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xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 AM, <bugzilla-daemon@...> wrote:
> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14354 > > --- Comment #152 from Alexey Fisher <bug-track@...> 2009-10-30 08:22:10 --- > Ted, > Thank you for explanation :) > Notice: i learning computer forensic, and was trained to mount all evidence > systems with "-o ro" to not contaminate it. It seems like ext4 break this > tradition, so many forensics will surprised why md5sum do not match. Ted, (Alexey there is a response to further down). I have not followed this thread ultra-closely but Alexey's comment got my attention. Ignoring computer forensics, with LVM snapshots, hardware raid array snapshots, etc. even in the presence of a dirty log, we need to be able to mount a drive in true read-only fashion fro many backup operations to function correctly. XFS added an extra mount flag for that 5 or so years ago. I hope ext4 either has or will add a true read-only mount option. Maybe Eric Sandeen remembers the actual drivers for adding that feature to XFS. Alexey, I do computer forensics as part of my job (see my signature). Never trust the -o ro flag with any filesystem type to keep evidence from being modified. It is not designed for forensic use. And it is hard to test because it may work in most scenarios, but then under certain situations, the journal gets applied, or cleared, etc. fyi: Yes I have read where doing so is advised, but I think that technique was developed back before Journaled filesystems were common. With a modern FS, it is just not a reliable technique in all situations. If you must mount a filesystem readonly to perform an exam, then use a hardware write-blocker to prevent modification. If the filesystem cannot be mounted readonly because a writeblocker is in use, then you know you have issues. The reality is that in more complex exams, we clone the original evidence, then perform part of the exam in a live environment. This clearly modifies the clone, but not the original. But the process should be repeatable by simply making more clones, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - <http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html> The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 AM, <bugzilla-daemon@...> wrote: >> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14354 >> >> --- Comment #152 from Alexey Fisher <bug-track@...> 2009-10-30 08:22:10 --- >> Ted, >> Thank you for explanation :) >> Notice: i learning computer forensic, and was trained to mount all evidence >> systems with "-o ro" to not contaminate it. It seems like ext4 break this >> tradition, so many forensics will surprised why md5sum do not match. > > Ted, (Alexey there is a response to further down). > > I have not followed this thread ultra-closely but Alexey's comment got > my attention. > > Ignoring computer forensics, with LVM snapshots, hardware raid array > snapshots, etc. even in the presence of a dirty log, we need to be > able to mount a drive in true read-only fashion fro many backup > operations to function correctly. > > XFS added an extra mount flag for that 5 or so years ago. > I hope ext4 either has or will add a true read-only mount option. > Maybe Eric Sandeen remembers the actual drivers for adding that > feature to XFS. > After a little brief digging I'm not sure when the xfs mount option went in or why... But for both xfs: mount -o ro,norecovery and ext[34]: mount -o ro,noload I don't think either one should touch the disk. Also, both should skip journal replay if you set the block device readonly prior to mount (hdparm -r can do this). -Eric -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Am Freitag, den 30.10.2009, 10:14 -0500 schrieb Eric Sandeen:
> Greg Freemyer wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 AM, <bugzilla-daemon@...> wrote: > >> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14354 > >> > >> --- Comment #152 from Alexey Fisher <bug-track@...> 2009-10-30 08:22:10 --- > >> Ted, > >> Thank you for explanation :) > >> Notice: i learning computer forensic, and was trained to mount all evidence > >> systems with "-o ro" to not contaminate it. It seems like ext4 break this > >> tradition, so many forensics will surprised why md5sum do not match. > > > > Ted, (Alexey there is a response to further down). > > > > I have not followed this thread ultra-closely but Alexey's comment got > > my attention. > > > > Ignoring computer forensics, with LVM snapshots, hardware raid array > > snapshots, etc. even in the presence of a dirty log, we need to be > > able to mount a drive in true read-only fashion fro many backup > > operations to function correctly. > > > > XFS added an extra mount flag for that 5 or so years ago. > > I hope ext4 either has or will add a true read-only mount option. > > Maybe Eric Sandeen remembers the actual drivers for adding that > > feature to XFS. > > > > After a little brief digging I'm not sure when the xfs mount option went > in or why... > > But for both > > xfs: mount -o ro,norecovery > > and > > ext[34]: mount -o ro,noload > > I don't think either one should touch the disk. > > Also, both should skip journal replay if you set the block device > readonly prior to mount (hdparm -r can do this). Interesting tip, thank you. But there is some problems: 1. "hdparm -r" will set complete drive to ro mode. This is bad if i use /dev/sda1 for root and /dev/sda5 need to be forced readonly. 2. the fact xfs and ext[3,4] use different options for true_ro make things complicated. 3. the definition of ro is broken. 4. many frustrated admins who mounted part of raid1 only with "-o ro" Regards, Alexey -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Am Freitag, den 30.10.2009, 10:20 -0400 schrieb Greg Freemyer:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 AM, <bugzilla-daemon@...> wrote: > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14354 > > > > --- Comment #152 from Alexey Fisher <bug-track@...> 2009-10-30 08:22:10 --- > > Ted, > > Thank you for explanation :) > > Notice: i learning computer forensic, and was trained to mount all evidence > > systems with "-o ro" to not contaminate it. It seems like ext4 break this > > tradition, so many forensics will surprised why md5sum do not match. > > Ted, (Alexey there is a response to further down). > > I have not followed this thread ultra-closely but Alexey's comment got > my attention. > > Ignoring computer forensics, with LVM snapshots, hardware raid array > snapshots, etc. even in the presence of a dirty log, we need to be > able to mount a drive in true read-only fashion fro many backup > operations to function correctly. > > XFS added an extra mount flag for that 5 or so years ago. > > I hope ext4 either has or will add a true read-only mount option. > Maybe Eric Sandeen remembers the actual drivers for adding that > feature to XFS. > > Alexey, > > I do computer forensics as part of my job (see my signature). Never > trust the -o ro flag with any filesystem type to keep evidence from > being modified. It is not designed for forensic use. And it is hard > to test because it may work in most scenarios, but then under certain > situations, the journal gets applied, or cleared, etc. > > fyi: Yes I have read where doing so is advised, but I think that > technique was developed back before Journaled filesystems were common. > With a modern FS, it is just not a reliable technique in all > situations. > > If you must mount a filesystem readonly to perform an exam, then use a > hardware write-blocker to prevent modification. If the filesystem > cannot be mounted readonly because a writeblocker is in use, then you > know you have issues. > > The reality is that in more complex exams, we clone the original > evidence, then perform part of the exam in a live environment. This > clearly modifies the clone, but not the original. But the process > should be repeatable by simply making more clones, etc. > > Greg Greg, thank you for the comment, as a student i do not own a hardware write-blocker. But even for normal admin work, this can cause some frustration. With your comment i realized that i probably screwed up some raid1 array. I used "-o ro" to open one of disks. :( need to check it now. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Alexey Fisher wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 30.10.2009, 10:14 -0500 schrieb Eric Sandeen: ... >> After a little brief digging I'm not sure when the xfs mount option went >> in or why... >> >> But for both >> >> xfs: mount -o ro,norecovery >> >> and >> >> ext[34]: mount -o ro,noload >> >> I don't think either one should touch the disk. >> >> Also, both should skip journal replay if you set the block device >> readonly prior to mount (hdparm -r can do this). > > Interesting tip, thank you. > But there is some problems: > 1. "hdparm -r" will set complete drive to ro mode. This is bad if i > use /dev/sda1 for root and /dev/sda5 need to be forced readonly. So point it at the partition not the drive: [root@neon ~]# hdparm -r 1 /dev/sda1 /dev/sda1: setting readonly to 1 (on) readonly = 1 (on) [root@neon ~]# hdparm -r /dev/sda2 /dev/sda2: readonly = 0 (off) It doesn't change the hardware, it sets a flag on the kernel's block device structure. > 2. the fact xfs and ext[3,4] use different options for true_ro make > things complicated. the hazards of being an open source sysadmin I guess. > 3. the definition of ro is broken. depends on what you mean by ro. A user can only read from the filesystem so it is accurate in that respect. Is "ro" for the fs or the bdev? Semantic differences but not necessarily broken. > 4. many frustrated admins who mounted part of raid1 only with "-o ro" Dunno what you mean by that ... -Eric > Regards, > Alexey -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Am Freitag, den 30.10.2009, 11:14 -0500 schrieb Eric Sandeen:
> Alexey Fisher wrote: > > Am Freitag, den 30.10.2009, 10:14 -0500 schrieb Eric Sandeen: > > ... > > >> After a little brief digging I'm not sure when the xfs mount option went > >> in or why... > >> > >> But for both > >> > >> xfs: mount -o ro,norecovery > >> > >> and > >> > >> ext[34]: mount -o ro,noload > >> > >> I don't think either one should touch the disk. > >> > >> Also, both should skip journal replay if you set the block device > >> readonly prior to mount (hdparm -r can do this). > > > > Interesting tip, thank you. > > But there is some problems: > > 1. "hdparm -r" will set complete drive to ro mode. This is bad if i > > use /dev/sda1 for root and /dev/sda5 need to be forced readonly. > > So point it at the partition not the drive: > > [root@neon ~]# hdparm -r 1 /dev/sda1 > > /dev/sda1: > setting readonly to 1 (on) > readonly = 1 (on) > [root@neon ~]# hdparm -r /dev/sda2 > > /dev/sda2: > readonly = 0 (off) > > It doesn't change the hardware, it sets a flag on the kernel's block > device structure. ok, got it. Every day learning something new. It was not clear for me, after i read man hdparm: "Get/set read-only flag for the device. When set, Linux disallows write operations on the device." > > 2. the fact xfs and ext[3,4] use different options for true_ro make > > things complicated. > > the hazards of being an open source sysadmin I guess. :( are there any plans to unify mount options? > > 3. the definition of ro is broken. > > depends on what you mean by ro. A user can only read from the > filesystem so it is accurate in that respect. Is "ro" for the fs or the > bdev? Semantic differences but not necessarily broken. Hmm... bdev. any chance to do temporary recovery and load it as external journal if ro used? Anyway, you already pointed me to hdparm, so i can use it too. > > 4. many frustrated admins who mounted part of raid1 only with "-o ro" > > Dunno what you mean by that ... raid1 is down, so you need for some reasons to mount ro only one disk of the array. Needed to do it for short time (i used -o ro), now i know this probably was a bad idea (bad me, should read documentation). Need to check my raid now. Suddenly i'm not alone who doing this :( > -Eric > > > Regards, > > Alexey Eric, Greg, Thank you Regards, Alexey. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Alexey Fisher wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 30.10.2009, 11:14 -0500 schrieb Eric Sandeen: >> Alexey Fisher wrote: >>> Am Freitag, den 30.10.2009, 10:14 -0500 schrieb Eric Sandeen: >> ... >> >>>> After a little brief digging I'm not sure when the xfs mount option went >>>> in or why... >>>> >>>> But for both >>>> >>>> xfs: mount -o ro,norecovery >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> ext[34]: mount -o ro,noload >>>> >>>> I don't think either one should touch the disk. >>>> >>>> Also, both should skip journal replay if you set the block device >>>> readonly prior to mount (hdparm -r can do this). >>> Interesting tip, thank you. >>> But there is some problems: >>> 1. "hdparm -r" will set complete drive to ro mode. This is bad if i >>> use /dev/sda1 for root and /dev/sda5 need to be forced readonly. >> So point it at the partition not the drive: >> >> [root@neon ~]# hdparm -r 1 /dev/sda1 >> >> /dev/sda1: >> setting readonly to 1 (on) >> readonly = 1 (on) >> [root@neon ~]# hdparm -r /dev/sda2 >> >> /dev/sda2: >> readonly = 0 (off) >> >> It doesn't change the hardware, it sets a flag on the kernel's block >> device structure. > > ok, got it. Every day learning something new. > It was not clear for me, after i read man hdparm: "Get/set read-only > flag for the device. When set, Linux disallows write operations on > the device." > >>> 2. the fact xfs and ext[3,4] use different options for true_ro make >>> things complicated. >> the hazards of being an open source sysadmin I guess. > > :( are there any plans to unify mount options? Some of this gets done; barrier options now match across xfs & ext4, I'm actually just writing a patch for ext3. Doing the same for noload/norecovery would be pretty trivial. >>> 3. the definition of ro is broken. >> depends on what you mean by ro. A user can only read from the >> filesystem so it is accurate in that respect. Is "ro" for the fs or the >> bdev? Semantic differences but not necessarily broken. > > Hmm... bdev. any chance to do temporary recovery and load it as external > journal if ro used? Anyway, you already pointed me to hdparm, so i can > use it too. There were patches floated to in-ram recovery for those blocks so that you could have a consistent fs w/o touching the disk but it didn't seem to get far. >>> 4. many frustrated admins who mounted part of raid1 only with "-o ro" >> Dunno what you mean by that ... > > raid1 is down, so you need for some reasons to mount ro only one disk of > the array. Needed to do it for short time (i used -o ro), now i know > this probably was a bad idea (bad me, should read documentation). Need > to check my raid now. Suddenly i'm not alone who doing this :( oh I see. Yup.... -Eric -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]2009/10/30 Eric Sandeen <sandeen@...>:
> Alexey Fisher wrote: >> Hmm... bdev. any chance to do temporary recovery and load it as external >> journal if ro used? Anyway, you already pointed me to hdparm, so i can >> use it too. > > There were patches floated to in-ram recovery for those blocks so that you > could have a consistent fs w/o touching the disk but it didn't seem to get > far. Those were mine, I think. I got stuck at the point of needing to handle escaped blocks -- I couldn't find any way of reliably and efficiently getting hold of a buffer after it had been read from disk but before anybody else had a chance to access it. I think if I could have cracked that then I could have got it working. The only other missing piece of functionality was handling the transition from read-only (unrecovered) to read-write. It would have needed a very thorough audit of the places where ext3 was doing ll_rw_block and such like, though. Cheers, Duane. -- "I never could learn to drink that blood and call it wine" - Bob Dylan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:20:35AM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> Ignoring computer forensics, with LVM snapshots, hardware raid array > snapshots, etc. even in the presence of a dirty log, we need to be > able to mount a drive in true read-only fashion fro many backup > operations to function correctly. Can you go into more detail about "many backup operations"? > XFS added an extra mount flag for that 5 or so years ago. As Eric has already pointed out, "norecovery" and "noload" mean the same thing. But not recovering the journal is dangerous; the file system is not necessarily going to be consistent, and while the kernel _shouldn't_ crash given an inconsistent filesystem image --- and a lot of fsfuzzer testing and bug fixing means that it _probably_ won't crash --- taking a backup of an inconsistent file system image due to the journal recovery being suppressed isn't such a great idea. As I mentioned, trying to _simulate_ a journal recovery by using the journal instead of data blocks for those blocks in the journal is possible, but it's a non-trival task to code up. A Google Summer of Student project could probably do it, but it's not a day or half-day project. If someone is interested in simulating a journal recovery in a true ro fashion, I'm happy to lay out the design for such a thing. Contact me if you're interested.... - Ted P.S. We can certainly add an alias so that ext4 understands norecovery much like XFS does. If we are going to standardize on a mount option, I'd agree that XFS's norecovery is probably a better choice than ext3/4's noload. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Theodore Tso <tytso@...> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:20:35AM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote: >> Ignoring computer forensics, with LVM snapshots, hardware raid array >> snapshots, etc. even in the presence of a dirty log, we need to be >> able to mount a drive in true read-only fashion fro many backup >> operations to function correctly. > > Can you go into more detail about "many backup operations"? One example is a hardware raid array that creates readonly snapshots or clones. (Lots of those exist in the real world). So the typical backup procedure is: ==== Queisce application (databases, etc. have utils to do this.) Queisce filesystem (xfs_freeze -f can be done from userspace. is there a ext4 util?) issue raid array command to create snapshot. release filesystem (xfs_freeze -u) release the app (util provided by app). Mount the snapshot readonly (true readonly with zero writes to the block device). Backup the readonly snapshot (to tape, etc.). === I believe XFS had 2 issues related to this process when first implemented in linux. 1) It required the UUID to be unique. Obviously in the above scenario it is not, so "mount -o nouuid" was added for xfs. 2) Journal replay was originally aways attempted in the above process, so the "mount -o norecovery" option was added to force a true readonly mount. ext4 may already support mounting of readonly clones, but if not it needs to before it will qualify as a data center ready filesystem. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer Preservation and Forensic processing of Exchange Repositories White Paper - <http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/tng_whitepaper_fpe.html> The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]On 2009-11-02, at 14:59, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> One example is a hardware raid array that creates readonly snapshots > or clones. (Lots of those exist in the real world). > > So the typical backup procedure is: > > ==== > Queisce application (databases, etc. have utils to do this.) > > Queisce filesystem (xfs_freeze -f can be done from userspace. is there > a ext4 util?) > > issue raid array command to create snapshot. > > release filesystem (xfs_freeze -u) > > release the app (util provided by app). > > Mount the snapshot readonly (true readonly with zero writes to the > block device). > > Backup the readonly snapshot (to tape, etc.). I thought Takashi Sato was working on allowing a filesystem freeze ioctl from userspace? This would hook into the filesystem-specific freeze code so that when the ioctl() returns the on-disk filesystem is fully consistent and does not even require journal replay. > I believe XFS had 2 issues related to this process when first > implemented in linux. > > 1) It required the UUID to be unique. Obviously in the above scenario > it is not, so "mount -o nouuid" was added for xfs. > > 2) Journal replay was originally aways attempted in the above process, > so the "mount -o norecovery" option was added to force a true readonly > mount. > > ext4 may already support mounting of readonly clones, but if not it > needs to before it will qualify as a data center ready filesystem. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Dilger Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2009-11-02, at 14:59, Greg Freemyer wrote: >> One example is a hardware raid array that creates readonly snapshots >> or clones. (Lots of those exist in the real world). >> >> So the typical backup procedure is: >> >> ==== >> Queisce application (databases, etc. have utils to do this.) >> >> Queisce filesystem (xfs_freeze -f can be done from userspace. is there >> a ext4 util?) >> >> issue raid array command to create snapshot. >> >> release filesystem (xfs_freeze -u) >> >> release the app (util provided by app). >> >> Mount the snapshot readonly (true readonly with zero writes to the >> block device). >> >> Backup the readonly snapshot (to tape, etc.). > > I thought Takashi Sato was working on allowing a filesystem freeze > ioctl from userspace? This would hook into the filesystem-specific > freeze code so that when the ioctl() returns the on-disk filesystem > is fully consistent and does not even require journal replay. That's in and done; most recent xfsprogs' xfs_freeze utility will even freeze non-xfs filesystems now :) Otherwise a wrapper utility around the ioctl would be trivial to write. >> I believe XFS had 2 issues related to this process when first >> implemented in linux. >> >> 1) It required the UUID to be unique. Obviously in the above scenario >> it is not, so "mount -o nouuid" was added for xfs. >> >> 2) Journal replay was originally aways attempted in the above process, >> so the "mount -o norecovery" option was added to force a true readonly >> mount. these days a frozen xfs fs should be consistent & not need replay. -Eric >> ext4 may already support mounting of readonly clones, but if not it >> needs to before it will qualify as a data center ready filesystem. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]On Mon, Nov 02, 2009 at 04:59:18PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> Queisce application (databases, etc. have utils to do this.) > > Queisce filesystem (xfs_freeze -f can be done from userspace. is there > a ext4 util?) > > issue raid array command to create snapshot. > > release filesystem (xfs_freeze -u) > > release the app (util provided by app). > > Mount the snapshot readonly (true readonly with zero writes to the > block device). > > Backup the readonly snapshot (to tape, etc.). This works today using ext4. The freeze ioctl quiesces the filesystem and leaves the journal in clean state, so there is no need for a journal replay. I take snapshots using LVM all the time. It's slightly more work if you are using a hardware raid array since you can't use a single integrated "lvcreate --snapshot" command, but should Just Work today. - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]On 2009-11-02, at 16:02, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> Andreas Dilger wrote: >> I thought Takashi Sato was working on allowing a filesystem freeze >> ioctl from userspace? This would hook into the filesystem-specific >> freeze code so that when the ioctl() returns the on-disk filesystem >> is fully consistent and does not even require journal replay. > > That's in and done; most recent xfsprogs' xfs_freeze utility will > even freeze non-xfs filesystems now :) Otherwise a wrapper utility > around the ioctl would be trivial to write. It probably makes sense to add a tune2fs option to freeze and unfreeze the filesystem? That would allow ext* users to have an available/documented command even if they don't have xfsprogs installed. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Dilger Sr. Staff Engineer, Lustre Group Sun Microsystems of Canada, Inc. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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Re: xt4 - True Readonly mount [WAS - Re: [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards]Andreas Dilger wrote:
> On 2009-11-02, at 16:02, Eric Sandeen wrote: >> Andreas Dilger wrote: >>> I thought Takashi Sato was working on allowing a filesystem freeze >>> ioctl from userspace? This would hook into the filesystem-specific >>> freeze code so that when the ioctl() returns the on-disk filesystem >>> is fully consistent and does not even require journal replay. >> That's in and done; most recent xfsprogs' xfs_freeze utility will >> even freeze non-xfs filesystems now :) Otherwise a wrapper utility >> around the ioctl would be trivial to write. > > > It probably makes sense to add a tune2fs option to freeze and unfreeze > the > filesystem? That would allow ext* users to have an available/documented > command even if they don't have xfsprogs installed. I'd rather see a simple tool in util-linux-ng since it's no longer fs-specific, rather than putting something in each filesystem's toolbox. However, the command is a little dangerous; you can lock up the machine by freezing the wrong filesystem at the wrong time... IO can stack up (nothing stops mmap writes yet, today) and the unfreeze may require memory, which may require writeback to ... the frozen filesystem.... In this case there is a fair bit of rope to hang oneself ;) -Eric -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@... More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html |
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