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[Angela Cymbalak]

I have two "Apache way" questions:

1.  It appears that within the community no one objects to Apache
Blur.  Can I put out a [vote] thread on general@ to the effect of:

We acknowledge that there is some concern over the name
PicaGalley.  After discussions we have decided on the alternative
name Apache Blur.  Please vote you opinion below.  Everyone's vote is
binding for this vote.

[ ] +1 Apache PicaGalley
[ ] +1 Apache Blur
[ ] 0 Don't care
[ ] -1 I don't like either name

The vote is different from all that I have seen due to having two
choices and I think that anyone on the general list should have a say in it.

2.  Right now I have opened a bug within JIRA for Tuscany because of
an issue combining Tuscany and Jackrabbit.  I think that I have
narrowed down that the issue is actually within Jackrabbit.
2a.  Does JIRA allow you to select 2 distinct products when opening a
problem?  I didn't want to try it and then upset someone because of
question 2b.
2b.  If yes to 2a, is it akin to cross posting on the mail lists
(very bad idea) to select both Jackrabbit and Tuscany as the product
in question?  At the moment I am working the issue but I want to keep
JIRA updated correctly.

Thanks for the Apache lesson. :-)

Angie



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[Luciano Resende]

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Angela Cymbalak <a.cymbalak@...> wrote:

> I have two "Apache way" questions:
>
> 1.  It appears that within the community no one objects to Apache Blur.  Can
> I put out a [vote] thread on general@ to the effect of:
>
> We acknowledge that there is some concern over the name PicaGalley.  After
> discussions we have decided on the alternative name Apache Blur.  Please
> vote you opinion below.  Everyone's vote is binding for this vote.
>
> [ ] +1 Apache PicaGalley
> [ ] +1 Apache Blur
> [ ] 0 Don't care
> [ ] -1 I don't like either name
>
> The vote is different from all that I have seen due to having two choices
> and I think that anyone on the general list should have a say in it.
>
> 2.  Right now I have opened a bug within JIRA for Tuscany because of an
> issue combining Tuscany and Jackrabbit.  I think that I have narrowed down
> that the issue is actually within Jackrabbit.
> 2a.  Does JIRA allow you to select 2 distinct products when opening a
> problem?  I didn't want to try it and then upset someone because of question
> 2b.
> 2b.  If yes to 2a, is it akin to cross posting on the mail lists (very bad
> idea) to select both Jackrabbit and Tuscany as the product in question?  At
> the moment I am working the issue but I want to keep JIRA updated correctly.

You can create a new Jackrabbit jira, and link them together...
And, BTW, sorry for the delay... I'll see if I can get to your patch today.

>
> Thanks for the Apache lesson. :-)
>
> Angie
>
>
>
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Luciano Resende
Apache Tuscany Committer
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://lresende.blogspot.com/

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[Angela Cymbalak]

>You can create a new Jackrabbit jira, and link them together...
>And, BTW, sorry for the delay... I'll see if I can get to your patch today.

I will figure out how to link them then after I work on it a little
more.  I finished the configuration to be able to debug
Jackrabbit.  Don't worry about the delay.  I felt like I was pawning
off my problem on you which I'm not trying to do.  Jackrabbit appears
to be throwing a not normal (i.e. catchable by a traditional catch
statement) exception that isn't stopping the program but is causing
it to not continue on in the method.  The next take is to figure out
where in the constructor this is happening.  Hopefully I'll be able
to tell you in an hour or so.  This has been fun to try to track
down, in that really weird beat your head against a wall kind of way!

Angie



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[Roland Weber]

Hi Angie,

> I have two "Apache way" questions:
>
> 1.  It appears that within the community no one objects to Apache Blur.  
> Can I put out a [vote] thread on general@ to the effect of:

That is a common misunderstanding, and some projects are or
have been dreaded for their vote-happiness. This is how I
formulated my views when drafting bylaws for a project earlier
this year:

<quote>
Community decisions are consensus driven. The preferred way
to establish consensus is through discussion on the public
mailing lists. To gather additional input from community members,
polls can be run on the same or other mailing lists. Voting on
community decisions should be restricted to cases where it is
necessary or desirable to formally record the consensus
</quote>

The important thing is to find a _consensus_, not to pass
a vote. If there is a consensus, there are only few things
that need a vote. If there is no consensus, passing a vote
doesn't help much...
You pass a vote on a controversial project name now and enter
incubation. On graduation, somebody else will raise the
naming question again when the vote for the TLP proposal
is on. Even if you pass that vote, the TLP proposal is
sent to the board, where yet other people will raise the
question of the project name. And the board certainly won't
care about a vote that passed a year or two earlier. They
will look for a consensus at the time of graduation.

So no, don't even think about calling a vote about the
project name. Send a simple non-vote mail, asking how
people feel about the alternative name. Make sure to
mention that there is a company that has used that name,
and that the respective domain is still online. Personally,
I believe that is a knockout criteria.

(more name suggestions coming up :-)

cheers,
   Roland


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[JAMES Nightly Build System]

Angela Cymbalak wrote:

> We acknowledge that there is some concern over the name
> PicaGalley.

I don't.  :-)  I think that it is a totally unwarranted concern.

> Please vote you opinion below.  Everyone's vote is
> binding for this vote.

[X] +1 Apache PicaGalley

        --- Noel


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