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by SHANNON WILLIAMS :: Rate this Message:

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I resent having to register for some program to open a document that I need to access NOW. I did register, and still CANNOT open the document....what the hell are you? What right do you have to force me to use your program?


     

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by Matthew McGowen :: Rate this Message:

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What exactly is your problem? What type of file are you trying to open?
Also, sorry to be preachy, you had to register but you didn't have to  
pay, so don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
-Matt
On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:27 PM, SHANNON WILLIAMS wrote:

> I resent having to register for some program to open a document that  
> I need to access NOW. I did register, and still CANNOT open the  
> document....what the hell are you? What right do you have to force  
> me to use your program?
>
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by sj_clement :: Rate this Message:

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What type of document are you trying to open?

------Original Message------
From: Matthew McGowen
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Subject: Re: [discuss] this
Sent: Oct 14, 2009 15:40

What exactly is your problem? What type of file are you trying to open?
Also, sorry to be preachy, you had to register but you didn't have to  
pay, so don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
-Matt
On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:27 PM, SHANNON WILLIAMS wrote:

> I resent having to register for some program to open a document that  
> I need to access NOW. I did register, and still CANNOT open the  
> document....what the hell are you? What right do you have to force  
> me to use your program?
>
>


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by mike scott-2 :: Rate this Message:

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sj_clement@... wrote:
> What type of document are you trying to open?

I do believe the OP isn't subscribed to the list, so won't have seen
either reply.

I'm puzzled by the original query anyway - you /don't/ have to register
to use OOo, and it's hardly "us" "forcing" him to use the program.

(also not cc'd to OP; his manners have rather put me off helping him,
assuming it's not just a poor troll anyway.)


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by sj_clement :: Rate this Message:

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Too bad.  How's he get posted here?

Why doesn't he use the help screens?  They nailed me out a lot.

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From: Mike Scott
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Subject: Re: [discuss] this
Sent: Oct 14, 2009 16:11

sj_clement@... wrote:
> What type of document are you trying to open?

I do believe the OP isn't subscribed to the list, so won't have seen
either reply.

I'm puzzled by the original query anyway - you /don't/ have to register
to use OOo, and it's hardly "us" "forcing" him to use the program.

(also not cc'd to OP; his manners have rather put me off helping him,
assuming it's not just a poor troll anyway.)


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by databpro :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,
As an OOo user and register user, it sadden me to read such language from
someone when the program is free and it is such an excellent program.
Ron Norsworthy

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Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [discuss] this

Too bad.  How's he get posted here?

Why doesn't he use the help screens?  They nailed me out a lot.

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From: Mike Scott
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Subject: Re: [discuss] this
Sent: Oct 14, 2009 16:11

sj_clement@... wrote:
> What type of document are you trying to open?

I do believe the OP isn't subscribed to the list, so won't have seen
either reply.

I'm puzzled by the original query anyway - you /don't/ have to register
to use OOo, and it's hardly "us" "forcing" him to use the program.

(also not cc'd to OP; his manners have rather put me off helping him,
assuming it's not just a poor troll anyway.)


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by Peter Junge-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

@Matt: To my experience messages like this come up, when a person has
been 'buying' OOo from a dubious source.

@SHANNON WILLIAMS: How did you get your copy of OpenOffice? It's free
software and *nobody* is forced to use it.

Best regards,
Peter

Matthew McGowen wrote:

> What exactly is your problem? What type of file are you trying to open?
> Also, sorry to be preachy, you had to register but you didn't have to
> pay, so don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
> -Matt
> On Oct 13, 2009, at 10:27 PM, SHANNON WILLIAMS wrote:
>
>> I resent having to register for some program to open a document that I
>> need to access NOW. I did register, and still CANNOT open the
>> document....what the hell are you? What right do you have to force me
>> to use your program?
>>
>>
>
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by Michael Adams-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:48 -0700 (PDT)
Came this utterance formulated by SHANNON WILLIAMS to my mailbox:

> I resent having to register for some program...

OpenOffice.org is a program that you do not "have" to register for.
There is an option during the first run of the program that says "I do
not want to register". Selecting this option will not stop the program
from running.

> ...to open a document that I need to access NOW.

Evident frustration is showing through here.

1. What type of document are you trying to open?
2. What methods have you tried?
3. Can you run OpenOffice.org OK?

> I did register, and still CANNOT open the document...

More frustration; again, registration does not affect your ability to
open documents.

> what the hell are you?

You have contacted a list of thousands of OpenOffice.org users. Many of
them give up their free time to help other users to operate the program
better and solve problems with it.

> What right do you have to force me to use your program?

We are Borg and we will assimilate you. No seriously, who is holding
your arm up your back? Do you know how to operate a computer or are you
a recent convert to computers that has been misled into believing they
are easy to use, and are trying to use it with no training?

Your post does not descend into outright abuse but the tone will make
many, that can help you, ignore you. Worse, you may get flamed.
Thousands of happy users abusing you through your email mailbox is not
what you want. And the evidence is forever burned onto the internet on
several different public servers now that you started it.

Take a few deep breaths, and reply answering the questions i pose above
and we may actually help you with your problem.

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All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
be well

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by Paul Douglas Franklin of Yakima UGM :: Rate this Message:

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I would add, we will help you if 1) we can and 2) you indeed ask politely.

Michael Adams wrote:
> Take a few deep breaths, and reply answering the questions i pose above
> and we may actually help you with your problem.
>
>  

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by Tony Pursell :: Rate this Message:

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Hi all

'SHANNON WILLIAMS' is not subscribed to the list, so unless you
include 'her' personal email adddress, 'she' will not see any comments.

My worry is that it may be a spam attempt to harvest email addresses,
or something even worse.

I have tried to create an anonymous persona to reply to 'her' but when
I tested my attempts to do this, they all got caught by Google Mail's
spam filters, so the chances are that 'she' would not see them either.  

Tony


On 15 Oct 2009 at 20:41, Michael Adams wrote:

>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:48 -0700 (PDT)
> Came this utterance formulated by SHANNON WILLIAMS to my mailbox:
>
> > I resent having to register for some program...
>
> OpenOffice.org is a program that you do not "have" to register for.
> There is an option during the first run of the program that says "I do
> not want to register". Selecting this option will not stop the program
> from running.
>
> > ...to open a document that I need to access NOW.
>
> Evident frustration is showing through here.
>
> 1. What type of document are you trying to open?
> 2. What methods have you tried?
> 3. Can you run OpenOffice.org OK?
>
> > I did register, and still CANNOT open the document...
>
> More frustration; again, registration does not affect your ability to
> open documents.
>
> > what the hell are you?
>
> You have contacted a list of thousands of OpenOffice.org users. Many of
> them give up their free time to help other users to operate the program
> better and solve problems with it.
>
> > What right do you have to force me to use your program?
>
> We are Borg and we will assimilate you. No seriously, who is holding
> your arm up your back? Do you know how to operate a computer or are you
> a recent convert to computers that has been misled into believing they
> are easy to use, and are trying to use it with no training?
>
> Your post does not descend into outright abuse but the tone will make
> many, that can help you, ignore you. Worse, you may get flamed.
> Thousands of happy users abusing you through your email mailbox is not
> what you want. And the evidence is forever burned onto the internet on
> several different public servers now that you started it.
>
> Take a few deep breaths, and reply answering the questions i pose above
> and we may actually help you with your problem.
>
> --
> Michael
>
> All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
> be well
>
>  - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416
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by Peter Junge-2 :: Rate this Message:

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In this case I would think we can stop discussing $SUBJECT. ;-)

Tony Pursell wrote:

> Hi all
>
> 'SHANNON WILLIAMS' is not subscribed to the list, so unless you
> include 'her' personal email adddress, 'she' will not see any comments.
>
> My worry is that it may be a spam attempt to harvest email addresses,
> or something even worse.
>
> I have tried to create an anonymous persona to reply to 'her' but when
> I tested my attempts to do this, they all got caught by Google Mail's
> spam filters, so the chances are that 'she' would not see them either.  
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 15 Oct 2009 at 20:41, Michael Adams wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:27:48 -0700 (PDT)
>> Came this utterance formulated by SHANNON WILLIAMS to my mailbox:
>>
>>> I resent having to register for some program...
>> OpenOffice.org is a program that you do not "have" to register for.
>> There is an option during the first run of the program that says "I do
>> not want to register". Selecting this option will not stop the program
>> from running.
>>
>>> ...to open a document that I need to access NOW.
>> Evident frustration is showing through here.
>>
>> 1. What type of document are you trying to open?
>> 2. What methods have you tried?
>> 3. Can you run OpenOffice.org OK?
>>
>>> I did register, and still CANNOT open the document...
>> More frustration; again, registration does not affect your ability to
>> open documents.
>>
>>> what the hell are you?
>> You have contacted a list of thousands of OpenOffice.org users. Many of
>> them give up their free time to help other users to operate the program
>> better and solve problems with it.
>>
>>> What right do you have to force me to use your program?
>> We are Borg and we will assimilate you. No seriously, who is holding
>> your arm up your back? Do you know how to operate a computer or are you
>> a recent convert to computers that has been misled into believing they
>> are easy to use, and are trying to use it with no training?
>>
>> Your post does not descend into outright abuse but the tone will make
>> many, that can help you, ignore you. Worse, you may get flamed.
>> Thousands of happy users abusing you through your email mailbox is not
>> what you want. And the evidence is forever burned onto the internet on
>> several different public servers now that you started it.
>>
>> Take a few deep breaths, and reply answering the questions i pose above
>> and we may actually help you with your problem.
>>
>> --
>> Michael
>>
>> All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
>> be well
>>
>>  - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416
>>
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------Original Message------
From: Michael Adams
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ReplyTo: discuss@...
Subject: Re: [discuss] this
Sent: Oct 16, 2009 03:23

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:17:31 +0100
Came this utterance formulated by Tony Pursell to my mailbox:

> Hi all
>
> 'SHANNON WILLIAMS' is not subscribed to the list, so unless you
> include 'her' personal email adddress, 'she' will not see any
> comments.
>

As i did. This is common on this list.

> My worry is that it may be a spam attempt to harvest email addresses,
> or something even worse.
>

Many frustrated people post to this list. Their frustration coming
across as anger directed at the program, at the developers of the
program or at the email address they may think is going to a help desk.

> I have tried to create an anonymous persona to reply to 'her' but when
> I tested my attempts to do this, they all got caught by Google Mail's
> spam filters, so the chances are that 'she' would not see them either.
>  

Not necessary, email addresses used on this list can be harvested direct
from the server. Yours is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65024

This list is often mistakenly stumbled upon by those seeking help, or
wanting to vent frustration, and it is not unusual to receive emails of
this type here. Unless you have a specific reason to suspect email
harvesting as a motive, I respectfully suggest you disregard that as the
motive for the original email.

If you are worried about harvesting, then register two email addresses.
Post on one and only ever read using the other. Most email clients allow
you to set the outgoing address on a per folder basis. This allows you
to drop all emails coming in to the posting address. Many ISP's will let
you do this at the server.

--
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be well

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by Michael Adams-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:17:31 +0100
Came this utterance formulated by Tony Pursell to my mailbox:

> Hi all
>
> 'SHANNON WILLIAMS' is not subscribed to the list, so unless you
> include 'her' personal email adddress, 'she' will not see any
> comments.
>

As i did. This is common on this list.

> My worry is that it may be a spam attempt to harvest email addresses,
> or something even worse.
>

Many frustrated people post to this list. Their frustration coming
across as anger directed at the program, at the developers of the
program or at the email address they may think is going to a help desk.

> I have tried to create an anonymous persona to reply to 'her' but when
> I tested my attempts to do this, they all got caught by Google Mail's
> spam filters, so the chances are that 'she' would not see them either.
>  

Not necessary, email addresses used on this list can be harvested direct
from the server. Yours is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65024

This list is often mistakenly stumbled upon by those seeking help, or
wanting to vent frustration, and it is not unusual to receive emails of
this type here. Unless you have a specific reason to suspect email
harvesting as a motive, I respectfully suggest you disregard that as the
motive for the original email.

If you are worried about harvesting, then register two email addresses.
Post on one and only ever read using the other. Most email clients allow
you to set the outgoing address on a per folder basis. This allows you
to drop all emails coming in to the posting address. Many ISP's will let
you do this at the server.

--
Michael

All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
be well

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-----Original Message-----
From: sj_clement@...
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:23:30
To: <discuss@...>
Subject: Re: [discuss] this

------Original Message------
From: Michael Adams
To: discuss@...
ReplyTo: discuss@...
ReplyTo: discuss@...
Subject: Re: [discuss] this
Sent: Oct 16, 2009 03:23

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:17:31 +0100
Came this utterance formulated by Tony Pursell to my mailbox:

> Hi all
>
> 'SHANNON WILLIAMS' is not subscribed to the list, so unless you
> include 'her' personal email adddress, 'she' will not see any
> comments.
>

As i did. This is common on this list.

> My worry is that it may be a spam attempt to harvest email addresses,
> or something even worse.
>

Many frustrated people post to this list. Their frustration coming
across as anger directed at the program, at the developers of the
program or at the email address they may think is going to a help desk.

> I have tried to create an anonymous persona to reply to 'her' but when
> I tested my attempts to do this, they all got caught by Google Mail's
> spam filters, so the chances are that 'she' would not see them either.
>  

Not necessary, email addresses used on this list can be harvested direct
from the server. Yours is here:
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=65024

This list is often mistakenly stumbled upon by those seeking help, or
wanting to vent frustration, and it is not unusual to receive emails of
this type here. Unless you have a specific reason to suspect email
harvesting as a motive, I respectfully suggest you disregard that as the
motive for the original email.

If you are worried about harvesting, then register two email addresses.
Post on one and only ever read using the other. Most email clients allow
you to set the outgoing address on a per folder basis. This allows you
to drop all emails coming in to the posting address. Many ISP's will let
you do this at the server.

--
Michael

All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
be well

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Re: [OT] not this but that

by Michael Adams-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:24:12 +0000
Came this utterance formulated by sj_clement@... to my mailbox:

>
> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>

Why? It didn't seem to add anything of value to the thread???

Me puzzled!


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Re: [OT] not this but that

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Michael Adams wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:24:12 +0000
> Came this utterance formulated by sj_clement@... to my mailbox:
>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>>
>
> Why? It didn't seem to add anything of value to the thread???
>
> Me puzzled!
>
>
I think that is a sig line that the Blackberry software adds on its own
as my daughter's does this as well.  I thinks its a bloated ego thing.
The device, not the user.  <g>


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sj_clement@... wrote:

> ------Original Message------
> From: Michael Adams
> To: discuss@...
> ReplyTo: discuss@...
> ReplyTo: discuss@...
> Subject: Re: [discuss] this
> Sent: Oct 16, 2009 03:23
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:17:31 +0100
> Came this utterance formulated by Tony Pursell to my mailbox:
>
>  
>> Hi all
>>
>> 'SHANNON WILLIAMS' is not subscribed to the list, so unless you
>> include 'her' personal email adddress, 'she' will not see any
>> comments.
>>    
I have a question, if someone is not subscribed to this list so that
they will not see replies to their email, then why is it that their
email is even visible to those reading this list?  And furthermore, what
is the point?  It just seems to me that if they are not subscribed, then
their email simply should not make it through to this list in the first
place.  Am I just dumb that I don't get this?

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Re: why be subscribed (was this)

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:22:48 -0500
Came this utterance formulated by Robert Derman to my mailbox:

> I have a question, if someone is not subscribed to this list so that
> they will not see replies to their email, then why is it that their
> email is even visible to those reading this list?  And furthermore,
> what is the point?  It just seems to me that if they are not
> subscribed, then their email simply should not make it through to this
> list in the first place.  Am I just dumb that I don't get this?
>

Both this list and the user list have been intentionally made as easy to
contact with questions as possible. This is to ease the way for newbies.
Regular contributors on the list know to reply to both the list and the
OP when a non-subscribed email hits the list (in my mail client i have
filtered unsubscribed posts to a seperate sub-folder). In that way we
become a help-desk without flooding the OPs email address with all the
other emails unrelated to their question.

It works, it just takes some getting your head around.

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Re: [OT] not this but that

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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:38:41 -0400
Came this utterance formulated by Gene Young to my mailbox:

> Michael Adams wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:24:12 +0000
> > Came this utterance formulated by sj_clement@... to my mailbox:
> >
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
> >>
> >
> > Why? It didn't seem to add anything of value to the thread???
> >
> > Me puzzled!
> >
> >
> I think that is a sig line that the Blackberry software adds on its
> own as my daughter's does this as well.  I thinks its a bloated ego
> thing. The device, not the user.  <g>
>

I didn't get any text in the email other than this, though. I got this
line above and below the text being replied to but nothing from
sj_clement himself. Unless it was HTML and i couldn't read it? I can't
see anything additional in the message source either.

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Re: [OT] not this but that

by Gene Young :: Rate this Message:

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Michael Adams wrote:
>
> I didn't get any text in the email other than this, though. I got this
> line above and below the text being replied to but nothing from
> sj_clement himself. Unless it was HTML and i couldn't read it? I can't
> see anything additional in the message source either.
>
The original had a number of lines:

The majority of which I have snipped.

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-- Michael All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of
things shall be well - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416
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The relevant items were in the Sig area.  I did a cut and paste and lost
the formating but you get the idea. I don't have a clue why nothing else
showed for you.  Very curious.

Gene Y.

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