some of us never use bayes

LW> At that point Bayes should kick in.  Now you get to the hard part.
LW> You need to watch Bayes like a hawk for a few weeks to make sure you

I have always had them turned off
use_auto_whitelist 0
use_bayes 0
and seem to be doing fine.
A couple spams slip through each day out of 100.

The key to comfort is when reviewing the spam directory to see if we
accidentally caught a friend's mail, be sure to view it in order of
increasing spam score. http://jidanni.org/comp/spam/spamdealer.html