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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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Great work!
> In particular, I dropped "Drag to move" because it seemed > to me that users would expect this intuitively. Other suggestions? I agree. > 3) IMHO it would be nice if the kind of guide movement could change > interactively when pressing/releasing a modifier while dragging a > guide. I think that this could be confusing. Anyway, if you think it would be useful... > 4) LucaDC said he felt that the new cursor which appeared when > dragging a guide conveyed a feeling of imprecision, so I changed it > back to the original arrow-shaped cursor. Thanks a lot. :) > For rotation, however, I > still use the new cursor. Is everyone happy with that? I am. The problem was grabbing the guide: after the operation has started you don't need precision in the cursor anymore as you look at the object you are moving, not at the cursor, I think (at least I do so). > 6) As mentioned above, guides are now deleted by pressing Del when > hovering over them. Is this sufficient or should we implement a second > shortcut similar to the original one (like Alt+Ctrl+click)? I won't add more shortcuts: then you have do document them, add a message on the status bar and so on... > Thanks for any comments! > Regards, > Max Thanks to you. Just let me add a couple of things: - delete doesn't work for me (Windows) while dragging the guide (actually, I don't think it's important); - we spoke about showing the origin only when needed, so while dragging, rotating its guide or sliding through it; is this difficoult to implement? - there's still no snapping while moving the origin throug the guide. (ok, I know they are three... :) Luca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Tavmjong Bah
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Hi Max, > > Is it possible to prevent the guide line from being moved when double > > clicking on it (i.e. when opening the guide-line dialog)? The movement > > make the "Relative change" option rather pointless as well as messing up > > carefully set x and y values. > > Sorry, but I cannot reproduce the problem. When I manually set the > position of a guide (e.g., via the guidelines dialog itself) and then > double click on it, I always get the same coordinates back when the > dialog opens. Can you give precise steps how to see the problem? Hmmm, a little investigation shows that the problem only happens when I am using the mouse with my Wacom tablet. If I use the laptop track pad and buttons, the guide lines don't move. Tav ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Diederik van Lierop
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On 07/17/2009 12:39 PM, Vladimir Savic wrote:
> I might be too late, You're never too late, as Max already said! > example, here is what "Inkscape keyboard and mouse reference" says, > Thanks for pointing me at this document, I didn't know it existed! > *Ctrl+Alt+mouse drag - move along handles* > This restricts movement to the directions of the node's handles, their > continuations and perpendiculars (total 8 snaps). > > Ignoring rotation part, Ctrl+Alt will, with this modification, still > move handle point along (guide) line. > But when looking at the selector tool, the rectangle tool, the star tool, the ellipse tool, and probably other tools too, you'll notice that there ctrl is used for constraining, so I'd prefer just ctrl, instead of ctrl-alt. On the other hand, it currently doesn't matter whether you use ctrl or ctrl+alt because Inkscape only looks for the ctrl key. Diederik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Diederik van Lierop
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On 07/16/2009 05:31 PM, Maximilian Albert wrote:
> 3) IMHO it would be nice if the kind of guide movement could change > interactively when pressing/releasing a modifier while dragging a > guide. Yes, I agree that that would be nice. However I don't have a clue what's going on in that bug you mentioned. One little quirk I noticed when dragging the origin with ctrl: If you press shift too then the pointer changes to rotation, but you cannot actually rotate. Diederik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Diederik van Lierop
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On 07/17/2009 06:16 PM, LucaDC wrote:
> - we spoke about showing the origin only when needed, so while dragging, > rotating its guide or sliding through it; is this difficoult to implement? > If we want to snap objects to the origin of the guide then the origin should probably be visible at all time. Do we want to snap to guide origins? > - there's still no snapping while moving the origin throug the guide. Works for me! (but please remind that snapping guides to grids has not been implemented yet). Can you give me a bit more details, e.g. what snapping options have been enabled and what the steps are to reproduce this behavior? Diederik ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Maximilian Albert-2
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2009/7/18 Tavmjong Bah <tavmjong@...>:
> > > Is it possible to prevent the guide line from being moved when double > > > clicking on it (i.e. when opening the guide-line dialog)? The movement > > > make the "Relative change" option rather pointless as well as messing up > > > carefully set x and y values. > > > > Sorry, but I cannot reproduce the problem. When I manually set the > > position of a guide (e.g., via the guidelines dialog itself) and then > > double click on it, I always get the same coordinates back when the > > dialog opens. Can you give precise steps how to see the problem? > > Hmmm, a little investigation shows that the problem only happens when I > am using the mouse with my Wacom tablet. If I use the laptop track pad > and buttons, the guide lines don't move. That's odd, but unfortunately I cannot help with this because I don't own a tablet. Did this behaviour already occur before my recent changes? What happens, exactly? Does the guide already move after the first of the two clicks or only after the second? By what amount, on average? Do you inadvertently move the cursor between the two clicks and are the two distances related, e.g., is the guide movement larger if the second click happens further away from the first one? Max ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM, LucaDC wrote:
>> 6) As mentioned above, guides are now deleted by pressing Del when >> hovering over them. Is this sufficient or should we implement a second >> shortcut similar to the original one (like Alt+Ctrl+click)? > I won't add more shortcuts: then you have do document them, add a message on > the status bar and so on... Well, I've grown to love Ctrl+Click, but I won't bitch about this change even if deleting guides is longer now :) Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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On 07/17/2009 06:16 PM, LucaDC wrote: >If we want to snap objects to the origin of the guide then the origin >should probably be visible at all time. Do we want to snap to guide >origins? My opinon is that I won't snap on guides origins: a guide is a guide and shouldn't have "preferences" over its points. If you want to snap to a particular point you can use two guides and snap to the intersection. Also, I prefer not seeing all those little circles on the drawing: when there are a lot of guides I find them visually disturbing and sometimes I drag them out of view to clean things up. >> - there's still no snapping while moving the origin throug the guide. >Works for me! (but please remind that snapping guides to grids has not >been implemented yet). Can you give me a bit more details, e.g. what >snapping options have been enabled and what the steps are to reproduce >this behavior? I simply expect the origin to snap wherever the guide snaps when dragging it in 2D. Now this doesn't happen for me in WXP. E.g.: - draw a rectangle; - add a guide and snap it to a corner (e.g. bottom-left); - rotate the guide so it snaps to the opposite corner (e.g. top-right); - drag the center on the guide to snap it on the opposite corner (top-right): it doesn't. Luca ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by LucaDC
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Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > Well, I've grown to love Ctrl+Click, but I won't bitch about this > change even if deleting guides is longer now :) Yes, deleting guides is longer now, indeed: I always ctrl-click first, then remember it doesn't work anymore and finally press delete... :) I hope I'll get used as quickly as I learned ctrl-click. One drawback of del is that if you have an object selected, you hover on a guide to delete it but slightly move the mouse just before pressing del, you delete the object. It's so difficoult to highlight a guide being the selection margin so narrow! Maybe a way to click-select the guide to delete (so the guide remains selected also after you move the mouse away from it) would simplify the operation. And you could also select many guides (with shift) and delete them all together with a single "del". In fact, there is still the (old) problem of deleting many guides (non all guides!): let me suggest something like a "guide rubber", i.e. something like a selection rectangle that kills every guide it intersects or a particular "fat" cursor that annihilates all guides it's clicked on. Ah, and click-selecting guides could also allow copy-paste to generate a new guide starting from an existing one, which is useful when you have strange-angled guides. And you could move a "guide set" to a different point... Sorry, too many things! Luca |
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Re: rotating guides
by ~suv-2
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On 20/7/09 12:00, LucaDC wrote:
> Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: >> Well, I've grown to love Ctrl+Click, but I won't bitch about this >> change even if deleting guides is longer now :) > > Yes, deleting guides is longer now, indeed: I always ctrl-click first, then > remember it doesn't work anymore and finally press delete... :) > I hope I'll get used as quickly as I learned ctrl-click. > > One drawback of del is that if you have an object selected, you hover on a > guide to delete it but slightly move the mouse just before pressing del, you > delete the object. It's so difficoult to highlight a guide being the > selection margin so narrow! While I never really appreciated the new way to delete a guide (I have to reach across the keyboard (laptop) for the <Backspace> key, whereas <Ctrl> is in reach of the resting left hand) now I long for the previous behavior! Many times I accidentally have removed a selected object instead of the to-be-deleted guide - without noticing first, so that I was forced to go through the undo list to discover how far I needed to go back to retrieve the lost object. > Maybe a way to click-select the guide to delete (so the guide remains > selected also after you move the mouse away from it) would simplify the > operation. It would not simplify the operation but give the user the necessary feedback which object will be deleted with <DEL>. The color-changing of hovering indicator is too easily overlooked when the mouse cursor is slightly moved before the delete command. For me this seems increasingly like a regression the more often I work with the new (and otherwise fantastically improved!) guides features. > And you could also select many guides (with shift) and delete them all > together with a single "del". seconded. ~suv p.s. as an interim workaround to delete them all there's the extension 'Remove Guides' at <http://screencasters.heathenx.org/blog/2009/06/09/inkscape-extension-remove-guides/> - maybe a candidate to be included in 0.47? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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2009/9/29 Krzysztof Kosiński wrote:
> I don't think making guides selectable is a good idea, because barring > any ugly hacks we can only select SPObjects. I'm sorry for being so arrogant, but there is a huge difference between developer's and user's point of view. What you are saying basically boils down to "I don't think this is a good idea, because I don't know how to implement it nicely". Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by bulia byak
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On 9/29/09, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...> wrote:
> I'm sorry for being so arrogant, but there is a huge difference > between developer's and user's point of view. What you are saying > basically boils down to "I don't think this is a good idea, because I > don't know how to implement it nicely". You are unfair. Krzysztof spoke about "ugly hack", not difficulty in implementation. And ugly hacks are bad not only for developers, but above all, for users. They break consistency of the UI, breed confusion and uncertainty, and lead to further unnatural hacks and usage practices. For example, in this case, if we make guides selectable, this will open a whole can of worms - people will complain that the guides cannot be painted by clicking on a color swatch, cannot be aligned with Align dialog, cannot be grouped etc. etc. A lot of things that are natural for objects make little sense for guides, but by allowing to select them we hint that they are "sort of" objects. The amount of special-casing that this will require in the code and, more importantly, in user documentation and user habits and practices is rather frightening. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:03 PM, bulia byak wrote:
> usage practices. For example, in this case, if we make guides > selectable, this will open a whole can of worms - people will complain > that the guides cannot be painted by clicking on a color swatch, > cannot be aligned with Align dialog, cannot be grouped etc. etc. Ahem. Distributing guides via align'n'distribute dialog actually makes a perfect sense. And if you take a time to play with Scribus 1.3.5, you'll notice how handy it is to select a guide and then align objects to it in various ways. Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Alexandre Prokoudine
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
>> usage practices. For example, in this case, if we make guides >> selectable, this will open a whole can of worms - people will complain >> that the guides cannot be painted by clicking on a color swatch, >> cannot be aligned with Align dialog, cannot be grouped etc. etc. > > Ahem. Distributing guides via align'n'distribute dialog actually makes > a perfect sense. And if you take a time to play with Scribus 1.3.5, > you'll notice how handy it is to select a guide and then align objects > to it in various ways. And I bet that giving visible names to guides a-la FontForge is out of question too? :) Alexandre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by bulia byak
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On 9/29/09, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...> wrote:
> Ahem. Distributing guides via align'n'distribute dialog actually makes > a perfect sense. Not quite, because it will work for horizontal/vertical only, not slanted, and because it has so much stuff that is irrelevant to guides and is therefore quite confusing. Also, I think no one would want to create a bunch of guides and then distribute them. What we need instead is an addition to guide creation dialog, saying "Create N multiple guides spaced by X px". -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by bulia byak
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On 9/29/09, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...> wrote:
> And I bet that giving visible names to guides a-la FontForge is out of > question too? :) Why not, a name is a sensible thing to give to a guide. -- bulia byak Inkscape. Draw Freely. http://www.inkscape.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by Krzysztof Kosiński
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2009/9/29 bulia byak <buliabyak@...>:
> For example, in this case, if we make guides > selectable, this will open a whole can of worms - people will complain > that the guides cannot be painted by clicking on a color swatch, > cannot be aligned with Align dialog, cannot be grouped etc. etc. A lot > of things that are natural for objects make little sense for guides, > but by allowing to select them we hint that they are "sort of" > objects. The amount of special-casing that this will require in the > code and, more importantly, in user documentation and user habits and > practices is rather frightening. Yes, this is more or less what I thought too but did not write in the comment :) We MIGHT avert opening this can of worms if we create a grids & guides tool (or more generically a drawing helpers tool) that lets one create and select guides, rename them, distribute, etc. Alignment to objects would be best done by snapping. This would prevent the confusion between the concepts of object selection and guide selection, in much the same way there is no confusion between the concept of node and object selection in the node tool. Another possilibity is to make guidelines SPObjects that are hidden when exporting, and not rendered by any other SVG viewers because they use the "inkscape" XML namespace, or are actually stored in some special toplevel element (after all this is why we have the SPObject/XML::Node separation). This is moderately problematic (for example guides do not have a bounding box) but might work. Regards, Krzysztof ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by john cliff-2
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I did quite want to align some to the page the other day and hadnt
realised we couldnt do it. Was designing my wedding invite and wanted to make sure where it was (just created a vertical line and used that instead) Some more options for creating them in places like that might be useful, but are probably doable as an extension very easily. Cheers John 2009/9/29 bulia byak <buliabyak@...>: > On 9/29/09, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@...> wrote: >> Ahem. Distributing guides via align'n'distribute dialog actually makes >> a perfect sense. > > Not quite, because it will work for horizontal/vertical only, not > slanted, and because it has so much stuff that is irrelevant to guides > and is therefore quite confusing. Also, I think no one would want to > create a bunch of guides and then distribute them. What we need > instead is an addition to guide creation dialog, saying "Create N > multiple guides spaced by X px". > > -- > bulia byak > Inkscape. Draw Freely. > http://www.inkscape.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > _______________________________________________ > Inkscape-devel mailing list > Inkscape-devel@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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Re: rotating guides
by ~suv-2
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On 29/9/09 22:01, john cliff wrote:
> I did quite want to align some to the page the other day and hadnt > realised we couldnt do it. Was designing my wedding invite and wanted > to make sure where it was (just created a vertical line and used that > instead) > Some more options for creating them in places like that might be > useful, but are probably doable as an extension very easily. already in 0.47pre: 'Edit > Guides around Page' and 'Extensions > Render > Guides Creator...' and for updated versions of the extension (for 0.46 and 0.46+devel) visit <http://code.google.com/p/inkscape-guides-creator/> ~suv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf _______________________________________________ Inkscape-devel mailing list Inkscape-devel@... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-devel |
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