updates on OOMouse

[Louis Suarez-Potts]

The latest from Theo of OOMouse is that he is making the changes in  
his PR copy and site that more accurately reflect the relationship  
between OpenOffice.org and his work.

I'll review these changes shortly, after the US site has woken up and  
finalized them. It's still too early for much of North America for  
nonsleeepless to do work.


Again, I'm not blaming anyone, except myself, for the confusion and  
mistakes produced here. Theo long ago contacted me about his idea of  
the mouse, and I encouraged his work, suggesting he propose an  
Incubator project on it. I do that a lot, to people, groups, who want  
to work with us. And I stand by my encouragement of Theo and of others.

The mistake was in not clarifying to him what he could and could not  
do, and what he could and could not claim, with the relationship  
established once he joined the community. As I mentioned to Florian,  
this is the first such mistake we've seen, and I think it will  
probably be the last.

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I hope that this confusion will not adversely affect judgement on  
Theo's proposal for an Incubator project for OOMouse. I think the  
issues are quite separable. I still consider the idea, though  
initially kind of funky, as having lots of potential, especially in  
the area of accessibility. As I am not a gamer (or at any rate, not a  
good one), I don't see the advantage there. But as I'm more and more  
involved in accessibility issues, I do.

But even if it is not great for any one obvious use, it can also fit  
into the broad category of OOo in portable devices. As you know, OOo  
is carried around in millions (not a mistype) of USB keys, and there  
are at least two groups working on that. After long discussions, John  
Haller's PortableApps joined the project: yay! I think that by joining  
OOo more directly, we can all benefit, as coordination of information,  
as in this case, has its plusses. And I've been encouraging the other  
device maker, which caters more to enterprises, to do the same, and  
for the same reasons. I *want* people and groups to join OOo and work  
with us, and if there are occasional egg-in-your-face goof-ups, I can  
live with that. The benefits outweigh the minuses.

Best,

Louis

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[frank.loehmann]

Hi Louis,

Thank you for clarifying this.

Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
> The latest from Theo of OOMouse is that he is making the changes in
> his PR copy and site that more accurately reflect the relationship
> between OpenOffice.org and his work.
I hope this change also includes the removal of the "[...] The Mouse
team have worked closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User
Experience project to deliver the full benefits of the world's leading
open-source office software to the fingertips of users. [...]" [1]

Liz only had mail contact to Theo and provided him public available
usage data from the User Feedback Program [2], so that he could
configure his mouse on real usage data. So talking about "worked closely
with experts from the OpenOffice.org User Experience project" is
misleading and he never asked for a permission for this quote.

Best regards,

Frank

[1] http://www.openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html]
[2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Tracking_results

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[John McCreesh]

On Mon, November 9, 2009 5:46 pm, Frank Loehmann wrote:

> Hi Louis,
>
> Thank you for clarifying this.
>
> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
>> The latest from Theo of OOMouse is that he is making the changes in
>> his PR copy and site that more accurately reflect the relationship
>> between OpenOffice.org and his work.
> I hope this change also includes the removal of the "[...] The Mouse
> team have worked closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User
> Experience project to deliver the full benefits of the world's leading
> open-source office software to the fingertips of users. [...]" [1]
>
> Liz only had mail contact to Theo and provided him public available
> usage data from the User Feedback Program [2], so that he could
> configure his mouse on real usage data. So talking about "worked closely
> with experts from the OpenOffice.org User Experience project" is
> misleading and he never asked for a permission for this quote.

I hold my hand up for this quote. With hindsight I should have cleared it
with a UX project lead, so my apologies, but from the emails I was cc'd on
I would say it is fair comment.

John


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[luispo]

On 2009-11-09, at 12:46 , Frank Loehmann wrote:

> Hi Louis,
>
> Thank you for clarifying this.
>
> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
>> The latest from Theo of OOMouse is that he is making the changes in  
>> his PR copy and site that more accurately reflect the relationship  
>> between OpenOffice.org and his work.
> I hope this change also includes the removal of the "[...] The Mouse  
> team have worked closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User  
> Experience project to deliver the full benefits of the world's  
> leading open-source office software to the fingertips of users.  
> [...]" [1]

It should certainly.

>
> Liz only had mail contact to Theo and provided him public available  
> usage data from the User Feedback Program [2], so that he could  
> configure his mouse on real usage data. So talking about "worked  
> closely with experts from the OpenOffice.org User Experience  
> project" is misleading and he never asked for a permission for this  
> quote.

I have asked the members of the CC to clarify our--OOo's-- relation to  
oomouse. Theo is free to include OpenOffice.org in the product and  
free to ask for supportive quotes and free to use both (after, I hope,  
submission for review), but not free to make claims that mislead. Nor  
is he free to manipulate our logo and marks as he sees fit.

>
> Best regards,
>
> Frank
>
> [1] http://www.openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html]
> [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Tracking_results

-louis

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> http://ux.openoffice.org
>
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[luispo]

Ciao, Italo,


On 2009-11-09, at 14:22 , Italo Vignoli wrote:

> Louis Suarez-Potts ha scritto:
>
>> I have asked the members of the CC to clarify our--OOo's-- relation  
>> to oomouse. Theo is free to include OpenOffice.org in the product  
>> and free to ask for supportive quotes and free to use both (after,  
>> I hope, submission for review), but not free to make claims that  
>> mislead. Nor is he free to manipulate our logo and marks as he sees  
>> fit.
>
> I have received a number of enquiries from the Italian press, mostly  
> because they have seen the article on Slashdot. To clarify the  
> issue, I have prepared a statement that says that the author was  
> allowed to present at the OOo Conference and prepare a prototype for  
> this purpose, but then has gone beyond this issuing a press release  
> with statements that do not reflect the real situation.
>
> By the way, I have had the mouse in my hand for a few seconds, and I  
> don't think that a "normal" appendix (i.e., the usual five fingers)  
> can handle the rodent efficiently. Also, in order to remember the  
> zillions of theoretical combinations you would need a RAM upgrade,  
> in order to avoid a buffer overflow ;-)

Thanks. I would like for us, first, to be in agreement, and have sent  
the copy to the CC members offlist, for their input, prior to making  
it public. I expect some changes.  Theo of OOMouse (which has to  
change its name) has agree, too, to help out with the statement to the  
press.

The press must be notified and I hope to do that in full agreement  
from the project today. (El Reg got it... sigh). John has stepped out  
but when he returns, shortly, we can talk and I hope come to a swift  
agreement. Again, no one is being blamed for this series of mistakes,  
but for that very reason, I would expect immediate action on the part  
of War Mouse to rectify what I persist in believing are honest mistakes.

>
> Ciao, Italo
>
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louis

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