upgrade to Fiesty

[baza-2]

I want to upgrade to Fiesty, I don't want to do a clean install because
I've installed a fair bit of stuff and I don't want to go through that
again.

So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.

Baz


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[Ted-11]

Kris Marsh wrote:

> On 4/17/07, baz <baza41@...> wrote:
>  
>> So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.
>>
>> Baz
>>    
>
> Hi Baz,
>
> Here is the method I used, around a month ago. I'm sure the upgrade
> will be fine for you, but the usual disclaimers apply. There's always
> that remote possibility that your box doesn't boot back up after
> upgrading.
>
>
> - From Gnome, press <Alt>+<F2>
> - Type the following into the run box:
>       gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
> - Click "Upgrade" in the top right corner of the Update Manager.
> - Wait a minute or so for it to do some magic.
> - Click "Upgrade".
> - Go grab a hot beverage, for me it was a 800MB download, and then
> another 30 mins or so upgrade.
>
>
>
> Do you have to edit the sources.list to point to the new release ?
>  

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[Kris Marsh]

On 4/17/07, baz <baza41@...> wrote:
> So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.
>
> Baz

Hi Baz,

Here is the method I used, around a month ago. I'm sure the upgrade
will be fine for you, but the usual disclaimers apply. There's always
that remote possibility that your box doesn't boot back up after
upgrading.


- From Gnome, press <Alt>+<F2>
- Type the following into the run box:
      gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
- Click "Upgrade" in the top right corner of the Update Manager.
- Wait a minute or so for it to do some magic.
- Click "Upgrade".
- Go grab a hot beverage, for me it was a 800MB download, and then
another 30 mins or so upgrade.



Now before you do this (and I hope you've read to the bottom of the
email before starting ;-)), there is another option. Use the command
line:

dpkg --get-selections > savedprograms

Save this 'savedprograms' file safe - maybe email it to yourself.

On your new install, you can run:

sudo dpkg --set-selections < savedprograms
sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade


This will install all of your previous programs. If you have your home
directory on it's own partition, and can preserve it, then you're left
with a system that is very close to you had previously.



Hope this helps.

Kris

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[Alan Pope-2]

On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 19:10 +0100, baz wrote:
> I want to upgrade to Fiesty, I don't want to do a clean install because
> I've installed a fair bit of stuff and I don't want to go through that
> again.
>
> So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades


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[Robin Stent]

B-3 wrote:

I want to upgrade to Fiesty, I don't want to do a clean install because
I've installed a fair bit of stuff and I don't want to go through that
again.

So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.

Baz

I would expect it to be the same as the Dapper > Edgy upgrade described here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades

(gksu "update-manager -c" )

I upgraded to Edgy using this method wthout problems, however the total amount the upgrade downloaded was around 1GB

Hope this helps

Rob

[Chris Rowson]

> (gksu "update-manager -c" )

Hey.

Can anyone point we towards any documentation for the switches used
after update-manager ? -c -d  etc....

Chris

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[Eamonn Sullivan]

On 4/17/07, Chris Rowson <christopherrowson@...> wrote:
> > (gksu "update-manager -c" )
>
> Hey.
>
> Can anyone point we towards any documentation for the switches used
> after update-manager ? -c -d  etc....

I got this by typing update-manager --help in a terminal:

Usage: update-manager [options]

Options:
  -h, --help            show this help message and exit
  -c, --check-dist-upgrades
                        Check if a new distribution release is available
  -d, --devel-release   Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is
                        possible
  -p, --proposed        Try to run a dist-upgrade
  --dist-upgrade, --dist-ugprade
                        Try to run a dist-upgrade

-Eamonn

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[Eamonn Sullivan]

On 4/17/07, ted <ted@...> wrote:
> > - From Gnome, press <Alt>+<F2>
> > - Type the following into the run box:
> >       gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
[snip]
> Do you have to edit the sources.list to point to the new release ?

No. update-manager does that for you automatically.

-Eamonn

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[Chris Rowson]

> I got this by typing update-manager --help in a terminal:
>
> Usage: update-manager [options]

Thanks Eamonn - I guess I should have thought of that :-P !!

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[TheVeech]

Stating the obvious, I know, but just a word of warning: I've had
updates to a new release fail miserably, so be sure to back up your data
beforehand in case the short cut turns out to be anything but.


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[baza-2]

On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 19:40 +0100, Kris Marsh wrote:

> On 4/17/07, baz <baza41@...> wrote:
> > So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.
> >
> > Baz
>
> Hi Baz,
>
> Here is the method I used, around a month ago. I'm sure the upgrade
> will be fine for you, but the usual disclaimers apply. There's always
> that remote possibility that your box doesn't boot back up after
> upgrading.
>
>
> - From Gnome, press <Alt>+<F2>
> - Type the following into the run box:
>       gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
> - Click "Upgrade" in the top right corner of the Update Manager.
> - Wait a minute or so for it to do some magic.
> - Click "Upgrade".

>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Kris
>

Thanks that seemed to go ok, only lost Nvu, which I've now installed
from their site.

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[Tony Arnold-3]

baz wrote:

> Thanks that seemed to go ok, only lost Nvu, which I've now installed
> from their site.

Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty?

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[Dave Walker-8]

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
>
> baz wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty?
>
> <SNIP>

It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by
upstream."[1]

It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an unofficial
bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't been updated since
2006-07-26.

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065
[2] http://kompozer.net/

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[Tony Arnold-3]

Dave Walker wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
>> baz wrote:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>> Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty?
>>
>> <SNIP>
>
> It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by
> upstream."[1]
>
> It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an unofficial
> bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't been updated since
> 2006-07-26.
>
> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065
> [2] http://kompozer.net/

That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html
editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not WYSIWYG
so far as I can tell.

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Tony.
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[TheVeech]

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:48 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:

>
> Dave Walker wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
> >> baz wrote:
> >>
> >> <SNIP>
> >>
> >> Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty?
> >>
> >> <SNIP>
> >
> > It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by
> > upstream."[1]
> >
> > It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an unofficial
> > bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't been updated since
> > 2006-07-26.
> >
> > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065
> > [2] http://kompozer.net/
>
> That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html
> editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not WYSIWYG
> so far as I can tell.

Screem (http://www.screem.org/) is an excellent editor.  You don't
really need WYSIWYG, since it's easy to check things in your browser.
In fact Screem's that good that I don't know why more people don't
promote it.  Bluefish is okay, but I'd choose Screem every time -
there's nothing to stop you using/trying both.


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[Tony Arnold-3]

TheVeech wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:48 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
>> Dave Walker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
>>>> baz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>> Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty?
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>> It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by
>>> upstream."[1]
>>>
>>> It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an
>>> unofficial bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't
>>> been updated since 2006-07-26.
>>>
>>> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065 [2]
>>> http://kompozer.net/
>> That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html
>>  editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not
>> WYSIWYG so far as I can tell.
>
> Screem (http://www.screem.org/) is an excellent editor.  You don't
> really need WYSIWYG, since it's easy to check things in your browser.
>  In fact Screem's that good that I don't know why more people don't
> promote it.  Bluefish is okay, but I'd choose Screem every time -
> there's nothing to stop you using/trying both.

That appears not to have been touched since 2nd November 2005, at least
according to its project page on sourceforge.

What has always irritated me in some editors is the difficulty of
removing or changing existing tags, and sometimes adding an opening and
closing tag around an existing piece of text. Maybe I've just never
figured it out, but this was dead easy in NVU.

I'll keep playing!

Regards,
Tony.
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[TheVeech]

On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 12:04 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:

>
> TheVeech wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 11:48 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
> >> Dave Walker wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:22 +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
> >>>> baz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> <SNIP>
> >>>>
> >>>> Any idea why NVU is not in the repositories for Feisty?
> >>>>
> >>>> <SNIP>
> >>> It's been dropped from the repositories as it is "Umaintained by
> >>> upstream."[1]
> >>>
> >>> It hasn't been updated since 28-06-2005 however there is an
> >>> unofficial bug-fix release called KompoZer[2], but that hasn't
> >>> been updated since 2006-07-26.
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393065 [2]
> >>> http://kompozer.net/
> >> That's a shame, I liked NVU! I'll have to look for a different html
> >>  editor now. Everyone seems to rave about Bluefish, but it's not
> >> WYSIWYG so far as I can tell.
> >
> > Screem (http://www.screem.org/) is an excellent editor.  You don't
> > really need WYSIWYG, since it's easy to check things in your browser.
> >  In fact Screem's that good that I don't know why more people don't
> > promote it.  Bluefish is okay, but I'd choose Screem every time -
> > there's nothing to stop you using/trying both.
>
> That appears not to have been touched since 2nd November 2005, at least
> according to its project page on sourceforge.
>
> What has always irritated me in some editors is the difficulty of
> removing or changing existing tags, and sometimes adding an opening and
> closing tag around an existing piece of text. Maybe I've just never
> figured it out, but this was dead easy in NVU.
>
> I'll keep playing!

Quality isn't inevitably tied to the frequency of release dates!
Bluefish appears to have been marketed better (they've got a little
icon, anyway), but Screem's more efficient, according to its site.  I
tend to use both Bluefish and Screem, but default to the latter because
I prefer the working environment.  They're both good programs, though,
so it pretty much boils down to horses for courses.

Whatever editor you use, you'll come to depend upon some of its
features.  For any that you find lacking in a new app, you'll just work
around them easily enough I'm sure.  I never tried NVU because I was
under the impression that it was aping Dreamweaver and I was never that
keen on WYSIWYG because you tend to lose some control over your work.
It's a good way to learn at first, though.

Using these editors (Screem/Bluefish), you'll soon get the hang of them,
and you should improve your coding, too.  Be adventurous!  These editors
are a lot easier and more enjoyable to use than they seem at first.

There are other alternatives (some quite twinky), but Bluefish and
Screem are good, solid apps that do the job.  If you do try both (and
I'd recommend this), use them for a while and post your impressions.


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