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wysiwyg wiki?
by Ken Masters
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Hi All I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board / assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a wiki. I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding). At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has there been any move on this? Thanks. Regards Ken --------------------------- Ken Masters IT Health Education http://www.ithealthed.com ____/\/********\/\____ ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. |
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Re: wysiwyg wiki?
by Sean DeMonner
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Ken, I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5 instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold, italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot:  It's not true wysiwyg but it's closer than pure text... SMD. On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Ken Masters wrote: > Hi All > > I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more > sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board / > assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a > wiki. > I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki > in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding). > At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me > correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has > there been any move on this? > > Thanks. > > Regards > > Ken > > --------------------------- > Ken Masters > IT Health Education > http://www.ithealthed.com > ____/\/********\/\____ > > > > This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab > (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & > Learning site. > You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > > Preferences. ========================================================== Sean DeMonner, IT Project Senior Manager, CTools Implementation Group Digital Media Commons @ The Duderstadt Center, U-M (734) 615-9765 [see attachment: "FirefoxScreenSnapz001.png", size: 16751 bytes] Attachments: FirefoxScreenSnapz001.png https://collab.sakaiproject.org//access/content/attachment/ad78017d-23bc-42df-984f-d7630dadea0a/FirefoxScreenSnapz001.png ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. |
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Re: wysiwyg wiki?
by Ian Boston
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In 2.5 there is a full FCK Editor (ie wysiwyg) editor in wiki thanks to CRIM. There are still one of 2 bugs on browsers that are not officially supported by Sakai. Have a look at qa1-nl.sakaiproject.org. You should see three tabs on the top of the editor. Edit, Edit in Html and Preview. Unfortunately, FCK does not have the full capabilities of the wiki language (eg recent changes and other macros) so where it cant cope, the wiki markup will remain. I believe there is a patch somewhere in JIRA for 2.4 Ian 2008/7/4 Ken Masters <kmasters@...>: > Hi Sean > > Yes, it's a step in the right direction, and does remove the need for > people to remember the codes, but it's still a long way off. It's where > HTML editors were about 10-15 years ago. I know that sounds harsh, but > it is a lot lighter than some of the criticisms of it that I have had to > field from staff and students - some of which would be blocked by your > ISPs if repeated here :-) > > Regards > > Ken > > --------------------------- > Ken Masters > IT Health Education > http://www.ithealthed.com > ____/\/********\/\____ > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki? >> From: Sean DeMonner <demonner@...> >> Date: Thu, July 03, 2008 11:18 pm >> To: Ken Masters <kmasters@...> >> Cc: "pedagogy" >> <pedagogy@...>,"'sakai-dev@...'" >> <sakai-dev@...>,"sakai-dg-ui" >> <sakai-dg-ui@...> >> >> >> Ken, >> >> I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5 >> instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit >> mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold, >> italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot: >> >>  >> >> It's not true wysiwyg but it's closer than pure text... >> >> SMD. >> >> >> >> On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Ken Masters wrote: >> >> > Hi All >> > >> > I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more >> > sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board / >> > assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a >> > wiki. >> > I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki >> > in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding). >> > At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me >> > correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has >> > there been any move on this? >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Ken >> > >> > --------------------------- >> > Ken Masters >> > IT Health Education >> > http://www.ithealthed.com >> > ____/\/********\/\____ >> > >> > >> > >> > This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab >> > (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & >> > Learning site. >> > You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > >> > Preferences. >> >> >> >> >> ========================================================== >> Sean DeMonner, IT Project Senior Manager, CTools Implementation Group >> Digital Media Commons @ The Duderstadt Center, U-M (734) 615-9765 > > ________________________________ > This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab > (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning > site. > You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. > ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Development (a.k.a. sakai-dev) site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. |
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Re: wysiwyg wiki?
by Adam Marshall
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Sean DeMonner wrote: > Ken, > > I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5 instance > has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit mode) that > provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold, italic, tables, > etc). See attached screen shot: > > [see attachment: "FirefoxScreenSnapz001.png", size: 16751 bytes] > > > It's not true wysiwyg but it's closer than pure text... > > SMD. > > > > On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Ken Masters wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more >> sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board / >> assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a wiki. >> I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki >> in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding). >> At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me >> correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has >> there been any move on this? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Regards >> >> Ken >> >> --------------------------- >> Ken Masters >> IT Health Education >> http://www.ithealthed.com >> ____/\/********\/\____ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab >> (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & >> Learning site. >> You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > >> Preferences. > > > > > ========================================================== > Sean DeMonner, IT Project Senior Manager, CTools Implementation Group > Digital Media Commons @ The Duderstadt Center, U-M (734) 615-9765 > > > > > > Attachments: > > FirefoxScreenSnapz001.png > <https://collab.sakaiproject.org//access/content/attachment/ad78017d-23bc-42df-984f-d7630dadea0a/FirefoxScreenSnapz001.png> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab > (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & > Learning site. > You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > > Preferences. yes there is a wysiwyg editor (it looks like FCK) - we have installed it and are using it in anger. It generally works fine but is slightly flakey. We downloaded the patch from Sakai JIRA. I agree that without this add-on the wiki is not really usable by every user. It makes such a difference. adam ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. |
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Re: wysiwyg wiki?
by Stephen Marquard
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Hi all, WYSIWYG Wiki is not in 2.5, it's in trunk. Which means it's not yet available in a released version of Sakai. I think there also may still be one or two bugs in it on browsers that are supported, so it needs a proper QA cycle. Cheers Stephen >>> "Ian Boston" <ieb@...> 2008/07/04 09:32 AM >>> In 2.5 there is a full FCK Editor (ie wysiwyg) editor in wiki thanks to CRIM. There are still one of 2 bugs on browsers that are not officially supported by Sakai. Have a look at qa1-nl.sakaiproject.org. You should see three tabs on the top of the editor. Edit, Edit in Html and Preview. Unfortunately, FCK does not have the full capabilities of the wiki language (eg recent changes and other macros) so where it cant cope, the wiki markup will remain. I believe there is a patch somewhere in JIRA for 2.4 Ian 2008/7/4 Ken Masters <kmasters@...>: > Hi Sean > > Yes, it's a step in the right direction, and does remove the need for > people to remember the codes, but it's still a long way off. It's where > HTML editors were about 10-15 years ago. I know that sounds harsh, but > it is a lot lighter than some of the criticisms of it that I have had to > field from staff and students - some of which would be blocked by your > ISPs if repeated here :-) > > Regards > > Ken > > --------------------------- > Ken Masters > IT Health Education > http://www.ithealthed.com > ____/\/********\/\____ > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki? >> From: Sean DeMonner <demonner@...> >> Date: Thu, July 03, 2008 11:18 pm >> To: Ken Masters <kmasters@...> >> Cc: "pedagogy" >> <pedagogy@...>,"'sakai-dev@...'" >> <sakai-dev@...>,"sakai-dg-ui" >> <sakai-dg-ui@...> >> >> >> Ken, >> >> I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5 >> instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit >> mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold, >> italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot: >> >> This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. |
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RE: wysiwyg wiki?
by Mathieu Plourde-2
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Hi Ken, I agree that the Wiki would need a good WYSIWYG editor that does what it is supposed to do. When we implemented the wiki FCK editor in 2.5.0, I tested it and was greatly disappointed. In the meantime, I have created a lot of resources to support faculty and students in using wikis. Might not be what you are looking for, but it might help get things started... Have a look at the following URL: http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/wiki/ I did a presentation in Paris that was recorded. You will probably hear how to access it online in the near future. Best Regards, ================================= Mathieu Plourde, MBA Instructional Designer IT-User Services University of Delaware 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z Newark, DE 19716 Phone: 302-831-4060 Fax: 302-831-4205 mathieu@... http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/ ================================= From: Stephen Marquard [mailto:stephen.marquard@...] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:09 PM To: Ken Masters; Ian Boston Cc: pedagogy; sakai-dev@...; sakai-dg-ui; Sean DeMonner Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki? Hi all, WYSIWYG Wiki is not in 2.5, it's in trunk. Which means it's not yet available in a released version of Sakai. I think there also may still be one or two bugs in it on browsers that are supported, so it needs a proper QA cycle. Cheers Stephen >>> "Ian Boston" <ieb@...> 2008/07/04 09:32 AM >>> In 2.5 there is a full FCK Editor (ie wysiwyg) editor in wiki thanks to CRIM. There are still one of 2 bugs on browsers that are not officially supported by Sakai. Have a look at qa1-nl.sakaiproject.org. You should see three tabs on the top of the editor. Edit, Edit in Html and Preview. Unfortunately, FCK does not have the full capabilities of the wiki language (eg recent changes and other macros) so where it cant cope, the wiki markup will remain. I believe there is a patch somewhere in JIRA for 2.4 Ian 2008/7/4 Ken Masters <kmasters@...>: > Hi Sean > > Yes, it's a step in the right direction, and does remove the need for > people to remember the codes, but it's still a long way off. It's where > HTML editors were about 10-15 years ago. I know that sounds harsh, but > it is a lot lighter than some of the criticisms of it that I have had to > field from staff and students - some of which would be blocked by your > ISPs if repeated here :-) > > Regards > > Ken > > --------------------------- > Ken Masters > IT Health Education > http://www.ithealthed.com > ____/\/********\/\____ > >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki? >> From: Sean DeMonner <demonner@...> >> Date: Thu, July 03, 2008 11:18 pm >> To: Ken Masters <kmasters@...> >> Cc: "pedagogy" >> <pedagogy@...>,"'sakai-dev@...'" >> <sakai-dev@...>,"sakai-dg-ui" >> <sakai-dg-ui@...> >> >> >> Ken, >> >> I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5 >> instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit >> mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold, >> italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot: >> >> This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal<https://collab.sakaiproject.org/portal>) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. ---------------------- This automatic notification message was sent by Sakai Collab (https://collab.sakaiproject.org//portal) from the DG: Teaching & Learning site. You can modify how you receive notifications at My Workspace > Preferences. |
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