why no Oracle on FreeBSD ?

[Saifi Khan-6]

Hi:

This is a newbie query.

i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html

What could be the reason for that ?


thanks
Saifi.

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[Julian H. Stacey-3]

Saifi Khan wrote:
> Hi:
>
> This is a newbie query.
>
> i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
>
> What could be the reason for that ?

Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.

If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.

Cheers,
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[Saifi Khan-6]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

> Saifi Khan wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > This is a newbie query.
> >
> > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
> >
> > What could be the reason for that ?
>
> Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
> IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.
>
> If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
> consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
>
> Cheers,
> Julian
> --

i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?


thanks
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[Julian H. Stacey-3]

> > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
> > >
> > > What could be the reason for that ?
> >
> > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
> > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.
> >
> > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
> > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Julian
> > --
>
> i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?

Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.

Cheers,
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[Saifi Khan-6]

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

> > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> > > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
> > > >
> > > > What could be the reason for that ?
> > >
> > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
> > > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.
> > >
> > > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
> > > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Julian
> > > --
> >
> > i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?
>
> Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
> I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.
>

Hi Julian:

Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting,


"""
FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with
the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading,
full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many
things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you
can not just kludge your way into this.

What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD
is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same
place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity.

Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real
operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this
thead. And as an additional value it will support the Oracle
technology stack while you are still young enough to use it.
"""

and
"""
IF you can match up the system calls, then you can 'make it
work'.
"""

The relevant  links are
1.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0
2.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 

The response seems to suggest that there is some feature used by
Oracle which is expected from a UNIX Sys 5 std and perhaps
FreeBSD does not support/have the syscall.

Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ?


thanks
Saifi.

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[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

Saifi Khan <saifi.khan@...> writes:
> The response seems to suggest [...]

...nothing except that whoever wrote it has absolutely no idea what
they're talking about.

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[krad-2]

2009/9/25 Saifi Khan <saifi.khan@...>

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>
> > > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> > > > >
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > What could be the reason for that ?
> > > >
> > > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
> > > > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.
> > > >
> > > > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
> > > > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Julian
> > > > --
> > >
> > > i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?
> >
> > Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
> > I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.
> >
>
> Hi Julian:
>
> Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting,
>
>
> """
> FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with
> the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading,
> full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many
> things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you
> can not just kludge your way into this.
>
> What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD
> is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same
> place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity.
>
> Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real
> operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this
> thead. And as an additional value it will support the Oracle
> technology stack while you are still young enough to use it.
> """
>
> and
> """
> IF you can match up the system calls, then you can 'make it
> work'.
> """
>
> The relevant  links are
> 1.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0
> 2.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0
>
> The response seems to suggest that there is some feature used by
> Oracle which is expected from a UNIX Sys 5 std and perhaps
> FreeBSD does not support/have the syscall.
>
> Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ?
>
>
> thanks
> Saifi.
>
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I have seen a guide on howto get oracle to run on bsd, it did use linux
compatibility though.

I have to say though the reality of the situation is you are probably best
running oracle on solaris with a zfs fs underneath it. Forget the wrongs and
rights and what should bes, the reality is you will find everything easier
from a comercial support point of view with that combination.
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[Steve Bertrand-2]

Saifi Khan wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>
>>>>> i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
>>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> What could be the reason for that ?
>>>> Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
>>>> IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.
>>>>
>>>> If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
>>>> consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Julian
>>>> --
>>> i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?
>> Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
>> I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.
>>
>
> Hi Julian:
>
> Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting,
>
>
> """
> FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with
> the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading,
> full speed ahead, toward disappointment. FreeBSD handles many
> things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you
> can not just kludge your way into this.
>
> What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD
> is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same
> place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity.
>
> Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real
> operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this
> thead. And as an additional value it will support the Oracle
> technology stack while you are still young enough to use it.
> """
>
> and
> """
> IF you can match up the system calls, then you can 'make it
> work'.
> """
>
> The relevant  links are
> 1.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0
> 2.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0 
>
> The response seems to suggest that there is some feature used by
> Oracle which is expected from a UNIX Sys 5 std and perhaps
> FreeBSD does not support/have the syscall.
>
> Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ?

That whoever wrote that post is very closed minded, has no problem
condemning something prior to investigation, and perhaps wears a pair of
glasses that only come in one shade.

It makes me very proud to be a member of this great community, where the
attitude is more 'get the job done with whatever tool suits the task',
as opposed to 'if you don't use this, then forget it'.

I completely and utterly disagree with the claims made in that post.
I've been using FreeBSD for nearly 10 years, and I vouch for the fact
that FreeBSD has made huge strides during that time. Not only is the OS
mature, but so are the people who write it, maintain it, and advocate it.

Was about to add 'defend it' to the last sentence there, but it's not
even necessary. FreeBSD's track record, and the fact that it's used in
the most critical of infrastructures proves that FreeBSD merrily holds
it's own water, without a word ever needing to be spoken.

Steve

[Julian H. Stacey-3]

> > Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
> > I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.
>
> Hi Julian:
>
> Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting,
>
> """
> FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with
> the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading,

...

> Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ?

Hi Saifi,
I wrote:
> > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
> > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.

I meant contact Oracle Inc _Direct_ & ask to purchase licenses for BSD.
Not ask a forum of users including the clueless Oracle user you quoted.

If you only want to buy a few licenses. Oracle probably won't be
interested (unless you convince them you'r a path finder for more
purchasers to come);  ... but on top of Krad's Solaris approach,
if you wanted to try out Oracle, as well as native, you might perhaps
try it on a linux or opensolaris within eg
FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports/emulators/virtualbox/ (if you try
it & get stuck there's an emulators@freebsd list).

Cheers,
Julian
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[telmnstr]

> That whoever wrote that post is very closed minded, has no problem
> condemning something prior to investigation, and perhaps wears a pair of
> glasses that only come in one shade.

Oracle is an expensive business application that is expected to be VERY
reliable. It's expected to have a high end support infrastructure behind
it.

This is why they limit the number of operating systems to a very specific
few, that are backed by companies with a reputation. I'm not vouching for
them, but most businesses aren't looking to plunk down $50,000 or $100,000
for a database product for their mission critical application, and run it
on something that lacks a commercial support infrastructure behind it.

RedHat is the only reason linux has gotten as far as it has in the heavy
business and gov't world.

> I completely and utterly disagree with the claims made in that post.
> I've been using FreeBSD for nearly 10 years, and I vouch for the fact
> that FreeBSD has made huge strides during that time. Not only is the OS
> mature, but so are the people who write it, maintain it, and advocate it.

While it has, it's still lagging. I can't even get a decent shell from the
FreeBSD install CD or boot CD. If the installer fails at getting the first
package, after you re-enter the information to try again, it seems to pick
up on package #2, skipping the first, which is probably the kernel. I took
a hiatus(sp) from FreeBSD and when I came back after spending a bunch of
time in the Linux world, I noticed some pretty sore things.

I'm not hating on BSD, I'm still kind of meh about Linux, but I can see
why companies do what they do. A small firm webhosting stuff with MySQL is
one thing. Large corporations running mission critical databases is
another.

I assume Oracle goes through heavy lengths to certify their product on the
few OSes they officially support. Probably Solaris, Redhat and their own
Linux distro. This is a huge deal to them.

Think of it as an appliance. If you hate Linux, help Solaris. Run your
oracle on your Solaris system, and hit it from your FreeBSD system.

I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle
on FreeBSD. Heck, look at all the SGI went through with Oracle, and the
rumors were that Oracle ran faster than any other platform on IRIX for a
while. Oracle wouldn't release it, maybe becuase Ellison and McNealy are
BFF or something.



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[Andrew Gould-2]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:28 AM,  <telmnstr@...> wrote:

>
>> That whoever wrote that post is very closed minded, has no problem
>> condemning something prior to investigation, and perhaps wears a pair of
>> glasses that only come in one shade.
>
> Oracle is an expensive business application that is expected to be VERY
> reliable. It's expected to have a high end support infrastructure behind it.
>
> This is why they limit the number of operating systems to a very specific
> few, that are backed by companies with a reputation. I'm not vouching for
> them, but most businesses aren't looking to plunk down $50,000 or $100,000
> for a database product for their mission critical application, and run it on
> something that lacks a commercial support infrastructure behind it.
>
> RedHat is the only reason linux has gotten as far as it has in the heavy
> business and gov't world.
>
>> I completely and utterly disagree with the claims made in that post.
>> I've been using FreeBSD for nearly 10 years, and I vouch for the fact
>> that FreeBSD has made huge strides during that time. Not only is the OS
>> mature, but so are the people who write it, maintain it, and advocate it.
>
> While it has, it's still lagging. I can't even get a decent shell from the
> FreeBSD install CD or boot CD. If the installer fails at getting the first
> package, after you re-enter the information to try again, it seems to pick
> up on package #2, skipping the first, which is probably the kernel. I took a
> hiatus(sp) from FreeBSD and when I came back after spending a bunch of time
> in the Linux world, I noticed some pretty sore things.
>
> I'm not hating on BSD, I'm still kind of meh about Linux, but I can see why
> companies do what they do. A small firm webhosting stuff with MySQL is one
> thing. Large corporations running mission critical databases is another.
>
> I assume Oracle goes through heavy lengths to certify their product on the
> few OSes they officially support. Probably Solaris, Redhat and their own
> Linux distro. This is a huge deal to them.
>
> Think of it as an appliance. If you hate Linux, help Solaris. Run your
> oracle on your Solaris system, and hit it from your FreeBSD system.
>
> I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle on
> FreeBSD. Heck, look at all the SGI went through with Oracle, and the rumors
> were that Oracle ran faster than any other platform on IRIX for a while.
> Oracle wouldn't release it, maybe becuase Ellison and McNealy are BFF or
> something.
>

...and this, of course, brings us to the purchase of Sun Microsystems
by Oracle.  Expect Oracle to put a lot of emphasis on Solaris in the
future.
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[Chad Perrin]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 09:15:43PM +0530, Saifi Khan wrote:
>
> i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html

I unfortunately don't have anything to offer as a direct answer to that,
other than perhaps "Oracle's short-sightedness".

I wonder why you ask, though.  Do you plan to use Oracle for some
specific "real world" purpose?  Are you simply trying to learn about
Oracle?  Are you just curious about the lack of Oracle for FreeBSD?

Depending on your reasons for asking, it might be worthwhile to
investigate alternatives.  FTD apparently found Oracle to fall short of
expectations, and EnterpriseDB's variant of PostgreSQL rose to the
challenge:

    http://tinyurl.com/yd9lon5

(I used TinyURL to avoid running afoul of line-wrap, et cetera.)

It might be worth looking into.  It's easy (relative to most DMBS-to-DBMS
migrations) to migrate a database from Oracle to PostgreSQL, too, thanks
to substantial feature parity between the two.

There's a slightly different write-up of the FTD migration on
EnterpriseDB's "success stories" page:

    http://www.enterprisedb.com/learning/success.do

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[Chad Perrin]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:28:20AM -0400, telmnstr@... wrote:
>
> I'd be willing to bet there is little to no commercial demand for Oracle
> on FreeBSD.

I wonder how much difference Oracle availability on FreeBSD would make,
here.

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[Chad Perrin]

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 03:45:28PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>
> If you only want to buy a few licenses. Oracle probably won't be
> interested (unless you convince them you'r a path finder for more
> purchasers to come);

It doesn't hurt to ask (unless you're bluffing, and they call you on it,
I guess).  What if you're the 101st to ask, and they finally decided to
do something about it?

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[Saifi Khan-6]

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Chad Perrin wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 09:15:43PM +0530, Saifi Khan wrote:
> >
> > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
> > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
>
> I unfortunately don't have anything to offer as a direct answer to that,
> other than perhaps "Oracle's short-sightedness".
>
> I wonder why you ask, though.  Do you plan to use Oracle for some
> specific "real world" purpose?  Are you simply trying to learn about
> Oracle?  Are you just curious about the lack of Oracle for FreeBSD?
>

Here is some background to help you understand the requirement:

i was conducting a system administration session for some IT
admins and managers, here in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, INDIA.

One of the folks has a PostgreSQL on FreeBSD setup running since
last 4 yrs without any issues. They have recently received
Oracle database server and need to set up on Windows 2003
server.

Since the folks have prior experience with FreeBSD it seemed
logical to try and setup Oracle on FreeBSD on IBM x-series
server.

i was particularly interested since the acquisition dataset
growth rate was like 30-50 GB per week, stored on a SAN.


thanks
Saifi.
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[Tony Theodore]

> Since the folks have prior experience with FreeBSD it seemed
> logical to try and setup Oracle on FreeBSD on IBM x-series
> server.
>
> Did you try the linux compatibility setup? It's for a much older version,
but might be interesting to play with at least.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/linuxemu-oracle.html

Tony
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[Chris Rees]

2009/9/25 Saifi Khan <saifi.khan@...>:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>
>> > > > i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
>> > > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
>> > > >
>> > > > What could be the reason for that ?
>> > >
>> > > Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
>> > > IE wave money under Oracle's nose & ask to purchase what you want.
>> > >
>> > > If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
>> > > consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Julian
>> > > --
>> >
>> > i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?
>>
>> Most unlikely. Ask Oracle & tell advocacy@ what you find out.
>> I'd bet perceived market share & demand as ever, ie Money.
>>
>
> Hi Julian:
>
> Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting,
>
>
> """
> FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with
> the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading,
> full speed ahead, toward disappointment.

And this is where he gives away that he knows nothing about it. In the
first sentence, he shows that he thinks that Mac OS X uses the FreeBSD
kernel. (Which is wrong, in case you were wondering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system) )

> FreeBSD handles many
> things very differently from the UNIX System 5 standard so you
> can not just kludge your way into this.

What?

>
> What fascinates me about your request is why you care. FreeBSD
> is going nowhere at a staggeringly fast pace. And to the same
> place as went Oracle Database version 8.0. Obscurity.

What?

>
> Install Oracle's Enterprise Linux and you will have a real
> operating system in less time than you've spent monitoring this
> thead. And as an additional value it will support the Oracle
> technology stack while you are still young enough to use it.
> """
>
> and
> """
> IF you can match up the system calls, then you can 'make it
> work'.
> """
>
> The relevant  links are
> 1.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0
> 2.  http://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=952076&tstart=0
>
> The response seems to suggest that there is some feature used by
> Oracle which is expected from a UNIX Sys 5 std and perhaps
> FreeBSD does not support/have the syscall.
>
> Given the response, What is your analysis of the situation ?
>
>
> thanks
> Saifi.
>

This guy replying to your post was a troll, basically. Ignore him, and
concentrate on real Oracle employees for sources. Of course, if this
was an Oracle employee, then you really should think about using some
different software....

Chris

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[Charlie Kester]

On Sun 27 Sep 2009 at 12:25:50 PDT Chris Rees wrote:
>This guy replying to your post was a troll, basically. Ignore him, and

Yep.  It shows that some Linux fans are just as prone to creating FUD as
their adversaries in the Windows world.

I'd like to think the BSD community is better than that.
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[Allen-37]

Charlie Kester wrote:
> On Sun 27 Sep 2009 at 12:25:50 PDT Chris Rees wrote:
>> This guy replying to your post was a troll, basically. Ignore him, and
>
> Yep.  It shows that some Linux fans are just as prone to creating FUD as
> their adversaries in the Windows world.
>
> I'd like to think the BSD community is better than that.

I use Linux, I don't do this kind of thing because I use both. I have a
machine with FreeBSD on it dual booting Windows 98 SE (So I can play
Magic: The Gathering; Spells of the Ancients, and some other stuff) and
then I have a Debian box, and another Debian machine dual booting with
Windows XP, and my Laptop dual boots Slackware 13.0 and Windows XP, and
then on my Wife's Laptop is Windows XP, and OpenSUSE. My FTP server PC
runs Slackware 12.2. I use both Linux and BSD because I like both, and
anyone who says Linux is better is sadly mistaken, they both are great :)
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[Michael Vince-3]

On 25/09/2009 10:28 PM, Saifi Khan wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>
>    
>>>>> i noticed that there is no Oracle available for FreeBSD
>>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> What could be the reason for that ?
>>>>>            
>>>> Best ask direct of commercial application vendor Oracle.
>>>> IE wave money under Oracle's nose&  ask to purchase what you want.
>>>>
>>>> If Oracle think there's enough profit in it, there's many BSD
>>>> consultants eg http://berklix.com/consultants/ willing to work.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Julian
>>>> --
>>>>          
>>> i was wondering if there is any technical reason behind this ?
>>>        
>> Most unlikely. Ask Oracle&  tell advocacy@ what you find out.
>> I'd bet perceived market share&  demand as ever, ie Money.
>>
>>      
> Hi Julian:
>
> Here is the response on the Oracle forum thread to my posting,
>
>
> """
> FreeBSD is a kernel not used in any extant operating system with
> the sole exception being Apple's Mac OSX so you are heading,
>    

The reality is that Oracle is meant to be a very expensive solution for
companies that don't know what to do. This makes Red Hat etc an ideal
contender for this situation as it promises full enterprise support.
Whether it is the truth or if its even a good solution is completely
irreverent to these 2 tech companies because at the end of the day they
are just trying to make money and please the stock holders.

We have bought the occasional Dell server with Enterprise Red Hat and
found all sorts of weird little problems. My preferred story was the
Perl that RHE came with was bleeding edge (for the time of release)
which at first looked nice. But when I discovered my FreeBSD laptop
could parse a 500meg log file 4 times faster then the quad core RHE Dell
server I know something was wrong. It was just the version Perl that RHE
decided to package up the distribution with. I ended up having to build
a later version into /usr/local and everything was fine. But is this
really a good solution? Was this worthy of the word enterprise?
absolutely not, I mean its not a big deal to build a second Perl into
/usr/local on RHE but FreeBSD ports seems like a far cleaner and
professional solution if you ask me, just because its not point and
click friendly shouldn't be some kind of excuse, to me its and clean and
pure as I could dream.

We hired a person directly from Oracle full time to build a new database
project on Oracle. After it was all built and been using it for about 2
years I just thought it was a bit of a disgrace. Oracle is brittle,
unreliable and expensive. We had FreeBSD+MySQL along side it the whole
time and it was just so much more reliable and faster for the same
amount of hardware.
Oracle by packaged design is meant to encourage a comparatively massive
amount of hardware investment compared to what could be achieved with
MySQL and FreeBSD. I think it is just as much about masking its crap
performance then any other argument.

I think Oracle is a about of system of making money out of false
beliefs, it takes full advantage of corporate companies conservative
beliefs and is probably only the reasonable solution for at best 5% of
the companies it lives at, its all a matter of opinion which would be
argued more from how much money a set of individuals are making out of
it over a better technical solution.
Some how Oracle want people to believe that a few 100's thousand dollars
for their software is vastly superior to any other DB in the world is
just nonsense.
There is not any other mass scale pieces of software that most company's
need where there is some how a magically vastly superior solution. There
is no single/few license $100,000 operating system, no single/few
license $100,000 excel, no single/few license $100,000 web server.

I guess what I am saying at the end of this is that if you can avoid
Oracle that is great, I fully recommend you do.

Just because you can buy MySQL Enterprise Server far more cheaply and
install/deploy it far more easily on more different platforms isn't
something to be suspicious about, its just a better software solution
and I recommend you take full advantage of it while you still can.












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