpress 200m -- so i don't know how much time you want to invest in fixing these things, unless there are similar issues with other ATI video chips. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday ======================================================================== -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list@... To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list |
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