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Re: Alt Tag Checker

2009-06-29T07:28:02Z

Chloe Patterson wrote:
> Hi Dominique,

Dominique? This is the W3C Public Evangelist mailing list.

> I was wondering if you know if a software or program that will scan
> through my whole website and produce a list of images that don't have alt
> tags?

Any validator which can check multiple pages.

http://www.w3.org/QA/Tools/LogValidator/
http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/

--
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http://dorward.me.uk/

Alt Tag Checker

2009-06-25T20:47:41Z

Hi Dominique,

I was wondering if you know if a software or program that will scan through my whole website and produce a list of images that don't have alt tags? I'm trying to fix all the messiness of the person who was in charge before me and don't particularly fancy manually crawling through the whole site looking for missing alt tags.

Any light you could spread on the situation would be great.

Thanks,
Chloe

effective method

2009-04-03T04:00:22Z

I'm sorry, but I don't think the kind of attitude I've just read in
the last mails on this thread is at all helpful to our evanglism
efforts.
Whether email-authors really meant to sound harsh or not, I've cringed
at the responses so far to Sandra's email (except for Joseph's).

Persuasion by evidence in a gentle, educative manner is a far more
effective
method than throwing rocks, damaging someone else's pride and then
having
them trying to throw something back at you.

Okay, so (I hope) most of us think that NS 4.x is an outdated and broken
browser, but we should not condemn those who still use it. I know a
couple
of large corporations still stuck with it because Communicator 4.x had
features which are tied together with iPlanet server features which
are (I believe) not available with NS 7 (such as Calendar).

I remember an individuals or two who were worried about upgrading
because they were worried about what might happen to their mail,
and so forth.

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2009-04-03T03:38:36Z

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Suggestion for HTML-security-extension “scriptaccess”

2008-11-17T01:07:36Z

Hello, I hope this is the right mailing-list for my mail and there is no similar suggestion mailed before.
My idea is to create an universal HTML-attribute to block cross-site-scripting –attacks for parts of a website, p. e. login-forms.

Like “httponly” for Cookies I want to have a possibility to limit the access by Javascript and other scripting-languages in the browser.

An attribute “scriptaccess” could have the values: “on”, “off”, and “read only”.
“on” would be the standard behavior, HTML-element s have nowadays and the default if “scriptaccess” is not used.

“off” would make the HTML-element invisible for Scripts.
And “read only” of course only readable for them.

“scriptaccess” should also affect child-nodes of the node with the attribute “scriptaccess”.
For child-nodes – of course – it should be possible to could change the behavior with an “scriptaccess”-attribute on it.

Lecture on Moderate Islam in USA

2008-08-03T01:13:45Z

Hello there,

I received your email address during my research from www.w3.org - Let me introduce myself to you, my name is Dr Atiya Khalil Arab Al Ansari, currently based in UAE during my retired life, planning to visit USA from September 6 to end of November 2008. I have served Karachi University for 35 years as Head of the Arabic department; an author on Islamic and literary topics with several published books besides role in TV/radio in my career. I can forward my CV on your request.

While I am visiting family in the US, I would like to use this opportunity to deliver lectures on moderate Islam / Quranic studies and its role in bringing peace and tolerance to the world, with a new angle, a brief summary below elaborates on this concept. Should you be interested, I would be more than happy to discuss this further, I shall be staying in New Jersey but open to travel on the arrangements of the inviter, I would also be happy to do a webinar for those in other countries.

Regards,

Prof (retd) Dr Atiya Khalil Arab Al Ansari

Dubai, UAE

Cell +971 50 8837412

Do visit ahappyworld.info

Summary:

I believe the terrorists, whether from Al Qaeda or the Taliban or any other have one thing in common, a totally distorted perception of what they call “Islam”; hence the root cause needs to be addressed by scholars at government levels, sadly, there is a dearth of even Muslim scholars who can let alone understand than convey such concepts. To sum up, people cannot see the forest from the trees, and the situation is deteriorating with other religions’ followers feeling alienated and threatened, totally against Islam’s teachings, hence we have misled followers of incorrectly perceived Islam who are making more join their ranks as they see the world unite against them, the world must unite against them, but other than arms, we must use the teachings of the God and Prophet they believe in to convince them that what they are doing is wrong and will only land them in hell then the paradise they think they are going to. We can all choose to be bystanders and “wait for our turn” for the terrorists to strike… or do what we can to stop this menace using the best possible strategy which I believe based on my religious credibility, I can and do offer, having no other ambitions or achievements to strive for in my retired life than offer myself as a spokesperson on this cause that is perhaps a major threat to humanity other than global warming and energy crises.

MAKING WEBSITE

2008-07-05T02:30:30Z

Dear All ,

I want to make a buisness website please tell me the cost of building this and what the procedures as well as what the validity period of this....

waiting for ur early & positive reply................

Thanks & Regards ,

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qualite de web service

2008-03-05T04:44:41Z

salut ,je suis un etudiant en 5eme année informatique (l'algerie universite de tlemcen ) , j'ai lire l'article en ce qui concerne assurance de qualite (mon site est aux normes !et le votre?) ,alors la question qui se pose pour moi c'est comment pour les web services, merci de me donner un peu de votre temps ,et svp je veut des reponses ou des documentation si je vous derange pas.

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Re: Does it matter anymore?

2007-10-29T00:00:09Z

Carlos Narváez (21 oct. 2007 - 05:37) :
> What is the importance of w3c anymore, even if the major players don't
> follow their standards?

s/anymore//

If you follow the usual statistics, it has improved over the years.
Validation is an interesting indicator but hides many things. For
example, a very small organization, or university which does its own
Web site, will be more likely to be valid than a big company. The
very simple reason is that often it takes only one dedicated
webmaster developing in-house tools and having conformance as heart
to make the whole site valid, not just the home page.

What's happening often for big companies is that they are not in
charge of the Web site. They either bought a CMS or they are asking a
Web agency to create their Web site for them.

Let's take a company like [IBM][1]. There are 355,766 employees.
The company is represented by one person at W3C, who is in charge of
communication the information to the rest of the company: [W3C AC Rep]
[2]. This person in a big company is not the director of the company.
Often he/she is the person in charge of one of the development
department.

These big companies have at least one communication department maybe
sometimes more than one (depending on the country) and very often
hundred of Web sites. I'm pretty sure the galaxy of IBM web sites is
very impressive.

The disconnection on validity and Members companies has nothing to do
with the fact that a company doesn't care about Web technologies, but
more about the internal disconnection between development department
and communication department on one side. And about the often poor
knowledge of some Web agencies about Web standards.

Let's take another side of the problem, some Web agencies care about
conformance and validity and they even made a business of it. They
deliver a Web site which is valid to the customer. Then the customer
puts into its own CMS and everything is falling apart because the CMS
is adding poor markup. Here the trouble has two sources:

* The quality control of a Web site is an ongoing project
* The mechanisms for content input have to be delivered WITH the web
site.

A little call for Web agencies and people who really care about
validity.

When you create a Web site for a client.
Do not just deliver a Web site.
Create the tools which maintain the quality of the Web site.

A Web site is a live environment. It needs to be nurtured.
We already explained a few times how we do it at W3C, and there are
still troubles sometimes, but we try to keep going on that.

http://www.w3.org/QA/Tools/LogValidator/
http://www.w3.org/QA/2003/03/web-kit
http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/Web-Quality
http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/04/how-to-create-a-valid-website

[1]: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AIBM
[2]: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/organization.html#AC

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RE: HTML and support in products.

2007-10-23T03:30:27Z

Karl

I do not use any of the products - I teach web design and use a
standards only approach - hence all my students are told to use Firefox
for browsing and either Amaya or HTML-Kit for construction. I tell them
that it is easier to design for standards then tweak for IE rather than
designing for IE and hoping. All our code (XHTML 1.0 strict and CSS2) is
passed through validators - at least that's what they're supposed to do
before submitting it. This way we get rid of the coding mistakes and can
concentrate on the design and content.

I have to use HTML email here - even though text is so much more
economical. It does have the advantage of information being formatted
correctly as I use quite a number of tables for data when I communicate
with students over their performance or attendance.

I posted because for a long time I wanted to believe that Microsoft,
being a member of the Standards body, was going to move towards using
standards. I was wrong. I do not have the time within my teaching
schedule to investigate further. Sometimes I need to sleep. (that is a
comment on our workloads)

John

John Colby
Support Tutor (Mathematics), Learner Support Centre (G312),
The Business School, Galton Building, Birmingham City University,
City North Campus, Perry Barr,
Birmingham B42 2SU
Tel: +44 (0) 121 331 6937
Birmingham City University is the new name for the former University of
Central England in Birmingham (UCE Birmingham).
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-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Dubost [mailto:karl@...]
Sent: 23 October 2007 04:14
To: John Colby
Cc: public-evangelist@...
Subject: Re: HTML and support in products.

Hi John,

John Colby (22 oct. 2007 - 17:57) :
> From http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/programming-and-development/?
> p=530&tag=nl.e138
>
> Doesn't give me much hope.

Thanks for the article link.
Could you give a bit more of context? On your personal expectations?
Do you use the products cited in the article?
Did you experience troubles and more important how did you solve them
or tried to solve them?

Noticing is good, but helping to move forward is better.

For email, there was a W3C workshop recently about [HTML in email]
[1]. During the workshop the designers have expressed their
frustrations with regards to the support of html and css in email
clients. They are willing to go full CSS, but they can't for now, and
are forced to rely on table layout design.

Another interesting statistics was also when you give the choice to
all users to receive newsletters by email as text only or HTML, most
of them (90%) request the HTML version. It seems with the new version
of mailers we will see more and more HTML emails with predefined
templates. A need for interoperability is quite important.

One way to help is to create HTML test cases for authoring tools and
to make report about the way tools and libraries are producing HTML.
I had started a document in July about this, but I will be happy to
had test and stuff from people. It might help to push implementers
and also feed the HTML WG with some needs from the authoring tools.
There might be requirements in the specification which are just
difficult to handle in an authoring tool or a CMS.

[1]: http://www.w3.org/2007/05/html-mail/
[2]: http://www.w3.org/2007/07/html-authoring-tools/

--
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QA Weblog - http://www.w3.org/QA/
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Re: HTML and support in products.

2007-10-22T21:14:09Z

Hi John,

John Colby (22 oct. 2007 - 17:57) :
> From http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/programming-and-development/?
> p=530&tag=nl.e138
>
> Doesn’t give me much hope.

Thanks for the article link.
Could you give a bit more of context? On your personal expectations?
Do you use the products cited in the article?
Did you experience troubles and more important how did you solve them
or tried to solve them?

Noticing is good, but helping to move forward is better.

For email, there was a W3C workshop recently about [HTML in email]
[1]. During the workshop the designers have expressed their
frustrations with regards to the support of html and css in email
clients. They are willing to go full CSS, but they can't for now, and
are forced to rely on table layout design.

Another interesting statistics was also when you give the choice to
all users to receive newsletters by email as text only or HTML, most
of them (90%) request the HTML version. It seems with the new version
of mailers we will see more and more HTML emails with predefined
templates. A need for interoperability is quite important.

One way to help is to create HTML test cases for authoring tools and
to make report about the way tools and libraries are producing HTML.
I had started a document in July about this, but I will be happy to
had test and stuff from people. It might help to push implementers
and also feed the HTML WG with some needs from the authoring tools.
There might be requirements in the specification which are just
difficult to handle in an authoring tool or a CMS.

[1]: http://www.w3.org/2007/05/html-mail/
[2]: http://www.w3.org/2007/07/html-authoring-tools/

--
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W3C Conformance Manager, QA Activity Lead
QA Weblog - http://www.w3.org/QA/
*** Be Strict To Be Cool ***

[public-evangelist]

2007-10-22T02:57:03Z

Quote

“I recently revisited the issue of using Web standards when working with Microsoft SharePoint 2007 and Outlook 2007. The products’ lack of adherence to Web standards was surprising given the advancements incorporated in Internet Explorer 7. Microsoft’s slow push towards standards compliance with strides in Internet Explorer 7 gave me hope that the company had finally realized the benefits of Web standards. However, my experience with SharePoint 2007 and Outlook 2007 squashed my optimism.”

From http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/programming-and-development/?p=530&tag=nl.e138

Doesn’t give me much hope.

John

John Colby BA, PGCertE

Support Tutor (Mathematics), Learner Support Centre (G312),

The Business School, Galton Building, Birmingham City University,

City North Campus, Perry Barr, Birmingham B42 2SU

Tel: +44 (0) 121 331 6937, Fax +44 (0) 121 331 6281, Mobile: 07795 215 912

Birmingham City University is the new name for the former University of Central England in Birmingham (UCE Birmingham).

Essential Website - http://essential.tbs.bcu.ac.uk

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For more information about the name change go to http://www.bcu.ac.uk/namechange/official_announcement.html

Re: Does it matter anymore?

2007-10-21T10:52:28Z

Carlos Narváez wrote:

> Given these results of some of the heavy hitters on the web today, how
> important is HTML validity and/or this tool?

Valid HTML is part of a quality assurance process. Creating sites that
adhere to the spec should guarantee reasonable consistency across all
user agents that also conform to the spec. If certain companies (be they
"heavy hitters" or not) don't think that QA of their markup is of great
concern, that's up to them to deal with. From my own experience, invalid
HTML often gives rise to bizarre behaviour in certain browsers when it
comes to styling via CSS. Rather than spend more time trying to find CSS
workarounds or further kludges to markup, I usually find that fixing the
actual HTML in the first place yields far more predictable results. So,
for my own QA, valid code is an important first step upon which to
build. If Amazon and co. think different, that's frankly up to them.

As for "does it matter anymore?", that's again up to the individual
developers. As the W3C is not an enforcement agency, I'd say it's
irrelevant how many sites do or don't validate. Consider, though, that
as a general trend, HTML code seems to align more and more towards spec
even on large sites (due in no small part to development/design tools
slowly coming around to outputting valid, or at least reasonable, code).
Without a baseline specification to work towards, we'd be left with a
myriad of completely incompatible implementations and "best viewed with
IE" type sites.

IMHO, of course...

P
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Does it matter anymore?

2007-10-20T14:37:07Z

What is the importance of w3c anymore, even if the major players don't
follow their standards? Upon validating some of our site pages, I
posed the question to myself of just how many of the "Heavy Hitters"
are doing the same as I am.

The Following results are from using w3c's HTML Validator tool with
default settings:
I am NOT name calling in ANY WAY. :)
Search:
Google.com - Failed validation, 50 Errors
Yahoo.com - Failed validation, 34 Errors
live.com - Failed validation, 64 Errors

Big Box:
Walmart.com - Failed validation, 78 Errors
Amazon.com - Failed validation, 1199 Errors
Homedepot.com - Failed validation, 9 Errors

Given these results of some of the heavy hitters on the web today, how
important is HTML validity and/or this tool?

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http://www.fondosdepantalla.com.mx

Re: QA Tips mistake?

2007-10-18T20:35:34Z

John S. Britsios (18 oct. 2007 - 11:31) :
> I strongly believe that having links in <h1> tags is semantically
> incorrect. Or did I miss something?

Could you give more details? Use cases and rationales? Code examples.

--
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QA Weblog - http://www.w3.org/QA/
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Re: QA Tips mistake?

2007-10-18T10:24:29Z

Hi John,

> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/good-titles
>
> I strongly believe that having links in <h1> tags is semantically
> incorrect.

I guess there are differing points of view, but since

* the HTML specs seem to leave this open (cannot find anything, that is),
* just about every bit of information might be worth linking, and
* linking headings can help usability, too,

it appears to be legitimate.

(Interested in more pros and cons, though.)

Best regards,
Jens.

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http://meiert.com/en/

QA Tips mistake?

2007-10-17T20:31:42Z

Dear W3C Team,

I wanted to bring your consideration that I consider a part of one of
the QA tips found here http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/good-titles
as wrong and misleading.

I strongly believe that having links in <h1> tags is semantically
incorrect. Or did I miss something?

Kind regards,

John S. Britsios, CEO
Web Architect & Principal SEO Consultant

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moon

2007-09-24T10:59:05Z

nasa moonbase

The next astronauts to work on the moon will likely live in larger
habitats and drive sporty new rovers capable of
two-week treks, NASA officials said Thursday.

Rather than assembling a lunar outpost over time from a multitude of
small, separately launched modules, NASA is now hoping
to land up to three large habitats on fewer flights to build a beachhead
on the moon, the space agency said.

Doug Cooke, NASA's deputy associate administrator for exploration
systems, said that the space agency's revised lunar plan
calls for the launching of larger habitats to the moon on unmanned cargo
flights.

? Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Space Center.

That way, the first new lunar astronauts could begin to reap science
rewards faster than if they had to haul smaller habitat
sections and hardware to the moon on each flight, then combine them into
a larger base to support long-duration expeditions.

"We want to get scientific return. We want to get information that will
help, potentially, space commerce and we want to get
international participation early," Cooke told reporters in a
teleconference. "All of these objectives we want to address as early
in the flights as we possibly can by getting the outpost up and running
quickly."

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http://www.phone-sex-dictionary.com
http://www.phone-sex-handjobs.com
http://www.your-account.info
http://www.freephonesex.org
http://www.1800phonesex.net
http://www.1on1phonesex.com
http://www.phonesexphone.com
http://www.hotphone.com
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Introduction

2007-09-08T07:30:31Z

Hi all,

I just subscribed to this list and wanted to introduce myself before posting. I'm Rob and coding and design is my hobby. So do nothing fancy but think I can learn a lot from all posts coming by in this W3C mailinglist.

I have a portal called Indelv.com (http://www.indelv.com/) and post some news on standards just to keep track of what is happening in the field. I know the site is not fully standardized, but I am working on it when I have free time.

So if you have some cool news or found a nice article, send me a note, I will repost some of it on Indelv, so I will not loose track of it. Hope I see nice tips passing by on this mailing list and in the future I might be a bit better and can even assist with answers.

Kind regards and have a good weekend

Rob

Re: "Specifying Character Encoding" FAILS

2007-07-24T00:29:27Z

Hi D Lauwers.

Le 22 juil. 2007 à 21:53, Sono a écrit :
> <html lang="fr">

Here you specified the language used in your document.
French Language

> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">

Here you specified the encoding used in your document.
UTF-8

> <p>L'élève va à l'école et ceci est écrit en Français!</p>

Here some actual French text.

1. Do you see question marks when you look at the document locally on
your computer with the browser? (open file… with the browser)
If the document is fine locally, it means you have the right
encoding.
If not, your document is maybe written with another encoding.

2. Now when you put your document online, it has been written with
one encoding, you have to be careful that the server sends the right
information with your document.
If you do not have control on the server configuration but have
access to PHP, you can fix the HTTP headers for this file.

http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/server-charset#setting
Specifically
http://www.w3.org/International/O-HTTP-charset
header('Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8');

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Re: "Specifying Character Encoding" FAILS

2007-07-23T20:10:50Z

On the client end:

1. The browser should be configured to accept UTF-8 character encoding.
2. The system needs a font that includes the UTF-8 code points/glyphs.

On 7/22/07, Sono <info@...> wrote:

I tried your example (see right here-under) but it does not work.

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
" http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd ">

<html lang="fr">

<head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">

<title>Exemple de document HTML 4.01</title>
</head>

<body>
<h1>Un document français</h1>

<p>L'élève va à l'école et ceci est écrit en Français!</p>

</body>
</html>

For each French specific character, I get question marks in a diamond (lozenge); see enclosed picture (here-under on Mac, in attachment on PC)

Thank you for your time.

D. Lauwers

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"Specifying Character Encoding" FAILS

2007-07-22T06:53:51Z

I tried your example (see right here-under) but it does not work.

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"

"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

<head>

<title>Exemple de document HTML 4.01</title>

</head>

<body>

<h1>Un document français</h1>

<p>L'élève va à l'école et ceci est écrit en Français!</p>

</body>

</html>

For each French specific character, I get question marks in a diamond (lozenge); see enclosed picture (here-under on Mac, in attachment on PC)

Thank you for your time.

D. Lauwers

span-div, div-span, naps-vid, vid-naps, dvi-aspn, as-pn-vi- td??

2007-07-14T13:00:28Z

I am illiterate so do not reply, but think on this.

The <div> and <span> tags are loads of fun, but put them together with <td> in the CSS soup and incompatibility takes on a whole new purpose.

Why is easy to answer. HTML 4 positioning is very wanting.

Add to the above tags any notion of cross browser page centering and you run into and stone wall.

Be good folks and firm up percentages as a fully addressed unit of measure.

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Re: rephrase "GIF or PNG" slug as an action sentence

2007-07-11T06:48:13Z

Karl Dubost wrote:

>> so perhaps:
>> Tip of the Day: Choose graphics formats (GIF or PNG) carefully
>> or better:
>> Tip of the Day: Consider PNG instead of GIF for images
>
> Yep. PNG had a big problem in IE 5 to 6. Alpha channel was not supported.
> See IE blog about that
> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/04/26/412263.aspx
> But as of today, it seems to be a reasonable choice for more people
> since the release of IE7.

Being at the coalface and developing sites for the industry at the
moment, I can vouch that we're seeing PNG as more and more of an option
precisely because of good support in IE7. It's liberated us somewhat in
terms of the continual strive achieving beautiful designs and
standards-compliant code.

There are certain cases where you wouldn't use a PNG over GIF as any
hacks to get PNG to render correctly in IE6 has a lot of limitations in
terms of placement and positioning. (Like it or not, we still have to
support this browser ...)

Hope that helps,
-steph

Re: rephrase "GIF or PNG" slug as an action sentence

2007-07-11T05:51:52Z

On Wednesday, July 11, 2007, 4:22:33 AM, Karl wrote:

KD> Le 11 juil. 2007 à 00:37, Dan Connolly a écrit :
>> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/png-gif
>> 2006/11/24 01:20:24
>> Er... tips should be sentences of the form "do something", no?

KD> no strong feeling, but why not. It seems reasonable.

>> so perhaps:
>> Tip of the Day: Choose graphics formats (GIF or PNG) carefully
>> or better:
>> Tip of the Day: Consider PNG instead of GIF for images

KD> Yep. PNG had a big problem in IE 5 to 6. Alpha channel was not
KD> supported.

It was supported to the extent that GIF was, ie fully transparent colors were indeed transparent.

They made a really poor implementation for semi-transparent colors though.

KD> See IE blog about that
KD> http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/04/26/412263.aspx
KD> But as of today, it seems to be a reasonable choice for more people
KD> since the release of IE7.

>> p.s.
>> I'm a bit surprised to see "GIF's strong point is that it is very
>> widely
>> supported and thus well established as the default choice for simple
>> graphics on the Web."

KD> See above.

And not ethat PNG had the same leverl of support that GIF had when the last major browser to add NG support), IE added it in IE4. Netscape added it in Netscape 4.04. Most of the other browsers had it earlier than Netscape.

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Re: rephrase "GIF or PNG" slug as an action sentence

2007-07-10T20:22:33Z

Le 11 juil. 2007 à 00:37, Dan Connolly a écrit :
> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/png-gif
> 2006/11/24 01:20:24
> Er... tips should be sentences of the form "do something", no?

no strong feeling, but why not. It seems reasonable.

> so perhaps:
> Tip of the Day: Choose graphics formats (GIF or PNG) carefully
> or better:
> Tip of the Day: Consider PNG instead of GIF for images

Yep. PNG had a big problem in IE 5 to 6. Alpha channel was not
supported.
See IE blog about that
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/04/26/412263.aspx
But as of today, it seems to be a reasonable choice for more people
since the release of IE7.

> p.s.
> I'm a bit surprised to see "GIF's strong point is that it is very
> widely
> supported and thus well established as the default choice for simple
> graphics on the Web."

See above.

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Re: rephrase "GIF or PNG" slug as an action sentence

2007-07-10T10:44:36Z

On Tuesday, July 10, 2007, 5:37:08 PM, Dan wrote:

DC> I'm validating some stuff, and I just got:

DC> Tip Of The Day: GIF or PNG

DC> http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/png-gif
DC> 2006/11/24 01:20:24

DC> Er... tips should be sentences of the form "do something", no?

DC> so perhaps:

DC> Tip of the Day: Choose graphics formats (GIF or PNG) carefully

DC> or better:

DC> Tip of the Day: Consider PNG instead of GIF for images

Yes to either of those.

DC> p.s.
DC> I'm a bit surprised to see "GIF's strong point is that it is very widely
DC> supported and thus well established as the default choice for simple
DC> graphics on the Web."

DC> But that's consistent with the current Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0
DC> Proposed Recommendation:

Yes, unfortunately. From 1995 to 2006 W3C promoted PNG over GIF, and now some parts of W3C are promoting GIF over PNG. I believe this is mainly due to a continuing lack of support from one major mobile carrier.

This is particularly ironic given that IE7 finally added the rest of the PNG support (transparent images) that was half-done in IE5 - IE6.

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rephrase "GIF or PNG" slug as an action sentence

2007-07-10T09:37:08Z

I'm validating some stuff, and I just got:

Tip Of The Day: GIF or PNG

http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/png-gif
2006/11/24 01:20:24

Er... tips should be sentences of the form "do something", no?

so perhaps:

Tip of the Day: Choose graphics formats (GIF or PNG) carefully

or better:

Tip of the Day: Consider PNG instead of GIF for images

p.s.
I'm a bit surprised to see "GIF's strong point is that it is very widely
supported and thus well established as the default choice for simple
graphics on the Web."

But that's consistent with the current Mobile Web Best Practices 1.0
Proposed Recommendation:

"Image Format Support

JPEG.

GIF 89a."
-- http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/#ddc

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Re: New translations

2007-07-05T23:00:53Z

Hello Sebastian, w3c translators, public-evangelist.

You wrote:
> I have the pleasure of informing you that two new
> documents have been translated into Polish:
> 1.
> Original version:
> http://www.w3.org/QA/2003/03/web-kit.html.en
> Polish version:
> http://www.t4tw.info/tlumaczenia/qa/web-kitpl.html

Thank you for your work, and apologies for a really long delay in
replying to you: this apparently fell through cracks, several times.
Your translation is now in the list of translations for the "web-kit":
http://www.w3.org/QA/translations#switch
and published along the other translations:
http://www.w3.org/QA/2003/03/web-kit.html.po

If other Polish translators wish to have a look at the translation,
that would be great, too.

Thanks.
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Re: About redirections...

2007-06-28T03:13:10Z

On 26 Jun 2007, at 17:47, sebastian nielsen wrote:
> A problem with the "standard" redirects is that they resubmit any
> information that are submitted to a page that redirects.

Really? The tip doesn't explicitly mention 303 redirects, but still...

10.3.4 303 See Other

The response to the request can be found under a different URI and
SHOULD be retrieved using a GET method on that resource. This method
exists primarily to allow the output of a POST-activated script to
redirect the user agent to a selected resource. The new URI is not a
substitute reference for the originally requested resource.

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html#sec10.3

... however, as far as I know, pretty much all user agents treat 302
and 301 redirects as if they were 303 as far as converting to a GET
request is concerned.

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Re: About redirections...

2007-06-27T13:26:10Z

Sebastian,

You're misunderstanding how browsers and redirects work. Here's what
actually happens:

Browser does a POST to page B.
The server responds with an HTTP redirect informing the browser to go to
page C.
Browser does a GET to page C. None of the information in the previous
POST gets resubmitted.

There are a couple ways you can verify this is taking place. On the
server-side, you can see exactly which requests are being handled by
looking at the logs. In this example, you would see a POST resulting in
a redirect, followed by a brand new GET request. If you are using the
Firefox web browser, the Firebug or LiveHttpHeaders extensions allow you
to see exactly which requests are being sent by the browser, including
what data is being posted.

Regards,

Jon Jensen

sebastian nielsen wrote:

> About this page: http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback
>
>
> A problem with the "standard" redirects is that they resubmit any
> information that are submitted to a page that redirects.
> For example:
>
> Page showing login form = A
> Page where information is posted = B
> Page that the user should go to after login = C (suppose this is a
> third party site)
>
> The problem here, is that when a user logons with the form on page A,
> the data gets then sent as supposed to
> page B. But then page B issues a "standard redirection" to page C. The
> browser will then resubmit the login
> information to page C. This is not what a webmaster wants if the
> C-page is a third party page that only should get a "identifyer" that
> a user has logged in, not which username and password the user has on
> site B.
>
> Some browser has a setting to turn off redirection for POST requests.
> But that setting completely disables the redirection HTTP codes for
> POST request which means that the user will see a error message, or a
> blank page, depending on which browser is used.
>
> If META refreshes is used, the form information isnt redirected.
>
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About redirections...

2007-06-26T10:47:00Z

About this page: http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/reback

A problem with the "standard" redirects is that they resubmit any information that are submitted to a page that redirects.
For example:

Page showing login form = A
Page where information is posted = B
Page that the user should go to after login = C (suppose this is a third party site)

The problem here, is that when a user logons with the form on page A, the data gets then sent as supposed to
page B. But then page B issues a "standard redirection" to page C. The browser will then resubmit the login
information to page C. This is not what a webmaster wants if the C-page is a third party page that only should get a "identifyer" that a user has logged in, not which username and password the user has on site B.

Some browser has a setting to turn off redirection for POST requests. But that setting completely disables the redirection HTTP codes for POST request which means that the user will see a error message, or a blank page, depending on which browser is used.

If META refreshes is used, the form information isnt redirected.

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[FYI] Education Task Force Curriculum Survey

2007-06-19T20:56:54Z

Introduction

The WaSP Education Task Force and W3C Quality Assurance Interest
Group propose the creation of a curriculum framework to help
educators teach best practices in Web design and development more
effectively. Upon completing modules in such a curriculum, a student
should have sound knowledge of best practices and a solid foundation
upon which to build.

This survey aims to clarify the needs of educators, to identify what
may help them in teaching these topics, and to identify the
challenges they face. This survey will also influence the format and
content of the resultant curriculum or teaching framework.

http://edutf.webstandards.org/survey.php

Related news item
http://www.webstandards.org/2007/06/13/education-task-force-
curriculum-survey/

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Re: HTML5 Tutorial efforts

2007-06-03T20:53:14Z

At 08:46 PM 6/3/2007, Karl Dubost wrote:

>Le 23 mai 2007 à 00:06, Debi Orton a écrit :
>>Karl, if we can identify non-controversial aspects of the present
>>HTML 5 draft, I'd be glad to start now. Is there any clear way to
>>make that distinction?
>
>I think the most beneficial part of the specifications for authors is
>for now.
>[3. Semantics and structure of HTML elements][1]. It would be good to
>break into pieces.
>
>So we need first a template. There are, at least, two ways of
>proceeding for this kind of things and they are not mutually exclusive.
>
>1. Going through the list of names and explain their meanings with
>examples and best practices. (a, b, blockquote, etc. )
>2. Talking about semantics as large and how to achieve things.
>(paragraphs, lists, tables, forms, etc.)
>
>What do people prefer to work on? As I would much like that we get
>things done more than imposing something that people do not like.

I agree. I do not think the two approaches are
mutually exclusive, but the concepts can
reinforce each other. I'd be glad to start with #1.

Dan described an approach of going through
section by section. Is that how you're suggesting we proceed?

Debi Orton / oradnio@...

HTML5 Tutorial efforts

2007-06-03T18:46:33Z

Le 23 mai 2007 à 00:06, Debi Orton a écrit :
> Karl, if we can identify non-controversial aspects of the present
> HTML 5 draft, I'd be glad to start now. Is there any clear way to
> make that distinction?

I think the most beneficial part of the specifications for authors is
for now.
[3. Semantics and structure of HTML elements][1]. It would be good to
break into pieces.

So we need first a template. There are, at least, two ways of
proceeding for this kind of things and they are not mutually exclusive.

1. Going through the list of names and explain their meanings with
examples and best practices. (a, b, blockquote, etc. )
2. Talking about semantics as large and how to achieve things.
(paragraphs, lists, tables, forms, etc.)

What do people prefer to work on? As I would much like that we get
things done more than imposing something that people do not like.

[1]: http://tinyurl.com/397b7t
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/spec/Overview.html?content-
type=text/html;%20charset=iso-8859-1#semantics

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