the mentoring program

[Erinn Clark-2]

Hey everyone,

So, we have a bunch of people showing renewed interest in the mentoring
program (http://women.debian.org/mentoring/).

The problem is that the mentors list is extremely out of date. I suspect
there are still plenty of people who would like to mentor and I can
vouch for the fact that we have many pending mentees. Helen and I used
to do this together, but as you can imagine, she is extremely busy with
her (gorgeous) daughter these days.

So here's what I need:

- an updated list of mentors. If you were a mentor in the past, send me
  an email with your areas of specialty. We don't need to make it
  public.

- Someone to help me run it. If you have better ideas about how to run
  it, I am listening. I think sometimes new people are afraid to step in
  and try to take over things, but you don't have to be -- even though
  DW's been around for (omg) 5 years now, there's still plenty of
  opportunity to change things.

- Probably some stuff I'm forgetting.

Erinn


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[Runa Sandvik-3]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Erinn Clark <erinn@...> wrote:
> Hey everyone,

Hey :)

> - Someone to help me run it. If you have better ideas about how to run
>  it, I am listening. I think sometimes new people are afraid to step in
>  and try to take over things, but you don't have to be -- even though
>  DW's been around for (omg) 5 years now, there's still plenty of
>  opportunity to change things.

What does "run it" include? What is required and how is it done at the
moment? :)

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[Lesley Binks]

2009/9/23 Runa Sandvik <runa.sandvik@...>:

> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Erinn Clark <erinn@...> wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>
> Hey :)
>
>> - Someone to help me run it. If you have better ideas about how to run
>>  it, I am listening. I think sometimes new people are afraid to step in
>>  and try to take over things, but you don't have to be -- even though
>>  DW's been around for (omg) 5 years now, there's still plenty of
>>  opportunity to change things.
>
> What does "run it" include? What is required and how is it done at the
> moment? :)

+1 on that - as in I'd like to know too.

Regards

L.


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[Erinn Clark-2]

* Runa Sandvik <runa.sandvik@...> [2009:09:23 19:49 +0200]:

> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Erinn Clark <erinn@...> wrote:
> > Hey everyone,
>
> Hey :)
>
> > - Someone to help me run it. If you have better ideas about how to run
> >  it, I am listening. I think sometimes new people are afraid to step in
> >  and try to take over things, but you don't have to be -- even though
> >  DW's been around for (omg) 5 years now, there's still plenty of
> >  opportunity to change things.
>
> What does "run it" include? What is required and how is it done at the
> moment? :)

Essentially you just have to match up mentors and mentees and keep track
of who's paired up with who. Historically this has all been done via
email with a spreadsheet that Helen and I shared (which I no longer
have). I'm sure there could be some (many?) improvements. :)


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[Lesley Binks]

2009/9/23 Erinn Clark <erinn@...>:

> * Runa Sandvik <runa.sandvik@...> [2009:09:23 19:49 +0200]:
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Erinn Clark <erinn@...> wrote:
>> > Hey everyone,
>>
>> Hey :)
>>
>> > - Someone to help me run it. If you have better ideas about how to run
>> >  it, I am listening. I think sometimes new people are afraid to step in
>> >  and try to take over things, but you don't have to be -- even though
>> >  DW's been around for (omg) 5 years now, there's still plenty of
>> >  opportunity to change things.
>>
>> What does "run it" include? What is required and how is it done at the
>> moment? :)
>
> Essentially you just have to match up mentors and mentees and keep track
> of who's paired up with who. Historically this has all been done via
> email with a spreadsheet that Helen and I shared (which I no longer
> have). I'm sure there could be some (many?) improvements. :)
>

No disrespect - probably okay between two people but tricky when the
work is more distributed.
Ideal db thing perhaps?  I could run something up on postgresql or
MySQL and we could use
some kind of web interface to manage and work on it
Or a google/yahoo/other provider web app?

Regards

L.


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[Runa Sandvik-3]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Lesley Binks
<lesley.binks@...> wrote:
> No disrespect - probably okay between two people but tricky when the
> work is more distributed.
> Ideal db thing perhaps?  I could run something up on postgresql or
> MySQL and we could use
> some kind of web interface to manage and work on it
> Or a google/yahoo/other provider web app?

We could just use the wiki? A list of people waiting for a mentor, and
the ones who already have one (this sounds like the NM queue).

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[Elizabeth Krumbach]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Erinn Clark <erinn@...> wrote:
>  If you have better ideas about how to run
>  it, I am listening.

I gave a talk at my local LUG on Monday about increasing involvement
in F/OSS (across the board, not just women), and in response one of
the folks on the list posted this:

"Mentoring in Open Source Communities: What Works? What Doesn't?"
http://www.itworld.com/open-source/78271/mentoring-open-source-communities-what-works-what-doesnt

Looks like some of this can be helpful and it was just published 3
days ago, what timing! :)

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[Serafeim Zanikolas]

[this is really a shameless plug, but here goes]

I'd like to draw the attention of mentors to wnpp-by-tags as the place to
point aspiring packagers that don't know where to start. wnpp-by-tags helps
one to match their interests/skills in terms of debtag facets. For instance,
one that's interested in working on a python package is better off looking up

http://members.hellug.gr/serzan/wnpp/implemented-in/python.html

than manually going through the official list of WNPP bugs.

I hope some people find it useful -- I certainly did in my latest two package
adoptions.

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[Ana Guerrero-3]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11:48PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote:

> [this is really a shameless plug, but here goes]
>
> I'd like to draw the attention of mentors to wnpp-by-tags as the place to
> point aspiring packagers that don't know where to start. wnpp-by-tags helps
> one to match their interests/skills in terms of debtag facets. For instance,
> one that's interested in working on a python package is better off looking up
>
> http://members.hellug.gr/serzan/wnpp/implemented-in/python.html
>
> than manually going through the official list of WNPP bugs.
>

It would be nice combine that with:
http://wnpp.debian.net/

Ana


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[Serafeim Zanikolas]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:22:16PM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:11:48PM +0200, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote:
> > [this is really a shameless plug, but here goes]
> > I'd like to draw the attention of mentors to wnpp-by-tags as the place to
[..]
>
> It would be nice combine that with:
> http://wnpp.debian.net/

I thought so too but I kind of gave up after a dozen of emails of trying to
convince the wnpp.d.n people :-/

(I'll refrain from going into the details here as it's off topic)

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[Lesley Binks]

2009/9/23 Runa Sandvik <runa.sandvik@...>:

> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Lesley Binks
> <lesley.binks@...> wrote:
>> No disrespect - probably okay between two people but tricky when the
>> work is more distributed.
>> Ideal db thing perhaps?  I could run something up on postgresql or
>> MySQL and we could use
>> some kind of web interface to manage and work on it
>> Or a google/yahoo/other provider web app?
>
> We could just use the wiki? A list of people waiting for a mentor, and
> the ones who already have one (this sounds like the NM queue).
>
> --

Whatever really works :)
It does look like the NM queue tbh which obviously already manages  a
good data size.
I don't know how much work that takes or how well automated it is
e.g.. have person x who wants to help,  possibly on (a) particular
package(s) or any package in a particular activity (e.g. music, LaTeX
) or using particular languages, is known to A,B,C, has skills  L,K,M,
has certain required/desired skills
        how well is that info matched up to packages or activities
needed particular skill sets ...
        and the people who are prepared to mentor them
I have no idea how previous and existing processes manage this problem.

The main aim should be to make sure that packages needing help get
packaged?  So if you are willing to help you might not go directly
where you have a full skill set or interest but you'll get some
experience like packaging, teamwork etc.

Regards

Lesley


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[Serafeim Zanikolas]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 09:36:15AM +0100, Lesley Binks wrote [edited]:
> I don't know how much work that takes or how well automated it is
> e.g.. have person x who wants to help,  possibly on (a) particular
> package(s) or any package in a particular activity (e.g. music, LaTeX
> ) or using particular languages, is known to A,B,C, has skills  L,K,M,
> has certain required/desired skills
>         how well is that info matched up to packages or activities
> needed particular skill sets ...
>         and the people who are prepared to mentor them

This sounds very similar to a wnpp-by-tags extension I have listed in my NM
application TODO.

The existing wnpp-by-tags allows one to find wnpp bugs using the debtags of the
package a bug belongs to. The idea is to further (semi)auto-annotate bugs with
new facets such as

- skill::{packaging,l10n,i18n,organisation,design,web,coding,..}
- time-commitment::{hours,days,weeks,months,long-term}

and of course reuse official relevant debtags, eg. implemented-in::* when
skill::coding applies.

Mentors would express their interests in terms of debtags (or perhaps with a
'mentor' usertag in the bts for specific bugs). Mentees would query for
mentor-tagged WNPP bugs that satisfy their skills and interests.

Not sure whether it sounds like overkill, but I think it'd be good to couple
the mentoring scheme with real needs as they're reflected in the BTS.

Comments?

Cheers,
Serafeim

wnpp-by-tags src: http://github.com/sez/wnpp-by-tags

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