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by John Mikes :: Rate this Message:

Dear Bruno, thanks for the prompt reply, I wait for your further explanations.

You inserted a remark after quoting from my post:

> If you advance in our epistemic cognitive inventory to a bit better
> level (say: to where we are now?) you will add (consider) relations
> (unlimited) to the names of 'things' and the increased notion will
> exactly match the 'total' (what A was missing from the 'sum'). It
> will also introduce some uncertainty into the concept (values?) of a
> set.

I am not sure that I understand.

Let me try to elaborate on that: What I had in mind was my 'interrelated totality' view.

As you find it natural that 3 (!!!) and 4 (!!!!) make 34 - if written without a space in between - representing a quite different meaning - (not 7 as would be plainly decipherable: 3+4),

so all elements of a set carry relations to uncountable items in the unlimited totality (even if you try to restrict the applicability into the identified { } set. Nothing is excluded from the a/effects (relations) of the rest of the world. No singularity or nivana IN OUR WORLD

Your 2+2=4 includes a library of conditions, axioms, relations, clarifiers, just as e.g. the equation 4-2=2 includes the notion "NOT in ancient Rome" (where it would have been '3')

So I referred to the tacitly included 'relations' (I use this word for all kinds of knowables in connection with potential effects of other items) implied in your technical stenography.

Since the relationally interesting items are unlimited, there is no way WE (in our present, limited mind) could exclude uncertainty FOR 'ANY' THING. Sets included. Occamisation of a set does not make it rigorous, just neglects additional uncertainty.

Have a good weekend

John

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