symposium thought

[Sam Pluta]

hey all,

i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past  
weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me  
most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's  
work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else -  
with people doing everything from live coding to installations to  
interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a  
sign that we are on to something as a group.

thanks for that,
i had a great time,

sam

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[James Harkins-2]

+1  -- I really appreciated seeing the hugely divergent ways we are using this fantastic tool.

In response to Andrea's question about notes on the symposium: I've started on something here:

http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words/

hjh

On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Sam Pluta wrote:

hey all,

i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing everything from live coding to installations to interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a sign that we are on to something as a group.

: H. James Harkins

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: http://www.dewdrop-world.net

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"Come said the Muse,

Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,

Sing me the universal."  -- Whitman

[loriend]

A comment here as you've turned them off there:

I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just
yesterday and thought to myself what a wonderful thing the Low Level
Virtual Machine project (http://llvm.org) with it's optimisers and JIT
compilers could be for  both sclang and scsynth. No need for C code
these days :)


cheers,
Lorien

James Harkins wrote:

> +1  -- I really appreciated seeing the hugely divergent ways we are
> using this fantastic tool.
>
> In response to Andrea's question about notes on the symposium: I've
> started on something here:
>
> http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words/
>
> hjh
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Sam Pluta wrote:
>
>> hey all,
>>
>> i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past
>> weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me
>> most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's
>> work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else -
>> with people doing everything from live coding to installations to
>> interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a
>> sign that we are on to something as a group.
>
>
> : H. James Harkins
> : jamshark70@... <mailto:jamshark70@...>
> : http://www.dewdrop-world.net
> .::!:.:.......:.::........:..!.::.::...:..:...:.:.:.:..:
>
> "Come said the Muse,
> Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
> Sing me the universal."  -- Whitman
>

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[Click Nilson]

On this note, many thanks to Sam for his help in Manhattan, and to  
Ron and the Wesleyan team for all their hard work for the symposium  
itself!

On 14 Apr 2009, at 06:34, Sam Pluta wrote:

> hey all,
>
> i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past  
> weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me  
> most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's  
> work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else -  
> with people doing everything from live coding to installations to  
> interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a  
> sign that we are on to something as a group.
>
> thanks for that,
> i had a great time,
>
> sam
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[Dan Stowell]

Sam you're right, there was an astonishing lack of deja-vu in the
conference sessions - the diversity was great. Props to everyone for
all the fascinating topics, and thanks to everyone who organised and
helped run stuff.

Dan


2009/4/14, Sam Pluta <spluta@...>:

> hey all,
>
>  i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past weekend.
> i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about this
> gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was.  nothing
> presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing everything
> from live coding to installations to interface driven performance to live
> manipulation -  and this is a sign that we are on to something as a group.
>
>  thanks for that,
>  i had a great time,
>
>  sam
>
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[Scott Wilson-3]

As I've said before to some of you, I think one of the most wonderful  
things about the symposium is it's not about a particular style. If  
anything, it's about a mindset (to which SC is appealing).

S.

On 14 Apr 2009, at 19:41, Dan Stowell wrote:

> Sam you're right, there was an astonishing lack of deja-vu in the
> conference sessions - the diversity was great. Props to everyone for
> all the fascinating topics, and thanks to everyone who organised and
> helped run stuff.
>
> Dan
>
>
> 2009/4/14, Sam Pluta <spluta@...>:
>> hey all,
>>
>> i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past  
>> weekend.
>> i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about  
>> this
>> gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was.  nothing
>> presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing  
>> everything
>> from live coding to installations to interface driven performance  
>> to live
>> manipulation -  and this is a sign that we are on to something as a  
>> group.
>>
>> thanks for that,
>> i had a great time,
>>
>> sam
>>
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>> www.sampluta.com
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2009/4/14, Scott Wilson <s.d.wilson.1@...>:

> As I've said before to some of you, I think one of the most wonderful things
> about the symposium is it's not about a particular style. If anything, it's
> about a mindset (to which SC is appealing).
>
>  S.
>
>
>  On 14 Apr 2009, at 19:41, Dan Stowell wrote:
>
>
> > Sam you're right, there was an astonishing lack of deja-vu in the
> > conference sessions - the diversity was great. Props to everyone for
> > all the fascinating topics, and thanks to everyone who organised and
> > helped run stuff.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > 2009/4/14, Sam Pluta <spluta@...>:
> >
> > > hey all,
> > >
> > > i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past
> weekend.
> > > i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about this
> > > gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was.  nothing
> > > presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing
> everything
> > > from live coding to installations to interface driven performance to
> live
> > > manipulation -  and this is a sign that we are on to something as a
> group.
> > >
> > > thanks for that,
> > > i had a great time,
> > >
> > > sam
> > >
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[andrea valle-3]

(Thanks James)

Lorien, humble question: really cannot understand a word, but curious....

-a-

On 14 Apr 2009, at 15:47, Lorien Dunn wrote:

A comment here as you've turned them off there:

I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just yesterday and thought to myself what a wonderful thing the Low Level Virtual Machine project (http://llvm.org) with it's optimisers and JIT compilers could be for  both sclang and scsynth. No need for C code these days :)

cheers,

Lorien

James Harkins wrote:

+1  -- I really appreciated seeing the hugely divergent ways we are using this fantastic tool.

In response to Andrea's question about notes on the symposium: I've started on something here:

http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words/

hjh

On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Sam Pluta wrote:

hey all,

i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing everything from live coding to installations to interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a sign that we are on to something as a group.

: H. James Harkins

: jamshark70@... <jamshark70@...>

: http://www.dewdrop-world.net

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(Jeffrey 'The Dude' Lebowski)

[loriend]

OK,
    LLVM is a C++ library that could be linked with sclang and scsynth
that would provide highly optimised just in time compiled native code.
It's getting used in "nextgen" scripting languages like the rubinius
ruby vm (google it if interested).

    In sclang what would have to happen is either

    1)the current bytecode would have to be translated into llvm
bytecode inside sclang before passing it over to the llvm compilation
process.
    2)the sclang virtual machine could be ditched entirely and sclang
code compiled directly to LLVM bytecode, before being handed over to the
llvm compilation process.

    either way would result in a very big speed boost for sclang.

    For scsynth:

       How'd you like to write unit generators in sclang? They could
probably be made to run faster than those written in C++: instead of
each unit generator being optimised by a C++ compiler in isolation, all
the graphs on scsynth could be just in time compiled and optimised as
one whole program.  You could do the single sample stuff without
anything like the compilation/link/load into process latency mentioned
as the killer in that keynote (that alas I didn't see being in Melbourne).

    It would also speed up block based ugen graphs, but who knows how
much by.


    For both scsynth and sclang it would take quite a bit of work, but
the results could be spectacular I think.


Lorien



Andrea Valle wrote:

> (Thanks James)
>
> Lorien, humble question: really cannot understand a word, but curious....
>
> -a-
>
>
> On 14 Apr 2009, at 15:47, Lorien Dunn wrote:
>
>> A comment here as you've turned them off there:
>>
>> I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just
>> yesterday and thought to myself what a wonderful thing the Low Level
>> Virtual Machine project (http://llvm.org) with it's optimisers and
>> JIT compilers could be for  both sclang and scsynth. No need for C
>> code these days :)
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Lorien
>>
>> James Harkins wrote:
>>> +1  -- I really appreciated seeing the hugely divergent ways we are
>>> using this fantastic tool.
>>>
>>> In response to Andrea's question about notes on the symposium: I've
>>> started on something here:
>>>
>>> http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words/
>>>
>>> hjh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Sam Pluta wrote:
>>>
>>>> hey all,
>>>>
>>>> i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past
>>>> weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me
>>>> most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's
>>>> work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else -
>>>> with people doing everything from live coding to installations to
>>>> interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a
>>>> sign that we are on to something as a group.
>>>
>>>
>>> : H. James Harkins
>>> : jamshark70@... <mailto:jamshark70@...>
>>> : http://www.dewdrop-world.net
>>> .::!:.:.......:.::........:..!.::.::...:..:...:.:.:.:..:
>>>
>>> "Come said the Muse,
>>> Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
>>> Sing me the universal."  -- Whitman
>>>
>>
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[andrea valle-3]

Thanks, I grasped the concept

Best

-a-

On 15 Apr 2009, at 10:32, Lorien Dunn wrote:

OK,

   LLVM is a C++ library that could be linked with sclang and scsynth that would provide highly optimised just in time compiled native code. It's getting used in "nextgen" scripting languages like the rubinius ruby vm (google it if interested).

   In sclang what would have to happen is either

   1)the current bytecode would have to be translated into llvm bytecode inside sclang before passing it over to the llvm compilation process.

   2)the sclang virtual machine could be ditched entirely and sclang code compiled directly to LLVM bytecode, before being handed over to the llvm compilation process.

   either way would result in a very big speed boost for sclang.

   For scsynth:

      How'd you like to write unit generators in sclang? They could probably be made to run faster than those written in C++: instead of each unit generator being optimised by a C++ compiler in isolation, all the graphs on scsynth could be just in time compiled and optimised as one whole program.  You could do the single sample stuff without anything like the compilation/link/load into process latency mentioned as the killer in that keynote (that alas I didn't see being in Melbourne).

   It would also speed up block based ugen graphs, but who knows how much by.

   For both scsynth and sclang it would take quite a bit of work, but the results could be spectacular I think.

Lorien

Andrea Valle wrote:

(Thanks James)

Lorien, humble question: really cannot understand a word, but curious....

-a-

On 14 Apr 2009, at 15:47, Lorien Dunn wrote:

A comment here as you've turned them off there:

I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just yesterday and thought to myself what a wonderful thing the Low Level Virtual Machine project (http://llvm.org) with it's optimisers and JIT compilers could be for  both sclang and scsynth. No need for C code these days :)

cheers,

Lorien

James Harkins wrote:

+1  -- I really appreciated seeing the hugely divergent ways we are using this fantastic tool.

In response to Andrea's question about notes on the symposium: I've started on something here:

http://www.dewdrop-world.net/words/

hjh

On Apr 14, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Sam Pluta wrote:

hey all,

i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing everything from live coding to installations to interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a sign that we are on to something as a group.

: H. James Harkins

: jamshark70@... <jamshark70@...>

: http://www.dewdrop-world.net

.::!:.:.......:.::........:..!.::.::...:..:...:.:.:.:..:

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Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,

Sing me the universal."  -- Whitman

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[james mccartney]

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Lorien Dunn <loriendunn@...> wrote:
> A comment here as you've turned them off there:
>
> I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just yesterday
> and thought to myself what a wonderful thing the Low Level Virtual Machine
> project (http://llvm.org) with it's optimisers and JIT compilers could be
> for  both sclang and scsynth. No need for C code these days :)

I mentioned LLVM in the keynote.

>
>
> cheers,
> Lorien

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[loriend]

James McCartney wrote:
>
> I mentioned LLVM in the keynote.
>
>  
I wish I could have been there. Something else I've pondered but
rejected as being in the too hard basket is JIT compiling synth graphs
to GPU and/or multicore CPU, I got the beginnings of it going with
RapidMind (http://www.rapidmind.net/) and had a (host side ruby
scripted) interpolating oscillator running on an nvidia card and
outputting via jack before realising just how much coding I'd set myself
up to be doing instead of music making.

Thanks very much for opening the SC code James, I'd been rejecting
supercollider for years and would be deep inside implementing a similar
language if it had remained proprietary.

Lorien

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[Anton Hörnquist-2]

Hi,

Which CMJ issue has an article on single sample SC? Thanks

/Anton

On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Lorien Dunn <loriendunn@...> wrote:
> I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just yesterday
> [...]

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[loriend]

McCartney, James.
Computer Music Journal, Volume 26, Number 4, Winter 2002, pp. 61-68


Anton Hörnquist wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Which CMJ issue has an article on single sample SC? Thanks
>
> /Anton
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Lorien Dunn <loriendunn@...> wrote:
>  
>> I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just yesterday
>> [...]
>>    
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[miguel.negrao]

James McCartney escreveu:

> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Lorien Dunn <loriendunn@...> wrote:
>> A comment here as you've turned them off there:
>>
>> I read about the single sample SC in computer music journal just yesterday
>> and thought to myself what a wonderful thing the Low Level Virtual Machine
>> project (http://llvm.org) with it's optimisers and JIT compilers could be
>> for  both sclang and scsynth. No need for C code these days :)
>
> I mentioned LLVM in the keynote.
>
>>
>> cheers,
>> Lorien
>

A video of this keynote, anyone ?

--
Miguel Negrão // ZLB
http://www.friendlyvirus.org/artists/zlb/

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[rags música]

I wish I could have gone. Next year in Berlin!

R

2009/4/14 Sam Pluta <spluta@...>

hey all,

i just wanted to write a quick note about the symposium this past weekend.  i said this to a couple of people, but what impressed me most about this gathering was how wonderfully different everyone's work was.  nothing presented was at all similar to anything else - with people doing everything from live coding to installations to interface driven performance to live manipulation -  and this is a sign that we are on to something as a group.

thanks for that,
i had a great time,

sam

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