searchable list archives?

[Luis Villa-3]

Hey, all-
Are there searchable archives of this list somewhere? mail-archive.com
seems to have some, but they stop in 2004; google seems not to like
the ezmlm archives.

Thanks-
Luis

[Matthew Flaschen]

Luis Villa wrote:
> Hey, all-
> Are there searchable archives of this list somewhere? mail-archive.com
> seems to have some, but they stop in 2004; google seems not to like
> the ezmlm archives.

There are lots of options.  Try Russ Nelson's official archive on crynwr
(e.g.
http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:13026:200707:codkppjdlghfnnpecnja).
 Another option is Nabble
(http://www.nabble.com/searchable-list-archives--tf4068559.html) which
has built-in search.

Matt Flaschen

[Luis Villa-3]

On 7/12/07, Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen@...> wrote:
> Luis Villa wrote:
> > Hey, all-
> > Are there searchable archives of this list somewhere? mail-archive.com
> > seems to have some, but they stop in 2004; google seems not to like
> > the ezmlm archives.
>
> There are lots of options.  Try Russ Nelson's official archive on crynwr
> (e.g.
> http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:13026:200707:codkppjdlghfnnpecnja).

Not searchable that I could see.

>  Another option is Nabble
> (http://www.nabble.com/searchable-list-archives--tf4068559.html) which
> has built-in search.

Ah-ah- great, thanks. Would be nice if these were linked to from opensource.org.
Luis

[Matthew Flaschen]

Luis Villa wrote:

> On 7/12/07, Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen@...> wrote:
>> Luis Villa wrote:
>> > Hey, all-
>> > Are there searchable archives of this list somewhere? mail-archive.com
>> > seems to have some, but they stop in 2004; google seems not to like
>> > the ezmlm archives.
>>
>> There are lots of options.  Try Russ Nelson's official archive on crynwr
>> (e.g.
>> http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:13026:200707:codkppjdlghfnnpecnja).
>>
>
> Not searchable that I could see.

You can search it through Google Site Search (site:crynwr.com
license-discuss luis) but the indexing probably isn't complete.

Matt Flaschen

[Danese Cooper]

Russ does searches for me sometimes.  Luis, is there something  
specific you're looking for?

Also, how can we make this better for you (you may have noticed we've  
recently re-vamped our website, and are still adding services /  
features.

Danese

On Jul 12, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:

> Luis Villa wrote:
>> On 7/12/07, Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen@...> wrote:
>>> Luis Villa wrote:
>>>> Hey, all-
>>>> Are there searchable archives of this list somewhere? mail-
>>>> archive.com
>>>> seems to have some, but they stop in 2004; google seems not to like
>>>> the ezmlm archives.
>>>
>>> There are lots of options.  Try Russ Nelson's official archive on  
>>> crynwr
>>> (e.g.
>>> http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss: 
>>> 13026:200707:codkppjdlghfnnpecnja).
>>>
>>
>> Not searchable that I could see.
>
> You can search it through Google Site Search (site:crynwr.com
> license-discuss luis) but the indexing probably isn't complete.
>
> Matt Flaschen

[Luis Villa-3]

On 7/12/07, Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen@...> wrote:

> Luis Villa wrote:
> > On 7/12/07, Matthew Flaschen <matthew.flaschen@...> wrote:
> >> Luis Villa wrote:
> >> > Hey, all-
> >> > Are there searchable archives of this list somewhere? mail-archive.com
> >> > seems to have some, but they stop in 2004; google seems not to like
> >> > the ezmlm archives.
> >>
> >> There are lots of options.  Try Russ Nelson's official archive on crynwr
> >> (e.g.
> >> http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:13026:200707:codkppjdlghfnnpecnja).
> >>
> >
> > Not searchable that I could see.
>
> You can search it through Google Site Search (site:crynwr.com
> license-discuss luis) but the indexing probably isn't complete.

Returned zero results on every string I tried here. I'm not *that*
much of a newb not to try that first ;)

Luis

[Matthew Flaschen]

Luis Villa wrote:
>> You can search it through Google Site Search (site:crynwr.com
>> license-discuss luis) but the indexing probably isn't complete.
>
> Returned zero results on every string I tried here. I'm not *that*
> much of a newb not to try that first ;)

It will give results for some strings.  But I agree, the indexing is poor.

Matt Flaschen

[Luis Villa-3]

On 7/12/07, Danese Cooper <danese@...> wrote:
> Russ does searches for me sometimes.  Luis, is there something
> specific you're looking for?

Nothing specific; wanted to get a bit of the sense of the progress of
the web attribution discussion over time.

> Also, how can we make this better for you (you may have noticed we've
> recently re-vamped our website, and are still adding services /
> features.

Two things jump out offhand:
* I know mailman isn't a huge usability improvement over ezmlm, but it
is a big enough improvement that I'd strongly suggest using it.
* site searches of opensource.org should return results from the
mailing lists; that probably means moving them off crynwyr and onto
opensource.org.

Luis

[Chuck Swiger]

On Jul 12, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Luis Villa wrote:
> Two things jump out offhand:
> * I know mailman isn't a huge usability improvement over ezmlm, but it
> is a big enough improvement that I'd strongly suggest using it.

I would certainly second this recommendation.

We'd discussed this before in part because there was a period where  
list subscription requests were being forged and causing posters to  
receive strange bounces from Amazon.com or elsewhere (around Jan 24,  
2007).  And, of course, Mailman has good list archive handling which  
improves searching & so forth....

> * site searches of opensource.org should return results from the
> mailing lists; that probably means moving them off crynwyr and onto
> opensource.org.

Agreed.  That's really up to Russ Nelson, though....

--
-Chuck

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Chuck Swiger <chuck@...>
> Date: January 24, 2007 4:24:16 PM PST
> To: <lrosen@...>
> Cc: "'License Discuss'" <license-discuss@...>
> Subject: [META] Mailing list issues, was: delite me from your  
> mailing list
>
> On Jan 24, 2007, at 3:32 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
>> This whole experience concerns me on multiple levels. Why should  
>> we allow
>> people (other than me and my friends, of course) ever to post  
>> repeated spam
>> messages through some automatic script that they negligently invoke?
>
> Are you volunteering your time to moderate postings to this list?  
> Switching to a moderated list would result in near-perfect removal  
> of spam and excessive unsubscribe requests being posted to all  
> members....
>
>> And why should it be so easy for malicious people (Matthew  
>> Flaschen explicitly
>> excepted) to unsubscribe third parties from this list?
>
> It's not.
>
> When a mailing list program receives an unsubscribe request, it  
> sends an email containing a "magic cookie" in the message in the  
> Subject header, email body, and/or as part of an URL to the  
> subscribed email address.  Only if the recipient replies to the  
> message preserving the cookie, or clicks on the unsubscribe link,  
> does that person actually become unsubscribed.
>
>> Can't someone find a more sophisticated subscription and posting  
>> mechanism than this email list?
>
> EZMLM is mildly dated in terms of mailing list functionality,  
> although people who like qmail find it integrates well with EZMLM.
>
> I am of the opinion that Mailman, www.list.org, would be a  
> significantly better solution as it by default ensures that an  
> unsubscribe link appears in the footer of all list messages, has  
> somewhat more secure handling of subscribe and unsubscribe cookies  
> (I don't believe it is as vulnerable to forged subscription  
> requests as EZMLM is), and it is smart enough to identify admin  
> traffic like people sending an unsubscribe request to the list  
> itself and hold it for moderator/list-admin action, rather than  
> just blindly spamming everybody on the list with noise.
>
> Mailman also supports an option for enabling temporary list  
> moderation, so that a list which is under attack from spam,  
> flamewars, or subscribe/unsubscribe issues can be filtered and  
> moderated until things settle down, and then revert to unmoderated  
> behavior once things quiet down.
>
> Of course, this is up to Russ Nelson as <postmaster@...>...
>
> --
> -Chuck

[Russ Nelson]

On Jul 12, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Luis Villa wrote:

 > * site searches of opensource.org should return results from the
 > mailing lists; that probably means moving them off crynwyr and onto
 > opensource.org.

What's wrong with gmane?
    http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.licenses.open-source.general

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[Luis Villa-3]

On 7/12/07, Russ Nelson <nelson@...> wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Luis Villa wrote:
>
>  > * site searches of opensource.org should return results from the
>  > mailing lists; that probably means moving them off crynwyr and onto
>  > opensource.org.
>
> What's wrong with gmane?
>     http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.licenses.open-source.general

Well, again, like Nabble it isn't linked to from opensource.org, so it
is hard to find. It would be great if the archive links here:

http://www.opensource.org/node/159

pointed to nabble, gmane, or both.

Less urgently, results at gmane, nabble and crynwyr don't show up in
sitewide searches. Results from the opensource.org mailing lists
should show up when I search 'foo site:opensource.org' in google or
(ideally) when I use the search tool on opensource.org itself.

Luis

[Forrest J. Cavalier III]

> Less urgently, results at gmane, nabble and crynwyr don't show up in
> sitewide searches. Results from the opensource.org mailing lists
> should show up when I search 'foo site:opensource.org' in google or
> (ideally) when I use the search tool on opensource.org itself.

I disagree.

I expect that finding mailing list results would be noise
for most searches.  Why?  The signal to noise ratio on the list is
not the same as the signal to noise ratio on an authored web page.

On a related note, I sure wish I knew how to get google to exclude
blogs and mailing lists for some searches.

[Matthew Flaschen]

Forrest J. Cavalier III wrote:

>
>> Less urgently, results at gmane, nabble and crynwyr don't show up in
>> sitewide searches. Results from the opensource.org mailing lists
>> should show up when I search 'foo site:opensource.org' in google or
>> (ideally) when I use the search tool on opensource.org itself.
>
> I disagree.
>
> I expect that finding mailing list results would be noise
> for most searches.  Why?  The signal to noise ratio on the list is
> not the same as the signal to noise ratio on an authored web page.

Then they can be on a lists.opensource.org subdomain.  People that want
just the official site can use site:www.opensource.org, for lists
site:lists.opensource.org, and for everything site:opensource.org .

Matt Flaschen