take KOffice out of Kde?

On Friday 05 October 2007 18:51, Jaroslaw Staniek wrote:

> I also guess that the reason why people propose marketing KOffice outside
> of KDE is that KDE is still perceived just as a desktop, not as 1) a
> platform providing set of development technologies, 2) a culture of its own
> kind. But fortunately there's large coordiated work to improve this
> situation for KDE 4.

Well, that is about to change.  One of the really big differences between KDE4
and KDE 3.x is that KDE4 is portable.  This isn't so important for the
desktop itself, since not many people are likely to switch from the windows
desktop to the KDE desktop but windows platform.  For applications it is very
important.

As a result, much of the marketing message for KDE4 has been and will be even
more to position it as a platform for development and not just a desktop.
KOffice will of course be a part of that: An application suite based on the
KDE4 platform, but runnable on all major operating systems and their
desktops.

The good news is that we won't have to do this ourselves.  Since all the power
of the KDE marketing team is behind it, there will be lots of articles,
blogs, and other things that tell this story.  When KOffice 2.0 is out, we
can just jump on this bandwagon (how's that for a piece of marketing
BS? :-) ) and ride the wave of adaption of KDE applications.

That's of course not to say that we won't do our own marketing.  I have just
received the news that I will be allowed to speak for appr. an hour about
KOffice at the KDE4 release event.  I'll be sure to get a powerful message
out there about the future of KOffice!

        -Inge

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On Friday 05 October 2007 14:40, Terry wrote:

> Yes, user awareness matters.  I was surprised to discover how many apps
> come under KOffice.  If you want the logo designed with Krita, someone
> has to be using it and it's necessary to reach that someone with a
> request for a logo.  tuxmachines lets subscribers write blogs.  I
> thought I could start writing about KOffice, the coming 2.0 version,
> plans for user support, the need for a website designer and a graphics
> designer, anything at all.  raiden's realm is another site which
> supports Kde and I could pay it a visit.

Please do.  Everybody who helps spread information about KOffice and that it's
on the right track helps us.  Not only will it mean more users, but in the
long run also more developers.

> Those are my first thoughts.  Until a few days ago I thought KOffice 2.0
> was still a long way off and I was thinking of having to continue with
> OO for another 12 months or so.  I was trying to work up enthusiasm to
> re-write my Calc scripts in Python to ease the eventual transfer.  That
> was not an inviting prospect.  Creating a small test file for KSpread
> scripts now seems like a viable step to take and I'd much rather do that
> than re-write scripts for Calc.  I'd much rather be working on KOffice
> (which looks like the future) than OO (which looks awful as past,
> present or future).

Hehe, this is the underlaying message that we try to convey. :-)

Seriously, if you want to work on KOffice, you're more than welcome. (I won't
write any more about that, since I'm starting to repeat myself.  What do
these calc scripts do?

        -Inge


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[Terry-67]

Inge Wallin wrote:

> On Friday 05 October 2007 14:40, Terry wrote:
>
> <snip>
>  
>> Those are my first thoughts.  Until a few days ago I thought KOffice 2.0
>> was still a long way off and I was thinking of having to continue with
>> OO for another 12 months or so.  I was trying to work up enthusiasm to
>> re-write my Calc scripts in Python to ease the eventual transfer.  That
>> was not an inviting prospect.  Creating a small test file for KSpread
>> scripts now seems like a viable step to take and I'd much rather do that
>> than re-write scripts for Calc.  I'd much rather be working on KOffice
>> (which looks like the future) than OO (which looks awful as past,
>> present or future).
>>    
>
> Hehe, this is the underlaying message that we try to convey. :-)
>
> Seriously, if you want to work on KOffice, you're more than welcome. (I won't
> write any more about that, since I'm starting to repeat myself.  What do
> these calc scripts do?
>
> -Inge

Programming is out of the question.  I'm limited to user support and
some dogsbody work.  Anything more would require far more than I have to
give.

I have a number of scripts that perform functions which were on tap in
Lotus 123 - such as pasting formulas to results, navigating to the first
cell (the first cell of the document not the sheet) and that type of
thing.  The main scripts I have though are to maintain stock market
watch lists and portfolios.  I download csv files containing data
pertaining to a list of stocks then use my scripting to extract the data
and enter it to the relevant tables for each stock.  Each Friday weekly
tables are written from the daily data.  I select the menu command
Tables >Update Data, confirm 'yes' and within about 30 seconds the job
is done.  That's my idea of updating spreadsheets.  Adding new stocks to
files is done by script as are transactions.

I could have done more but I was not interested in getting that involved
with StarBasic, considering that its use is limited to Open Office.  
KSpread's use of Python holds much more appeal.  I gather that it's
easier to use now with OO but there are still hoops to jump through.

Perhaps the scripting support in 2.0.0 will not go far enough.  That's
fine.  I still want to help if I can in building some competition.

Who's going to listen to a talk that lasts a whole hour?  (Rhetorical
question.)

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On Sunday 07 October 2007, Terry wrote:

> I have a number of scripts that perform functions which were on tap in
> Lotus 123 - such as pasting formulas to results, navigating to the first
> cell (the first cell of the document not the sheet) and that type of
> thing.  The main scripts I have though are to maintain stock market
> watch lists and portfolios.  I download csv files containing data
> pertaining to a list of stocks then use my scripting to extract the data
> and enter it to the relevant tables for each stock.  Each Friday weekly
> tables are written from the daily data.  I select the menu command
> Tables >Update Data, confirm 'yes' and within about 30 seconds the job
> is done.  That's my idea of updating spreadsheets.  Adding new stocks to
> files is done by script as are transactions.
>
> I could have done more but I was not interested in getting that involved
> with StarBasic, considering that its use is limited to Open Office.
> KSpread's use of Python holds much more appeal.  I gather that it's
> easier to use now with OO but there are still hoops to jump through.
>
> Perhaps the scripting support in 2.0.0 will not go far enough.  That's
> fine.  I still want to help if I can in building some competition.

I would be very happy to know which parts exactly do not work yet or need to
be improved. So, if you like to have it done before 2.0.0 is out, please feel
free to mail me whatever details+samples+etc. and I'll try to have it working
since I guess to have real-world use-cases like this one is still the very
best way to focus on the most important things.
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[Terry-67]

Sebastian Sauer wrote:

> On Sunday 07 October 2007, Terry wrote:
>  
>> I have a number of scripts that perform functions which were on tap in
>> Lotus 123 - such as pasting formulas to results, navigating to the first
>> cell (the first cell of the document not the sheet) and that type of
>> thing.  The main scripts I have though are to maintain stock market
>> watch lists and portfolios.  I download csv files containing data
>> pertaining to a list of stocks then use my scripting to extract the data
>> and enter it to the relevant tables for each stock.  Each Friday weekly
>> tables are written from the daily data.  <snip>
>>
>> Perhaps the scripting support in 2.0.0 will not go far enough.  That's
>> fine.  I still want to help if I can in building some competition.
>>    
>
> I would be very happy to know which parts exactly do not work yet or need to
> be improved. So, if you like to have it done before 2.0.0 is out, please feel
> free to mail me whatever details+samples+etc. and I'll try to have it working
> since I guess to have real-world use-cases like this one is still the very
> best way to focus on the most important things.

I will bear the possibility in mind.  I still don't know how I found
time to write my present scripts.  I'm assuming that KSpread will be
able to open the smaller file.  It was being unable to open the file
that stopped me in my tracks previously.  I understand that problem will
be remedied in 2.0.0.  Knowing now how close that is makes it more of a
priority to convert the scripts.

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[Terry-67]

Thomas Zander wrote:
> <snip>
> I still really want to have a professional graphics designer or such to
> create a new KOffice logo and a new website with our own identity. The
> website is required to be php driven, and contain no flash.
> If you know where to find people that can create a professional looking
> website like this, I'm sure every KOffice contributor would love you :)
Bryan Bell may already be known to you.  One of his icons found its way
somehow into my distro's menus and is being removed because of an
objection by the person who commissioned the work.

Not sure how you're placed but, for what it may be worth, his website is
http://www.bryanbell.com/

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[TerryX]

Bugzilla from [e-mail] wrote:

<snip>

I still really want to have a professional graphics designer or such to
create a new KOffice logo and a new website with our own identity. The
website is required to be php driven, and contain no flash.
If you know where to find people that can create a professional looking
website like this, I'm sure every KOffice contributor would love you :)
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FWIW, a graphics designer has posted in the pclos forum.

[Terry-67]

Thomas Zander wrote:
> <snip>
>
> I still really want to have a professional graphics designer or such to
> create a new KOffice logo and a new website with our own identity. The
> website is required to be php driven, and contain no flash.
> If you know where to find people that can create a professional looking
> website like this, I'm sure every KOffice contributor would love you :)
>  

FWIW, a graphics designer has posted in the pclos forum:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=58&topic=37971.0

I asked him whether he would be interested in designing for a Koffice
site and he seems to indicate that he is - the second and third posts in
the thread.
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[Graham Todd-2]

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:42:50 +1100
Terry <terauck-klist@...> wrote:

> I asked him whether he would be interested in designing for a Koffice
> site and he seems to indicate that he is - the second and third posts
> in the thread.

Having read the thread he appears to be saying that he would be
interested ONLY if its for PCLinuxOS Users????

There's a P.S. to that effect at the bottom of the posting.

But I thought the new logo was to be for a new KOffice site that was
universally available irrespective of what distro you were using...

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Alle giovedì 04 ottobre 2007, Terry ha scritto:
> What about a new name to mark KOffice as a contender for main name
> space?  It is not well known as a drop in the Kde ocean, it seems to
A new name? Why? "KOffice" is simple and give you perfectly the idea of what
it is: a suite office developed for KDE :) . And keep out of KDE itself will
destroy lot of features I think and has not much sense.
> me.  I've been thinking of a simple name which would appeal particularly
> to the Chinese, whose developers have been joining the OO project in
> numbers.  The name I'm thinking would also make sense in the West.
>
> >> A KOffice forum seems to be a good way to build a community of KOffice
> >> users.  KOffice needs to be more noticed to attract more backing.
>
> A forum may be something a group of users could undertake.
A forum can take too much time to the developers. Users can create a forum.
Don't distract my favourites developers :) . I'm waiting KOffice 2 as the
bread :) . I hope to find some time to help them, but in these last months I
found always less time for everything.

Giovanni

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