version mention in a track title

[Frederic Da Vitoria]

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In this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=379884 , 2 tracks mention a version. What is actually printed is this: "Ponto de Macumba" in big 3D font then, in small ordinary font: "(Trad.) Version #". I feel the current MB titles give the impression that "Version #" is part of the title. Shouldn't the MB titles actually be: "Ponto de Macumba (version #)"?

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[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

Hello

In this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=379884 , 2 tracks mention a version. What is actually printed is this: "Ponto de Macumba" in big 3D font then, in small ordinary font: "(Trad.) Version #". I feel the current MB titles give the impression that "Version #" is part of the title. Shouldn't the MB titles actually be: "Ponto de Macumba (version #)"?

BTW, there is an image of the back cover here http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/17825/Trio-Esperanca-Segundo-Trio-Esperanca-CD-Album.html

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[Pavan Chander]

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

 

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

 

Hello

 

In this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=379884 , 2 tracks mention a version. What is actually printed is this: "Ponto de Macumba" in big 3D font then, in small ordinary font: "(Trad.) Version #". I feel the current MB titles give the impression that "Version #" is part of the title. Shouldn't the MB titles actually be: "Ponto de Macumba (version #)"?

 

BTW, there is an image of the back cover here http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/17825/Trio-Esperanca-Segundo-Trio-Esperanca-CD-Album.html

 

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Certainly looks like ETI to me; so yes, it belongs in brackets as per http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Extra_Title_Information_Style

 

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[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2009/3/26 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

 

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

 

Hello

 

In this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=379884 , 2 tracks mention a version. What is actually printed is this: "Ponto de Macumba" in big 3D font then, in small ordinary font: "(Trad.) Version #". I feel the current MB titles give the impression that "Version #" is part of the title. Shouldn't the MB titles actually be: "Ponto de Macumba (version #)"?

 

BTW, there is an image of the back cover here http://www.priceminister.com/offer/buy/17825/Trio-Esperanca-Segundo-Trio-Esperanca-CD-Album.html

 

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Frederic Da Vitoria

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Certainly looks like ETI to me; so yes, it belongs in brackets as per http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Extra_Title_Information_Style

Ah, thanks. I couldn't find where this rule was hidden ;-)

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[Jan van Thiel]

2009/3/26 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>:
>> 2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>
>>> In this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=379884 , 2
>>> tracks mention a version. What is actually printed is this: "Ponto de
>>> Macumba" in big 3D font then, in small ordinary font: "(Trad.) Version #". I
>>> feel the current MB titles give the impression that "Version #" is part of
>>> the title. Shouldn't the MB titles actually be: "Ponto de Macumba (version

<snip>

> Certainly looks like ETI to me; so yes, it belongs in brackets as per
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Extra_Title_Information_Style

<snip>

Yes, I've come across track titles like "Track Title (version)". This
seems to be a similar case.

Jan

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[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2009/3/26 Jan van Thiel <janvanthiel@...>

2009/3/26 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>:

>> 2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

>>> In this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=379884 , 2
>>> tracks mention a version. What is actually printed is this: "Ponto de
>>> Macumba" in big 3D font then, in small ordinary font: "(Trad.) Version #". I
>>> feel the current MB titles give the impression that "Version #" is part of
>>> the title. Shouldn't the MB titles actually be: "Ponto de Macumba (version

<snip>

> Certainly looks like ETI to me; so yes, it belongs in brackets as per
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Extra_Title_Information_Style

<snip>

Yes, I've come across track titles like "Track Title (version)". This
seems to be a similar case.

Ok. Now a little harder, IMO:

http://musicbrainz.org/release/6af6cc90-9bbe-4093-9155-8d2ef8aaa4ff.html for a few songs translated/adapted from other languages gives the original title. On the track listing, the font of the original translation is the same as the Brazilian title, only parentheses separate the original from the Brazilian. Still, I believe this falls under ExtraTitleInformationStyle. But this style says lower case should be used. OTOH, the original titles are Titles and as such should use upper case initials. So who "wins"? Should I enter "Uma bela história (La bohème)" or "Uma bela história (la bohème)"?

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[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

2009/3/26 Jan van Thiel <janvanthiel@...>

2009/3/26 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>:

>> 2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

>>> In this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=379884 , 2
>>> tracks mention a version. What is actually printed is this: "Ponto de
>>> Macumba" in big 3D font then, in small ordinary font: "(Trad.) Version #". I
>>> feel the current MB titles give the impression that "Version #" is part of
>>> the title. Shouldn't the MB titles actually be: "Ponto de Macumba (version

<snip>

> Certainly looks like ETI to me; so yes, it belongs in brackets as per
> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Extra_Title_Information_Style

<snip>

Yes, I've come across track titles like "Track Title (version)". This
seems to be a similar case.

Ok. Now a little harder, IMO:

http://musicbrainz.org/release/6af6cc90-9bbe-4093-9155-8d2ef8aaa4ff.html for a few songs translated/adapted from other languages gives the original title. On the track listing, the font of the original translation is the same as the Brazilian title, only parentheses separate the original from the Brazilian. Still, I believe this falls under ExtraTitleInformationStyle. But this style says lower case should be used. OTOH, the original titles are Titles and as such should use upper case initials. So who "wins"? Should I enter "Uma bela história (La bohème)" or "Uma bela história (la bohème)"?

... and while we're at it, should it be "Watashi (Sapporo 76)" or "Watashi (sapporo 76)"?

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[Pavan Chander]

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

Ok. Now a little harder, IMO:

http://musicbrainz.org/release/6af6cc90-9bbe-4093-9155-8d2ef8aaa4ff.html for a few songs translated/adapted from other languages gives the original title. On the track listing, the font of the original translation is the same as the Brazilian title, only parentheses separate the original from the Brazilian. Still, I believe this falls under ExtraTitleInformationStyle. But this style says lower case should be used. OTOH, the original titles are Titles and as such should use upper case initials. So who "wins"? Should I enter "Uma bela história (La bohème)" or "Uma bela história (la bohème)"?

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ExtraTitleInformationStyle: "Additional information on a Release or Track *that is not part of its Main Title, but required to make it distinguishable from different releases* or tracks with the same Main Title (e.g. Track Version), must be entered in parentheses after the Main Title."

The ETI guideline about having the contents of the brackets in lowercase only applies when you're dealing with, ETI. If you look at the emphasized text above, it should be pretty clear that "(La bohème)" doesn't fall under the ETI umbrella because it is not something used to distinguish that particular track from another track of the same name.

I would consider "(La bohème)" to be part of the 'Main Title', which means it should follow its 'Capitalization Standard'.

As for "Watashi (Sapporo 76)" vs. "Watashi (sapporo 76)", I'm not sure, someone else will have to answer that.

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[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2009/3/26 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>

Ok. Now a little harder, IMO:

http://musicbrainz.org/release/6af6cc90-9bbe-4093-9155-8d2ef8aaa4ff.html for a few songs translated/adapted from other languages gives the original title. On the track listing, the font of the original translation is the same as the Brazilian title, only parentheses separate the original from the Brazilian. Still, I believe this falls under ExtraTitleInformationStyle. But this style says lower case should be used. OTOH, the original titles are Titles and as such should use upper case initials. So who "wins"? Should I enter "Uma bela história (La bohème)" or "Uma bela história (la bohème)"?

 

ExtraTitleInformationStyle: "Additional information on a Release or Track *that is not part of its Main Title, but required to make it distinguishable from different releases* or tracks with the same Main Title (e.g. Track Version), must be entered in parentheses after the Main Title."

The ETI guideline about having the contents of the brackets in lowercase only applies when you're dealing with, ETI. If you look at the emphasized text above, it should be pretty clear that "(La bohème)" doesn't fall under the ETI umbrella because it is not something used to distinguish that particular track from another track of the same name.

I would consider "(La bohème)" to be part of the 'Main Title', which means it should follow its 'Capitalization Standard'.

As for "Watashi (Sapporo 76)" vs. "Watashi (sapporo 76)", I'm not sure, someone else will have to answer that.

I must be tired, I should have thought of that alone :-) Sapporo will be uppercased for the same reason.

Thanks!

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I must be tired, I should have thought of that alone :-) Sapporo will be uppercased for the same reason.

Thanks!

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Since Sapporo is the name of a city, it would have to be in upper case in any event

 

 

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[Jan van Thiel]

2009/3/26 Frederic Da Vitoria <davitofrg@...>:
> 2009/3/26 Pavan Chander <pchander@...>
>> As for "Watashi (Sapporo 76)" vs. "Watashi (sapporo 76)", I'm not sure,
>> someone else will have to answer that.
>
> I must be tired, I should have thought of that alone :-) Sapporo will be
> uppercased for the same reason.

Even if it was ETI, it would be uppercased because Sapporo is a name.

Jan

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