will 2.6 be default?

[Tshepang Lekhonkhobe]

Hi,

I saw recently that RT did not list 2.6 as default Python as a release
goal. I also saw a thread talking about the problems related to 2.6.
Does this mean Squeeze won't use it by default or are u guys working
on it?

It always seems a great challenge everytime there's a switch of
defaults. Is there anything to learn from other distros or are they
taking shortcuts, or is there something else holding back Debian's
progress.

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[Josselin Mouette]

Le mercredi 26 août 2009 à 10:14 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe a écrit :
> I saw recently that RT did not list 2.6 as default Python as a release
> goal. I also saw a thread talking about the problems related to 2.6.
> Does this mean Squeeze won't use it by default or are u guys working
> on it?

In the current state of affairs and given the plans of the Python
maintainers, there will be likely no python2.6 (even as non-default) in
squeeze.

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[Ben Finney-5]

Josselin Mouette <joss@...> writes:

> Le mercredi 26 août 2009 à 10:14 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe a écrit :
> > I saw recently that RT did not list 2.6 as default Python as a
> > release goal. I also saw a thread talking about the problems related
> > to 2.6. Does this mean Squeeze won't use it by default or are u guys
> > working on it?
>
> In the current state of affairs and given the plans of the Python
> maintainers

By this, do you mean “the plans of the maintainers of the Debian
maintainers of Python”, or “the plans of the upstream maintainers of
Python”?

> there will be likely no python2.6 (even as non-default) in squeeze.

Can this situation be improved by input from enthustic volunteers, even
those without specific skills in the Debian package of Python?

I'm confident that, if the right coordination of effort and publicity of
the necessary to-do tasks were applied, there would be ample willingness
From Debian members who want Python 2.6 in Debian Squeeze.

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[Nicolas Chauvat]

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:20:51PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> I'm confident that, if the right coordination of effort and publicity of
> the necessary to-do tasks were applied, there would be ample willingness
> From Debian members who want Python 2.6 in Debian Squeeze.

It would indeed be nice if someone could list the hurdles that stand
between us and Python 2.6 in Squeeze, or point us to the web page that
lists them.

Python2.6 is in experimental:
http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/python2.6
Python2.6 is in Ubuntu jaunty:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-May/028266.html

Has anything changed since:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/03/msg00091.html
and:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/08/msg00003.html
?

I read the list and can search the archives, but have not found a list
of tasks that need doing to get 2.6 in squeeze.

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[Luk Claes]

Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 26 août 2009 à 10:14 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe a écrit :
>> I saw recently that RT did not list 2.6 as default Python as a release
>> goal. I also saw a thread talking about the problems related to 2.6.
>> Does this mean Squeeze won't use it by default or are u guys working
>> on it?
>
> In the current state of affairs and given the plans of the Python
> maintainers, there will be likely no python2.6 (even as non-default) in
> squeeze.

What specific technical issue(s) are in your opinion so unlikely to get
solved soon?

Is there any unreasonable plan of the Python maintainers in your opinion?

Cheers

Luk


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[Nicolas François]

Hello,

Is there already a goal to drop python2.4 in Squeeze?

If so, I would like to document it in the Squeeze's release notes (and there
is time for this), but also in the Lenny's release notes.

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[Toni Mueller-5]

Hi,

On Wed, 26.08.2009 at 19:50:42 +0200, Nicolas François <nicolas.francois@...> wrote:
> Is there already a goal to drop python2.4 in Squeeze?

I really hope that it isn't!

Not that I'm a special fan of Python 2.4, but afaik there's no way to
run Zope 2.x, and that includes most prominently Plone, on newer
versions of Python.


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[Akira Kitada]

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Nicolas Chauvat
<nicolas.chauvat@...> wrote:

>
> It would indeed be nice if someone could list the hurdles that stand
> between us and Python 2.6 in Squeeze, or point us to the web page that
> lists them.
>
> Python2.6 is in experimental:
> http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/python2.6
> Python2.6 is in Ubuntu jaunty:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-May/028266.html
>
> Has anything changed since:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/03/msg00091.html
> and:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/08/msg00003.html
> ?
>
> I read the list and can search the archives, but have not found a list
> of tasks that need doing to get 2.6 in squeeze.

I heard from Josselin Mouette that he will post an analysis of which
packages need updating soon.


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[qwavel]

Akira Kitada wrote:

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Nicolas Chauvat
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> It would indeed be nice if someone could list the hurdles that stand
> between us and Python 2.6 in Squeeze, or point us to the web page that
> lists them.
>
> Python2.6 is in experimental:
> http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/python2.6
> Python2.6 is in Ubuntu jaunty:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-May/028266.html
>
> Has anything changed since:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/03/msg00091.html
> and:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/08/msg00003.html
> ?
>
> I read the list and can search the archives, but have not found a list
> of tasks that need doing to get 2.6 in squeeze.

I heard from Josselin Mouette that he will post an analysis of which
packages need updating soon.

Thanks for updating this thread with that new information.

I think it would be great if Python 2.6 (and maybe even 3.1) could be part of Squeeze.  Whether 2.5 or 2.6 are the default is less important then just getting 2.6 in.

[Scott Kitterman-5]

>
>
>
> Akira Kitada wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Nicolas Chauvat
>> <nicolas.chauvat@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> It would indeed be nice if someone could list the hurdles that stand
>>> between us and Python 2.6 in Squeeze, or point us to the web page that
>>> lists them.
>>>
>>> Python2.6 is in experimental:
>>> http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/python2.6
>>> Python2.6 is in Ubuntu jaunty:
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-May/028266.html
>>>
>>> Has anything changed since:
>>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/03/msg00091.html
>>> and:
>>> http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/08/msg00003.html
>>> ?
>>>
>>> I read the list and can search the archives, but have not found a list
>>> of tasks that need doing to get 2.6 in squeeze.
>>
>> I heard from Josselin Mouette that he will post an analysis of which
>> packages need updating soon.
>>
>
> Thanks for updating this thread with that new information.
>
> I think it would be great if Python 2.6 (and maybe even 3.1) could be part
> of Squeeze.  Whether 2.5 or 2.6 are the default is less important then
> just
> getting 2.6 in.

One thing that would make the transition simpler (that could be done now)
is to get CDBS to add the patch in
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537373

Scott K


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[Josselin Mouette]

Le samedi 12 septembre 2009 à 13:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
> One thing that would make the transition simpler (that could be done now)
> is to get CDBS to add the patch in
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537373

Marc Dequènes agreed for a NMU to add this patch, so I guess you can go
ahead if you want.

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[Bernd Zeimetz]

Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le samedi 12 septembre 2009 à 13:23 -0400, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
>> One thing that would make the transition simpler (that could be done now)
>> is to get CDBS to add the patch in
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537373
>
> Marc Dequènes agreed for a NMU to add this patch, so I guess you can go
> ahead if you want.

The patch looks pretty much hackish and I could imagine that it will break a
backport of cdbs to Lenny as python2.4 is called with --install-layout=deb, too.
And what I really fail to understand is why you need to tar the directories and
rename them... or so.

Cheers,

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[Josselin Mouette]

Le dimanche 13 septembre 2009 à 02:23 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
> The patch looks pretty much hackish and I could imagine that it will break a
> backport of cdbs to Lenny as python2.4 is called with --install-layout=deb, too.

Of course, if you backport things without thinking of what they do, this
will produce broken backports.

> And what I really fail to understand is why you need to tar the directories and
> rename them... or so.

This allows to let existing packages that manipulate stuff in
site-packages/ directories work as is, instead of having to change them
all to work with python2.6.

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[Bernd Zeimetz]

Josselin Mouette wrote:

> Le dimanche 13 septembre 2009 à 02:23 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
>> The patch looks pretty much hackish and I could imagine that it will break a
>> backport of cdbs to Lenny as python2.4 is called with --install-layout=deb, too.
>
> Of course, if you backport things without thinking of what they do, this
> will produce broken backports.
>
>> And what I really fail to understand is why you need to tar the directories and
>> rename them... or so.
>
> This allows to let existing packages that manipulate stuff in
> site-packages/ directories work as is, instead of having to change them
> all to work with python2.6.

I'm not conviced this is a good idea, sorry.
There is /usr/share/python/python.mk if you need to figure out the name of the
directory. Everything else is a hack.

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