web architecture and safe content

[Mukul Gandhi]

Hi all,
  I have been thinking about this subject for a while, and thought of
writing about it here, to see if anyone on W3C TAG member list is
interested in this topic.

  I like the following Google search engine preferences page:
http://www.google.com/preferences

We can simply set some search preferences here, and the Google search
engine obeys these preferences very well.
I particularly found the preference, "SafeSearch Filtering" quite
useful. We can set these preferences, without logging into Google
account, and that looks nice to me. These preference settings must be
made separately on each different web browser, installed on the same
machine.

I feel, a preferences like, "SafeSearch Filtering" must be part of W3C
web architecture (or perhaps some kind of search engine guidelines).
All search engines must provide such an option, else they should be
considered non-compliant to exist on web.

I could not see this option in Yahoo search engine. I couldn't look at
other search engines.

Since web impacts society as whole, I feel there should be some
mechanism of enforcing such standards, which affect some people's
lives.

I even wrote a blog post, somewhat relate to this topic (ref,
http://mukulgandhi.blogspot.com/2009/10/saving-electricity-while-using.html).

Any comments please, on this topic?


--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[Karl Dubost-2]

Le 11 oct. 2009 à 08:56, Mukul Gandhi a écrit :
> I feel, a preferences like, "SafeSearch Filtering" must be part of W3C
> web architecture (or perhaps some kind of search engine guidelines).

What is "Safe" is very dependent on one's culture.
Example: a singer nipple on stage made a big mess in USA when it would  
not have raised any eyebrows in some european countries.
Many examples can be chosen for language level, political ideas, etc.

It is then almost impossible to label photos in a binary safe or not  
safe way. There are many types of safe or non safe which depends on  
the individual and one's community. Maybe a better option would be to  
develop community trust mechanisms. One's would rely on his/her  
community notion of safe URIs (system of shared bookmarking etc.) That  
would make an interesting semantic Web project.

POWDER is an attempt at that, labeling web pages.
see http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-powder-primer-20090901/


--
Karl Dubost
Montréal, QC, Canada

[Mukul Gandhi]

I am currently not debating, what is good or what is bad to see on
internet. Something good for me, could be bad for somebody else. This
is also true between people in a single country.

But differences of thoughts, doesn't mean we can put anything on a
public medium (a web in this case) and have it accessible to all. As
we can see, a preference page like I cited on Google's search engine,
can help us control what we want to see in web search results.
Perhaps, W3C might develop guidelines for search engine behaviour,
keeping in view the world perspective.

I don't like good and bad content sitting side by side on the web. I
have some ideas, how this problem can be solved. One solution could
be, I think it's good if we can have 3 kinds of ISP subscription
systems:

1. No content restriction (this is like the present web)
2. Content, not having adult pages (this is good for kids and students)
3. Only adult content

We should be able to subscribe to any of these ISP subscription plans.
Currently, I think ISPs all around the world, offer only option 1.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Karl Dubost <karl@...> wrote:

>
> Le 11 oct. 2009 à 08:56, Mukul Gandhi a écrit :
>>
>> I feel, a preferences like, "SafeSearch Filtering" must be part of W3C
>> web architecture (or perhaps some kind of search engine guidelines).
>
> What is "Safe" is very dependent on one's culture.
> Example: a singer nipple on stage made a big mess in USA when it would not
> have raised any eyebrows in some european countries.
> Many examples can be chosen for language level, political ideas, etc.
>
> It is then almost impossible to label photos in a binary safe or not safe
> way. There are many types of safe or non safe which depends on the
> individual and one's community. Maybe a better option would be to develop
> community trust mechanisms. One's would rely on his/her community notion of
> safe URIs (system of shared bookmarking etc.) That would make an interesting
> semantic Web project.
>
> POWDER is an attempt at that, labeling web pages.
> see http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-powder-primer-20090901/
>
>
> --
> Karl Dubost
> Montréal, QC, Canada

--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[Dan Brickley-2]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Karl Dubost <karl@...> wrote:

>
> Le 11 oct. 2009 à 08:56, Mukul Gandhi a écrit :
>>
>> I feel, a preferences like, "SafeSearch Filtering" must be part of W3C
>> web architecture (or perhaps some kind of search engine guidelines).
>
> What is "Safe" is very dependent on one's culture.
> Example: a singer nipple on stage made a big mess in USA when it would not
> have raised any eyebrows in some european countries.
> Many examples can be chosen for language level, political ideas, etc.
>
> It is then almost impossible to label photos in a binary safe or not safe
> way. There are many types of safe or non safe which depends on the
> individual and one's community. Maybe a better option would be to develop
> community trust mechanisms. One's would rely on his/her community notion of
> safe URIs (system of shared bookmarking etc.) That would make an interesting
> semantic Web project.
>
> POWDER is an attempt at that, labeling web pages.
> see http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-powder-primer-20090901/

Yup. POWDER adds to RDF's expressivity one small but critical thing
that was missing in the older PICS standard; a way to say that a
description applies to anything whose URI matches some regular
expression.

A pre-POWDER format, RDF-WCL is available at
http://www.playboy.com/labels.rdf and gives the general idea, in this
case a label for Web content on playboy.com summarised as claiming
"Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence; Mild
expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
content; This material appears in an artistic context;" ...

Youou might dispute that last point, ... but to me that *is* the
point. Different parties can make broadly interoperable claims using
the same system, even to the extent of agreeing or disagreeing on the
rating vocabulary.

W3C has an old statement of principles document on just this,
http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-PICS-Statement and which discusses many of
the points bound to re-emerge when the use of RDF or POWDER is
considered for such applications.

cheers,

Dan

[Mukul Gandhi]

Hello Karl,
   I am sorry, I am copying this message to the list. I don't intend
to offend you :(
I want to have this discussion on the list.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Karl Dubost <karl@...> wrote:
> I think I failed to make me clear. :)

I actually appreciate your view point.

>
> explicit images are not universal.

I agree. Certain societies (I would say, certain section of people
anywhere in the world) like seeing explicit images. But to satisfy
these group of people, the web is denying options for users, who do
not want to see these images. A kid just wants to study on web. He/she
should not be distracted by explicit images, existing side by side on
the web.
The web as it exists today, looks like a giant newspaper (of course
with, lot of interactivity) to me. The morning newspaper that I read,
does not have explicit images printed in it. I want distribution of
content on web to be something like a newspaper or a television. Like
newspaper, I do not subscribe adult movies on television, if there are
small kids in my house. The web currently, does not provide such
subscription mechanism.
Now that almost everywhere in the world, we are relying on web for
carrying out important activities and transactions, IMHO users must
have option to subscribe to multiple types of content (something like,
three content categories I mentioned earlier). To enable this, there
should be appropriate technologies available, and ISPs need to provide
such subscription mechanism.

> A nipple is not adult content depending on where you are.
> Even better example just a leg could be considered explicit content at some
> places.

I agree. These images are not adult, as per my view too.

>
> explicit content of Google is the Google view of explicit content.

I agree.


--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[Mukul Gandhi]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@...> wrote:
> A pre-POWDER format, RDF-WCL is available at
> http://www.playboy.com/labels.rdf and gives the general idea, in this
> case a label for Web content on playboy.com summarised as claiming
> "Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence; Mild
> expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
> content; This material appears in an artistic context;" ...

If I remember correctly, playboy.com is an adult site (according to
me!). Many people say, that what is an adult content is perceived
differently by different people.

You cannot expect us (at least me I guess) to read a technical
artifact, from an adult site :) It should have been made available on
perhaps, W3C site.


--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[Dan Brickley-2]

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mukul Gandhi <gandhi.mukul@...> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@...> wrote:
>> A pre-POWDER format, RDF-WCL is available at
>> http://www.playboy.com/labels.rdf and gives the general idea, in this
>> case a label for Web content on playboy.com summarised as claiming
>> "Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence; Mild
>> expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
>> content; This material appears in an artistic context;" ...
>
> If I remember correctly, playboy.com is an adult site (according to
> me!). Many people say, that what is an adult content is perceived
> differently by different people.
>
> You cannot expect us (at least me I guess) to read a technical
> artifact, from an adult site :) It should have been made available on
> perhaps, W3C site.

It's also available from archive.org, eg. try
http://web.archive.org/web/20080516221554/http://www.playboy.com/labels.rdf

I'll include a version below, so it'll be in W3C archives too. Either
way, it contains no adult content directly, unless you consider the
words 'buttocks', 'breasts' etc to be intrinsically problematic...

cheers,

Dan

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<rdf:RDF
  xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
  xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
  xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
  xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
  xmlns:label="http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#"
  xmlns:icra="http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#">

  <rdf:Description rdf:about="">
    <dc:creator rdf:resource="http://www.icra.org" />
    <dcterms:issued>2007-3-27</dcterms:issued>
    <label:authorityFor>http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#</label:authorityFor>
  </rdf:Description>

  <label:Ruleset>

    <label:hasHostRestrictions>
      <label:Hosts>
        <label:hostRestriction>playboy.com</label:hostRestriction>
      </label:Hosts>
    </label:hasHostRestrictions>
    <label:hasDefaultLabel rdf:resource="#label_1" />
  </label:Ruleset>

  <label:ContentLabel rdf:ID="label_1">

    <rdfs:comment>Label for all/most of website</rdfs:comment>
    <icra:na>1</icra:na>
    <icra:nb>1</icra:nb>
    <icra:sf>1</icra:sf>
    <icra:vz>1</icra:vz>
    <icra:lc>1</icra:lc>

    <icra:oz>1</icra:oz>
    <icra:cz>1</icra:cz>
    <label:hasModifier><icra:xa /></label:hasModifier>
    <rdfs:label>Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;
Mild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
content; This material appears in an artistic context; </rdfs:label>
  </label:ContentLabel>

</rdf:RDF>

[Mukul Gandhi]

Thanks, Dan for sharing the RDF code.

I am not too much familiar with RDF syntax. I'll try to read more
about RDF, to learn how it helps with this issue.

I appreciate your taking interest in this topic.

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@...> wrote:

> I'll include a version below, so it'll be in W3C archives too. Either
> way, it contains no adult content directly, unless you consider the
> words 'buttocks', 'breasts' etc to be intrinsically problematic...
>
> cheers,
>
> Dan
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
> <rdf:RDF
>  xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
>  xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
>  xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
>  xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
>  xmlns:label="http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#"
>  xmlns:icra="http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#">
>
>  <rdf:Description rdf:about="">
>    <dc:creator rdf:resource="http://www.icra.org" />
>    <dcterms:issued>2007-3-27</dcterms:issued>
>    <label:authorityFor>http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#</label:authorityFor>
>  </rdf:Description>
>
>  <label:Ruleset>
>
>    <label:hasHostRestrictions>
>      <label:Hosts>
>        <label:hostRestriction>playboy.com</label:hostRestriction>
>      </label:Hosts>
>    </label:hasHostRestrictions>
>    <label:hasDefaultLabel rdf:resource="#label_1" />
>  </label:Ruleset>
>
>  <label:ContentLabel rdf:ID="label_1">
>
>    <rdfs:comment>Label for all/most of website</rdfs:comment>
>    <icra:na>1</icra:na>
>    <icra:nb>1</icra:nb>
>    <icra:sf>1</icra:sf>
>    <icra:vz>1</icra:vz>
>    <icra:lc>1</icra:lc>
>
>    <icra:oz>1</icra:oz>
>    <icra:cz>1</icra:cz>
>    <label:hasModifier><icra:xa /></label:hasModifier>
>    <rdfs:label>Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;
> Mild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
> content; This material appears in an artistic context; </rdfs:label>
>  </label:ContentLabel>
>
> </rdf:RDF>

--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[David Booth-6]

Mukul,

Be forewarned that the RDF/XML syntax is quite awkward to read (IMO).
There are other syntaxes for RDF that are more human friendly.  One is
N3:
http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/Primer 
Another (actually a subset of N3) is N-triples:
http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-testcases/#ntriples 

Here is a converter that transforms RDF/XML to N3 or N-triples:
http://www.mindswap.org/2002/rdfconvert/ 

Below is the same RDF content that Dan Brickley sent, serialized as N3
and N-triples syntax.

========================  N3 ===========================

#Processed by Id: cwm.py,v 1.144 2003/09/14 20:20:20 timbl Exp
        #    using base file:/tmp/tmpCfnXdZ-rdfconverter
       
#  Notation3 generation by
#       notation3.py,v 1.148 2003/12/04 21:20:17 timbl Exp

#   Base was: file:/tmp/tmpCfnXdZ-rdfconverter
     @prefix : <#> .
     @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> .
     @prefix dcterms: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> .
     @prefix icra: <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#> .
     @prefix label: <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#> .
     @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
     @prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .
   
    <>     dc:creator <http://www.icra.org>;
         dcterms:issued "2007-3-27";
         label:authorityFor "http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#" .
      [      a label:Ruleset;
             label:hasDefaultLabel :label_1;
             label:hasHostRestrictions  [
                 a label:Hosts;
                 label:hostRestriction "playboy.com" ] ].
   
    :label_1     a label:ContentLabel;
         icra:cz "1";
         icra:lc "1";
         icra:na "1";
         icra:nb "1";
         icra:oz "1";
         icra:sf "1";
         icra:vz "1";
         rdfs:comment "Label for all/most of website";
         rdfs:label """Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;
Mild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
content; This material appears in an artistic context; """;
         label:hasModifier  [
             a icra:xa ] .
   
#ENDS

======================== N-Triples ========================

<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter>     <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> <http://www.icra.org> .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter>     <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2007-3-27" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter>     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#authorityFor> "http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#ContentLabel> .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#cz> "1" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#lc> "1" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#na> "1" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#nb> "1" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#oz> "1" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#sf> "1" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#vz> "1" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#comment> "Label for all/most of website" .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#label> "Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;\nMild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated\ncontent; This material appears in an artistic context; " .
<file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hasModifier> _:ag2 .
_:ag2     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#xa> .
_:ag1     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#Hosts> .
_:ag1     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hostRestriction> "playboy.com" .
_:ag0     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#Ruleset> .
_:ag0     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hasDefaultLabel> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1> .
_:ag0     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hasHostRestrictions> _:ag1 .

======================================================================

David Booth

On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:27 +0530, Mukul Gandhi wrote:

> Thanks, Dan for sharing the RDF code.
>
> I am not too much familiar with RDF syntax. I'll try to read more
> about RDF, to learn how it helps with this issue.
>
> I appreciate your taking interest in this topic.
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@...> wrote:
> > I'll include a version below, so it'll be in W3C archives too. Either
> > way, it contains no adult content directly, unless you consider the
> > words 'buttocks', 'breasts' etc to be intrinsically problematic...
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
> > <rdf:RDF
> >  xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
> >  xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
> >  xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
> >  xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
> >  xmlns:label="http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#"
> >  xmlns:icra="http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#">
> >
> >  <rdf:Description rdf:about="">
> >    <dc:creator rdf:resource="http://www.icra.org" />
> >    <dcterms:issued>2007-3-27</dcterms:issued>
> >    <label:authorityFor>http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#</label:authorityFor>
> >  </rdf:Description>
> >
> >  <label:Ruleset>
> >
> >    <label:hasHostRestrictions>
> >      <label:Hosts>
> >        <label:hostRestriction>playboy.com</label:hostRestriction>
> >      </label:Hosts>
> >    </label:hasHostRestrictions>
> >    <label:hasDefaultLabel rdf:resource="#label_1" />
> >  </label:Ruleset>
> >
> >  <label:ContentLabel rdf:ID="label_1">
> >
> >    <rdfs:comment>Label for all/most of website</rdfs:comment>
> >    <icra:na>1</icra:na>
> >    <icra:nb>1</icra:nb>
> >    <icra:sf>1</icra:sf>
> >    <icra:vz>1</icra:vz>
> >    <icra:lc>1</icra:lc>
> >
> >    <icra:oz>1</icra:oz>
> >    <icra:cz>1</icra:cz>
> >    <label:hasModifier><icra:xa /></label:hasModifier>
> >    <rdfs:label>Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;
> > Mild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
> > content; This material appears in an artistic context; </rdfs:label>
> >  </label:ContentLabel>
> >
> > </rdf:RDF>
>
>
>

--
David Booth, Ph.D.
Cleveland Clinic (contractor)

Opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily
reflect those of Cleveland Clinic.

[Mukul Gandhi]

I have no doubt RDF is useful for the web. W3C is actually doing a
great job in developing technologies, which helps the web and all of
us.

I am actually looking for a subscription based service from ISPs,
where I should be able to opt for say:
1) The present web
2) Non adult web
3) Adult web

I am not sure, if anybody else feels such a need. I also feel, it's
challanging to separate web content on the basis of above criteria.
Filtering binary images is challanging, I guess.

I think, if we achive such a separation of content, and provide these
kinds of subsriptions to users, web could truly become a media like a
newspaper or television. At present, there seems to be no regulatory
structure and enforcement of content on the web.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:22 PM, David Booth <david@...> wrote:

> Mukul,
>
> Be forewarned that the RDF/XML syntax is quite awkward to read (IMO).
> There are other syntaxes for RDF that are more human friendly.  One is
> N3:
> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/Primer
> Another (actually a subset of N3) is N-triples:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-testcases/#ntriples
>
> Here is a converter that transforms RDF/XML to N3 or N-triples:
> http://www.mindswap.org/2002/rdfconvert/
>
> Below is the same RDF content that Dan Brickley sent, serialized as N3
> and N-triples syntax.
>
> ========================  N3 ===========================
>
> #Processed by Id: cwm.py,v 1.144 2003/09/14 20:20:20 timbl Exp
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> #       notation3.py,v 1.148 2003/12/04 21:20:17 timbl Exp
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> #   Base was: file:/tmp/tmpCfnXdZ-rdfconverter
>     @prefix : <#> .
>     @prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/> .
>     @prefix dcterms: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> .
>     @prefix icra: <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#> .
>     @prefix label: <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#> .
>     @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
>     @prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .
>
>    <>     dc:creator <http://www.icra.org>;
>         dcterms:issued "2007-3-27";
>         label:authorityFor "http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#" .
>      [      a label:Ruleset;
>             label:hasDefaultLabel :label_1;
>             label:hasHostRestrictions  [
>                 a label:Hosts;
>                 label:hostRestriction "playboy.com" ] ].
>
>    :label_1     a label:ContentLabel;
>         icra:cz "1";
>         icra:lc "1";
>         icra:na "1";
>         icra:nb "1";
>         icra:oz "1";
>         icra:sf "1";
>         icra:vz "1";
>         rdfs:comment "Label for all/most of website";
>         rdfs:label """Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;
> Mild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
> content; This material appears in an artistic context; """;
>         label:hasModifier  [
>             a icra:xa ] .
>
> #ENDS
>
> ======================== N-Triples ========================
>
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter>     <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> <http://www.icra.org> .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter>     <http://purl.org/dc/terms/issued> "2007-3-27" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter>     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#authorityFor> "http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#ContentLabel> .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#cz> "1" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#lc> "1" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#na> "1" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#nb> "1" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#oz> "1" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#sf> "1" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#vz> "1" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#comment> "Label for all/most of website" .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#label> "Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;\nMild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated\ncontent; This material appears in an artistic context; " .
> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1>     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hasModifier> _:ag2 .
> _:ag2     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#xa> .
> _:ag1     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#Hosts> .
> _:ag1     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hostRestriction> "playboy.com" .
> _:ag0     <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#Ruleset> .
> _:ag0     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hasDefaultLabel> <file:/tmp/tmprbjeFO-rdfconverter#label_1> .
> _:ag0     <http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#hasHostRestrictions> _:ag1 .
>
> ======================================================================
>
> David Booth
>
> On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 23:27 +0530, Mukul Gandhi wrote:
>> Thanks, Dan for sharing the RDF code.
>>
>> I am not too much familiar with RDF syntax. I'll try to read more
>> about RDF, to learn how it helps with this issue.
>>
>> I appreciate your taking interest in this topic.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Dan Brickley <danbri@...> wrote:
>> > I'll include a version below, so it'll be in W3C archives too. Either
>> > way, it contains no adult content directly, unless you consider the
>> > words 'buttocks', 'breasts' etc to be intrinsically problematic...
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
>> > <rdf:RDF
>> >  xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
>> >  xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#"
>> >  xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
>> >  xmlns:dcterms="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
>> >  xmlns:label="http://www.w3.org/2004/12/q/contentlabel#"
>> >  xmlns:icra="http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#">
>> >
>> >  <rdf:Description rdf:about="">
>> >    <dc:creator rdf:resource="http://www.icra.org" />
>> >    <dcterms:issued>2007-3-27</dcterms:issued>
>> >    <label:authorityFor>http://www.icra.org/rdfs/vocabularyv03#</label:authorityFor>
>> >  </rdf:Description>
>> >
>> >  <label:Ruleset>
>> >
>> >    <label:hasHostRestrictions>
>> >      <label:Hosts>
>> >        <label:hostRestriction>playboy.com</label:hostRestriction>
>> >      </label:Hosts>
>> >    </label:hasHostRestrictions>
>> >    <label:hasDefaultLabel rdf:resource="#label_1" />
>> >  </label:Ruleset>
>> >
>> >  <label:ContentLabel rdf:ID="label_1">
>> >
>> >    <rdfs:comment>Label for all/most of website</rdfs:comment>
>> >    <icra:na>1</icra:na>
>> >    <icra:nb>1</icra:nb>
>> >    <icra:sf>1</icra:sf>
>> >    <icra:vz>1</icra:vz>
>> >    <icra:lc>1</icra:lc>
>> >
>> >    <icra:oz>1</icra:oz>
>> >    <icra:cz>1</icra:cz>
>> >    <label:hasModifier><icra:xa /></label:hasModifier>
>> >    <rdfs:label>Exposed breasts; Bare buttocks; Erotica; No violence;
>> > Mild expletives; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated
>> > content; This material appears in an artistic context; </rdfs:label>
>> >  </label:ContentLabel>
>> >
>> > </rdf:RDF>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> David Booth, Ph.D.
> Cleveland Clinic (contractor)
>
> Opinions expressed herein are those of the author and do not necessarily
> reflect those of Cleveland Clinic.

--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[Jonathan Rees-3]

I'm sorry, isn't this exactly what the POWDER architecture is for?
Have you looked at it?

This is a technical list and probably not the best place to talk about
regulation.

Jonathan

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Mukul Gandhi <gandhi.mukul@...> wrote:

> I have no doubt RDF is useful for the web. W3C is actually doing a
> great job in developing technologies, which helps the web and all of
> us.
>
> I am actually looking for a subscription based service from ISPs,
> where I should be able to opt for say:
> 1) The present web
> 2) Non adult web
> 3) Adult web
>
> I am not sure, if anybody else feels such a need. I also feel, it's
> challanging to separate web content on the basis of above criteria.
> Filtering binary images is challanging, I guess.
>
> I think, if we achive such a separation of content, and provide these
> kinds of subsriptions to users, web could truly become a media like a
> newspaper or television. At present, there seems to be no regulatory
> structure and enforcement of content on the web.

[Jonathan Rees-3]

Please ignore my previous post. I will now awkwardly bow out.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Jonathan Rees <jar@...> wrote:
> I'm sorry, isn't this exactly what the ...

[Mukul Gandhi]

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Jonathan Rees <jar@...> wrote:
> I'm sorry, isn't this exactly what the POWDER architecture is for?
> Have you looked at it?

Thanks. I'll read about POWDER. It looks like a useful technology in
this area. But POWDER seems a relatively new technology (published by
W3C in Sep 2009). It'll be interesting to see, how soon we could see
implementations for it, and how the web uses it in next few years.

> This is a technical list and probably not the best place to talk about
> regulation.

I agree.

Web is certainly tremendously useful, and W3C has developed great
technologies. But now since the whole society is using the web (like
television or a newspaper), I think it the responsibility of our
society to regulate web content in some way. If we want the whole
planet to use the web, without any content regulation and enforcement,
I think that's not entirely the right situation for the society.

I feel, we already have certain regulations (though, it looks
appearing regionally in some countries) which define the web content,
and how people must use the web. But I see almost no societal impact,
of such regulations. These regulations look something, like jumping a
red light on the road! Most of the time, such violations are
undetected, and if detected people get away with minimal penalty.


--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[Mukul Gandhi]

I gave this issue, some more thought and I guess following is a
solution which might work.

To my opinion, I think we require only two kinds of web content
partitioning for users:
1. Present web
2. Non adult web

To provide a non adult web, ISPs can apply URL filtering at their end
(this could be done, easily with a good firewall I guess) and provide
access to good search engines. I can find Google's search engine to
already be implementing adult content filtering, via the preference
page, http://www.google.com/preferences. So Google can be the search
engine to start with.

When I subscribe to a non adult web from an ISP, an ISP can give me
access to say 1000 good web URLs (say major news sites all around the
world, some financial sites, and so on). These 1000 good web URLs
could be organized in a directory. Apart from the 1000 good web URLs,
I need to have access to a search engine, like Google which allows me
to search a non adult web in entirety. I think, ISPs can partner with
search engine providers to be able to allow subscribers, to browse
only non adult content. I feel, this could be technically feasible.

There could be some regulator, who could be monitoring the quality of
non adult web offered by ISPs. I don't know, how a regulator could be
asked to monitor all this. But I think this is necessary, keeping in
mind the safety of people.

I think, to provide all this to users, ISPs can just partner with
search engine providers, and this could be going forward pretty fast.

Any thoughts, please about this?

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Jonathan Rees <jar@...> wrote:
> I'm sorry, isn't this exactly what the POWDER architecture is for?
> Have you looked at it?
>
> This is a technical list and probably not the best place to talk about
> regulation.
>
> Jonathan


--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi

[Pat Hayes]

On Oct 14, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Mukul Gandhi wrote:

> I gave this issue, some more thought and I guess following is a
> solution which might work.

It will not, and in any case there is no problem that needs a solution.

> To my opinion, I think we require only two kinds of web content
> partitioning for users:
> 1. Present web
> 2. Non adult web
>
> To provide a non adult web, ISPs can apply URL filtering at their end
> (this could be done, easily with a good firewall I guess) and provide
> access to good search engines. I can find Google's search engine to
> already be implementing adult content filtering, via the preference
> page, http://www.google.com/preferences. So Google can be the search
> engine to start with.
>
> When I subscribe to a non adult web from an ISP, an ISP can give me
> access to say 1000 good web URLs (say major news sites all around the
> world, some financial sites, and so on)

What criteria are you using for "good"? I myself use the web to  
investigate trends in contemporary art, for example. Financial sites  
are about as bad as it gets, for me. How will you define "good" so  
that it works for 14 million people?

> . These 1000 good web URLs
> could be organized in a directory. Apart from the 1000 good web URLs,
> I need to have access to a search engine, like Google which allows me
> to search a non adult web in entirety. I think, ISPs can partner with
> search engine providers to be able to allow subscribers, to browse
> only non adult content. I feel, this could be technically feasible.

It is not, because there is no agreement about what constitutes 'non  
adult content'. And in any case, being an adult, I rather want to see  
adult content. I presume you mean pornographic: if so, you should say  
so explicitly. There is also no universally accepted criterion for  
what is pornographic, however. The legal boundaries defining such  
things are local, culturally dependent, and change with time. There is  
almost nothing that is not found annoying or offensive by some people.  
I myself am regularly offended by public displays of irrational  
superstition, but I do not seek to control all so-called "religious"  
content on the Web. LIke the pornography, I simply ignore it. It is  
not hard to ignore.

> There could be some regulator, who could be monitoring the quality of
> non adult web offered by ISPs. I don't know, how a regulator could be
> asked to monitor all this. But I think this is necessary, keeping in
> mind the safety of people.

It is obviously not possible to have such a 'regulator' (an Ayatollah  
of human communication for the whole planet?), and it is also obvious  
that no such regulator is needed, in any case.

> I think, to provide all this to users, ISPs can just partner with
> search engine providers, and this could be going forward pretty fast.
>
> Any thoughts, please about this?

It is complete nonsense. People will go on publishing stuff that other  
people consider offensive. There is no way to prevent or regulate  
this, nor should there be. Get used to it. If something offends you,  
stop looking at it.

Pat Hayes

>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Jonathan Rees <jar@...
> > wrote:
>> I'm sorry, isn't this exactly what the POWDER architecture is for?
>> Have you looked at it?
>>
>> This is a technical list and probably not the best place to talk  
>> about
>> regulation.
>>
>> Jonathan
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mukul Gandhi
>
>

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[Mukul Gandhi]

Thanks, for your remarks.

Though, I agree to some of your points. I withdraw this discussion,
and leave up to W3C to decide what is right for the web.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Pat Hayes <phayes@...> wrote:

> What criteria are you using for "good"? I myself use the web to investigate
> trends in contemporary art, for example. Financial sites are about as bad as
> it gets, for me. How will you define "good" so that it works for 14 million
> people?
>
>
> It is not, because there is no agreement about what constitutes 'non adult
> content'. And in any case, being an adult, I rather want to see adult
> content. I presume you mean pornographic: if so, you should say so
> explicitly. There is also no universally accepted criterion for what is
> pornographic, however. The legal boundaries defining such things are local,
> culturally dependent, and change with time. There is almost nothing that is
> not found annoying or offensive by some people. I myself am regularly
> offended by public displays of irrational superstition, but I do not seek to
> control all so-called "religious" content on the Web. LIke the pornography,
> I simply ignore it. It is not hard to ignore.
>

>
> It is obviously not possible to have such a 'regulator' (an Ayatollah of
> human communication for the whole planet?), and it is also obvious that no
> such regulator is needed, in any case.
>
>
> It is complete nonsense. People will go on publishing stuff that other
> people consider offensive. There is no way to prevent or regulate this, nor
> should there be. Get used to it. If something offends you, stop looking at
> it.

--
Regards,
Mukul Gandhi