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Re: Undefined type . . .

2008-07-31T17:37:27Z

At 2008-07-30 19:21 -0400, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I have the simple schema pasted below that is not validating.

It has a simple error.

>Undefined type xs{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}:dtmf referenced as
>type definition of srvgmt
>...
>[ERROR] src-resolve.4.2: Error resolving component 'xs:dtmf'. It was
>detected that 'xs:dtmf' is in namespace
>'http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema',

Those are your clues: you haven't defined the type "xs:dtmf" ... but
I see from your schema that you did define the type "dtmf":

>
> <xs:simpleType name="dtmf">
> <xs:restriction base="xs:dateTime">
> <xs:pattern value="YYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ssTZD" />
> </xs:restriction>
> </xs:simpleType>

So then your error is here:

> <xs:element name="srvgmt" type="xs:dtmf" />

and the fix is:

<xs:element name="srvgmt" type="dtmf" />

I hope this helps.

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Undefined type . . .

2008-07-30T16:21:51Z

~
I have the simple schema pasted below that is not validating.
~
The errors I get from
~

~
are:
~
Undefined type xs{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}:dtmf referenced as
type definition of srvgmt
Undefined type xs{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}:dtmf referenced as
type definition of srvxpgmt
Undefined type xs{http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}:dtmf referenced as
type definition of lupgmt
~
The only thing I am going just a bit fancy is the restriction of the
dateTime format
~
If I try using the jaxb compiler I get:
~
sh-3.1# xjc LWSC00.localents.xsd
parsing a schema...
[ERROR] src-resolve.4.2: Error resolving component 'xs:dtmf'. It was
detected that 'xs:dtmf' is in namespace
'http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema', but components from this namespace
are not referenceable from schema document
'file:/media/hda2/prjx/java/JAXB/LocalWebSynchedCache/xsd/LWSC00.localents.xsd'.

If this is the incorrect namespace, perhaps the prefix of 'xs:dtmf'
needs to be changed. If this is the correct namespace, then an
appropriate 'import' tag should be added to
'file:/media/hda2/prjx/java/JAXB/LocalWebSynchedCache/xsd/LWSC00.localents.xsd'.

line 13 of file:/media/hda2/prjx/java/JAXB/LocalWebSynchedCache/xsd/LWSC00.localents.xsd

Failed to parse a schema.
~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ SCHEMA FILE ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>

<xs:schema xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xml:lang="en">


<xs:simpleType name="dtmf">
<xs:restriction base="xs:dateTime">
<xs:pattern value="YYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ssTZD" />
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>


<xs:element name="srvgmt" type="xs:dtmf" />
<xs:element name="srvxpgmt" type="xs:dtmf" />
<xs:element name="srvmaxage" type="xs:int" />
<xs:element name="srvetag" type="xs:string" />
<xs:element name="srvcntlngth" type="xs:int" />
<xs:element name="srvcnttp" type="xs:string" />

<xs:element name="web">
<xs:complexType>
<xs:sequence>
<xs:element ref="srvgmt" />
<xs:element ref="srvxpgmt" />
<xs:element ref="srvmaxage" />
<xs:element ref="srvetag" />
<xs:element ref="srvcntlngth" />
<xs:element ref="srvcnttp" />
</xs:sequence>
</xs:complexType>
</xs:element>


<xs:element name="root" type="xs:string" />
<xs:element name="dir" type="xs:string" />
<xs:element name="lupgmt" type="xs:dtmf" />

<xs:element name="ksh">
<xs:complexType>
<xs:sequence>
<xs:element ref="root" />
<xs:element ref="dir" />
<xs:element ref="lupgmt" />
</xs:sequence>
<xs:attribute name="ix" type="xs:NMTOKEN" use="required" />
</xs:complexType>
</xs:element>

<xs:element name="entpath" type="xs:string" />
<xs:element name="cntlngth" type="xs:int"/>
<xs:element name="md5sum" type="xs:string"/>

<xs:element name="loc">
<xs:complexType>
<xs:sequence>
<xs:element ref="entpath" />
<xs:element ref="cntlngth" />
<xs:element ref="md5sum" />
<xs:element ref="ksh" minOccurs="1" maxOccurs="8" />
</xs:sequence>
</xs:complexType>
</xs:element>

<xs:element name="ent">
<xs:complexType>
<xs:sequence>
<xs:element ref="web" />
<xs:element ref="loc" />
</xs:sequence>
<xs:attribute name="ix" type="xs:NMTOKEN" use="required" />
<xs:attribute name="uri" type="xs:string" use="required" />
</xs:complexType>
</xs:element>


<xs:element name="LocEnts">
<xs:complexType>
<xs:sequence>
<xs:element ref="ent" minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded" />
</xs:sequence>
</xs:complexType>
</xs:element>

</xs:schema>

Re: schema for checking SVG+ARIA documents

2008-05-28T00:16:29Z

Hi,

On May 28, 2008, at 04:40, Al Gilman wrote:

> One of the things that SVG is concerned about, as regards the
> WAI-ARIA embedding in host languages, is that the profile be
> checkable for SVG authors.
>
> So on the Hypertext CG call last Friday I accepted the action
> to ask you for a schema.
>
> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes.html#action02

I have already developed draft schema (RELAX NG + Schematron 1.5
schema pair) for HTML5+ARIA. To the extent the SVG WG has schema
feasibility concerns, I think the HTML5+ARIA schema pair should
demonstrate the level of feasibility.

Web view to version control:
http://syntax.whattf.org/relaxng/
(particularly aria.rnc and assertions.sch)

Runnable instance:
http://html5.validator.nu/

Documentation:
http://hsivonen.iki.fi/aria-html5-bis/

> Unfortunately, I only understand the gross purpose of this
> schema and not the specific detailed requirements. In addition,
> I think the time is not quite ripe while PFWG is considering
> a revision to the relevant section of the spec.
>
> But I want to get the request on your radar screen.
>
> Doug, would you refresh us on the feasible range and preferred
> precise choice in terms of a schema dialect would be most helpful
> to SVG?

What I'd like to do is to integrate aria.rnc and assertions.sch
mentioned above to the SVG 1.1 RELAX NG schema used by Validator.nu. I
haven't done so yet for two reasons:
1) I wanted to wait for the SVG WG to look into how they want to
integrate ARIA. (I am, of course, hoping that the SVG WG finds it
desirable to use the same syntax as (X)HTML5, i.e. aria-foo.)
2) It seemed to me that it wouldn't make sense to put ARIA on e.g.
<desc>, so I think a table of which roles are allowed on which SVG
elements is needed. (Similar to my draft proposal at http://hsivonen.iki.fi/aria-html5-bis/
)

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schema for checking SVG+ARIA documents

2008-05-27T18:40:47Z

Henri,

One of the things that SVG is concerned about, as regards the
WAI-ARIA embedding in host languages, is that the profile be
checkable for SVG authors.

So on the Hypertext CG call last Friday I accepted the action
to ask you for a schema.

http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes.html#action02

Unfortunately, I only understand the gross purpose of this
schema and not the specific detailed requirements. In addition,
I think the time is not quite ripe while PFWG is considering
a revision to the relevant section of the spec.

But I want to get the request on your radar screen.

Doug, would you refresh us on the feasible range and preferred
precise choice in terms of a schema dialect would be most helpful
to SVG?

Henri, we have Chaals's language under consideration

(Member link)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2008AprJun/att-0407/
aria-implementation.html

.. but aside
from a general idea that we like the general sound of how he
explained it to the TAG it's not even editor's draft text yet,
so if there is work involved it could be premature to do it
*right* now. Clearly there is room for more bumps in the road
to Rec but right now is a relatively unstable moment.

Al

NVDL testing for Validator.nu sought

2008-04-08T06:35:09Z

Validator.nu now exposes the NVDL functionality of oNVDL as a Web
service.

Browser-based UI: http://validator.nu/
Web service docs: http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Validator.nu_Web_Service_Interface
Blog post: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/nvdl/

As mentioned in the blog post, this functionality (as part of
Validator.nu) is virtually untested. I'd appreciate it if people with
real NVDL use cases tried it out to see if it really works.

Known limitations:
NVDL schemas can only use RNG, RNC and Schematron 1.5 schemas. The
Validator.nu non-schema checkers that work on the top level by URI
don't work (yet) inside NVDL.

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Re: nvdl semantics

2007-10-11T12:45:27Z

Chris Lilley wrote:

Hi Chris!

> JK> Petr Nálevka (author of JNVDL) has sort of "NVDL tutorial" as part of
> JK> his master thesis. I will try to persuade him to publish it separately
> JK> before master thesis is completely finished and reviewed.
>
> Any news on that? I was discussing NVDL the other day and would like to have pointed people to (and read) the tutorial.

Yes, it is already on-line:

http://jnvdl.sourceforge.net/tutorial.html

> Also I see one can play by example using the new version of relaxed:
> http://relaxed.vse.cz/nextgeneration/validate?group=NamespaceRestaurant
>
> It would be good to get the SVG Tiny 1.2 RNG added to that set, by the way.

Yes, adding more schemas out-of-the box is the plan. But lets say that
our time resources are very very limited for now. Please stay tuned.

Jirka

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Re: nvdl semantics

2007-10-11T00:23:01Z

On Thursday, February 22, 2007, 9:07:53 PM, Jirka wrote:

JK> Dave Pawson wrote:

>> On 22/02/07, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 22, 2007, 7:16:42 PM, Dave wrote:

>>> DP> Having crawled through part 4 of 19757 I'm little the wiser
>>> DP> as to the language semantics.

>>> What is unclear? Specific details or the overall scope or ...

>> Semantics for the elements in the schema(s) would help.
>> I.e. something a schema | script writer could use to help write the script.

JK> Petr Nálevka (author of JNVDL) has sort of "NVDL tutorial" as part of
JK> his master thesis. I will try to persuade him to publish it separately
JK> before master thesis is completely finished and reviewed.

Any news on that? I was discussing NVDL the other day and would like to have pointed people to (and read) the tutorial.

JK> But generally, NRL tutorial from James Clark is a good start.

Yes.

Also I see one can play by example using the new version of relaxed:
http://relaxed.vse.cz/nextgeneration/validate?group=NamespaceRestaurant

It would be good to get the SVG Tiny 1.2 RNG added to that set, by the way.

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.2/rng/Tiny-1.2/Tiny-1.2.rng
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/schema.html

and there is also an NVDL definition of Conforming SVG Document Fragments
http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/conform.html#ConformingSVGDocuments

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2007-09-08T07:30:31Z

Hi all,

I just subscribed to this list and wanted to introduce myself before posting. I'm Rob and coding and design is my hobby. So do nothing fancy but think I can learn a lot from all posts coming by in this W3C mailinglist.

I have a portal called Indelv.com (http://www.indelv.com/) and post some news on standards just to keep track of what is happening in the field. I know the site is not fully standardized, but I am working on it when I have free time.

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Re: equivalent of NOT NULL for element values?

2007-03-13T16:59:42Z

> > what about using facet minLength in a restriction ?

Would the pattern facet do the trick for you?

start =
element some_element {
xsd:nonNegativeInteger { pattern = "[0-9]+" }
}

> I'd made the mistake of thinking that the validator would give the
> same error when integer fields where empty (which was my main
> concern). I'd implemented the minLength restriction on strings, but
> had no solutions for integer types - shows you what testing can
> achieve ;). Is there an all-type encompassing attribute which
> requires that an element have a value (regardless of whether that
> value then validates based on restrictions etc...)?

Re: equivalent of NOT NULL for element values?

2007-03-13T16:23:59Z

On Mar 13, 2007, at 3:14 PM, mozer wrote:

> what about using facet minLength in a restriction ?

I'd made the mistake of thinking that the validator would give the
same error when integer fields where empty (which was my main
concern). I'd implemented the minLength restriction on strings, but
had no solutions for integer types - shows you what testing can
achieve ;). Is there an all-type encompassing attribute which
requires that an element have a value (regardless of whether that
value then validates based on restrictions etc...)?

Thanks!
-lev

Re: equivalent of NOT NULL for element values?

2007-03-13T16:14:28Z

what about using facet minLength in a restriction ?

On 3/12/07, Lev Lvovsky <lists2@...> wrote:

>
> Hello, we're using Schema to validate a SOAP feed - I'd like to
> require that certain elements be supplied without "null" (for lack of
> a better word) values:
>
> <some_element></some_element>
>
> Ideally this would be illegal according to the Schema regardless of
> the type of data that the element contained.
>
> If this is not possible, or rather if it's acheived by restrictions
> in simpleType definitions, how can I impose a non-null value for an
> integer type which may be unbounded positive or negative?
>
> thank you,
> -lev
>
>
>

equivalent of NOT NULL for element values?

2007-03-12T16:53:38Z

Hello, we're using Schema to validate a SOAP feed - I'd like to
require that certain elements be supplied without "null" (for lack of
a better word) values:

<some_element></some_element>

Ideally this would be illegal according to the Schema regardless of
the type of data that the element contained.

If this is not possible, or rather if it's acheived by restrictions
in simpleType definitions, how can I impose a non-null value for an
integer type which may be unbounded positive or negative?

thank you,
-lev

Re: nvdl semantics

2007-02-22T11:21:48Z

On 22/02/07, Jirka Kosek <jirka@...> wrote:

> Petr Nálevka (author of JNVDL) has sort of "NVDL tutorial" as part of
> his master thesis. I will try to persuade him to publish it separately
> before master thesis is completely finished and reviewed.
Thanks Jirka
>
> But generally, NRL tutorial from James Clark is a good start.
http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/nrl.html
is that the one?
The description seems to fit the grammar quite well.

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Re: nvdl semantics

2007-02-22T11:11:02Z

On Thursday, February 22, 2007, 7:55:11 PM, Dave wrote:

DP> On 22/02/07, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2007, 7:16:42 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> DP> Having crawled through part 4 of 19757 I'm little the wiser
>> DP> as to the language semantics.
>>
>> What is unclear? Specific details or the overall scope or ...

DP> Semantics for the elements in the schema(s) would help.
DP> I.e. something a schema | script writer could use to help write the script.

If you are looking for tutorials and examples then I suggest starting
at

http://xml.coverpages.org/dsdl.html

also look at NRL tutorials, which was the precursor to NVDL.

For implementations to test, I suggest getting hold of the oXygen XML
editor, or the stand-alone oNVDL, or JNVDL.

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Re: nvdl semantics

2007-02-22T11:07:53Z

Dave Pawson wrote:

>
> On 22/02/07, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 22, 2007, 7:16:42 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> DP> Having crawled through part 4 of 19757 I'm little the wiser
>> DP> as to the language semantics.
>>
>> What is unclear? Specific details or the overall scope or ...
>
> Semantics for the elements in the schema(s) would help.
> I.e. something a schema | script writer could use to help write the script.

Petr Nálevka (author of JNVDL) has sort of "NVDL tutorial" as part of
his master thesis. I will try to persuade him to publish it separately
before master thesis is completely finished and reviewed.

But generally, NRL tutorial from James Clark is a good start.

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Re: nvdl semantics

2007-02-22T10:55:11Z

On 22/02/07, Chris Lilley <chris@...> wrote:
> On Thursday, February 22, 2007, 7:16:42 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> DP> Having crawled through part 4 of 19757 I'm little the wiser
> DP> as to the language semantics.
>
> What is unclear? Specific details or the overall scope or ...

Semantics for the elements in the schema(s) would help.
I.e. something a schema | script writer could use to help write the script.

regards

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Re: nvdl semantics

2007-02-22T10:49:25Z

On Thursday, February 22, 2007, 7:16:42 PM, Dave wrote:

DP> Having crawled through part 4 of 19757 I'm little the wiser
DP> as to the language semantics.

What is unclear? Specific details or the overall scope or ...

DP> Are there any web references please, post JC NRL notes?

DP> regards

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nvdl semantics

2007-02-22T10:16:42Z

Having crawled through part 4 of 19757 I'm little the wiser
as to the language semantics.

Are there any web references please, post JC NRL notes?

regards
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Schematron news from Rick Jelliffe

2007-02-21T01:02:43Z

Hello public-schemata-users,

This item from Robin Cover's XML daily news may be of interest to this list:

Schematron News
Rick Jelliffe, O'Reilly News

Some of the recent news on ISO Schematron: (1) My XSLT 'skeleton
implementation (the latest version of the most commonly used version
of Schematron) is available in beta from Schematron.com, as open source,
non-viral. This version fully supports ISO Schematron (except for
abstract patterns, for which a preprocessor has been contributed) and
has a lot of input from members of the schematron-love-in maillist.
Notable contrabutions are from Ken Holman, Dave Pawson and Florent
Georges. A variety of different output formats are available as
backends, including an ISO SVRL (Schematron Validation Report Language)
XML format and a terminate-on-first-error backend. (2) Topologi's Ant
Task for Schematron is available now in beta from Schematron.com. The
code will be available as open source, non-viral. Thanks for Allette
System's Christophe Lauret and Willi Ekasalim for doing the programming
on this. It can output text to standard error or collate all the
SVRLs into a single XML file. (3) Dave Pawson is writing a little
online book ISO Schematron tutorial concentrating on using Schematron
with XSLT2. I haven't reviewed it thoroughly yet, but Dave has a good
track record. (4) Mitre's Roger Costello has written up two pages 'Usage
and Features of Schematron' and 'Best way to phrase the Schematron
assertion text' that seem pretty sensible to me. Roger followed his
usual method of asking people on the XML-DEV maillist and compiling the
results. (5) Murata Makoto has been preparing the Japanese translation
of ISO Schematron, to be used as the text for the Japanese Industrial
Standard. He has also been translating other parts of ISO DSDL. The
great thing about diligent translators such as Dr Murata and Dr Komachi
is that they uncover many practical issues; in Schematron's case there
are a couple of paragraphs in the ISO standard that seem completely
reasonable when you know what they are supposed to mean, but actually
are pretty cryptic. Murata-san also has pointed out an improvement to
the formal specification of Schematron in predicate logic.

http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/02/schematron_news.html
See also Schematron references: http://xml.coverpages.org/schematron.html

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ENCOT: Emerging Network Communications and Technologies
COMAN: Network Control and Management
SERVI: Multi-technology service deployment and assurance
NGNUS: Next Generation Networks and Ubiquitous Services
MPQSI: Multi Provider QoS/SLA Internetworking
GRIDNS: Grid Networks and Services
EDNA: Emergency Services and Disaster Recovery of Networks and Applications

Re: [ANN] oXygen XML Editor 8.1

2007-02-07T07:11:33Z

Can anyone help me how I can validate an XML file against an XSD file which had the schemation rules embedded.
The XSD files has the schemation rules like assert and report.

I want to validate the xml file contents according to the rule.
Is there any API availble for my schematron validation

Thanks
Panneer

George Cristian Bina-2 wrote:

Hi,

I am glad to announce that a new version of the oXygen XML Editor is
available from our website
http://www.oxygenxml.com

oXygen supports many schema languages, not only for XML Schema, but also
XML Schema with embedded Schematron rules, Schematron, Relax NG, Relax
NG with embedded Schematron rules, NVDL (Namespace-based Validation and
Dispatching Language) and of course DTD.

Version 8.1 of the oXygen XML Editor improves the support for editing
NVDL scripts with visual diagrams, dynamic content completion,
navigation, search and refactoring and adds a number of enhancements,
fixes and component updates.
To find the full list of new additions and more details please visit:
http://www.oxygenxml.com/index.html#new-version

oXygen can be freely evaluated for 30 days and it costs USD 48/225/275
for the academic/professional/enterprise license respectively.

Best Regards,
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Call for Participation - Extreme markup 2007

2007-01-30T08:43:05Z

Hello public-schemata-users,

I'm forwarding this call for participation here, because Extreme
Markup is a good and interesting conference; note the mention of
RelaxNG and XSD in the call. I would really like to see something
about compound documents, NVDL, RelaxNG with Schematron, and so forth.

Talking of Schematron - does Xpath2 help for document-like XML, or
just for data-like XML?

Dates for papers etc (note - complete papers, not just abstracts; and
papers written in XML, not Word :) are in the call below.

I plan to be there - hope to see you there too!

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argumentative, welcoming, obstreperous conference on markup,
managing information, and information structures

CALL FOR PARTICIPATION
EXTREME MARKUP LANGUAGES 2007(r)
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THE MARKUP THEORY & PRACTICE CONFERENCE

Extreme is the leading international conference on markup theory and practice.
If you have interesting markup applications, difficult markup problems, or
intriguing solutions to problems related to the design and use of markup,
markup languages, or markup tools; if you want to know what the leading
theorists of markup are thinking; if you are the house markup expert and
want to spend time with your kind, then you should plan on attending
Extreme Markup Languages(r) 2007.

ABOUT THE CONFERENCE

Extreme is an open marketplace of theories about markup and all the
things that they support or that support them: the difficult cases in
publishing, linguistics, transformation, searching, indexing, and storage
and retrieval. At Extreme, markup enthusiasts gather each year to trade
in ideas, not to convince management to buy new stuff. At Extreme we push
the edges of markup theory & practice.

WHEN: August 7-10, 2007
WHERE: Montréal, Canada
HOST: IDEAlliance

HOW TO PARTICIPATE

You can participate in Extreme Markup Languages in several ways:
- Talk: submit a conference paper. Submit full papers in XML to
extreme@.... Guidelines and details at
http://www.extrememarkup.com/extreme/2007/submissions.html
- Review: serve as a peer reviewer. To apply to serve on the Peer
Review panel, follow the instructions (yes, this is a test) at:
http://www.mulberrytech.com/Extreme/Peer/ReviewAppForm.html
- Attend: come to the conference, listen to papers, learn about the
latest and best techniques, the hottest and most pressing problems,
the best and most promising solutions, and how the future of markup
is shaping up. Meet the people who are shaping that future. Also,
drink good coffee and eat great food in one of North America's
greatest cities.

TOPICS

Possible topics include, but are not limited to:
- XQuery, XSL-FO, XSLT, Pipelining, Topic Maps, RDF, TMQL,
DSDL, OWL, SGML, XML, XSD, RELAX NG ...
- markup for document production
- markup for preservation and reuse of cultural artifacts
- issues in the design and deployment of markup vocabularies
- engineering tradeoffs in the design of markup-driven systems
- overlapping structures and how to represent them
- bias, objectivity, neutrality and ontological commitment in
markup, markup design and software tools
- trees, tuples, sequences, directed graphs, and other data
structures for the representation of information
- better markup as a tool for making the Web more useful
- the future of multi-purpose content
- the future of structured documents
- designing, creating, using, mainipulating, and interpreting
marked-up content
- new markup-related tools
- markup semantics
- new approaches to old problems and new
- things you can and can't do with XML
- things it never occurred to you that anyone would want to
do with XML
- alternatives to popular specifications and techniques
- treating non-XML data as if it were XML
- treating XML data as if it were non-XML
- implementation reports: love songs or horror stories

IMPORTANT DATES

9 March 2007: Peer review applications due
20 April 2007: Paper submissions due
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[ANN] oXygen XML Editor 8.1

2007-01-26T04:52:16Z

Hi,

I am glad to announce that a new version of the oXygen XML Editor is
available from our website
http://www.oxygenxml.com

oXygen supports many schema languages, not only for XML Schema, but also
XML Schema with embedded Schematron rules, Schematron, Relax NG, Relax
NG with embedded Schematron rules, NVDL (Namespace-based Validation and
Dispatching Language) and of course DTD.

Version 8.1 of the oXygen XML Editor improves the support for editing
NVDL scripts with visual diagrams, dynamic content completion,
navigation, search and refactoring and adds a number of enhancements,
fixes and component updates.
To find the full list of new additions and more details please visit:
http://www.oxygenxml.com/index.html#new-version

oXygen can be freely evaluated for 30 days and it costs USD 48/225/275
for the academic/professional/enterprise license respectively.

Best Regards,
George
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[ANN] oNVDL version 20070122 - open source NVDL implementation based on Jing

2007-01-25T07:48:49Z

Hi,

I am happy to announce the availability of the second oNVDL release,
version 20070122 available from
http://www.oxygenxml.com/onvdl.html

oNVDL is an open source NVDL (Namespace-based Validation and Dispatching
Language) implementation based on Jing. It allows to invoke from NVDL
scripts validation against XML Schema, Relax NG and Schematron. The
oNVDL distribution includes binaries, source code and documentation.

oXygen XML Editor 8.1 comes with oNVDL 20070122 and provides support for
editing NVDL scripts and validating documents against NVDL scripts. The
support for NVDL was improved in oXygen XML Editor 8.1 with visual
diagrams, dynamic content completion, documentation for content
completion proposals, navigation, search and refactoring
http://www.oxygenxml.com/index.html#new-version

New in oNVDL 20070122

* The message element was rejected, reporting that it is not allowed -
fixed.
* Revert the changes made on Jing to handle any of the pattern
constraints, as in XML Schema, now it checks against all the pattern
constraints because Relax NG specifically requires this behavior.
* Update Xerces to Xerces 2.9.0
* Use the EntityResolver if specified in the AutoSchemaReader class.

Best Regards,
George
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Re: web site creation in XML

2007-01-03T22:20:11Z

Hi,

Thank Mr G. Ken Holman.

> Our web site (linked in my trailer below) is
> described in XML, authored in XML using a
> combination of XHTML and a custom vocabulary,
> produced using XSLT (converting the XHTML and
> custom vocabulary into pure HTML), and
> orchestrated and uploaded using a synthesized Ant
> script. The Ant is created by running XSLT against the XML site map.

The use of php was perhaps a "young mistake". Because I have not yet much xml file for my Website ( < 300) I think that i am going to investigate on the XSLT / XHTML in order to do use the best practices.

> My automation using a synthesized Ant script for
> every update ensures I miss nothing after
> spending hours changing pages all over my web
> site on my local copy, and then pressing the
> button and walking away to only regenerate and
> FTP upload those pages that have changed.

It is a point i did not include in my PHP script (nb :just update the changed files)...but it is never too late to do the best !

> I hope this is helpful.

Yes ! definetly. Thanks.

Regards,

Jerome Macheras.

Site : http://www.mes-biographies.com

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Re: web site creation in XML

2007-01-03T10:04:17Z

At 2007-01-03 15:16 +0000, Jérome Macheras wrote:
>I have implemented a script in php (by using
>free XML API) to generate a site in html by using XML files.

Kewl! Though I'm curious why you chose PHP.

Our web site (linked in my trailer below) is
described in XML, authored in XML using a
combination of XHTML and a custom vocabulary,
produced using XSLT (converting the XHTML and
custom vocabulary into pure HTML), and
orchestrated and uploaded using a synthesized Ant
script. The Ant is created by running XSLT against the XML site map.

>I processed like that for 2 reasons :
>
>1) to avoid multiple acces to an SQL database,
>2) to improve the productivity of the creation of document.
>
>Documents are described by theirs name, creation
>date, and various contents such as text area and pictures.

You might also consider doing headings and meta
data using a custom vocabulary and translating
that with your script into HTML. This will give
you a consistent look and feel across the web site.

I've taken extra advantage of the meta data in my
custom vocabulary to create two separate RSS
feeds, one for our training offerings and one for our free developer resources.

>The first question i have is did i made a good
>choice concerning the way of generate my website ?

I totally agree with your choice of describing
your web site ... your choice of generating it
with PHP is your choice not mine, but that isn't
a criticism of your approach. By describing your
web site in XML you gain consistency of
presentation. On our web site you'll see the same marginalia on all pages.

My automation using a synthesized Ant script for
every update ensures I miss nothing after
spending hours changing pages all over my web
site on my local copy, and then pressing the
button and walking away to only regenerate and
FTP upload those pages that have changed.

>The second one is is there a way to 'simply'
>develop a search engine based for instance on the Semantic Web ?

I'm sorry I cannot comment on that ... this is
not something I've felt to be important for my site.

I hope this is helpful.

. . . . . . . . . . Ken

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XML vs SQL database when creating a Web site

2007-01-03T07:16:37Z

Hi,

I have implemented a script in php (by using free XML API) to generate a site in html by using XML files. I processed like that for 2 reasons :

1) to avoid multiple acces to an SQL database,
2) to improve the productivity of the creation of document.

Documents are described by theirs name, creation date, and various contents such as text area and pictures.

The first question i have is did i made a good choice concerning the way of generate my website ?

The second one is is there a way to 'simply' develop a search engine based for instance on the Semantic Web ?

Thanks in advance,
Jerome Macheras.
mail : jerome.macheras@...
Site : http://www.mes-biographies.com

Re: multiple pattern facet conjunction

2007-01-01T21:22:20Z

> Easily. See the non-normative, but widely accepted, "Guidelines for
> using W3C XML Schema Datatypes with RELAX NG" at
> http://relaxng.org/xsd-20010907.html . Section 2 says (in part):

> # If the pattern parameter is specified more than once for a single
> # data element, then a string matches the data element only if it
> # matches all of the patterns.

Right, the same sentence I quoted in the original post. Thanks for
verifying that it means what I think it means, John. (I didn't think
I was going nuts, but sometimes it's good to be sure :-)

Re: multiple pattern facet conjunction

2006-12-30T14:42:39Z

Syd Bauman scripsit:

> Now, can anyone verify my belief that a Relax NG validator should
> require that the content of <duck> match *both* pattern R1 *and*
> pattern R2 given the following schema?
>
> datatypes xsd = "http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-datatypes"
> start =
> element test {
> element duck {
> xsd:token {
> pattern = "R1"
> pattern = "R2"
> }
> }+
> }

Easily. See the non-normative, but widely accepted,
"Guidelines for using W3C XML Schema Datatypes with RELAX NG" at
http://relaxng.org/xsd-20010907.html . Section 2 says (in part):

# If the pattern parameter is specified more than once for a single
# data element, then a string matches the data element only if it
# matches all of the patterns. It is an error to specify a parameter
# other than pattern more than once for a single data element.

The point is, of course, that the union of two patterns can be
easily expressed in RELAX NG using a choice, whereas the intersection
of two patterns cannot, since RELAX NG has no general intersection
operator.

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Re: multiple pattern facet conjunction

2006-12-30T13:47:14Z

Thanks for the quick and helpful reply, Michael.

> I think that's true; Schema 1.0 had a typo ('simpleType' for
> 'restriction' ...)

Good to know I'm not going nuts ... I did check the errata before
posting.

> That may be one reason that the paragraph in question has been
> deleted from the current draft of XML Schema 1.1 and the rule has
> been reworded.

Ah, check. I see that the paragraph has been deleted from
http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/#pattern-rep-constr, but where has
the rule about handing multiple patterns been moved to?

> > Second, the idea seems unhelpful. If I wanted two regular
> > expressions R1 and R2 to appear in a single regular expression as
> > separate branches, I could have just written "R1|R2", no?

> Yes. But not if you wished to annotate the two branches
> separately, either for a human reader or for a machine.

Good point. (Where's that /x modifier when you need it?)

> [Explanation of 'step' and of my examples.]
> I hope this helps.

Yes, it does; thanks again.

Now, can anyone verify my belief that a Relax NG validator should
require that the content of <duck> match *both* pattern R1 *and*
pattern R2 given the following schema?

datatypes xsd = "http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-datatypes"
start =
element test {
element duck {
xsd:token {
pattern = "R1"
pattern = "R2"
}
}+
}

Re: multiple pattern facet conjunction

2006-12-30T09:55:22Z

On 30 Dec 2006, at 04:46 , Syd Bauman wrote:

> The text of 4.3.4.3 seems problematic.
>
> If multiple <pattern> element information items appear as
> [children] of a <simpleType>, the [value]s should be combined as
> if they appeared in a single regular expression as separate
> branches.
>
> First, I am under the (perhaps erroneous) impression that a <pattern>
> element can not be the child of a <simpleType> element.

I think that's true; Schema 1.0 had a typo ('simpleType' for
'restriction'
-- not 'children' for 'descendant', though, since simple type
definitions
can nest). That may be one reason that the paragraph in question
has been deleted from the current draft of XML Schema 1.1 and
the rule has been reworded.

> Second, the idea seems unhelpful. If I wanted two regular expressions
> R1 and R2 to appear in a single regular expression as separate
> branches, I could have just written "R1|R2", no?

Yes. But not if you wished to annotate the two branches
separately, either for a human reader or for a machine.

> So my gut instinct
> is that this rule isn't useful, but I may be missing something.

It doesn't enlarge the expressive power of the language, as
regards validation, no.

> The note attached to 4.3.4.3 says
>
> ... pattern facets specified on the same step in a type derivation
> are ORed together, while pattern facets specified on different
> steps of a type derivation are ANDed together.
>
> but I have yet to really figure out what a "step" is.

A step is one derivation in a derivation chain.

When one defines type T1 as a restriction of some primitive
type, and T2 as a restriction of T1, and T3 as a restriction of
T2, one has a derivation chain with three steps. If patterns
P1 and P2 are specified as part of the definition of T1, and
P3 and P4 as part of the definition of T2 and T3 respectively,
then the lexical space of T3 contains only character
sequences which match P1|P2 and P3 and P4.

> <xs:element name="duck">
> <xs:simpleType>
> <xs:restriction>
> <xs:simpleType>
> <xs:restriction base="xs:token">
> <xs:pattern value="R1"/>
> <xs:pattern value="R2"/>
> </xs:restriction>
> </xs:simpleType>
> </xs:restriction>
> </xs:simpleType>
> </xs:element>
>
> My instinct is that this could be simplified to
>
> <xs:element name="duck">
> <xs:simpleType>
> <xs:restriction base="xs:token">
> <xs:pattern value="R1"/>
> <xs:pattern value="R2"/>
> </xs:restriction>
> </xs:simpleType>
> </xs:element>
>
> without any change to the set of documents that would be considered
> valid.

Yes. In the second formulation, 'duck' is a restriction of token; in
the second formulation, 'duck' is a vacuous restriction of an
anonymous type which is a restriction of token.

I hope this helps.

--C. M. Sperberg-McQueen

multiple pattern facet conjunction

2006-12-30T03:46:26Z

Previous-subject: "Re: [oXygen-user] wrong conjunction for multiple pattern facets?"

The following is a follow-on of a discussion that has been occurring
on the oxygen-user mailing list
(http://oxygenxml.com/mailman/listinfo/oxygen-user/).

It seems pretty clear that in RelaxNG, multiple occurrences of a
<param name='pattern"> inside a single <data> element (whose type=
must be a W3C datatype that allows the pattern facet) must all be
met, i.e., they are ANDed together. The following is from section 2
of "Guidelines for using W3C XML Schema Datatypes with RELAX NG"[1]

If the 'pattern' parameter is specified more than once for a
single 'data' element, then a string matches the 'data' element
only if it matches all of the patterns.

I think this means that if I have

<rng:element name="duck" datatypeLibrary="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-datatypes">
<rng:data type="token">
<rng:param name="pattern">R1</rng:param>
<rng:param name="pattern">R2</rng:param>
</rng:data>
</rng:element>

then the content of <duck> must match both R1 and R2 in order to be
valid. This seems to make a lot of sense. After all, if I had wanted
a string to be a valid <duck> if it matched R1 *or* R2, I could have
written

<rng:data type="token">
<rng:param name="pattern">(R1)|(R2)</rng:param>
</rng:data>

But in W3C XML Schema things seem a lot less clear, although this may
be because I am close to the furthest thing there is from an expert.
I was referred to section 4.3.4.3 of the spec[2]. I had never heard
of, let alone read, 4.3.4.3 before today. But upon reading it, I have
to admit I don't quite understand what it means, and whether or not
it has any significance with respect to RelaxNG validation. (I
suspect not.)

The text of 4.3.4.3 seems problematic.

If multiple <pattern> element information items appear as
[children] of a <simpleType>, the [value]s should be combined as
if they appeared in a single regular expression as separate
branches.

First, I am under the (perhaps erroneous) impression that a <pattern>
element can not be the child of a <simpleType> element. Although
perhaps the infoset definition of "children" includes descendants? (I
don't think it does -- I had thought "appearing immediately within
the current element" meant child, not descendant.)

Second, the idea seems unhelpful. If I wanted two regular expressions
R1 and R2 to appear in a single regular expression as separate
branches, I could have just written "R1|R2", no? So my gut instinct
is that this rule isn't useful, but I may be missing something.
(E.g., perhaps this is a general idea which, although not very useful
with regular expressions, is expected to be useful with some future
structures not yet devised?)

The note attached to 4.3.4.3 says

... pattern facets specified on the same step in a type derivation
are ORed together, while pattern facets specified on different
steps of a type derivation are ANDed together.

but I have yet to really figure out what a "step" is. However,
playing around a bit with the output of `trang`[3] is potentially
very instructive.

The following is the above RelaxNG schema fragment transformed into
W3C Schema; in the one test I performed (using xmllint) it validated
as I wanted: the contents of <duck> must match both R1 and R2.

<xs:element name="duck">
<xs:simpleType>
<xs:restriction>
<xs:simpleType>
<xs:restriction base="xs:token">
<xs:pattern value="R1"/>
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
<xs:pattern value="R2"/>
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>

A minor change, as follows, caused strings matching either R1 or R2
to be considered valid.

<xs:element name="duck">
<xs:simpleType>
<xs:restriction>
<xs:simpleType>
<xs:restriction base="xs:token">
<xs:pattern value="R1"/>
<xs:pattern value="R2"/>
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>

My instinct is that this could be simplified to

<xs:element name="duck">
<xs:simpleType>
<xs:restriction base="xs:token">
<xs:pattern value="R1"/>
<xs:pattern value="R2"/>
</xs:restriction>
</xs:simpleType>
</xs:element>

without any change to the set of documents that would be considered
valid.

Have I got any of this right?

Note
----
[1] Which I found at http://relaxng.org/xsd-20010907.html; it is
linked to from the main RelaxNG home page.
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/#src-multiple-patterns
[3] Version 20030619.

W3C Basic XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Last Call Review

2006-11-29T13:28:38Z

The W3C XML Schema Patterns for Databinding WG [1]
has published a Last Call Working Draft of the
"Basic XML Schema Patterns for Databinding 1.0"
specification [2].

The Last Call review period closed on Jan 12 2007.

We look forward to receiving any comments you may have -
instructions on filing comments can be found in the Status section.

Paul
--
on behalf of the W3C XML Schema Patterns for Databinding WG

[1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xmlschema-patterns-20061122/

[ANN] oXygen XML Editor 8.0

2006-11-20T07:15:22Z

Hi,

I am glad to announce that a new major version of the oXygen XML Editor
is available from our website
http://www.oxygenxml.com
Version 8.0 of the oXygen XML Editor adds as main features a
spreadsheet-like XML Grid Editor, management support for major XML and
relational databases, the options and transformation scenarios can be
stored inside the project file and more.
oXygen XML editor is the first tool that adds support for NVDL
(Namespace-based Validation Dispatching Language) scripts, thus enabling
editing documents with complex structure, that contain multiple
languages defined by different schemas (XML Schema, Schematron, Relax
NG), for instance XHTML with embedded XForms.

To find the full list of new additions and more details please visit:
http://www.oxygenxml.com/index.html#new-version

Best Regards,
George
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