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rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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I know that it might sound unbelievably silly, but no matter how hard I try I can't get guides to rotate on canvas. The release notes doesn't really explain how to do it. I tried all combinations of Ctrl, Alt and Shift above rotation circle mark. So, any clue? Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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You have to shift-click the guide "far enough" from the rotation center to activate rotation.
If you shift-click "near enough to" or inside the rotation center circle you move it through its guide. I hope this helps you.
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Re: rotating guides
by Diederik van Lierop
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Press shift before grabbing the guide, and grab it at some distance from its
rotation origin Et voila! Diederik > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexandre Prokoudine [mailto:alexandre.prokoudine@...] > Sent: 2009 jun 22 12:35 > To: Inkscape Devel List > Subject: [Inkscape-devel] rotating guides > > Hi, > > I know that it might sound unbelievably silly, but no matter how hard > I try I can't get guides to rotate on canvas. The release notes > doesn't really explain how to do it. I tried all combinations of Ctrl, > Alt and Shift above rotation circle mark. So, any clue? > > Alexandre > > > -- > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge > conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: > $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.o > rg > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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Aha, thanks.
The question is... Is it discoverable? :) Alexandre On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Diederik van Lierop wrote: > Press shift before grabbing the guide, and grab it at some distance from its > rotation origin > > Et voila! > > Diederik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Oleg Koptev
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>The question is... Is it discoverable? :)
from my 'engineeric' pov — yes it is -- C уважением, Коптев Олег With respect, Oleg Koptev, SISAM LLC. Jabber ID - koptevoleg@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by SorinN
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for my "designer-istics" pov was not too discoverable ( have I an
poorest IQ ?? ) 2009/6/22 Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...>: >>The question is... Is it discoverable? :) > > from my 'engineeric' pov — yes it is > > -- > C уважением, Коптев Олег > With respect, Oleg Koptev, SISAM LLC. > > Jabber ID - koptevoleg@... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! > Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. > Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > -- Nemes Ioan Sorin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Oleg Koptev
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I hope nope :)
I think it is simply more like 'lever-law', so it is more 'physical' p.s. i remember my iq's is about 140 - don't know how high or low it is. 2009/6/22, SorinN <nemes.sorin@...>: > for my "designer-istics" pov was not too discoverable ( have I an > poorest IQ ?? ) > > > 2009/6/22 Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...>: >>>The question is... Is it discoverable? :) >> >> from my 'engineeric' pov — yes it is >> >> -- >> C уважением, Коптев Олег >> With respect, Oleg Koptev, SISAM LLC. >> >> Jabber ID - koptevoleg@... >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge >> conference! >> Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: >> $250. >> Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Inkscape-devel mailing list >> Inkscape-devel@... >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >> > > > > -- > Nemes Ioan Sorin > -- C уважением, Коптев Олег With respect, Oleg Koptev, SISAM LLC. Jabber ID - koptevoleg@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by SorinN
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;) Average is in between 100-110
People with IQ's of 120 and above tend to staff the professions as doctors, dentists, lawyers, teachers, and college professors. They fall in the upper 10% of the population. So ..you must be good ...too good to become the second Bill Gates ..sorry for you :) and sorry for 3 words offtopic ...talking now about Discoverability -> the tradition for a normal designer ( Corel, Illustrator ) is to look at the status bar for descriptive messages - I observed there is a message when I move the mouse over a guideline : Guideline vertical at xxx mm position [ I am now with Inkscape under XP - I dont check that on Ubuntu yet, ,but I'll compile the new SVN version when I'm done with my work - BTW I am now in Windows because I can't use Color Management so I translated all my Inkscape models in Illustrator to check the right colors ] Now the question is if there, along the normal text ... Guideline vertical at xxx mm position ... can be another descriptive portion like : Drag to move, Shift + Drag to rotate, Ctrl + Click to delete. I hope this will not take too much from development progress - in case if is possible. SorinN P.S. Now - to Shift or not too shift ? - this is the question. 2009/6/22 Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...>: > I hope nope :) > I think it is simply more like 'lever-law', so it is more 'physical' > > p.s. i remember my iq's is about 140 - don't know how high or low it is. > > 2009/6/22, SorinN <nemes.sorin@...>: >> for my "designer-istics" pov was not too discoverable ( have I an >> poorest IQ ?? ) >> >> >> 2009/6/22 Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...>: >>>>The question is... Is it discoverable? :) >>> >>> from my 'engineeric' pov — yes it is >>> >>> -- >>> C уважением, Коптев Олег >>> With respect, Oleg Koptev, SISAM LLC. >>> >>> Jabber ID - koptevoleg@... >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge >>> conference! >>> Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: >>> $250. >>> Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inkscape-devel mailing list >>> Inkscape-devel@... >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Nemes Ioan Sorin >> > > > -- > C уважением, Коптев Олег > With respect, Oleg Koptev, SISAM LLC. > > Jabber ID - koptevoleg@... > -- Nemes Ioan Sorin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Oleg Koptev wrote:
>>The question is... Is it discoverable? :) > > from my 'engineeric' pov — yes it is Even when rotation mark shouldn't really be involved as it turned out? :) Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Steren Giannini-2
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Being discoverable or not doesn't prevent from being written in the Release Note.
Steren On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Oleg Koptev <koptev.oleg@...> wrote: I hope nope :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Preben Soeberg
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> I'll compile the new SVN version when I'm done with my work - BTW I am
> now in Windows because I can't use Color Management so I translated > all my Inkscape models in Illustrator to check the right colors The color management actually works on XP now. Copy profiles to this location: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\color\icc and enable color management in the preferences file ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by bulia byak
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:51 AM, LucaDC<dicappello@...> wrote:
> > You have to shift-click the guide "far enough" from the rotation center to > activate rotation. > If you shift-click "near enough to" or inside the rotation center circle you > move it through its guide. > I hope this helps you. In rev 21647 I added a statusbar hint, made cursor change when you're about to rotate (i.e. far from anchor over the guide and with Shift pressed), and implemented rotation snapping with Shift+Ctrl. Release notes are updated. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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Thanks to bulia byak for working on guides. It's a tool I can't live without and it's been improved so much that I find it really powerful.
Sincerely, I preferred the old arrow cursor (I work under Windows). Now the four-arrow is less precise and its changing whenever you hover is a bit disturbing. I understand that on different OSs the default cursor can be problematic but this imposes the change also where it's not. Anyway, if you are already over the guide, shift-click to rotate (without moving the mouse) and start the rotation, the cursor never changes. This happens also under other circumstances where you click (or unclick) without moving the cursor. I don't know if this is an OS issue and can be fixed. Another thing I noticed is that the rotation snap is calculated from the guide's starting position. I think that as guides are used as absolute anchors, it would be more intuitive to have absolute snapping angles also (i.e. if the guide is at -2.25° and the snapping is every 15°, the snapping will be 0°, 15°, 30°... not -2.25°, 12.75°, 27.75°...). I don't feel that the relative snapping could be really useful (at least to me), but maybe I'm wrong. And finally, I'd like to ask: is there a real reason for which the guide's origin can't be forced under the cursor whenever you grab the guide? This would let you snap the origin to a particular point simply moving and snapping the guide. Is it useful moving the guide and having the origin move accordingly? I can say that for what I use Inkscape I never need this, but maybe under different circumstances someone could. That's why I ask. If not, would it be difficoult to implement? And in any case, if you move the guide by hand you cannot place its origin precisely and you could obtain the same result snapping the guide and then sliding the origin through it; if you don't need to snap the guide you coudl directly place the origin where desired (and maybe having it under the cursor makes the whole more intuitive). Thanks for your work.
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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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Ah, and the hint is "Shift+drag to rotate" also when you are over the origin, so this does not completely solve the original problem :)
Luca
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM, LucaDC wrote:
> Ah, and the hint is "Shift+drag to rotate" also when you are over the origin, > so this does not completely solve the original problem :) What do we use the origin mark for, btw? Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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It should give evidence to where the rotation center is.
If you don't rotate guides, then you don't need it being displayed (so it could be displayed only when you hover on the guide with shift pressed...). Luca
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:29 PM, LucaDC wrote:
> > It should give evidence to where the rotation center is. So let's sum it up :) Every guide has a guide origin mark, which roughly indicates placement of the point around which a guide can be rotated. Unlike other UI elements it does not serve as *precise* indicator which means that you do not really know how to use rotating on canvas until you read docs. Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Diederik van Lierop
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On 06/23/2009 03:38 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
> Every guide has a guide origin mark, which roughly indicates placement > of the point around which a guide can be rotated. What gives you the impression that it's imprecise? True, it's not a crosshair so it might not _look_ that accurate, but it really is accurate to the last decimal as far as I know. If not then that should be fixed obviously. > Unlike other UI > elements it does not serve as *precise* indicator which means that you > do not really know how to use rotating on canvas until you read docs. > I think I'm missing the point here: how does being imprecise affect the discoverability? Diederik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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Personally I had some difficoulties too in understanding how to manage guides when the little circle first appeared, but I don't see anything wrong in having to read the documentation to understand how to use well a program. Of course it's better if you can avoid it but I think that when (not standard) modifiers are involved either you try all the combinations (and it's not always straightforward, this is one case) or you read some docs.
Then the problem moves on the completeness and clarity of the documentation... About the precision: the little circle doesn't give you the feeling of being able to place it where you really want (now that you have a big arrowed cross over it, on Windows, it's even worse!): only snapping does. That's why I asked for (un)changing the cursor over guides and fixing/restyling the snapping. Thanks. Luca
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM, LucaDC wrote:
> Personally I had some difficoulties too in understanding how to manage guides > when the little circle first appeared, Luckily thanks to changes by bulia this doesn't seem to be a problem anymore :) Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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