zen.spamhaus.org

[Rejaine Monteiro]

Hi

The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.

Somebody noticed some problem?

[Martin Hepworth-2]

Maybe you went over their acceptable use limit?

2009/3/31 Rejaine Monteiro <rejaine@...>:
> Hi
>
> The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.
>
> Somebody noticed some problem?
>
>



--
Martin Hepworth
Oxford, UK

[Noel Jones]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Rejaine Monteiro
<rejaine@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.
>
> Somebody noticed some problem?
>
>

list.dsbl.org has been dead for about a year.  You shouldn't be using
it.  Please see
http://www.dsbl.org

spamhaus will disable access if you exceed their volume limitations.  Please see
http://www.spamhaus.org/organization/dnsblusage.html

Spamhaus lists are effective enough that it's probably worth buying a data feed.

   -- Noel Jones

[Rejaine Monteiro]

Hi, thanks all for tips..

I wanted to say zen.spamhaus.org, only.  I don't use list.dsbl.org  a long time ago.. (wrong copy/paste)

I'll  see use limit  thing..

Thanks ...

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Rejaine Monteiro
rejaine@... wrote:
  

Hi

The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.

Somebody noticed some problem?


    

list.dsbl.org has been dead for about a year.  You shouldn't be using
it.  Please see
http://www.dsbl.org

spamhaus will disable access if you exceed their volume limitations.  Please see
http://www.spamhaus.org/organization/dnsblusage.html

Spamhaus lists are effective enough that it's probably worth buying a data feed.

   -- Noel Jones
  

[Curtis LaMasters]

Is there an easy way to tell how many times I'm querying their servers
from Spamassassin?  I doubt I'm any where near those numbers but it
would be nice to know.

Curtis LaMasters
http://www.curtis-lamasters.com
http://www.builtnetworks.com



On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Martin Hepworth <maxsec@...> wrote:

> Maybe you went over their acceptable use limit?
>
> 2009/3/31 Rejaine Monteiro <rejaine@...>:
>> Hi
>>
>> The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.
>>
>> Somebody noticed some problem?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Martin Hepworth
> Oxford, UK
>

[Michael Scheidell]

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Curtis LaMasters wrote:

Is there an easy way to tell how many times I'm querying their servers
from Spamassassin?  I doubt I'm any where near those numbers but it
would be nice to know.

  

look for 'dnstop'.

run it for a while

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[Rik-17]

On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 15:33 +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:

> Maybe you went over their acceptable use limit?
>
> 2009/3/31 Rejaine Monteiro <rejaine@...>:
> > Hi
> >
> > The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.
> >
> > Somebody noticed some problem?
> >
> >
>
>
>

That is possible - $pamhaus are all about the money and not much about
the spam. IMHO they happily take back handers to overlook dodgy activity
with 'favoured' hosts.

Use the Barracuda list - it's pretty aggressive and makes $pamhaus look
very lame indeed. In fact it laughs in their face. It came about when
$pamhaus tried to blackmail owners of a well known appliance into paying
for a feed. USE: b.barracudacentral.org.

It's known as $pamhaus... Those court cases and trips around the world
don't come for free and I have very little respect for them.

[Benny Pedersen]

On Tue, March 31, 2009 20:17, Rik wrote:
> It's known as $pamhaus... Those court cases and trips around the
> world don't come for free and I have very little respect for them.

#!/bin/sh
USE="-war" emerge bind

change resolv.conf to

nameserver 127.0.0.1


do you hate me ? :)))



--
http://localhost/ 100% uptime and 100% mirrored :)

[John Rudd]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:17, Rik <hlug090104@...> wrote:
>

[drivel about Spamhaus snipped]

>
> Use the Barracuda list - it's pretty aggressive [...] USE: b.barracudacentral.org.
>

What rate of false positives does it get?

What is the basis of being listed?

Does it have sub-lists to cover different listing criteria?

What is the method for getting removed?

Is there a mechanism for keeping local copies of the zone(s)?

[LuKreme]

On 31-Mar-2009, at 12:17, Rik wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 15:33 +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
>> Maybe you went over their acceptable use limit?
>>
>> 2009/3/31 Rejaine Monteiro <rejaine@...>:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.
>>>
>>> Somebody noticed some problem?

> That is possible - $pamhaus are all about the money and not much about
> the spam. IMHO they happily take back handers to overlook dodgy  
> activity
> with 'favoured' hosts.

Erm, wtf are you talking about?  Is this you just libeling spamhaus or  
do you have any evidence whatsoever of this?

> Use the Barracuda list - it's pretty aggressive and makes $pamhaus  
> look
> very lame indeed. In fact it laughs in their face. It came about when
> $pamhaus tried to blackmail owners of a well known appliance into  
> paying
> for a feed. USE: b.barracudacentral.org.

Um.. spamhaus charges for feeds for certain connection levels or for  
commercial use.  There is no blackmail.

Provide evidence or STFU.

--
...gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed
        the were not here,

[Martin Hepworth-2]

2009/3/31 Rik <hlug090104@...>:

>
> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 15:33 +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
>> Maybe you went over their acceptable use limit?
>>
>> 2009/3/31 Rejaine Monteiro <rejaine@...>:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.
>> >
>> > Somebody noticed some problem?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> That is possible - $pamhaus are all about the money and not much about
> the spam. IMHO they happily take back handers to overlook dodgy activity
> with 'favoured' hosts.
>
> Use the Barracuda list - it's pretty aggressive and makes $pamhaus look
> very lame indeed. In fact it laughs in their face. It came about when
> $pamhaus tried to blackmail owners of a well known appliance into paying
> for a feed. USE: b.barracudacentral.org.
>
> It's known as $pamhaus... Those court cases and trips around the world
> don't come for free and I have very little respect for them.
>
>
>

Err no.

spamhaus is great for low use. For high use they expect you to pay -
see the T&C's for use. Heck they gotta eat ya know.

As for the barracuda rbl...well didn't add any value for me when I ran
it for a couple of months. Scored spam with other tools and actually
caught a few FP's which is kinda what i see in their pay for product
at newplace of work. Basically not worth the bother IMHO

--
Martin Hepworth
Oxford, UK

[Rejaine Monteiro]

Owww..
I'm out of discussion about spamhaus vs barracuda, because IMHO, spamhaus do a great free service..
And here,  my problem had nothing to do with spamhaus or volume limitations,  but  just a internal problem in mailserver

*Michael Scheidell, thank you for dnstop tip.. (tis very cool)

(sorry my poor english)


Martin Hepworth escreveu:

2009/3/31 Rik hlug090104@...:
  

On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 15:33 +0100, Martin Hepworth wrote:
    

Maybe you went over their acceptable use limit?

2009/3/31 Rejaine Monteiro rejaine@...:
      

Hi

The zen.spamhaus.org  list.dsbl.org stops working here.

Somebody noticed some problem?


        

That is possible - $pamhaus are all about the money and not much about
the spam. IMHO they happily take back handers to overlook dodgy activity
with 'favoured' hosts.

Use the Barracuda list - it's pretty aggressive and makes $pamhaus look
very lame indeed. In fact it laughs in their face. It came about when
$pamhaus tried to blackmail owners of a well known appliance into paying
for a feed. USE: b.barracudacentral.org.

It's known as $pamhaus... Those court cases and trips around the world
don't come for free and I have very little respect for them.



    

Err no.

spamhaus is great for low use. For high use they expect you to pay -
see the T&C's for use. Heck they gotta eat ya know.

As for the barracuda rbl...well didn't add any value for me when I ran
it for a couple of months. Scored spam with other tools and actually
caught a few FP's which is kinda what i see in their pay for product
at newplace of work. Basically not worth the bother IMHO

  

[Mark-51]

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Hepworth [mailto:maxsec@...]
Sent: dinsdag 31 maart 2009 20:56
To: hlug090104@...
Cc: Rejaine Monteiro; Spamassassin list
Subject: Re: zen.spamhaus.org

> Err no.
>
> spamhaus is great for low use. For high use they expect you to pay -
> see the T&C's for use. Heck they gotta eat ya know.

Yeah, how very unreasonable of them. :) Like with anything, if you want to
make commercial use of (and off) it, just pay a fee.

> As for the barracuda rbl...well didn't add any value for me when I
> ran it for a couple of months. Scored spam with other tools and
> actually caught a few FP's which is kinda what i see in their pay
> for product at newplace of work. Basically not worth the bother IMHO

When someone tells me 'their' list is much more aggressive than spamhaus,
my first reaction is not: "Oh, coolie, more to block!" More like: "Another
one of those overly aggressive blocklists that in its rampant 'Off with
their heads' policy just renders itself pretty much useless." So, indeed,
thanks, but not no thanks.

- Mark

[Aaron Wolfe]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Mark <admin@...> wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Hepworth [mailto:maxsec@...]
> Sent: dinsdag 31 maart 2009 20:56
> To: hlug090104@...
> Cc: Rejaine Monteiro; Spamassassin list
> Subject: Re: zen.spamhaus.org
>
>> Err no.
>>
>> spamhaus is great for low use. For high use they expect you to pay -
>> see the T&C's for use. Heck they gotta eat ya know.
>
> Yeah, how very unreasonable of them. :) Like with anything, if you want to
> make commercial use of (and off) it, just pay a fee.
>
>> As for the barracuda rbl...well didn't add any value for me when I
>> ran it for a couple of months. Scored spam with other tools and
>> actually caught a few FP's which is kinda what i see in their pay
>> for product at newplace of work. Basically not worth the bother IMHO
>
> When someone tells me 'their' list is much more aggressive than spamhaus,
> my first reaction is not: "Oh, coolie, more to block!" More like: "Another
> one of those overly aggressive blocklists that in its rampant 'Off with
> their heads' policy just renders itself pretty much useless." So, indeed,
> thanks, but not no thanks.
>

Just my experience, but the barracuda list performs pretty well here
(we have just enough volume to be a paying subscriber to zen).  I
wouldn't call it more aggressive than zen necessarily.  They both have
an occasional FP, maybe slightly more from barracuda, but if your
scoring is good that almost never presents an issue.  Some of our
clients outright block using both.  I haven't had to deal with any
complaints due to either one in a very long time.

[Michael Scheidell]

>
> When someone tells me 'their' list is much more aggressive than spamhaus,
> my first reaction is not: "Oh, coolie, more to block!" More like: "Another
> one of those overly aggressive blocklists that in its rampant 'Off with
> their heads' policy just renders itself pretty much useless." So, indeed,
> thanks, but not no thanks.

My list beats them all, and its way more aggressive then barracuda.

Google for 'blocked.secnap.net' before being stupid enough to use it without
knowing exactly the criteria for entry into that list.
(but, if you use it, it will block 100% of all your spam.. And email)

>
> - Mark
>

--
Michael Scheidell, CTO
>|SECNAP Network Security
Finalist 2009 Network Products Guide Hot Companies
FreeBSD SpamAssassin Ports maintainer


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[Mark-51]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Hepworth [mailto:maxsec@...]
> Sent: dinsdag 31 maart 2009 20:56
> To: hlug090104@...
> Cc: Rejaine Monteiro; Spamassassin list
> Subject: Re: zen.spamhaus.org
>
> > When someone tells me 'their' list is much more aggressive than
> > spamhaus, my first reaction is not: "Oh, coolie, more to block!"
> > More like: "Another one of those overly aggressive blocklists that
> > in its rampant 'Off with their heads' policy just renders itself
> > pretty much useless." So, indeed, thanks, but not no thanks.
>
> Just my experience, but the barracuda list performs pretty well here
> (we have just enough volume to be a paying subscriber to zen). I
> wouldn't call it more aggressive than zen necessarily. They both have
> an occasional FP, maybe slightly more from barracuda, but if your
> scoring is good that almost never presents an issue. Some of our
> clients outright block using both. I haven't had to deal with any
> complaints due to either one in a very long time.

I've been reading up a bit on Barracuda et al, like:

http://www.email-ethics.com/2009/01/emailregorg-project.html
http://zacharyozer.blogspot.com/2008/10/worst-engineers-ever.html
http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/295

And now I'm even more convinced that I will not be using Barracuda. Sorry.

- Mark

[Rob McEwen]

Mark wrote:
> I've been reading up a bit on Barracuda et al, like:
>
> http://www.email-ethics.com/2009/01/emailregorg-project.html
> http://zacharyozer.blogspot.com/2008/10/worst-engineers-ever.html
> http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/295
>
> And now I'm even more convinced that I will not be using Barracuda. Sorry.

Mark,

Regarding that earlier point about DNSBLs which claim to be more
aggressive than SpamHaus... there are many IPs well deserving of being
on a blacklist which are either missed by SpamHaus, or not caught very
quickly by SpamHaus. Additionally, different DNSBLs use different
techniques and, therefore, no one DNSBL can do even close to everything.
However, it is true that *most* DNSBLs which claim to be
low-FP lists (and which block much spam missed by SpamHaus) have more
FPs than Zen--to varying degrees.

--
Rob McEwen
http://dnsbl.invaluement.com/
rob@...
[phone]

[LuKreme]

On 7-Apr-2009, at 08:39, Rob McEwen wrote:

> Mark wrote:
>> I've been reading up a bit on Barracuda et al, like:
>>
>> http://www.email-ethics.com/2009/01/emailregorg-project.html
>> http://zacharyozer.blogspot.com/2008/10/worst-engineers-ever.html
>> http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/295
>>
>> And now I'm even more convinced that I will not be using Barracuda.  
>> Sorry.
>
> Regarding that earlier point about DNSBLs which claim to be more

How about the 3rd post that exposes barracuda as a money-grubbing  
racketeering operation?

"Barracuda own and operate emailreg.org, although there is no mention  
of this on the emailreg.org site, and the whois data is obscured.

Indeed the owners of emailreg.org have gone to a lot of trouble to  
hide who they are, which would be illegal for a UK operated website of  
this type."

Stay away. Stay far away.

--
There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don t
        know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases
        want to be president.

[LuKreme]

On 7-Apr-2009, at 13:30, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> ...apparently, not enough trouble:

Yep, they were found out via DNS.  It is Their whois data that is  
obfuscated

Domain Name:EMAILREG.ORG
Created On:12-Apr-2008 21:40:49 UTC
Last Updated On:02-Apr-2009 18:45:33 UTC
Expiration Date:12-Apr-2010 21:40:49 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:94adaac5a507a44d
Registrant Name:Whois  Agent
Registrant Organization:Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.

and there is nothing on the websites that gives any information on  
them being related.

Either way, they've showed themselves to me to be little different  
than the spammer scum. I'd be seriously tempted to blacklist anyone  
stupid enough to use the barracuda RBL.

--
Can I tell you the truth? I mean this isn't like TV news, is it?

[Rob McEwen]

LuKreme wrote:
> How about the 3rd post that exposes barracuda as a money-grubbing
> racketeering operation?
> "Barracuda own and operate emailreg.org, although there is no mention
> of this on the emailreg.org site, and the whois data is obscured.
> Indeed the owners of emailreg.org have gone to a lot of trouble to
> hide who they are, which would be illegal for a UK operated website of
> this type."
> Stay away. Stay far away.

I had no idea that emailreg.org was owned and operated by Barracuda. I
thought they were two separate entities. (though I did have my
suspicions about that relationship)

But, as the post you mentioned said, emailreg.org resolves to
64.235.146.64 and arin.net shows that 64.235.146.64 is clearly in
Barracuda's assigned address space. I'll tell you right now... this is
BIG and EASY money. Very BIG and very EASY money. I suspect they are
pulling in hundreds... maybe even thousands... of those $20 payments per
day.

If there is just 150 of these per business day, they've already cleared
a million $$ per year. Maybe there aren't that many?...but I suspect
that this number might be closer to a thousand per day, which would be
into the tens of millions of dollars per year.

(if I seem upset about this... read between the lines... and you might
understand why)

--
Rob McEwen
http://dnsbl.invaluement.com/
rob@...
[phone]