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by Stephen Adler :: Rate this Message:

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Hi Guys,

I just upgraded my desktop to fedora 11. The way I set up my system is
with my home directory in a separate partition so that if I want to do
an upgrade by reinstalling fedora, I can then reformat / and /boot
leaving /home directory is untouched.

But now there is ext4. So, should I leave /home as an ext3 file system?
Or should I go through the trouble of backing up /home, reformatting to
ext4 and restoring? Currently / is now ext4.

Thanks. Steve.

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Re: to ext4 or not...

by Jerry Feldman-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On 06/21/2009 02:30 PM, Stephen Adler wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I just upgraded my desktop to fedora 11. The way I set up my system is
> with my home directory in a separate partition so that if I want to do
> an upgrade by reinstalling fedora, I can then reformat / and /boot
> leaving /home directory is untouched.
>
> But now there is ext4. So, should I leave /home as an ext3 file system?
> Or should I go through the trouble of backing up /home, reformatting to
> ext4 and restoring? Currently / is now ext4.
>
>  
No recommendations, but I just did that. When I resized my /home, LVM
made it ext3. I just backed up /home, reformatted to ext4, and restored.
Additionally, I have rsnapshot running as well as my previous backup
script.

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Re: to ext4 or not...

by Stephen Adler :: Rate this Message:

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Do you see any performance improvements at all?



On 06/21/2009 04:21 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

> On 06/21/2009 02:30 PM, Stephen Adler wrote:
>    
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I just upgraded my desktop to fedora 11. The way I set up my system is
>> with my home directory in a separate partition so that if I want to do
>> an upgrade by reinstalling fedora, I can then reformat / and /boot
>> leaving /home directory is untouched.
>>
>> But now there is ext4. So, should I leave /home as an ext3 file system?
>> Or should I go through the trouble of backing up /home, reformatting to
>> ext4 and restoring? Currently / is now ext4.
>>
>>
>>      
> No recommendations, but I just did that. When I resized my /home, LVM
> made it ext3. I just backed up /home, reformatted to ext4, and restored.
> Additionally, I have rsnapshot running as well as my previous backup
> script.
>
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Re: to ext4 or not...

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Stephen Adler wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I just upgraded my desktop to fedora 11. The way I set up my system is
> with my home directory in a separate partition so that if I want to do
> an upgrade by reinstalling fedora, I can then reformat / and /boot
> leaving /home directory is untouched.
>
> But now there is ext4. So, should I leave /home as an ext3 file system?
> Or should I go through the trouble of backing up /home, reformatting to
> ext4 and restoring? Currently / is now ext4.

I would vote for a resounding "No".  If you'll remember, I posted a few
weeks ago how my wife's mail file was getting clobbered and corrupted
after rebuilding my server on Ubuntu Jaunty and using ext4 for my root
partition.  Moving /var/mail to an ext3 partition fixed the problem
completely, and that's all I changed.  Other than setting up a process
to back it up every two hours ;)

I'm really stuck now, though, because there's no way to get my root
partition back to ext3.  Since it's /, it's got /dev and /proc and other
things you can't just tar up.  So I've symlinked some critical things
like /var/mail to other filesystems.
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Re: to ext4 or not...

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On Jun 21, 2009, at 9:05 PM, David Kramer <david@...> wrote:

> Stephen Adler wrote:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I just upgraded my desktop to fedora 11. The way I set up my system  
>> is
>> with my home directory in a separate partition so that if I want to  
>> do
>> an upgrade by reinstalling fedora, I can then reformat / and /boot
>> leaving /home directory is untouched.
>>
>> But now there is ext4. So, should I leave /home as an ext3 file  
>> system?
>> Or should I go through the trouble of backing up /home,  
>> reformatting to
>> ext4 and restoring? Currently / is now ext4.
>
> I would vote for a resounding "No".  If you'll remember, I posted a  
> few
> weeks ago how my wife's mail file was getting clobbered and corrupted
> after rebuilding my server on Ubuntu Jaunty and using ext4 for my root
> partition.

Not all ext4's are created equal. Red Hat has ext4 developers on staff  
who did a bunch of work to shore it up for Fedora 11. Kernel 2.6.29.4  
and later have several key fixes that may not be in Ubuntu's 2.6.28.

--jarod

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Re: to ext4 or not...

by Jerry Feldman-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On 06/21/2009 05:33 PM, Stephen Adler wrote:
> Do you see any performance improvements at all?
>
I have not noticed any, but I'm not doing any performance-related tasks.

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Re: to ext4 or not...

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On 06/21/2009 09:05 PM, David Kramer wrote:
> I'm really stuck now, though, because there's no way to get my root
> partition back to ext3.  Since it's /, it's got /dev and /proc and other
> things you can't just tar up.  So I've symlinked some critical things
> like /var/mail to other filesystems.

I haven't used it in several years, but
http://www.mondorescue.org/
is perfect for putting your / on a new filesystem/RAID/LVM configuration.

It'll build you a bootable cd/dvd that will restore your system in a
configurable way, using the kernel/tools from your system that made the cds.
(and it takes all the /dev and /proc stuff into account).

Matt
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Re: to ext4 or not...

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David Kramer wrote:
> I'm really stuck now, though, because there's no way to get my root
> partition back to ext3.  Since it's /, it's got /dev and /proc and other
> things you can't just tar up.  So I've symlinked some critical things
> like /var/mail to other filesystems.

Reboot your system onto a LiveCD (e.g., SystemRescueCD).  This removes
/dev, /proc, etc. from relevance, and then you can tar up the root FS.

DR
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Re: to ext4 or not...

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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:28 PM, David Rosenstrauch<darose@...> wrote:
> David Kramer wrote:
>> I'm really stuck now, though, because there's no way to get my root
>> partition back to ext3.  Since it's /, it's got /dev and /proc and other
>> things you can't just tar up.  So I've symlinked some critical things
>> like /var/mail to other filesystems.
>
> Reboot your system onto a LiveCD (e.g., SystemRescueCD).  This removes
> /dev, /proc, etc. from relevance, and then you can tar up the root FS.
>


Gnu tar has lots of extra goodies,. such as "--one-file-system", which
tells it not to cross over into other filesystems, such as /proc, /dev, etc.



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by Randy Cole :: Rate this Message:

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I was told that fsck is much faster than on ext3.   This dovetails with the faster boot initiatives.

Randy

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On 06/21/2009 05:33 PM, Stephen Adler wrote:
> Do you see any performance improvements at all?
>
I have not noticed any, but I'm not doing any performance-related tasks.

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